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Techobeys:
The first comment I read on your post said “you could have just kept quiet” I think I understand why the person might have said that bc your starting summation about God’s expectation of Adam’s sin is not according to I’m understanding.

I’m glad you didn’t keep quiet though. We all must learn to confess the word, and in doing so, we’ll do better. If children were told to keep quiet every time they spoke, you and I would never be able to speak today.

That said, I think it’s wrong for you to say God expected Adam to see. No, that’s false. The fact that God already knew he’ll sin doesn’t mean God expected it. You need to understand this. Imagine you need to imagine it properly.

God did all he could to avoid Adam’s sin, but Adam still sinned, so the problem was Adam. God did not predetermined that Adam should sin. What Christ is was available for Adam to be, but Adam refused to obey the commandments of God, so God sent his word to come do what man couldn’t do and achieve man’s destiny.

So what happened in the beginning was treachery, it’s not God’s plan or what God desired. It was treachery of the highest order and it’s the problem of life. Plotting to be as your creator is betrayer, if you don’t know this, learn from politics.

1. Hold up!
The fact that God already knew he’ll sin doesn’t mean God expected it
What does this sentence mean? You mean Yahweh knew all how all the scenarios with Adam would play out but didn't expect him to sin?
That's just like me knowing my wife would stab me but I'm surprised she actually did stab me
2.
God did all he could to avoid Adam’s sin
Really? An immortal all powerful god got thwarted by a mere mortal he created? Lol.
By the way, yahweh aided Adam to fail the test. Planted a juicy tree right in the middle of the garden(where Adam could easily see it and admire it), gave him a beautiful sidekick who would easily succumb and whats more, created Satan and allowed him to tempt Adam via Eve. Looks like a open and shut case. Poor Adam was set up
See Techobey, leave cerebral discourses. You simply lack the mental adeptness to engage in them. Stick to crappy Youtube vlogging

Steep:
God didn't set Adam to fail, Adam was not a robot, he had freewill and was fallable, Adam's fallability means he had to depend on God and his freewill means he had to decide.
God has seen that Adam would sin but he God would through Adam's sin show his glory and righteousness and at the same time without altering man's will.
As for the creating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it was made so Adam could make decision either to remain with God or to go on his own.
The presence of Satan is to present Adam with an alternative.


Adam's failure is not the end, through Adam's failure God's Love and goodness would really be seen and appreciated.

So Yahweh was chuckling as Adam was munching on the fruit, knowing everything was going to plan. Good.
So why did yahweh regret creating man when he has already known that man would fall and be sinful?

tctrills:
Now you get it wrong. God only exposed man into a world that has it all, the God, bad and ugly.
That is how we grow.
While the devil may be stronger than us as you say, we can overcome the devil. So as a father, if my son has a challenge that I know he can ultimately overcome, I would not remove the challenge. I would allow the challenge to play it's part in helping him grow.
To understand that God knows all, you must understand that life does not end in this world. Life does not end at death. The sorrows we may face on earth is nothing compared to the promises that lies ahead.
Just because school is hard doesn't mean your parents should shield you from it.
Just look at the progress man has made. Living a protected life in a garden with all we needed, we would not have been able to advance as we have. Trials, challenges, difficulties help us grow. You think an omniscient and omnibenevolent God would not know this?

You actually choose to misunderstand me.
1. Who created this world that has it all, the good, the bad, the ugly? Yahweh.
2. Please can you explain how a human that is mortal can overcome an immortal, omniscient, omnipresent monster like the devil. A monster who bides to yahweh's biddings? Don't dodge this question please
3. Well, it looks like Yahweh was wrong. Cos man fell the test and did not ultimately overcome. Congratulations
4. How do you know there's life after death? Have you been dead and resurrected?

Bigsin:
Blaming someone else for your misfortune helps reduce depression.

Blame it on the Goose (Goose)
Gotcha feelin' loose (loose)
Blame it on the 'Tron ('Tron)
Got you in the zone (zone)
Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol
Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol

Techobeys:
I do not have such time sir. I rather take a beating than having to strike down my opponent.

Translation
I don't have any proof. Only what the buybull tells me, which has no evidence

Techobeys:
Mr budda I would like not to discus with you pls. There are only two theories, it’s either you’re created by God or you evolved from animals.

It’s either you’re human or you’re animals by the evolution theories. I said I believe I’m created, you can believe you’re animals if you want and that’s fine by me. I’ll not tell you that your theories are false.

