MaxInDHouse: Mention their new found faith and what they preached to prove that's the only religion approved by God!
Don't be a clown nah, this is what i told you:
Just like you have been doing before, you don't read links posted by your opposition. Did you read the link about the Muslim ex-JW that goes about preaching about Allah, and how he's the greatest? Yes or no
Its only narcissistic pathological attention seekers with a histrionic personality disorder, that always thinks that everything in life is about a binary yes, or no answer.
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Bro, answer the question so the discourse can continue. You don't wanna answer cos you know you're stumped
Dtruthspeaker: The Mercy is that God, Inspite of His great hatred for sinners, still pushed through our sins and reached out to us to talk to us, which He does not have to do for exactly as we treat out phones where we destroy and throw away our damaged phones. He could and can still always do that to us but He rather chose to endure the pain of our sins and talk to us, that we may get out of that place and not be destroyed.
So, God has been very very mercy giving to the full.
It is because of mercy you could say this for if God was like us, Satan would have been in tormentous punishment since and every new Satan would be going the same way, no matter how many they are.
As I said, God has already done a lot in talking to us, but if he does not listen to God nor do what God has Said, that is his fault.
Answer this simple question… Does yahweh answer the prayer of sinners?
Techobeys: Just thank your soul for internet and how it allows you to read quick fix by those whose interest is to deceive you. If they give you proper research work to analyse you’ll collapse. I know you lack capacity for this discussion so I’ll leave you with another of my video that was uploaded today.
The gospel finally REVEALED! #spiritualunderstanding
This video has no import on your debate with Maynmann. You're debating the veracity of the Bible and you're there saying the bible has to be obeyed? How can you obey something that is already flawed and under scrutiny? Have you done any bit of research on bible sources and originality? I doubt you even know what Epic of Gilgamesh is
Maynman: Then what is the history of the tanakh and New Testament? How did you validate the information in the bible written by unknown authors? You said the romans killed the authors? Are you talking about New Testament or tanakh? Then quote the history books outside the bible that validates that jargons you just wrote. You are EMPTY! Do you even know what “Christian” means, do you even know what “bible” means. You are talking from a place of indoctrination, you clearly lack knowledge on the books you are basing your life on Who are the authors? What century was it written? Who complied the books? Have you ever heard of CANON? Please mention the past books and other books outside the bible that validates the forgery you have in your bible, I’m waiting.
You are empty, your ignorance will be exposed here!
Techobeys: If we already know of 2+2 then we already know of the prophecies. People know these things. The fact that you’re unaware of higher realities and do not have an higher order consciousness doesn’t mean things aren’t happening beyond you. Stay where you are dear friend. There’s a lot happening beyond you. Good bye for now. Do have a lovely day. Be a God fearing human and have peace.
Techobeys: Like I said you’re not a well read person and you’re starting to show symptoms that show that’s it’s not just about reading but more.
How are we supposed know the authors when the Romans already killed them? But how does not knowing the author of an information invalidate the information?
If the information is true and is consistent with each other, and with past books written then we care less about who wrote it but the information.
If I go into an empty class and write 2X2=4 and run off. When people find an empty class with the mathematical solution on the board. Would they reject the authenticity of the information bc they didn’t know me? Wouldn’t the information be correct whether or not I make myself known as the writer?
Pls go and study, being a pseudo intellectual doesn’t suit you well.
In this case the stories not consistent. Have you compared the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
LordReed: Add to that thought stopping techniques to prevent critical examination of the religious material. That's why some of them (JW for example) are afraid of university education because they know that such environments allow the development of critical thinking skills.
Yeah. I wonder if our poor old friend Max here even attended uni? I find his debate quite demoralizing for someone that is literate , never mind an intelligence Officer
MaxInDHouse: Do you say a Christian? Well my friend i am telling you now that that's the greatest impossibility! You'll never ever find a JW convert to another religion and speak positively of his new religion. The only thing you will see ex-jws doing is complaining about JW organization but to speak convincingly about any other religion? That's impossible! Do you know why? Because there is no better performing religion than JWs the one and only true Christian group!
Please make a thorough research and give me your report, try to find a single former JW who is now converted to any other religion talking convincingly about his new found faith the same way i does here.
