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paxonel:
exactly!
since 2000 years ago Christ was crucified we have been living in heaven

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved(make heaven)? And he said unto them,
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

This refers to the many disciples who followed him before he was crucified. Few of them were saved after the crucifixion. Infact, the bible recorded just only 120 of them. Act 1:15

Let me tell you what heaven is!
Heaven was just a transition from the old covenant to the new covenant.
The resurrection of Jesus brought the new covenant which is heaven, this is the gospel truth.

The op is one of the many religious scammers existing today that is turning religion a laughing stock

How are we living in heaven when we can't find ordinary food to eat

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure?
Because whenever i'm chatting with an atheist i always make sure i respond with mildness and calmness.
It's stupid churchgoers that i will lash with words because he claims he believes in the book yet he failed to reason with what the book says.
But you naaaaaaaaaa i will reason intelligently with you to know why we need a supreme being in order to know how cohabit peacefully with one another!

May His Noodly Limbs bless thee

MaxInDHouse:
It's a easy way out for those who have no cool rebuttals that's why i often tell you not to insult someone simply because he or she tend to disagree with your opinion.

You're no better

falcon01:
well i'll be dammed!

No joking. These are mental diseases. People say they see or hear stuff. These symptoms may be hallucinatory in which case they feel they actually experience such phenomenon, and they convince people who look up to them. Such experiences may be 'honest',in this case their brain tells them it happens. This may be natural (like a schizophrenic) or 'unnatural' in the case of usage of drugs like LSD, MSDA, meth etc. Or 'dishonest', in that they know it didn't happen but need the follower-ship or money

Tboy222:
Because it takes faith to get to heaven

You're not answering that question

Tboy222:


An infinite Yahweh working through a finite man.

Good . So why can't believe I can do supernatural stuff via Yahweh?

OkCornel:
First off, have you done your research into the Elisha incident? Are you certain for sure they were "kids"? or you're just going off what's written in the English Bible. Different from the context of the Jewish scriptures. Did some study somewhere, the age range of the so called "kids" in context of Jewish culture ranges between 12-30 years.

Anyways, that's beside the point. They are bound to terms and conditions of a covenant they entered into. It's not God's fault. If they knew the consequences of their disobedience, why blame God for being "bloodthirsty"?

As for Er, if he didn't want the responsiblity of impregnating his dead brother's wife, why not say NO, and free her? By the way, Er wasn't the only man to have done coitus interruptus, did God kill other people for doing it? Think about it, Why Er? It's simple - wickedness.

Why did Yahweh want to kill Moses? The answer is in the scriptures

Still typing...

gotta head out this morning, so we'll continue our discussion later today. Bear in mind the nuances of ancient cultures and traditions prevalent in areas covered during the scripture era. That will be really helpful.

This KJV
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head
These were children. So you can't escape that.
And no, they didn't enter into any covenant with yahweh. They're kids, remember.
He was instructed by his father Judah, so he had to obey and that's caused his death. By the way, if he had disobeyed his old man, he'd have been stoned for disobedience, which was a law given by your yahweh. Which other people had coitus interruptus in the Bible?
No problem

waldigit:
You are mixing things up. When you draws up a plan and execute it accordingly does it means you change?
God's nature is that he is a covenant keeping God. That means he is faithful to his plan. That's an an attribute of unchangeable God. Gerrit?

In the OT, he says an eye for an eye. In the NT, he says turn the other cheek.
Is there anything more fickle than that. Which covenant is he keeping? How does this depict an omniscient being if he's all knowing but doesn't know that his laws would change years down the line?

OkCornel:
Yes I have copied and pasted stuff. But I also include links to give credit to the author and for the benefit of those who want to study indepth.

It's not appropriate to just paste them and give the impression it's my idea. It reeks of dishonesty.

Perhaps that wasn't your intention. But something you should consider going forward.

It's not a crime to copy and paste stuff. Just give credit to the author especially where it's copied word for word.