I really don’t have energy for such directionless argument. Believe whatever you like and that’s fine.

Humans can move on their own and are placed in the animal kingdom. Further, humans belong to the animal phylum known as chordates because we have a backbone.
Did you do biology at all bro? Or your own biology was the one your pastor taught you?

Steep:
God did not tempt man.
He was clear told the consequence of his disobedience.

Oh yes he did
God created
1. The Forbidden Tree
2. Satan
3. Eve
These 3 factors aided and abetted the crime.
So yes, yahweh, tempted him
Just like tying a mans hands, throwing him into a river and expecting him to live.
How?

Steep:
man made his choice from options God gave him, even if God knows before what choice man takes he however would not violate his freewill.

So lemme get this straight.
You(yahweh) sent your son(humans) to school(life) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school?
By the way, what choice are you talking about? Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard [/b]to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he [b]allowed Satan(an omnipresent being) to finish the job of tempting man? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice?
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail
Makes sense then

Steep:
every nation has challenges that are peculiar to them however the extent is determined by how much they utilize what God gives them.

So you mean Nigeria utilized what Yahweh gave to us poorly than the UK, US or China?

Jamestaiwo:
Salvation from Sin and death

You mean if I get jesus, I won't sin and I won't die?

OLAADEGBU:
Only he can answer that but was he wrong with his diagnosis?

Yes he was.

Steep:
Origin of sin

Sin began with lucifer focus and dependent on himself rather than God.


Look at what Jesus said about Satan

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The devil knew the truth but reject it, why because he wanted to be independent from from God.

But Yahweh created Lucifer, and knew he'd deceive man, yet allowed him to go on

Dtruthspeaker:
That is what fornication and many other sins do which is why devils desperately push people to do it. But fornication is the most successful in the destruction of men because it ties your soul to the souls of devils and curse.

But since you are still yearning for God, then I think you still have a chance but it would take you a lot including refusal to fornicate while praying for God to return to come back.

Now you have to better (that is holier) than you have never been before, if you want God to notice you and return back to you.
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If only someone had told you that your virginity is your blessing when you walk with God maybe you would not have been in this mess.

How come when I and many more people 'fornicated', our lives got better? Was Yahweh being impartial?

Cancri:
thanks man I'm trying hard to stop it.
I just feel like God has cut me off,I don't even dream again for more than 2 years,but most of the dream I dreamt before are coming to past.
Know I feel God have left me.

When Yahweh was with you, how was your life?

Dtruthspeaker:
Man, love yourself. It is because you do not love yourself that is why you fornicate.

You also don't know that the women who sleep with you are doing so because they hate you and they know that sex with them will kill you. Some have told you but because you do not love yourself you think they are joking.

You have to stop it before God cuts you off permanently..

And see it, when you try to stop it, the urge gets even worse and more beautiful and your type of girls become available. That should tell you how Satan does not want you to stop it and when you fall you are fulfilling his desire to kill you.

Classic DTruthSpeaker bullshit. Perfect

Steep:
First of all, why did God allow suffering? The sufferings in this world is because humans do not obey God, this disobedience has affected all things and made things difficult for everyone. This disobedience is called sin. Sin brought pain, sorrow, sufferings of all shades and ultimately death.
Take for example, Nigeria, because of the corruption fueled by greed for wealth and sensual pleasures brought untold hardship, the desperation and quest for power leads many to do all manner of things in order to get power.
Nigeria is blessed with resources but few has hijacked it to the detriment of others, those given to lead others use it as an opportunityto commit oppression, the market men and women, both the educated and uneducated rich and poor, young or old are committing sin, the result is untold hardship, and people are blaming God for the wickedness?

There are many reasons why prayers are not answered or seems not to be answered?

1. When one is a sinner God does not hear their prayer.
2. Not praying according to the will of God
3. The the answer God gives is not what we expect.

Which god does China, Czech Republic, UK pray to?

Dtruthspeaker:
And we have answered you son of devil, that the whole world would have been saved if devils like you had had small sense not to kill Him. But you devils killed yourselves while some others got saved.



God's Son did not even marry yet you calling Him barren. So shall you and your children be barren in all things til your house disappears from the face of the earth because of barrenness.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
That is because you do not see that this only happens when God sends them or they are writing a promotional exam.

Did you read the question at all?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not know that your mannequin would melt if it goes near gas cooker?



