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Trollronaldo:
the analogy is weak, very weak with respect to whether immunodeficiency and insanity can form a societal structure whereby such character can be influenced on others.

you will still shift the goalpost.
Two factors drives homosexuality, much of it are environmental factors that influence People and a handful is genetic.

Homosexuality isn't genetical. And it isn't a pathological
To be honest, nobody understands it perfectly

Trollronaldo:
you are just pandering from one goalpost to another.

This is my point, homosexuality creates new public health, social behavior and long term social structure challenges.
Is it true? If yes.
Does the benefit outweigh the risks?

I don't know how all these immunology and mental illness of a thins equates to the dangers of homosexuality in the society and how homosexuality can be learned and influenced on people.

I don't like people not staying in line.

People can be influenced to become gays and even sometimes raped. If I bring further journals to validate this now, you will move the goalpost again

You can't be influenced to be gay, if you hadn't been curious about it. If I get groped by a guy, do you think I can turn gay, just like that? Putting my own finger in my ass pains me, and you think a grown ass dick there would be welcome

Dtruthspeaker:
Killing without provocation is unlawful but I know that atheists must do an evil or the best one is to wait for them to do many of their evils and then one day, as they finish doing another evil, you catch them and take them to a right doing Court and present all their crimes before it so that we would see if they can validly defend reasonably themselves (which of Course, God has Set it that the wicked can never be justified Exodus 23:7), therefore, they must be found guilty by The Righteous Court like the people in court (commenters in this thread) have said.
httpss://www.nairaland.com/5090059/notorious-armed-robbers-apprehended-after#76842471

And therefore, the Court Bailiffs and Judgement Enforcers wiill take them and kill them for us. o what a sweet day!

If you seek help, you'll be cured. If not you'll end up a psychopathic killer

Trollronaldo:
what type of goalpost shifting is this?

Your analogy doesn't make any sense to me

Its not goalpost shift. He's giving analogy and explained anyone can be a rapist

Trollronaldo:
I think so, there so many disadvantages of making homosexuality legal which is even currently playing out in the western world.

Personally, aside my general points, I have had bad experiences with gays. A lot of them do not take a no for answer. Here in Nigeria, while I was living in Nomalinda estate in Enugu, there was this group of gays living in the estate. They had connections with top government officials in Enugu state and they were members of house on the Rock church. They engaged in the practice of raping men and getting away with it. I was almost a victim.
Although, we can argue that this also happens between heterosexuals, but that's an issue already that we trying to address, we cannot broaden the scope again into homosexuality. These guys engage in the act of drugging their victims and then rapping them. I almost feel for it, I became friends with one of them without knowing what they do, I didn't know they were gay. I started going to his house and he kept on insisting that we go to club with his friends, but I wasn't this outgoing person and I was always tired after getting back from work. Not until one day I got back from work, I didn't have fuel in my generator, I went to his apartment to charge my phone, I was tired so I slept off. In the night, this guy started caressing me private part, I woke up and he wanted to force me into it, I overpowered him and push him to the wall before demanding that he opens the door or I will kill him here after picking up a rod in his sitting room.
He opened the door and I left, in the morning, he wanted to have a conversation about it, he stated telling me things about love. I walked to his apartment and made it clear to him that hif he discusses that with me again, I will kill him or get him jailed.

He relocated soon after to Abuja, he was running from a particular rape issue he committed with his gang. Although they had connection with top government officials, but this victim was also connected, so this case was a handful for them. It was after he relocated that I started hearing all these gist and even the police visited out estate because of this.


Read plenty story about psychopath gays who are specialized in raping and kill teenage boys. This exactly what these guys were turning into.

My problem is that, these guys can influence others. I wont have issues with it if they cannot. A big story is that l, homosexuality can cause plenty community health issues, increase social entropy and disorient communal interaction.

I know what I am saying, Its not the first time I have had bad experiences with gays. This is not to say that all gays are bad, but many of them can be and will not take a no for an answer. They will rape you.

