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Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:48am On Mar 21, 2023
orisa37:
GOOD AND EVIL EXIST IN GOD. THAT'S WHY HE'S THE SUPREME SPIRIT.
So yahweh is evil, right?
Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:47am On Mar 21, 2023
imagrg:
God created man and gave him an option: Either to do good or embrace evil and die spiritually.

Good and evil are man's intent that is a consequence of the free-will man is subject to.

To do good is to adhere to the Supreme Will of God. To do evil therefore is a deviation from God's Will and plan for man.

It is man's inclination to evil while appears more alluring that destroys man and subjects him to eternal damnation.
Again, y'all should stop derailing. Read the topic and look at your response. Are they related? Topic says yahweh didn't create evil and we debunked it. Now you're posting something irrelevant
Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:45am On Mar 21, 2023
correctguy101:
Who, what, where, and when. cool
Bro so you are saying evil may be good depending on contexts, just to defend your god?
Lol. Chrissies are funny
Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:44am On Mar 21, 2023
TenQ:
You mention them if you know!
Some of the names of Allah is exactly like that of satan the deceiver!
We're talking about yahweh here. Quit derailing
Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:43am On Mar 21, 2023
advocatejare:
Did I respond to you, the person I responded to does not worship Yahweh, he worships Allah and Allah is guilty of what he was accusing Yahweh of.

To you, stop interfering in what you know nothing about before you carry load wey no be your own!
Again I say, we're not talking about Allah here. Create a topic about Allah, and we can happily jump on his back. This one is about Yahweh.
And please I need those loads youre talking about. I need to exercise my back grin
Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 3:41am On Mar 21, 2023
tctrills:
No I am saying God did not make evil. Evil and Good are eternal. None was created
Did you read that verse in Isaiah or you like most chrissies have tunnel vision?
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 3:30am On Mar 21, 2023
FxMasterz:
If we want to start talking about dates, that's a different topic entirely. The current discussion is not in your favour so you shifted the goalpost to date anomalies. Meanwhile, you and I know that no one can be perfectly correct about dates. We can only approximate and yet in the approximations, there's never a guarantee.

I don't want to engage in fruitless arguments just for the sake of it. It's just another way of wasting time with folks who are totally sold out to their own biases. I have better things to do with my time. I'll rather engage in things that edify my spirit than waste time on useless arguments to no profit. It wouldn't end, it's endless argument.

The more you write, the more I counteract you and vice versa. So, I'll just ignore. We can argue on other topics later on. I'll stop wheh I have already driven home my points. I've done that here already, so bye, except you want to be arguing with yourself.
Translation
I give up, these facts are getting too much for me.


Anyway, have a nice day. Next time you wanna argue with atheists, try and be properly prepared, else you'll be eaten alive. Ciao
Christianity Etc › Re: by jaephoenix(m): 3:25am On Mar 21, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:
Even from his face we can see that he is unhappy and dead!

Cursed are all homosexuals and atheists whether hiding in a place called church or not!
Lawag3
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Paid The Price. I Refunded Him. Now I Sin. by jaephoenix(m): 3:24am On Mar 21, 2023
Image123:
Jesus loves you, repent.
Have you repented
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:36pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Physical reality is different from spiritually reality. I have spiritual reality as well as physical reality. You have none.
The problem with 'spiritual' reality, is everyone has their own version, its not universal. Put 3 christians in a room and ask them about a particular 'spiritual' reality and you'll have 4 versions. So no, I won't believe your 'spiritual' reality, thank you.
I'll stick with the physical reality which is universal, transparent, irrefutable etc.
Like a black car. Its a black car in Nigeria and UK, and would remain a black car in 10 years
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:30pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
They're not just dead people but dead nations. Are you looking for testifiers among dead nations?
No. Again your point?
You brought the point about those testifiers, not me
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:28pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
A more honorable person would have made a more noble response after I argued that the existence of the legend itself is confirmation and that the Bible painted more details about it.

You should go and ask the writers of the article to examine how the black sea flood covering an area of 150,000 square kilometers could suggest evidence for the Noah flood. At least you know better than those archeologists who made the deduction. Am I the writer of the article?
Have you heard of news sensationalism? grin
Have you clicked on a link based on its topic and found nothing or nothing much related to it?
Its just to draw traffic. Nothing in that post showed evidence of Noah Ark or flood
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:26pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
If you're a honourable man, you wouldn't start talking about years when we're talking about floods.
The years is what is used to date floods
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:24pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Chai!

They agreed that a catastrophic event must have happened with the dating of that event going back to about 5,000 BC which is about the same time as the flood of Noah according to the article.

That's further buttresses by the the opinion that says the witnesses of that catastrophic event must have passed down the story to their descendants. They believe that this stories so passed down by the survivors could have influenced the biblical stories of Noah. What could be clearer than this?

We know that the biblical story wasn't influenced externally. It was a divine revelation to Moses. The event was vividly described.

If Noah's flood really happened, then there should be legends preceding the biblical account. If there are no such legends, then the biblical account could be faulted.