They are difficult because they are stupid questions no reasonable person asks or should ask because they are not relevant.

Even Adam did not eat the fruit or disregard God, we know one stupid fool here would still have done it.

So this is just you struggling to tell yourself that you want God but you can not deceive God. You are either for God or against Him

Normal response. Zero sense. Classical DTruthSpeaker staple

Steep:
Why devil, Adam and eve separated themselves from God, Jesus showed us what loyalty, obedience and dependence on God is,

This is what God want from humanity what nobody ever gave him except Jesus.

But Yahweh caused it. Why did he tempt them, knowing they'll fail?

Steep:
It is common for people to ask some questions like
If God knew Adam will sin why did he allow Adam sin or why did he create him at all?

Why did God create the tree of knowledge of God and evil? Why did God allow Satan into the Garden of Eden?

If heaven was a perfect place how did Satan had the thought of sin?

Who tempted Satan?

Why did God create people he knew would be condemned?

These and many questions honestly prove very difficult for many Christians to answer.

However father God has given us am important answer as to the reason of creation in his Holy Word the bible.

Where's the answer

OLAADEGBU:
He only advised you not to forget to take your medication when you descended on him with ad hominem.

… and I asked him if I'm wrong with my diagnosis. As we know, his name is Cretinous Rectard. First name Cretinous. Last name Rectard

Techobeys:
If someone is a kleptomaniac, is that an intentional behaviour?

I know you don’t have idea about human psych but violence is natural to humans. Go study it and you’ll see.

Some people can’t help cheating either, they’ll always cheat bc it’s in them.

So if you think none of these vices should be accepted, why should homosexuality be accepted over violence. You need to study beyond your biases and desires to sleep with men. Violence is as natural as homosexuality, if you’ll fight for one to be accepted, then fight for the other too otherwise stop this nonsense pls.

1. Kleptomania is a mental disease. We give opioids and psychotherapy
2. You're dealing with a physician with psychiatric leanings. So yes I know a lil bit more about the human psyche than you. Humans have tendency for violence but its not accepted, and definitely not normal. Lemme give an example. If you see a man always breaking his TV, slapping his wife, biting his neighbors etc. Do you sit down and say oh, that's normal with humans? No! You bundle him to the psyche ward. Unfortunately in our religious environment, we take them to churches
So long and short, violence is a part of the human response spectrum but not natural and acceptable
3. Cheating isnt acceptable anywhere. Why? Becausr there is always a victim. Same as violence
Now answer, who is the victim when 2 men or women engage in homosexual act?
PS: I know your dim brain tells you anyone that supports gay is automatically gay. Well you're wrong. I'm not gay. Thank you

Techobeys:
Lol. Subscribe and see! I hope you know that there’s no atheist in the world that can stand a discussion with me. It’s like you don’t know who I’m. They have not told you abi? Ask around the street pls.

I just tend not to involve myself in fruitless and unrealistic discussions that’s solely based on assumptions and partial theories which are workable in laboratories but not in real life.

If you really want to learn from what I teach, subscribe and you’ll learn, better still ask me any question about my faith and why I choose it.

Don’t worry I have a book coming out soon, you can order for it. Maybe you’ll learn to think differently from your present state.

Lol. You don't possess the mental capacity to interface me.
I dont even know how to start. From my little discourse with you on this platform, you have never attempted any of my questions. Just all over the place. From your talk of Sodom and Gomorrah etc. Nothing. You couldn't prove anything.
I don't even want to go into authenticity of your buybull. You'll get lost. No need

Dtruthspeaker:
And that is what makes you mad for
God is a Person and He is wherever He is or chooses to be and will do whatever He chooses to do.

But the bottom line is that a House nor a mannequin whether living or non living can never create themselves. They must be created by a Person.

Why can't this person be created? There may be god creators out there. A kinda 'supergod' like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Cause a god cannot just pop outta existence

Kobojunkie:
First, contrary to what many may like to believe, Hebrews 11 vs 1 does not contain a definition of the word faith . Rather what the writer does in the context is attempts a figurative comparison of faith with the evidence/substance, the promises of God, that come as a result of ir. Faith itself is not defined in the context of that passage. For this reason, the word faith, in the context, is used in reference to efforts made by such a person as Abraham while pointing out the evidence/benefits that resulted from such effort.

