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Aemmyjah:
Who said demons are responsible for diseases?
Your pastor really did a bad job and that's why you're acting based on the ignorance he fed you

Jesus Heals a Boy with an Unclean Spirit

[b]Mark 9
14 And when they came to the disciples, they saw a great crowd around them, and scribes arguing with them. 15 And immediately all the crowd, when they saw him, were greatly amazed and ran up to him and greeted him. 16 And he asked them, “What are you arguing about with them?” 17 And someone from the crowd answered him, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, for he has a spirit that makes him mute. 18 And whenever it seizes him, it throws him down, and he foams and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. So I asked your disciples to cast it out, and they were not able.” 19 And he answered them, “O faithless generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to me.” 20 And they brought the boy to him. And when the spirit saw him, immediately it convulsed the boy, and he fell on the ground and rolled about, foaming at the mouth. 21 And Jesus asked his father, “How long has this been happening to him?” And he said, “From childhood. 22 And it has often cast him into fire and into water, to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.” 23 And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.” 24 Immediately the father of the child cried out[d] and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!” 25 And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” 26 And after crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, “He is dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he arose. 28 And when he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, “Why could we not cast it out?” 29 And he said to them, “This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer[/b]

Also demonic possession has various manifestations according to your buybull, which include: muteness (Matt 9:32; 12:22; Mark 9:17,25; Luke 11:14); deafness (Mark 9:25); blindness (Mat 12:22; John 10:21); convulsions (Mark 1:26; 9:26); superhuman strength (Mark 5:4); and self-destructive behaviour (Mat 17:15). The NT does not separate the actions of the person from those of the demon. Physical changes such as masochism (Mark 5:5) and an unnatural voice (Mark 5:7) are understood as the demon’s control of the individual.
But these days we now know the causes of these diseases and not the bullshit swirling in your buybull.
Obviously you don't read your bible. You spend more time gobbling up Watchtower bullshit

Dtruthspeaker:
A man is known by the abundance of his words. I do know everybody as soon as they start talking for more than 3 minutes. "From the abundance of the heart, the mouth must always speak!"



In the end you proved I was right in knowing you and that it is about the fact that God did not hear nor answer you.

And so, I can authoritatively tell you that you went about it the Wrong Way!

The way devils (and maybe some innocently) had laid for you.

Bet they did not show you this Law for you to study and be an expert in it

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever."

In combination with this popular one Proverbs 1

23. Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

They rather lied to you and told that "The Lord loves you and will always hear you"

So, it is not God's fault BUT YOUR FAULT, for He definitely Spoke to you but you discarded it and did not listen preferring to heed to the words of men like you.

Now you are shouting "use your brain up and down" but you did not use it when reading the Bible or thinking about what those devils in your life was telling you. And now God is gone from you, FOREVER.

Hence, your hot lamentations! Too bad, you should have used your brain when you used to read the Bible.

So his prayers weren't answered cos he went about it the wrong way? Cool.
Why were the prayers of millions of Israelis that were murdered by Hitler ignored? What about the prayers of millions of hungry children dying from sickness and hunger? They all went about it the wrong way?

Dtruthspeaker:
Invalid! Switch of burden of proof is not allowed! So you have no thing here.



Invalid! What I said is clearly written and you responded to it with an invalid argument, hence, no point, for it clearly means that you have had no reasonable counter to make.



Invalid! It was only God, The God of Israel, Whom you were attacking, so. You had nothing here.



Then you ain't seen the mannequins neurosurgeons use. . You are an automated mannequin, that is what you are. Deal with it.



The Bible did not say "economic crises", it did better than that.

It was very specific which economic crisis was to come saying "hardness of buying and selling" Which we have all seen that it has come to pass, so you really do not have any valid thing to say.

At the bolded, can you enlighten us on the mannequins neurosurgeons use?
And why isn't the world experiencing this hardness in buying and selling ? Did the Bible know a country called Nigeria would come into existence?

FRANCISTOWN:
I swr, right! That was some really ass truth you've said. They've been gaslighted into believing that anyone who is not a theist is an automatic spawn of Satan. Well, whether a spawn of God, or spawn of Satan, neither of them exists so we can't be bothered. You don't wanna know how much I hide my atheism, these guys can assassinate an atheist if they knew any face to face. As you've said up there, it may take some years, but we'll keep pushing.

I had a gf(when I was single). We dey run all sorts. Name it… threesomes, strip clubs etc. Once I told her I'm an atheist, that was the end

Dliquidmetal:
this is what scares me(fact that someone could actually get killed for something as stupid as fairytale believes)but also it sheds light on the mechanism and psychology behind most religions and how they have been designed from the get go

They have an hive mentality sorta and if you happen to stand out,they won't be at peace until you are dead or gone far away from them.
Religion makes good people do bad things and they would even be able to justify it.