The fact that survivors have their own side of the story passed down apart from the Biblical account gives credence to the biblical account. The biblical account provided fuller details so much so that a date could be fixed for the event.

Now, if there are no such legends, atheists would be the first to ask why it is that only the Bible is talking about an event that happened to everybody? Now that there are references to it in other cultures, they've got to change the narrative to ',it could be infiuenced'. They can't even talk in absolutes. Whatever the Bible claims, it does so in absolutes. There's no 'it, may', 'it could' nonesense in any biblical position.
Survivors? I thought nobody survived the flood, except Noah and his crew? Lol
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:21pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
How can anyone say some floods are the flood of Noah? The said they found evidences that suggest that Noah's flood happened.
Can you copy paste the passage that alludes to that, sir? cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:19pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
The bolded was a Digression in the article referencing what others said. Read objectively with no bias. The writer of the article was pointing out that judging from recent discoveries, the fliood story might be true, and that there's a researcher who is hoping to find something bigger that could ultimately confirm the flood story.
So did this researcher find what he was looking for? grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:16pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
The writer wrote for the topic and not against the topic.

That 'enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea' is what you would fail to see.

No one can unearth flood, whether recent or ancient. What you can see are clues that suggested a flood Happened. And that's exactly what the article set out to achieve. To give us pointers. Rather than argue with me, you'll do well to go argue with the writer against his topic.
All that article was talking about Ballard and his team trying to see if Noah's Ark or the global flood happened. If you had read through to the end, you'd have seen where he confessed his failure. Go on, read. Its good for your mental growth cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:13pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Go back and read. They never said it was a local flood, did they? There were examples of local floods in the article. The title of the article itself says Evidence that Noah's flood Happened. You guys love deceiving yourselves.
Lol, they said it was a local flood.
Don't worry, I highlighted the excerpts that described it as local in case you have reading disabilities. Do well to read my post this time cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:09pm On Mar 20, 2023
Continuation…

He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."

Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history.

Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.

"If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened," said Karen Armstrong, author of "A History of God." "But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that."

Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, Armstrong believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us "about our predicament in the world now."

Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.

"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."

At first Ballard's team found piles of ancient pottery, but then they made an even more important discovery. Last year, Ballard discovered a vessel and one of its crew members in the Black Sea.

"That is a perfectly preserved ancient shipwreck in all its wood, looks like a lumber yard," he said. "But if you look closely, you will see the femur bone and actually a molar."

The shipwreck was in surprisingly good condition, preserved because the Black Sea has almost no oxygen in it, which slows down the process of decay, but it does not date back as far as the story of Noah.

"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."

Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.

Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 8:06pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
That yoruba story position is your opinion.

There are many such legends. I wouldn't bother myself with them because they still wouldn't profit you.

There's an ongoing archeological effort in the black sea. You may want to read about it through the link below:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story%3fid=17884533

Science generally is on shifting grounds. You can die today hanging your life on the current scientific knowledge or findings. After your death, science would find new things and therefore change position. Meanwhile, you're already a loser.
It looks like you don't read your links through before hurriedly dumping them here, thinking we're your regular dumb theists. Just like your last link you dropped about Moses and it turned out to prove you wrong.

If you had read through this link, you wouldn't have dumped it here. I read this years ago when I was researching Noah. Look at this…

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.


"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.

"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."

The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.

Noah is described in the Bible as a family man, a father of three, who is about to celebrate his 600th birthday.

"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that. So sometimes those large numbers, I think, also serve to reinforce the mystery of the text."

Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.


"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive


To be continued…
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:52pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Tell me whether I mentioned flood in relation to the Yorubas. I only mentioned the name Noah, and you and I know who Noah is.

The Yoruba flood story would be very distorted if there's any, so any reference to that is useless.

Stories become more and more distorted as they age. The only thing you can get from a story of over 5,000yrs is a clue and nothing more then that.
Lies. Dinosaurs, pyramids etc predated your buybull
Enough of these lies, already
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:50pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Many bro. Even the Yoruba has a culture of calling someone with a noble character 'Omoluabi' which is a compressed form of the sentence 'Omo ti Noah bi' which means a descendant of Noah.

People like us should not be making absolute statements on events that happened 5,000 yrs ago. It's unwise. Even if we depend on what archeology has found today, do we know what archeology may find tomorrow? Archeology would still make discoveries after we ate long dead.
Lies. I scoured the internet for all the possible meanings of Omoluabi and it means the[i] child begotten by the chief of iwa. [/i]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omoluwabi
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:47pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
There's falsehood in your statement Cultures holding on to the flood story ate not necessarily situated in proximity to large bodies of water. There are cultures alien to the Bible, whom Moses never knew about, who have references to the man Noah.

These event happened about 5,000 yrs ago. That time the study could only be passed down orally since books were not yet invented. Oral stories would definitely become nyths to people who lives 5,000 yrs after the actual events. But the fact that the story is present in extra-, biblical legends and cultures that are virtually unknown to each other is a pointer to the fact that such a tragedy took place.