God Himself explained what the word faith means in Genesis 26 vs 5 when He pointed out that the reason why He made a promise to Abraham had to do with the fact that Abraham lived his life in submission and obedience of His, God's, teachings and commandments - Faith. God gave that as the one and the only reason why He made Abraham His friend. This offer we observe Jesus Christ makes with all those of His followers who will do as He says - John 15 vs 9 -14 — those who will submit to and obey His teachings and commandments in the Kingdom of God. So, there you have it. Faith refers to living one's life in continuous submission and obedience to God's commandments and teachings, and in our case, in Jesus Christ. This definition is observed as being used in the Old Testament as well as in the New Covenant by Jesus Christ Himself.

Why do you like necrobumping posts?

OLAADEGBU:
And you responded with insults of your own. Why did you stop?

Lol. Because I'm sensible. I can't be throwing around insults.
And I noticed you didn't ask him why he insulted me, but you asked me why I stopped the insults after he first insulted me.
That's nice

Dtruthspeaker:
Because every property is always owned by one person. No 2 people can have ownership of a property. A house owned by husband and wife is still one person or a land owned by Oniru family is still one person.

When a property is subject to more than 1 owner, there must be dispute over it and where there is dispute, there is war. Like Argentina and Britain over the ownership of Falk islands (same as Russia-Ukraine) And every one would notice a war or dispute over the property claimed by 2 owners.

But because of the absence of war and dispute is why you bought your phone from the shop, (the owner) or your car, tv, doll baby, land if not, you would wait until one person is seen to be the owner.

Thus, in the end it always comes to one owner.

I can't believe I'm having this convo with a 'lawyer'?
Who owns Old Trafford stadium? Who owns LaFarge? Who owns Apple? Etc
In the end, its not one person. Its a they. A group of companies can own one entity. Like Apple is owned by a group of shareholders the largest ones being Vanguard Group and BlackRock

Ken4Christ:
He promised not to use it on all flesh.

But from time to time, he reveals his wrath because of the gross immoral act of man.

And it can through flood, earthquake, volcanic eruption etc.

Of course, there is a scientific explanation to the phenomenon of rainbow but it was God's idea..God is the chief scientist.

Wtf?
Didn't you read my post?
1. I said he may have been using the flood as a test
2. I thought u said there's no more rainbow? Now that I showed you rainbows are still there, you now turn around to tell me, its Yahweh's idea. Like seriously?

OLAADEGBU:
What do you call the bolded?

This was the post I was quoting. I highlighted the insults, just in case your tunnel vision blanked them out
He made 3 sentences. All of them insults. Do you see
You have just been turning yourself around. Your obvious lack of simple comprehension is a sympton of dementia. You should mix strong antidepressants with your antipsychotics but you seem to have failed taking them on the hour as the doctor ordered you. Be a good boy and Don't do that again.

tctrills:
I am not such you have a child. As a parent, you don't fight all you child's bullies. Would you also fight for them if they are being [b]bullied online? [/b]You allow you child to learn to stand up for himself.
He created all to give man the gift of choice and to allow him have experience.
There is a reason he did not create man and keep him in heaven under his protection. Rather he gave us the opportunity to learn, make mistakes, grow and experience good and bad

You still don't understand. And I suspect, you don't want to understand(since the regular theistic mind is incapable of brainstorming outside the religious box).
What if I, the father, i am responsible for hiring the bullies that would beat up the child, and make him fail his exams? Isn't that worthy of a mental institution? Its beyond wickedness!
You said he created man so we can learn and make mistakes? Good. Remember the one tempting and torturing us(Satan) is more powerful than us. So we are royally fvcked from the get-go. Don't give me that bullshit about us having more power than the devil. No man is omnipresent like the devil, so we are already handicapped.
And all this mayhem was created by an omniscient and omnibenevolent Yahweh.
Do you need more scenarios to buttress my point?

tctrills:
Yes. Would you prevent your son from going to school even when you know he would be bullied.
That's why he gave us Christ to overcome the effects of Adam's fall

When the source of the bullying is from me, then I need psychiatric evaluation. How can I send my son to school and still pay bullies to assault him?
Its the same scenario here. Yahweh (purportedly) created Adam, Satan, the forbidden tree. So why did he set up Adam knowing he'll fail?
Why did he create the forbidden tree in the first place? And he allowed Satan to deceive Adam, knowing he'll succumb?
Remember he gave Satan power and knows what he can do.
THINK