I give credit to authors. Just that I was in a hurry at that moment. I always give my sources especially in my topics. Thanks for the correction tho

OkCornel:
Let's break this down one by one;

1. Uzzah the Israelite that was killed was forewarned not to do so. Given he is not a Kohathite. Only Kohathites were permitted to touch the ark. Whatever his motives were, good or selfish - he was warned, he disobeyed, got the consequences

See Numbers 4 v 15 - “After Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy furnishings and all the holy articles, and when the camp is ready to move, only then are the Kohathites to come and do the carrying. But they must not touch the holy things or they will die. The Kohathites are to carry those things that are in the tent of meeting.

2. The children that mocked Elisha - well you need to learn a thing or two about Jewish culture. I'm not sure of your background if taunting elders is acceptable. There are severe repercussions for mocking God's prophet. Again, the emphasis/context is on what is acceptable or an abomination in JEWISH CULTURE

Leviticus 26 v 21-22;
21 “‘If you remain [b]hostile toward me[/b] and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve.
22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

Mind you, Leviticus 26 v 21-22 is part of the terms of the covenant which the Israelites agreed to in Deuteronomy just before they entered the promised land. Anyone circumcised is bound to the consequences of obedience and disobedience to the covenant.

3. As for the one killed for spilling his seed on the floor. The real issue is wickedness (not willing to continue his deceased brother's lineage - ancient cultural requirement back in the times). If he didn't want to impregnate the woman, why not free her to continue her life elsewhere? Why wed her but not impregnate her? Why keep her in bondage and deny her the joy of motherhood?

If you do not study the scripture in light and context of evolving culture and traditions over the timespan of the Old Testament and New Testament, you will hastily arrive at a wrong conclusion. Almost all scripture readers are guilty of this.

I believe those kids were derisive and not hostile. 2 different emotions. And most importantly, they are kids. If you judge kids that way, then I assure you, their generation woulda died off, because yahweh woulda slaughtered all of them on one whim or other.
I believe you know what coitus interruptus is. We practiced it in our single days and even married folks do that. So why did yahweh kill a man for that. I mean, he coulda warned them earlier.
And Er did not wed his sister in law, get it. He was just ordered by his dad to Bleep her.
Next question. Why did yahweh want to kill moses?
Why did he help Samson murder 30 random dudes just for their clothes, so Samson can pay off his bet?
And why were yahweh killing off his own people for complaining about food or other whim?
Isnt all this bloodthirsty?

falcon01:
There's no literally heaven or Hell. Everything Religious has to be taken with faith even if you saw nothing and religion said it is there then you just gotta have faith and believe. If there was a literal heaven it would have been seen pr reached, so it is metaphorical

Also know as a mental disease, specifically audiovisual hallucinations. A prime symptom of psychoses like schizophrenia, manic disorders and drugs

Tboy222:
. I only believe in God and not man.

Do u believe a man can heal a disease with yahweh's power?

Tboy222:
Jesus Christ would deliver you,his Love,grace,and blood is enough.

And may His Noodly Limbs deliver you from the crutches of the enemy

OkCornel:
Paste the link to this your write up first. So I'm sure there's no plagiarism here.

Busted;
https://www.adamhamilton.com/blog/gods-violence-in-the-old-testament-the-problem/

I'm dealing with someone who isn't;

1. Brave enough to present his ideas.
2. Copy and paste from blogs to present these ideas as his own.

I'd rather argue with the author of this content directly, than someone who can't present their ideas but run around copying and pasting stuff.

Im sure you have copied-pasted stuff here and nobody harassed you. If you decide to use that as an excuse to dodge, be my guest

OkCornel:
Were the people involved these unfortunate incidences forwarned of the consequences of their actions? Yes or No.

Or God just felt bored and wanted to kill people.

Obviously you know the answer. They weren't forewarned. The people that let the ark slip weren't forewarned. Even if they were, its an honest mistake, which can happen to anyone of us. The children that taunted Elijah were… well… kids. They didn't know the consequences of their actions. They just saw a bald man and decided to get some fun. Same action we woulda activated as kids. The dude that did coitus interruptus didn’t get any memo that it would be his last act.
So no, yahweh didn’t warn nobody

Tboy222:


Heaven is a place of rest and eternal glory assured to those who would believe by FAITH and not sight. emphasis on the word FAITH. it takes faith in Christ Jesus with works to prove.

Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe.

Do you believe I have the power to kill everyone on this planet?

Tboy222:


I don't know any spaghetti monster,u only know the Bible.

Why should I believe yahweh's bible when the Noodly Pasta tells me otherwise? I can't disobey him. Sorry

terrezo2002:
If you believe your story is true, why do want others to approve it for you?

Well, since its difficult for you to answer my question, I guess its time to call it a day on our discussion. Have a nice election day. Stay safe, bro

Tboy222:


No they are not,do you remember the part of the bible when father Abraham tells the rich man in Hell that even if God was to send someone from the dead they still would not believe.

Do you remember the part in The Flying Spaghetti Monster's Holy Creed where he said false doctrine from evil people would come up. He said we should ignore them. Do you?

waldigit:
Dispensation of Grace of Lord Jesus Christ.

So he changes during dispensations. So then he aint the Unchangeable Changer.Simple
And one more thing, didn't he foresee all those events as an omniscient being?

OkCornel:
When Yahweh executes judgment and justice he's blood thirsty.
When Yahweh does nothing, he's weak and powerless (you didn't say this, but I've seen this thought process countless times on this forum).

Smh.

He kills folks for letting the ark slip an inch, didn't he. He killed a man for doing coitus interruptus. He killed children who called Elijah bald. He killed folks that work on sabbath etc
What kind of justifications do you have for these actions?

OkCornel:
Smh, we've got folks running around with the understanding the God of the Old Testament was blood thirsty.

Same set of people believe in justice. Quite contradictory isn't it?

1. They blame God for killing the first born of the Egyptians, but say nothing about the Hebrew male babies thrown into the Nile to feed the crocodiles.

2. They are quick to blame God for instructing Saul to kill off the Amalekites yet, they forget these same Amalekites almost wiped out a defenseless Israel that just cross the red sea.

I can go on and on with biblical and historical accounts. It's a shame people see one side of the coin and cry foul.

What a weak ass defense of yahweh's cruelty.
So he asked the israelites to retaliate in the OT but the same yahweh 'declared turn the other cheek when slapped' in the NT.
Let’s consider three categories of Old Testament texts that are morally problematic:
the “crimes” for which God prescribes the death penalty,God’s anger and wrath in punishing his people, and God’s command to the Israelites to commit genocide.
The death penalty. There are numerous “crimes” for which God, through the Law of Moses, requires the death penalty. Among these are sacrificing to a god other than Yahweh (Exodus 22:20), persistent rebelliousness on the part of a child (Deuteronomy 21:18–21), a child who hits or curses his or her parents (Exodus 21:15 and 17), working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2), premarital sexual intercourse (Deuteronomy 22:13–21), and the requirement for a priest to burn his daughter alive if she became a prostitute (Leviticus 21:9).

God’s anger and wrath. In the Old Testament, God’s anger repeatedly burns against his people for their disobedience. At times, the punishment he dispenses seems particularly harsh, unjust, and disproportionate. Let’s consider just one example.

In 2 Samuel 24, we find that King David decided to take a census of the men of fighting age. The prophet Gad was sent to David to announce God’s displeasure with the taking of the census. The punishment for David’s sin: “The Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the appointed time; and seventy thousand of the people died” (2 Samuel 24:15). David makes a decision that does not please God, and God kills 70,000 Israelites for it? How could this action ever be reconciled with a God of mercy, compassion, justice, and love?

Genocide in the name of God. I’ll mention one last category of scriptures related to the violence of God: those that describe the conquest of Canaan. At the time the Israelites entered the land to conquer it, Canaan was populated with small city-states or kingdoms made up of various ethnic groups speaking similar languages. God promised Israel that he would give them this land, but to do so these people had to be displaced.

This is problematic enough, but God wasn’t asking the Israelites to forcibly relocate them to other lands. God instructed the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child among these Canaanites. In Deuteronomy 20:16–18, Moses gives these instructions: “As for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded.”