You committed so many fallacies here, but I'll oblige you.
1. If this was committed by a straight guy, and it was a lady lamenting like this. Would it be acceptable?
A white guy had this issue with a black gay rapist. He termed blacks menace to society and proceeded to wipe out as many as he could. Do you see the correlation?
Truth is this. Straight or black can be rapists. Some gays aren't rapists. They won't even handle you unless you acquiese(my exgf had a gay room mate, who wanted to handle her boobs, but she shouted her down, and she never attempted it)

TheSourcerer:
I have figured this is my longest talk about homosexuality meaning I had my ideas on ignorance and therefore fear of the unknown, and as this is logically noted I will learn to accept the gay people both within about my being again Thank you Lord

And one more thing…
Please don't be gay

Trollronaldo:
you did partially.

My argument is that: Homosexuality is more of a matter of culture than biological because it can be learned, hence its okay if some societies don't think this culture will be beneficial to them. However, the risk of homosexuality culture greatly outweighs the benefits when looked at from a broader spectrum.

What was the risks being experienced by Ancient Africans

DeusXmachina:
He's been spewing literal textbook genocidal rhetoric for a while now.
I don't have the energy to engage him on it, as he's denser than a rock.

I'm wondering how he even became agnostic. Could be a crack in the matrix

Trollronaldo:
HIV was first tested in Gays

Lol. Dead wrong. Read again. It was tested in African natives who were very much heterosexuals

Trollronaldo:
homosexuality is a psychological/genetic disorder as far as I am concerned

You're acting exactly like a theist. Stick your head in sand, stick your ass up. Ignore the world

Trollronaldo:
I see you have a poor understanding of how global economics works hence you will understand what US sanctions really means

Las las, na dia money. Not yours. Since you call them wasted, then what are you doing with their money. Go to another religious country and ask for aid

Trollronaldo:
So what?
If they have always existed then they should fester and Casue social disorder?
You people are jusy following silly bandwagon

How are they causing social disorder?

Trollronaldo:
appealing to authority.
Africa was not majority gay. That's a lie, you know this

Lol. If that is an appealing to authority fallacy then you're 10x more guilty. You have been posting links, articles and screenshots here. Stop changing the goalposts.
Showing facts is not appeal to authority
I never said Africa was majorly gay. I say it was accepted not major. Even in the western world, gays aren't majority. Not even up to 50%, but its accepted

Trollronaldo:
nope, they are not. Why did you ask?

Huh, lesbians aint gay?
You well so?

Trollronaldo:
2. By sanctioning countries who won't accept it

Sanction means withholding their own money, right?
Is it your money? Their constitutions says everyone should be equal, irrespective of orientation, race, religion, creed etc. And thus anybody they wanna help should adopt that mantra, if you don't want to, no problem. But don't expect any help from them. Countries have such laws. Nigeria has its. US/UK has theirs.
Savvy?

Trollronaldo:
nope, their point is to make it a culture as they have made it there. They are doing it subtly.

They didn't tell you to be gay. They simply say 'accept gays like every human' which by the way, is what the Christian buybull said.
Why are y'all having nightmares about it?

Trollronaldo:
yes I do. I don't have irrational dislike for homosexuality. My reasons are very rational

Ok. No problem

Dtruthspeaker:
O your lucid moment is over and your madness returns. It is only news they use for disseminating information. I understand, mad man has forgotten that there is something called movies, entertainment news, social media etc.

Satan is very desperate!

Movies, social media can all be censored. If you are watching porn, can you say you were forced? Stop using others to justify your perversion

Trollronaldo:
point fo where I said they do force Africans.

Go through this thread carefully

You said they blackmail Africans, didn't you?

Trollronaldo:
it's not in our culture here to practice homosexuality now. Simple and short.
yes, still doesn't mean it's okay to do it.
not really, maybe if you give me the list of all the benefits that homosexuality will bring to our society, I will change my mind that you are not subconsciously buying it from the west.
The problem increase many folds with homosexuality. Especially, MSM. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Go and read all my replies to LordReed on this thread, I already elaborated on that

I have read your depositions. And made my views.
You slyly ignored lesbians in your homosexual narratives. Less infections unlike their female-male counterparts

falcon01:
By systematically recommending queer videos, Transgender, Hender fluid stuff and other LgBt alphabet stuff for young kids like this.