Your Nile River refutation stands on a faulty premise.
Those cultures copied from the Mesopotamian flood which predated the Bible(and Moses)
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:44pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
After you must have proven that He doesn't.
He who alleges must prove
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:43pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
This response is illogical. We were talking about a global flood.
All those accounts you were talking about were local floods. Besides, how can they be talking about they same flood as in the bible if they supposedly died in that flood?
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:41pm On Mar 20, 2023
[quote author=FxMasterz post=121896160][/quote]Floods happened in many cultures. Not one, not two. Many floods. If they ask you how many floods have happened in Nigeria, can you count them?
Besides, the flood in the bible was supposed to be global, unlike those other cultural myths and histories
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:39pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
If there has never been a flood, why would the story be found in other cultures?
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Remember that, story telling predates book writing. The only way people could pass information to the next generation is by telling stories which could later on be regarded as myths to those who were born thousands of years later.

The Bible gives better clarifications of the story than what those cultures present. In the Bible we have the full details of the event.

First tell me what science must find to prove a flood. The Bible recorded that before the time of the flood, there never had been a rainfall. Grasses were watered by mists. So, let's know the evidence that science wants to see. Is it the ark of Noah that was made of wood? Do you expect such an ark to survive after 5,000 years?

The name Noah is present in some cultures that never read the Bible, and were virtually unknown to Moses.

The fact that there are stories of the flood in more ancient cultures is in itself a proof and not a refutation.
1. Did you even read my link? If you did, you'd have seen where the bible copied its flood story. And not just that, it also copied the concept of creation,jesus crucifixion, virgin birth etc. How do I know the bible copied? Because those Epic of Gilgamesh scrolls(specifically the Mesopotamian flood) predates the bible. Many other religions copied too.
2. And if you have been reading my posts, you'd have seen where I said some events or phenomena that predated the bible like Pyramids etc have been found and dated. These are relative dates of some civilizations
No religious texts or myths are trustworthy enough for considering as historical facts. Here are some basic time estimates that would explain the span of civilization.

[b]2000 years ago: Bible was written
2650 years ago: Greeks & Romans adopted the Semitic Phoenician alphabet and started writing
3000 years ago: Old testament was written
4000 years ago: Hieroglyph writing and the Luwian / Hittite civilizations in current Turkiye
4500 years ago: Hieroglyph writing in Egypt, leading to Semitic alphabets and eventually to the current Latin alphabet we all use.
5000 years ago: Chinese, Indian, Egyptian civilizations started
5000 years ago: First transport wheels, laws, taxes, soap, glass (Mesopotamia)
5300 years ago: Stone Age ends, Bronze Age starts (based on Levant)
5500 years ago: Horse domestication started in Kazakhstan
5500 years ago: FIRST WRITING (cuneiform) & MATHS (arithmetic, algebra, geometry) generated in Mesopotamia, led to serious architecture like the Pyramids (Egypt) & Ur Ziggurat (Iraq), Astronomy & Calendar (Babylonians)
6000 years ago: The year Bible says the humanity was born.
6000 years ago: First sailing boats by Egyptians, made of reeds
6500 years ago: Sumerian civilization started in Mesopotamia
7000 years ago: Potter’s wheel (Mesopotamia)
7500 years ago: Settlements of Istanbul, Mersin, İzmir, Konya, Adana (Turkiye), Aleppo (Syria), Nineveh (Iraq)
9000 years ago: First settlements in Alashiya (Cyprus), Jeitun (Turkmenistan) and Faiyum (Egypt)
10,000 years: First agriculture & animal farming in Mesopotamia
11,000 years: Settlements in Jericho (Palestine) with the oldest known protective walls, and in Jbeil (Byblos, Lebanon)
12,000 years: Göbeklitepe settlements (Turkiye)
15,000 years: Asians discovered America; horses discovered Asia, and later went extinct in America
20,000 years: Oldest pottery (China)
30,000 years: Oldest ceramic figurine (Czechia)
32,500 years: Oldest known star chart
40,000 years: Oldest figurine, made of mammoth ivory (Germany)
45,000 years: Earliest human remains in Europe (Bulgaria)
200.000 years: The earliest known date Homo Sapiens left Africa
300,000 years: Genetic evidence for early Homo sapiens admixture to Neanderthals in todays Turkiye
300,000 years: Oldest known remains of anatomically modern humans (Morocco)
2,000,000 years: Earliest hand made stone tools found.[/b]

https://moreesemadu.com/ancient-texts-before-the-bible/

https://historycollection.com/20-biblical-traditions-heavily-influenced-by-other-ancient-cultures/


3. Noah is present in all the Abrahamic religions eg christianity, judaism and Islam. And they copied each other.
It also appears in other cultures but different ancestors
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:24pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Where are those people today? That's my question.
Dead. Your point?
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:24pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Using a question to answer a question. I know where He resides.
Where? Oh, I forgot in your mind. Same shit psychotics tells me
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:23pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
According to you. Can you prove that?
Can tou prove the red wicked unicorn exists?
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:22pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Are you the reality?
Reality is what anyone can see and attest to its existence. Your daddy didn't write nothing
Christianity Etc › Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 7:21pm On Mar 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
According to you.
Where did he write something?

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