The Hebrew word for “annihilate” has as its root herem (also transliterated as cherem or sometimes charam). The classic Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon notes the meaning of the word in English is “to exterminate.” It also has the sense of devoting something to God by completely destroying it. This is sometimes translated as “ban”—a word that in this context means “given to God by complete destruction.”

In Joshua 6:20b–21, you can read about what this looked like as the Israelite army entered the town of Jericho: the Israelites “charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.” After the destruction of Jericho, next would come the people of Ai, then the people of Makkedah and Libnah and Lachish and Eglon and Debir—every man, woman, and child slaughtered and dedicated to God. In the end, the entire population of thirty-one city-states was utterly destroyed.

I suspect that most people who read the Bible either don’t think about this, gloss over these sections, or skip them altogether. I was fourteen years old when I first read the Book of Joshua. The stories didn’t trouble me at that time. They were epic battles with great story lines and heroic figures. Who doesn’t enjoy reading about how the walls of Jericho “came tumbling down”? Behind each story was the idea that God was fighting on behalf of his people. I suspect that’s how most people read these stories today.
Are the above actions of israelites retaliatory? No! So your defense is so weak, it can't form a smoke

terrezo2002:
Do you need approval for you to be accepted?

I asked you a question. Simple and clear. And its a yes or no answer. So please oblige me

Maynman:
They were trying to push an agenda, they had to be careful and do lovey dovey.

Yeah
Unfortunately it was too obvious to every human with a brain(except of course the mentally inept chrestus folks)

terrezo2002:
Good for you

Do you believe me or not?

Maynman:
Yahweh has nothing to do with the New Testament.

No wonder there wasn't wanton bloodshed in the NT

terrezo2002:
Joseph wanted to put Mary away when he knew she was pregnant, but the angel of God visited him and warned not to do so for she was conceived by the Holy ghost.

If I was in Joseph's shoes, I may have acted same way too

Good.
I am a flying man. Yahweh sent me to fly to your house this morning. Check the roof

terrezo2002:
So you think, but what you call fallacies are actually the truth

Lol. Whatever makes you sleep at night

Tboy222:


They are worst atheists than you are who are great servants of God now,time will fail me to mention them check out Jim Woodford a former atheist and pilot on his story of 11 hours in Heaven, check out Brian Melvin too and don't forget Ivan turtle too, their testimonies would tell you of the love of Jesus Christ that is beyond comprehension and surpasses all understanding.

Jim Woodford wasn't an atheist. Wasn't even agnostic. He said "I didn't consider myself religious".

Tboy222:


Yes you can, Jim Woodford ,Brian Melvin were atheists too check out their testimonies on youtube if they can ,you can too you cannot go too far from Jesus Christ, check out Randy Kay ministries on youtube to watch mind blowing testimonies.Jesus Christ bless you as you do.

Bro, that Youtube video was a wild goose chase. I looked up Jim Woodford and he says he wasn't religious. He didn't say he was agnostic. And I don't find anything interesting there apart from the regular NDE (Near Death Experience) garbage spewed not just by christians but other religions. And each have their own ideas of heaven and hell. So whose should I believe and why?

Tboy222:


No those were not pastors,those were individuals just like me and you,who suffered rejection from parents, some thought Jesus was hocus pocus a scare tactics used to control the masses, to put people in check abused,had it rough ,hated themselves,some commuted suicide,some were killed,some overdosed were declared clinically dead,saw what lies beyond and we're completely blown away,life is bigger than what you think it is.

I dare you watch those videos and you will be completely blown away,give it a try and you will be glad you did,Jesus Christ is the best thing that ever happened to man.

Re-read my question and look at your answer. Do they match?
Lemme rephrase. If I wanted to know if a man is a criminal, would I ask his wife and children?
Your youtube videos are just another lie-mongering videos littered all over youtube. Nothing I haven't heard before

waldigit:
There's no flaw with God. Only he is a dispensational being. There is time for every purpose and purpose for everything with Him. Each program is implented at it's target time, then He moves on to the next. But the nature of men is resistance to change that's where we have problem comprehending God.

So why was yahweh all very violent in the old testament and then suddenly nice and caring in the new? Isnt he the 'Unchanheable Changer'?