If you find one i'm promising you that i will leave the JWs for such a religion.
That prophecy found at Psalms 115:4-8 is about all false religions and Isaiah 54:17 belongs to just one religion: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION!
I just decided to pick on these 2 people because they converted to Islam. Others converted to other christian denominations and other religions. And they spoke glowingly of their new religions and condemned JW. Bottom line: PLEASE START PACKING YOUR BAG TO LEAVE JW. I know you'll recant and point caveats
MaxInDHouse: Who are those noisemakers out there? What is their new found religion? Let's here what they've got to say about it. But go and tell them that the worshipers of the God who spoke in the Bible book of Isaiah 54:17 are here. YES! We ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Techobeys: Would you like to take this discussion to like WhatsApp so you can tell me all about them. I’ll like to take a deep study with you so we can actually discuss this. It’s important we do a deep text and language study to arrive at conclusion.
It’s important that neither of us just make assumption about right or wrong but for us to do an in-depth textual and contextual study of the bible and it’s language. If you’re in then let’s talk otherwise let it go pls. I don’t like assumptions and rumours.
Why don't either of us open a thread, so others can contribute too
They were mostly theists before. For the Christian atheists, that's how they were born. Not just because God let's people suffer, but because they were suffering too, and no God helped them out of it. Or do you think they dropped from Mars as atheists who never heard about God? Be scientific. Conduct a poll.
To think otherwise is the stupid and myopic thing.
When you lot have learned to be civil, you will be finally seen. Crude uncivilized and uncouth atheists, crude uncivilized and uncouth Christians. You're all the same, in different clothing. All in need of civility and anger management.
Im sorry I used those words. I just got tired of hearing that wrong impressions about atheists. And to be honest, its infuriating. Bro, I'm an atheist. If u want I can tell you my story, it has nothing to do with unanswered prayers. And I have discussed with many atheists, and their de-conversions are similar to mine. Of course, there are few atheists who were disappointed from unanswered prayers. Atheism was borne out of conviction about the non-existence of a god. Hope you understand
FxMasterz: Atheists are special brands of foolishness, isn't it?
Your research told you the event happened around the dead sea. Is that different from what you saw in the video?
The article you quoted started with a sentence of probability: 'Sodom and Gomorrah are possibly located...' Bit since it runs adjunct to your warped ideologies, you quickly took that as fact.
Those who wrote that article wouldn't ever have known that a city once existed called Sodom if not from the Bible.
Ever before those people lived, Moses gave a vivid account of events preceding and succeeding the destruction of those cities. People who lived thousands of years later are drawing speculations as to what they thought might have happened, each of them having contradictory opinions. Yet, those are the pillars of your soul. Continue being foolish. Your fate would not be different from that of those who went before you.
Many myths exists, which were written thousands of years ago, which tried to explain natural disasters. Are you saying they are correct? I want a yes or no answer, please
FxMasterz: Why are the confusions and inconsistencies?
There are so many. Let me not inundated you. Lemme give you bits. Like I told Terrezo(or something like that) I'll create a thread when I have ample time. 1. Have you read the story of balaam and balaak? Does it make sense to you? Doesn't it look like a dyslexic schizophrenic wrote it?
FxMasterz: The ancient who wrote about Sodom and Gomorrah gave detailed narrations of events preceding the fire and after the fire.
You who lived thousands of years later even denied the existent of such cities and the possibility of such an events.
The moment the cities were discovered, you started giving unreasonable excuses.
Keep deceiving yourself.
You're still dancing around the glaring gaffe you dug up for yourself. A humble guy would simply say 'I don't know'. There's nothing shameful there. But not you.
FxMasterz: Did the researchers tell you that the Tunguska event was a natural effect?
If the Bible has never talked about Sodom and Gomorrah, wouldn't everyone have errornously regarded it as a natural event?
The stroking similarity between the Bible account of what happened, the area where it happened and the substances found in the location are enough evidence.
We don't deal in speculations. Whether it was caused by God or not is your cup of tea, not mine.