Good. Glad you used 'recommending'. You can decline the recommendations, right? Simply, tune them out via settings, and you're good

Dtruthspeaker:
It is entertaining to see one set of the children of devils fighting against their other siblings over the doing of a certain evil.

Same way its entertaining when you fight with Max

falcon01:
yes I do! I know some gay people and we get along just fine I'm talking about kids Damn it! The sh*t been forced on kids who lack the basic Knowledge of How sexuality and Gender works! They grow and become messed up.

It seems we have a misunderstanding of what 'forced' means.
For the avoidance of doubt, this is the definition
obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power.
"there was no sign of a forced entry"
Similar:
enforced
compulsory
obligatory
mandatory
involuntary
exacted
coerced
imposed
demanded
compelled
required
requisite
stipulated
dictated
ordained
prescribed
necessitated
unavoidable
inescapable
de rigueur
Opposite:
voluntary
2.
(of a gesture or expression) produced or maintained with effort; affected or unnatural
From what you described, none of those kids were subjected to such elements.
There is even Youtube Kids where many stuff are censored. In fact you can set your kids Youtube settings to block some stuff.
Another example y'all Nigerians get wrong is Big Brother. Y'all said they are forcing the 'immorality' on you.
1. The show is on DSTV, which is a pay tv, so obviously not freely distributed.
2. In fact you need to pay more (have a higher bouquet like Conpact Plus or Premium) to get the stuff. So obviously its not for everyone.
3. Its clearly rated not for kids of a certain age.
4. You can block it from showing even if your kids access it, with some settings,(which they explain copiously)
5. For you to watch it, you need to buy DSTV, get a high bouquet, ignore the ratings, and actually tune to the right channel and sit down to watch it

How does the above fit in as forcing?
Anybody that ends up watching it, wants to watch it. Simple. Nobody forced you.
Same with this Youtube ish

Trollronaldo:
more

So does the benefit outweigh the risk for a country like Nigeria where we already have overwhelmed health infrastructure that can barely take care of our existing issues? Or for any country trying to contain infections?

This research is highly skewed.
Heterosexuals are also as likely to cheat as homo. And you also forget that heteros practice BDSMs too.
This ignores the fact that lesbians are less likely to infect other women

Trollronaldo:
2. CANCER

A 2011 study published in the journal Cancer found gay men demonstrating 1.9 times the odds of reporting a cancer than heterosexual men, while lesbian and bisexual female cancer survivors had 2.0 and 2.3× the odds of reporting fair or poor health compared with heterosexual female cancer survivors. In a related interview, lead researcher Dr. Boehmer specified that said cancers were both AIDSassociated and non-AIDS defining. Examples of the latter were given as, “anal, lung, testicular cancer, and Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

The American Cancer Society’s web page Cancer Facts for Gay and Bisexual Men specifies that gay men are at increased risk for lung, testicular, colon, and anal cancers. Their web page Cancer Facts for Lesbians and Bisexual Women indicates this population finds an increased risk of breast, lung, colon, ovarian, and endometrial cancers. For both the groups listed, the risk factors are described as stemming in part from higher rates of tobacco use, alcohol use, and being overweight. For breast and gynecologic malignancies, the Cancer Facts for Lesbians and Bisexual Women page clarifies, “Women who have not had children and have not breast-fed, have not used oral contraceptives, and are older when they first give birth – all factors more likely to affect lesbians and bisexual women – are also at a slightly higher risk.”

The Gay & Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) web site features the page Ten Things Lesbians Should discuss with Their Healthcare Provider, which states the following: “Lesbians have the richest concentration of risk factors for breast cancer than any subset of women in the world. And Lesbians have higher risks for many of the gynecologic cancers.