To me all these obviously shows that men created god/gods and not the other way round,they protect their individual gods from criticism,they speak for their gods and even take revenge on its behalf,they literally do everything for their gods but still claim these gods are "powerful" lol quite ironic.


One of the reasons I enjoy my career path is that even if I boldly come out as an atheist tomorrow it won't affect my finance but surely ill lose friends and maybe family but my fiance no fit shake because I work from home and I don't have a boss and I don't need clients.

Your own better. If I have a hospital and then boldly declare myself atheistic, you'll see how even patients in ICU would be scared of you touch them. Out patients would point at your hospital and say 'Na cultist get this one oh, dem go use you do jazz'
Its counterproductive. Not worth the risk. Better keep a low profile

Kobojunkie:
You need to read the book. Most of you never actually read the book for yourselves. No, you instead subsisted then, and now, on the narratives fed to you by your many pastors and mogs while under their spell. Even long after supposedly breaking away from the spell that is religion, the majority of you on here who claim to be atheists continue to repeat the very same doctrines and delusions out of ignorance. Why? Aren't you supposed to be enlightened then?

The book clearly explains the various dimensions that exist to God's mercy, His omnipotence, etc. Yes, there are dimensions to these things in scripture. You actually need to spend some time reading it to realize it for yourself. At least so you can sound less ignorant than the religious folks you think yourselves better than.

What is the definition of omnipotence? And what do you mean by dimensions of omnipotence?

LottiOk:
U had me all in stiches with dat election prophecy las las dia almighty, ominikwnoest god still disappointed dem (yet again) d saddest part is 2moro dey'll b in its shrines (churches) thankning it 4 it's "mysterious ways" of not answering dia fasting & prayers

It's normal. Theist logic is a wonderful idea

Dtruthspeaker:
When someone writes his own biography they say it is called an Autobiography

And a person is always present when he writes his own Autiobiography

And it must be in present tenses which when a reader reads it , it is a present continuous tense.

Good. So is the buybull an autobiography?

Dtruthspeaker:
Invalid! Unlawful Switching of the burden of proof and Change of Post
No one said anything about spaghetti monster.

Meaning you can not counter.



Invalid! Change of Post! No one said anything about benevolence and omnibenevolence. Another proof you can not counter.



Invalid! Unlawful Switching of the burden of proof. Neither have I raised a thread complaining about Krishna and Allah.

So, yet again, you have no counter to make.



Like you would go to a meeting of mannequins to prove yourself to them, even children's open day in school, you people do not go saying "you don't have any thing to prove", you now expect God would prove Himself to you living plastacines.



You people do not real eyes that this is a written debate and we can see and hear your shouts of complaint and easily show where you are making noises complaining. I even showed it then.



You have nothing.



You have already said it "If God truly exist, you are in soup".

So it's a case of wait and see and unfortunately for you people, God said there would be hardness of buying and selling, before His Coming, and now Nigeria has undisputably experienced it, so you guys are already in hot trouble, and obviously, He would soon be Here.

So we wait and we shall see.

In the buybull, Yahweh was proving himself. Showing up to back Elisha against Baal's prophets, speaking one on one with guys, even walking with them. Suddenly, dude became shy of his creations. Not keeping up appearances. What's happened?

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol, This is very correct
There is a name they call that state of mental attitude in psychology. But let's not sound offensive

Dogmatism

Dtruthspeaker:
At least you have now abandoned the Ephesians and Phil, you raised

So Exodus and Leviticus.
The whole world practiced slavery and so they had already taken slaves and used to having slaves before God came to meet them exactly as Africa was already used to having more than one wife before God was introduced to us and now having one wife is part of our living.

So this is God laying the first form of attack against slavery BY RELEASING ALL SLAVES WHO HAVE BEEN TAKEN BEFORE HIS COMING, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE TIME OF THE JUDGES, YOU DO NOT SEE ANY SLAVE AROUND, ONLY CONTRACTS OF SERVICE, HENCE SERVANTS LIKE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

On Jeremiah i stand corrected, Isreal like the world never always obey God, but you still prove that God loves the release of slaves in that it is always "To the Hebrew first"

Romans 1:16; Luke 24:47; Romans 2:9.

Everything whether good or bad first starts with the Hebrews first..