Obviously science isn't your strong point, like most theists. The Tunguska event was as a result of meteorites, which are natural phenomena. Same as the 'Sodom and Gomorrha' event
FxMasterz: Of course, how can depraved scientists find proof that runs contrary to their ideologies. Just like yourself, they'll look for everything they can use to deny the ruins of any Sodom and Gomorah status. Except you want to be deceived, where did the pillar of salt come from which engulfed Lot's wife according to the Bible? This article points us to the dead sea and the sands close to its shore.
In the video, the evidence of burning sulphur is overwhelming. The location of the city around the dead sea aligning with the location of the city in the Genesis narrative cannot be a mere coincidence.
Lol. Theists are special 1. Scientists have been discovering stuff including medicines and vaccines that have kept you alive, even the phone you used to type this rubbish. They even made the internet you and your ilk are using in disseminating ignorance, like Oyakhilome. But because they disproved your myth, they are now depraved and want to disprove. If they want to disprove it, do you think they'll dig up and explore the place in the first place? 2. The mythical pillar of salt has not been found and remains a story similar to Snow White 3. Burning sulfur can be as a result of meteorite explosions. There are similar findings around the world. Are you saying those meteorites are hails too from Yahweh?
Hey! Let me also tip you that the evidence for the Tower of Babel too has been discovered. The details have all the archeologist names and papers you're talking about. Just be on the lookout for that too. I'll post everything here Nairaland soon.
Those who had already died as atheists blaspheming the Almighty God while they lived are already damned for sure.
I believe you can read and write because that link talked about Tall-Hannenin and not Sodom and Gomorrah. I believe u can spot the difference.
About your tower of Babel, read this from Encyclopedia Britannica, a reliable source
The myth may have been inspired by the Babylonian tower temple north of the Marduk temple, which in Babylonian was called Bab-ilu (“Gate of God”), Hebrew form Babel, or Bavel. The similarity in pronunciation of Babel and balal (“to confuse”) led to the play on words in Genesis 11:9: “Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth.”
So obviously you guys love myths. Keep up the good works. While you're at it, we need evidence that Harry Potter lived and died. We wanna write his biography
FxMasterz: Moses couldn't have known about the Creation, Babel, Abraham, Isaac, Ismael, Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah, and all the stories he talked about except by divine revelation.
He was growing up as an Egyptian Prince in Pharaohs palace before God brought in events that redirected his life.
They were all written by humans. And if it was divine inspiration, how come there was confusion and inconsistencies?
FxMasterz: Evidence of the Biblical Stories of Sodom and Gomorrah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTjEbNgTQM In the heart of the Middle East, a team of archaeologists had been digging for years, hoping to uncover the remains of ancient civilizations buried deep beneath the sands. But they never expected to find what they did.
One day, as they were excavating a site near the Dead Sea, they stumbled upon what appeared to be the ruins of an ancient city. As they dug deeper, they uncovered more and more evidence of a thriving civilization that had existed thousands of years ago.
The team soon realized that they had discovered the lost city of Sodom and Gomorrah, the infamous cities that were destroyed by God in the Old Testament. It was an incredible discovery, one that would change the course of history.
As they continued to explore the ruins, the archaeologists found evidence of a highly advanced society that had once thrived in the area. They discovered sophisticated buildings, complex irrigation systems, and intricate artwork and carvings.
But as they dug deeper, they also found evidence of the city's downfall. The walls of the buildings were charred and blackened, and the remains of its inhabitants showed signs of a violent and sudden death. It was clear that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had been swift and devastating.
The discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah was a turning point in the history of the Middle East. It was proof that there had been thriving civilizations in the area long before the rise of modern-day nations, and it shed new light on the biblical stories that had been passed down through the ages.
As the archaeologists continued to study the ruins, they uncovered even more secrets about the lost city. There was the Pillar of salt which the Bible recorded to be Lot's wife. More astonishing was the evidence of burning sulphur which the Bible recorded to be the very substance Yahweh rained from heaven to burn off the cities. The archeologies tested the pieces of sulphur found on the site and found that its components differed from any form of sulphur found anywhere in the world, attesting to its likely heavenly origin.
This discovery provided evidential proofs of the existence of God, His power and His ability to do judgement. This further brings another proof that the Bible is indeed the Word of God, and that the stories in it are the truth.