The GLMA’s web page Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with Their Healthcare Provider warns, “Gay men may be at risk for death by prostate, testicular, or colon cancer. It also notes the increased rates of anal cancers in gay men.

This is true to an extent.
Now in carcinogenesis, smoking is a high risk agent. Smoking is found to be slightly high amongst gays than straights. But you are missing something…
In Nigeria, and Africa as a whole, smoking is a small part of our populace, even amongst gays. So no, gay Nigerians aren't at higher risks of cancers than their Western counterparts

Trollronaldo:
homosexuality makes STI transmission faster, thereby increasing the problems associated with community health.

As a matter of fact, HIV, the most studied virus and the most difficult virus was first detected in gays.

1. The first case of HIV wasnt amongst gay men. Its an anecdote. HIV was discovered in Central Africa, probably Congo, amongst the natives. And it was postulated(bushmeat theory) to have been caused by hunters being bitten by the infected monkeys or pierced accidentally while cutting meat.

Read up https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS

2. Yes, anal sex causes easy spread of viral infections since its relatively more traumatic than vaginal sex but the truth is that it is practiced in both homosexual and heterosexual couples. So it would be unfair to blame only the gays

Trollronaldo:
So does the benefit you highlighted outweigh these risks?

1. STIs are more prevalent withing LGBT2 community.
For example, HIV. HIV disproportionately affects MSM, who accounted for 615,400 (56%) of 1.1 million persons living with HIV and 26,200 (70%) of 39,513 newly diagnosed HIV infections in the United States in 2014.
This also the case with other STIs including : Syphilis. ...
Gonorrhea and Chlamydia.
MRSA.
Genital herpes.
HPV.
Meningococcal disease.
Viral hepatitides

2. Loading, wait for it.

These kind of cases aren't blanket. And are non-specific. Always take your data from research portals and not political portals. I'm not saying they are wrong but they may be influenced by several factors.
Now look at this, from a medical academic site…

The terms MSM (men who have sex with men) and WSW (women who have sex with women) have been used with increasing frequency in the public health literature to examine sexual orientation disparities in sexual health. These categories, however, do not allow researchers to examine potential differences in sexually transmitted infection (STI) risk by sexual orientation identity. Using data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Adolescent Health, this study investigated the relationship between self-reported STIs and both sexual orientation identity and sexual behaviors. Additionally, this study examined the mediating role of victimization and STI risk behaviors on the relationship between sexual orientation and self-reported STIs. STI risk was found to be elevated among heterosexual-WSW and bisexual women, whether they report same-sex partners or not, whereas gay-identified WSW were less likely to report an STI compared to heterosexual women with opposite sex relationships only. Among males, heterosexual-identified MSM did not have a greater likelihood of reporting an STI diagnosis; rather, STI risk was concentrated among gay and bisexual identified men who reported both male and female sexual partners. STI risk behaviors mediated the STI disparities among both males and females, and victimization partially mediated STI disparities among female participants. These results suggest that relying solely on behavior-based categories, such as MSM and WSW, may mischaracterize STI disparities by sexual orientation.
Source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575167/#:~:text=Sexual%20Behaviors,-Total%20No.&text=Self%2Dreported%20STI%20rates%20were,heterosexual%2DWSM%20(46.6%25).

What can you glean? In the long run, there's no appreciable difference.
I can go on but this is not the forum for such dissertation

Trollronaldo:
is it not the same thing I mentioned? an ideal atheist is not smart enough to know that there's bad science and not all discoveries of science should be adopted else you will make bad situations worse. Atheism is a subset of scientism, it's close-minded and always exaggerates trust in science. You guys always think science is absolute.
There are many examples of bad science out there, ranging from development of atomic bombs, bioweapon etc. Discoveries that can make us go extinct before anybody knowing it.
Of what benefit is even developing nuclear weapons.
It's why countries like Japan never make, it's not like they don't have the capacity to.