All extensively dealt with in my thread

https://www.nairaland.com/7593172/eternal-synagogue-civilized-atheist-movement#121400778

And what did we tell you there? Slaves were still in existence during New Testament. There are many evidences of it. But of course, you don't care. You already have your own version of the buybull(different from the regular versions) written in your head

FRANCISTOWN:
Hmmm
. This is true, I also believe poverty and level of civilisation is a major detriment. People are looking for one powerful inexistent being to magically raise them out of poverty, so it's truly hard

Yeah. That's why I said wrong timing. Maybe in 50 years time when there are significantly more atheists, and religion is ebbing away

Aemmyjah:
Based on conviction
Yours is on speculation
Exercise patience til they come up with how man came to be, why man is here and where he is going

These are important questions that science and philosophy can NEVER answer but thankfully, the source of life has provided answers to life big questions. The blind cannot see though they have eyes

Lol. Conviction on a myth?
Can you convince a Muslim/Hindu that your own fairy tale is better than his?

Aemmyjah:
See reasoning
Where do you get that reasoning from? You have drank weed
Convince us that life is a result of blind chance

We may not have convincing evidence. But the evidence youre showing us doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all

FRANCISTOWN:
You are definitely right, I just wish there can be schools for atheists in Nigeria. But that will take a while, well I'll be sure to train my children well. Again, you are sipping your white wine

That 'school' would get burned real quick. When fighting atheists, all the threats(christians, Muslims etc) gang up. So you have already lost the battle before you start

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't bother, you are already useless, There is nothing redeemable not repairable in you or on you, for you are already blind and deaf.

I expected this

Dtruthspeaker:
Here comes a devil who says thathouseboys/girls, cleaners, personal assistants should not obey their bosses and employers.

Those aint slaves. Slaves work under strenuous conditions, don't have remunerations and can be maltreat or even killed by their masters. These category of workers have those attributes.
Talk another lie

AbdulMagaji:
But most renowned physicists are astrologers

Names, sire

Eviana:
My "no-nonsense/trouble" attitude...lol.
Not trying to be rude, or nasty.
You know it sometimes becomes necessary to use wisdom when deciding to engage in certain things and other things not so much.

He absolutely knows that the God of Abraham gives mankind nothing but "free-will" based out of nothing but pure love. Mr. Phoenix just wants to be an agitator.
So it then becomes my decision on how I want to respond.
He's on my prayer list though....as well as for individual hearts of Nigerians to surrender & return to the Lord.
You will make a difference, the Lord willing, if you honor and keep Him first.

If you say so
Yahweh doesn't give freewill. Its just like somebody telling you to choose between vanilla or pistachio flavors, but warns you that his vanilla is poisoned. What would you choose?

AbdulMagaji:
Are you aware that most world renowned physicists are astrologers?

Examples

FarmTech:
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I can sense your no-wahala attitude .
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To the Op, I'm really ashame of Africa oo. Students are trying but our leaders and rich men aren't. In advanced countries, you will see people donating huge amount of money for research support. You hardly see that in Africa. Even if it happens some people will squander the money.
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There was one NL guy that built a rocket engine. I contacted him and one of the things he told me was that he did it for a government institution and the government gave them lots of money to continue the research. But guess what happened. They started fighting over the money, killing themselves oo. The guy just leave them and ran for his life. How can such a people progress? I pray that I and others like me will make a difference.
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Least I forgot. Africa will rather spend huge amount of money on immoral shows like BBN or BB Titan.
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And I forgot to say: Yes, all men were created by God, the father of Jesus Christ.

Western countries spend on 'immorality' and still spend on research.
And no, Yahweh doesn't exist thus couldn't have created anyone

AbdulMagaji:
Categorized as physicists?

Physicists are scientists. Astrologers aint

Lawag3:
Right now yeah we are increasing but wait till homosexuality is now in a majority it may soon be that way because the LGBTQ society are trying to indoctrinated children through movies and books

You know that some disease spread more quickly among homosexuals

In history civilizations like Rome the Greeks you might say homosexuality wasn't the cause of their downfall. Well you're right physically it wasn't spiritually it was. Like in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah the people didn't know that spiritually they have been mark for destruction physically it could have been a meteorite that wipe them out but it still doesn't change the fact that Thier destruction has be decided spiritually the spiritual controls the physical

1. Define 'indoctrination'? Now apply it to your narrative and see if it makes sense. Remember they are not telling the kids to be gay. They are simply telling them not to be homophobic ie don't attack or kill any homos. That's all. Go ahead and be straight but leave the gays alone
2. Are lesbians homosexuals too? If so, what disease spread quickly amongst them?
3. If you're gonna talk spiritual bullshit (that cannot be ascertained or confirmed), please check the next landfill. Thank you

Lawag3:
Homosexual can't reproduce so the workforce of a country reduced

Many diseases spread among homosexuals

Although you might not believe it but there are spiritual repercussions

Homosexuality is always a precursor to the death of a civilization

1. When Africa was replete with homosexuals, did our workforce reduce?
2. There's no specific disease that is spread through homosexuality, and in fact, lesbians spread STDs less than their straight counterparts
3. And no, I don't believe in spiritual. Its a huge pile of bullshit and you know it
4. Civilizations thrived with homosexuals, in fact we had homosexual kings in Africa
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE INTERFACING WITH ME

Lawag3:
I never said homosexuals were bad anybody can be bad gay or straight homosexuality is what I have a problem with it's unnatural and it doesn't add to society it takes from it.