This discoveries have laid to rest the arguments regarding this mysterious Bible story which we can now agree to be true history.
I just wasted my time watching this clips. And right thinking and literate folks actually believe these garbage. Imagine, no evidence of any hailstones. In fact the exact location of the place is even conjectural. I did my research(not dubious youtube videos) and found this
Sodom and Gomorrah are possibly located under or adjacent to the shallow waters south of Al-Lisān, a former peninsula in the central part of the Dead Sea in Israel that now fully separates the sea’s northern and southern basins. They presumably were devastated about 1900 BCE by an earthquake in the Dead Sea area of the East African Rift System, an extensive geologic rift extending southward from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in eastern Africa. Archaeological evidence indicates that the area was once fertile, in the Middle Bronze Age (c. 2000–c. 1550 BCE), with fresh water flowing into the Dead Sea in sufficient amounts to sustain agriculture. Because of the fertile land, Lot selected the area of the cities of the Valley of Siddim (the Salt Sea, or Dead Sea) to graze his flocks. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of “brimstone and fire” that accompanied the geological upheaval that destroyed the cities. Har Sedom (Arabic: Jabal Usdum), or Mount Sodom, at the southwestern end of the sea, reflects Sodom’s name. The present-day industrial site of Sedom, Israel, on the Dead Sea shore, is located near the presumed site of Sodom and Gomorrah. Source https://www.britannica.com/place/Sodom-and-Gomorrah/Religious-views In fact Lots wife that was said to have turned to salt was just another wild goose chase. I watched all the video and instead of the pillar of salt they promised, they pointed to a nondescript rock. Now what fuckery is that? Theists are a special brand of stupid
Techobeys: No I’m not aware. I think there’s only human error in relating message bc of different witnesses but the main story remained consistent. And that’s all matters bc the wisdom is berried within the story and not the dates or names.
colored: I am atheist and I'm very confident that if I ever went back to religion, it won't be the christian cult. I think of myself a person of better morals and character than the bible god. The bible god is the most despicable character I have encountered in literature. A tyrant, an obsessive narcissist, a megalomaniac, bloodthirsty, pompous, arrogant and proud of it, jealous and proud it, sexist and misogynistic, ablestic and tribalistic, psychopathic and devoid of empathy, nepotistic and partial and proud of it. I read the bible and wonder how Christians are able to love that bible god but then as someone who has been a Christian I realize how the love fake. A love borne out of fear. The Stockholm syndrome slave master and slave kind of love.
Many people are theists cos they are afraid of hell(or whatever they threaten them with) and not because they love their respective gods
BRATISLAVA: Ask any atheist. Most of them were christians facing problems that prayers never solved.
The accusatory attitude of other christians doesn't help. Someone tells them his life is miserable and has been since kindergarten, and the best thing they can come up with us that he's not a real Christian, that he's a sinner, that he's not been praying to God. Excuses for God, as if any of them know why God doesn't answer him
I think the OP has tried all that is believed to be the silver bullet of Christianity, and it hasn't worked.
Blatant lie. A bleeped up stereotype theists put on atheists. It's so stupid and myopic. Who told you that's how atheists came up?
BRATISLAVA: As I said, none of you here understand the guy. As such, this is just a back and forth of misdiagnoses from religious folk who think they know everything that happens in people's lives. Your approach to people life issues results in atheism. Most atheists were born this way.
Ask him if anything I've said about his predicament isn't true. He's here. Ask him.
I would recommend he drops all the religion and stops listening to religious accusers. Call it frustrations or whatever you may. You don't understand anything he's said.
NNTR: You reckon, everyone's as obtuse as you are, not to understand the term
If there weren't, whats questioning with the memories of what I know I wrote, and trying to change and misrepresent it. Hmm?
It means, bar massaging your ego, I see no value in, you requiring me, to believe you, or even responding to your ' I hope you believed me' narcissism.
I see no value in giving you a Yes or No answer
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
If you see no value in giving me a yes or no, then that defaults to a no answer. But I see you're the slippery type, and believe me, I don't like debating with your kind.
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 6:36pm On Feb 27, 2023