There are exceptions for everything in nature, it's why we have congenital disorder. It doesn't mean you should make it normal. It should be treated as a congenital disored like hypothyroidism, sickle sell etc. I have never seen where someone living with sicke cell anemia is trying to influence normal people to live with it. It's the problem we are having with LGBTQ community. If you have a condition that makes you have such character, then it's understandable and it should be treated as a condition, just as we regard other congenital issues like Albinism. , don't make it a norm. Don't influence others, Albinos don't try to make others Albinos.


nonsense, homosexuality is not a norm within animals. Especially mammals, it's rare to see. This is a laughable excuse.
homosexuality is censored in China
homosexuality was not normal, you re making things up. It existed but not normal. It's not a norm here. Unless you have another definition for what's normal.
faulty deduction fallacy.
Because homosexuality was practiced by some Africans in history is not a ground to reach the conclusion that's was norm, the reasoning is flawed. We have to study the proportion at which homosexuality was practice against pure heterosexualty to be able to reach a conclusion.

1. Science makes good and bad stuff , but you need to have a big gun to enforce peace. You can't enforce peace with words alone.
2. No, atheism isn't a subset of scientism or scientology. Those are different concepts and different definitions and science isn't close-minded. If it was no laws would be discarded
3. Japan decided to go non-nuclear because of the nasty experiences they had fromthe bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima
4. Hypothyroidism isn't congenital, bro.
Also LGBTQ Isn't forcing you to be gay, they just want you to treat them as regular peeps. I hope you can read. So your analogy sucks
5. Homosexuality is normal in animals. A dolphin is a mammal and practices homosexuality regularly.
Read up https://facts.net/homosexual-animals-facts/
6. These are recent articles from Chinese sources. Maybe you need to read up and cure yourself of ignorance.
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Oct/21394.htm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/business/international/china-gay-homosexuality-textbooks-lawsuit.html

7. You really need to read up on homosexuality on Ancient Africa. I did researches on it years ago.
This is some excerpts
Prior to European colonisation, throughout the African continent we see far different, more relaxed attitudes towards sexual orientation and gender identity. As far back as 2400 BC tombs have been excavated in ancient Egypt with two men’s bodies Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep embracing each other as lovers. In addition to their acceptance of same sex relationships, Ancient Egyptians, similar to other civilisations at the time not only acknowledge a third gender, but venerate it. Many deities were portrayed androgynously, and goddesses such as Mut (the goddess of Motherhood; lit. translation Mother) and Sekmeht (goddess of war) are often depicted as women with erect joysticks.
Source
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/african-sexuality-and-legacy-imported-homophobia

Read up some more

In Boy-Wives and Female Husbands, a book examining homosexuality and feminism in Africa, the researchers found ‘‘explicit” Bushman artwork that depicts men engaging in same-sex sexual activity. There have been other indicators that the transition from boyhood to adulthood within many African ethnic groups involved same-sex sexual activities
Source https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity

Bottom line: we were once gay loving mothafuckers before the White Men told us it was wrong.
Currently, they are telling us that it is right

Trollronaldo:
Then highlight those benefits of LGBTQ that outweighs its risk that will persuade non-westerb countries to accepting it?

Give me the list. I am just admiring your inability to personally check things for yourself. There are many diseases that are prevalent within LGBTQ community and its not rocket science STIs pread after within that community.

Can u name them please

Trollronaldo:
2. By sanctioning countries who won't accept it

If I say i won't give you my money, why is that a problem for you? I'm entitled to who I give my money to. Earn your own money and give it to whom you like

Trollronaldo:
So high risk of transmission of STIs associated with gays is not a health challenge?
Is that a building or construction challenge?


Lol 😂

Are lesbians gays or not?

Trollronaldo:
Why is it very hard for you to confirm anything I infer on Google instead of loading me with questions.

It's very easy to browse these things, I have been spoonfeeding you all through this thread.

Does the risk of allowing homosexuality thrive outweigh thr benefits?
If it does, then why do you need to force it down the throat of other countries. It wouldn't be so hard to sell if it does.

1.Their point is to accept people, irrespective of their sexual orientation, religion, gender etc
2. Define 'Forcing it down the throat?`