What do you mean homosexuality is unnatural and what does it take from the society?

Lawag3:
I don't know where this question is leading to but do you believe that genetic engineering is unnatural that is tempering with the natural order changing some characteristics that normally will be there improving a characteristic. Nature has a way of doing things sometimes it isn't what we humans want so we temper with it change it to suit our taste. So to your question I have never thought it to be unnatural but I do know some bananas are forced to ripe before their due date others are injected to make them grow bigger.

That's not what he's saying

Lawag3:
Yeah but the science isn't stable yet still got a long way to go before it is main stream

It is actually mainstream. Its the same tech we used in producing cloned animals and cloned meat, which is sold in fast food outlets for years. The problem is ethical and religious issues raised by governing bodies and religious bodies, who feel humans are playing god.
This stem cell tech can also help us defeat plaguing diseases like sickle cell, diabetes etc

Lawag3:
I know that. You know what I also know is that these possibilities might just remain possibilities not reality.

They have been successful.
I'm sure you know of Dolly the sheep. Read her up
There has been other successes since then

Lawag3:
I never said that male and female animals can't reproduce. asexual organisms also reproduce using the male and female gametes not male and male or female and female gametes.

I'm talking all-male or all-female species. That is a species that comprises of only females, giving birth to new offsprings like that New Mexico whiptail lizards

Lawag3:
You should know that Parthenogenesis is impossible in humans a human child needs half chromosomes from both his parents to be human

And in Parthenogenesis sperm doesn't fertilize sperm an unfertilized egg only develop into an embryo and it only happens to lower life forms it can't happen among mammals.

So my point still stands since sperm can't fertilize sperm Homosexuality is unnatural.

1. You're now shifting the goalpost, you didn't mention mammals or humans, you're talking about fertilization without sperm. Now you have been caught by the balls, you're recanting dishonestly
2. Actually parthenogenesis happens in humans
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14819982-300-the-boy-whose-blood-has-no-father/
… and mammals
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/parthenogenesis-has-been-achieved-in-mammals-for-the-first-time

So you need to get your shit right

MaxInDHouse:
Reports you said so you can't expect a JW to testify against such a person when only what we have is REPORT not what we saw!

That's the reason behind all the accusations you've been hearing all these while. People like you feel a JW should testify against fellow JWs in court when we aren't eyewitnesses!

Lemme break it down cos I see you're playing an ostrich.
A particular JW has been accused of mol@station several times by minors, and is reported to the elders. But there are no eye witness. Now he is accused one more time, and this time the case is before the authorities. Now during police investigation ,the elders are asked if the accused has been accused of such crimes before. But they deny it(or refuse to comment)
What do you think is the problem in the above scenario?

Hashabiah:
Don't be daft . Scientists can be biased and this has been proven through out history . One fine example will the Louis Pasteur. Kindly read up on him and see

2. Democrats are highly funded by LGBTQ communities and this is a fact you can check . In fact Biden and Nancy Pelosi openly stated this in their speeches on the day they were sworn in .

3. Like I said earlier, science doesn't say anything ; it is scientists that do . And any fool with a bias can put data on the internet space and call it factual, but reality and science will say things completely opposite the data . For example , scientific data analysis in 2020 showed that the streets of Africa will be filled with dead bodies due to covid , but the findings turned out to be less than even 33. 7% .

1. I read up on Pasteur just now, and I don't know what you're talking about. Even if a scientist was biased, you can't have all the scientists biased. This shows you don't even know how scientific methods work. Ignorance is all I see from you
2. Stop talking rubbish. I never said dems don't have donations from LGBTQ.
3. You're dafter than a red brick wall. No scientific body or scientists made any any analysis that Covid would litter the streets of Africa. That prediction was made by Melinda Gates, a mathematician. She has no medical degrees whatsoever, and just decided to make unfounded predictions. And whats worse, no doctor, scientist, CDC, WHO etc backed her up.

Look, I realize you're scientifically inept. Get your shit right before interfacing with me