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A001:
Foolish people. The scientific understanding of consciousness is still very low. That's why even the most brilliant scientists don't make claims about the subject with certainty.

Yet, some nonentities here that only learn science on Quora and YouTube think they understand consciousness deeply.

Arrogance in ignorance.

Did you make your own research about consciousness?

KnownUnknown:
Hook, line…….

… and sinker…. plus fish

KnownUnknown:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism

Quantum mysticism, sometimes referred pejoratively to as quantum quackery or quantum woo,is a set of metaphysical beliefs and associated practices that seek to relate consciousness, intelligence, spirituality, or mystical worldviews to the ideas of quantum mechanics and its interpretations. Quantum mysticism is criticized by non-believers with expert knowledge of quantum mechanics to be pseudoscience or quackery.

Metaphysics isn't science. Is that what A001 has been yapping about?

A001:
Tell me why I should waste my time in this discussion with you when I already gave the scientific concept underlying my submissions.

As I said earlier, I don't have time to waste in silly arguments.

A scientific explanation of a soul? Pray drop it again. I missed it earlier

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

Before the birth of God's Son all other nations have their different Gods so each nation fights for whatever their God wants {Micah 4:5} but when Jesus walked the earth he commanded his disciples to take the Good News of God's government to all the nations {Matthew 28-19-20; Act 1:8} surely worshipers of the same God (Jehovah) will be found throughout the earth so there's no need fighting again because God's people will be found everywhere worshiping Him in Spirit and Truth! John 4:20-24

May you have PEACE!

Wtf are you saying?
We are talking about israelites here, not 'all other nations'

MaxInDHouse:
NO against enemies of pure worship which means against God's enemies but now He sent His son to tell us:
"you don't have to fight for pure worship anymore"

Who are 'the enemies of pure worship'? Be specific

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
To fight the enemies of pure worship whose intention is to desecrate Jerusalemu the center of pure worship back then or trying to disrupt pure worship by attacking the practicers of pure worship.
Jesus of Nazareth later told us that pure worship will no longer be attached to any geographical location on the planet so that practicers of pure worship don't need to be in Jerusalem before their worship is approved by God! John 4:20-24
That's why worshipers of Yahweh must not pick up weapons again we have no physical site to protect against unlike before when we have to fight to protect the center of pure worship! Matthew 5:43-48

Thanks may you have PEACE!

Actually, many of those Yahweh ordered to be destroyed were people who were going about their bizness, and not harassing the israelites

MaxInDHouse:
Of course a JW can do terrible stuff because we're not perfect but note the difference:

If a JW does what is against our norms no JW will support him!

Unlike churchgoers who often support their members to pick up weapons against their enemies JWs will never ever pick up weapons in support of anyone.

That's what i discovered back in the days i was a military man so i discovered the big difference between JWs and all other religions.
If you walk up to a member of our GOVERNING BODY and kill him it's the authorities that will take up your case for man's slaughter to JWs it's a man killing another man just as Jesus commanded his disciples not to support him with weapons we must not support ourselves with weapons!

… yet there were JW mol@sters which your elders protected from the law

A001:
You must be foolish not to see the wave-particle paradox explained in my posts. Anyway, you're ignorant of how science works.

Your silly posts only show how low the quality of education of Nigeria's education system has sunk

Bro, I know how all those work, maybe not as much as you do, since you claim youre a physicist, and I'm only a physician. The topic that brought us here is soul. And we're in the 3rd or 4th page of this thread, yet not you nor the OP, the proponent has thrown a shred of evidence or data our way. You're now called to provide evidence, and you get into your high horse and start throwing insults around. Really?

A001:
Keep sounding ignorant and close-minded like the average religionist.

Maybe you think the concepts of Physics such as wave-particle duality of matter is only there to be crammed and poured to pass exams.

Enlightened people know the paradox is a key principle underlying reality.

I don't have time for silly arguments on Nairaland and may not dignify you with a response again.

Why is it that when you're pestered for explanations and evidences for your vague posts, you resort to insults? This is about the third time you do this. If you reply that you don't have any evidence, that its a gut feeling, nobody would kill you.
Sies!

elated177:
Like I said, it is only when you invent your own scriptures that you will not be questioned. So long as you are quoting the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty, my Father in heaven, I will still ask you questions from time to time. That does not mean we are associating. Got it? Whether you answer or refuse to answer is your business - your prerogative.

But when an atheist questions you, you'll won't reply and instead resort to insults

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! Just as we knew that you won't believe it but don't worry that's why we don't publicize such things because our God never promised us He's going to repeat it rather He did it for a purpose.
So it's not for shows!

Good thing you don't publicize it, else all these Hollywood producers would be hounding you for the plots for their movies

elated177:
Who is the fruitcake?

Both of you, ser

MaxInDHouse:
He is the spirit being ruling the earth presently so as a spirit you can't see him but you can see his rulership throughout the earth! 1John 5:19

So I guess you and nobody else can see him/her

A001:
I'm a Physics graduate.

Oh wait, they teach soul travel in physics classes? Oh shit, I made a wrong career move

A001:
I don't know that. But I know the souls of humans have frequencies that lie within a certain range with upper and lower limits sufficiently out of the scope of the human eye and perception.

People operate at certain wavelengths, which can become manifest when two or more people agree on some issues.

I know that the soul exists because I've had many travels in my astral or soul body (known as spirit) where the soul floated out of the body.

That's a personal experience (lucid dreams involving flights) I've had countless number of times over the years, which occurred naturally without using any substance like psychedelic or entheogen.

That's from my personal experience.

Then based on my research which I engage in as a pedagogical effort to understand the soul, I know the soul exists as a wave because every matter has a wave aspect and a particle aspect via the wave-particle duality.

In the case of living things, this wave aspect is called the soul.

Well, you might not like that term anyway, but you can't deny the fact that every matter can behave as a wave sometimes and as a particle some other times.

Unless you understand what consciousness is deeply, you shouldn't say with certainty that the soul doesn't exist.

That the soul exists doesn't mean all the things said about it in various religious texts are true as many of them are based on superstition.

To understand reality deeply, one needs to be able to see things in terms of waves, energy, and frequency.

The atheist still needs to understand that there are still tons of mysteries in nature that scientists don't know yet before he makes certain claims with certainty.

I know soul exists because I fly out at will, watch people at night including you, then fly back to my bed in the morning

correctguy101:
Yes and no.

@Deepsight nice one.

@Workch, is the mind a product of the chemical functions going on in the brain? I am as lazy as you are when it comes to lenghty talks but do answer me or just share with this ancestor what you think the mind is.

And please, that definition you gave of what the soul is, is erroneous.

What is the mind?

DeepSight:
There is abundant evidence but if you can't face the the Kindergarten questions, sorry, you cant graduate to primary school.

Can you cut through this bullshit and present your evidence

DeepSight:
"Loaded questions?" Lazy man.

You see, this is just as expectedly lazy as those opponents of Intelligent Design who look everywhere in the world, and behold the most baffling and intricate spectacles, such as the super computer that is the human brain - and then declare - "there is no evidence for design anywhere! If you have the evidence, present it!"

So which god did it?

DeepSight:
Let me just add that being an atheist does not mean that one must necessarily be a strict materialist - that is, one who says that only the physical exists. There are many thoughtful atheists who are not strict materialists.

Atheism is just a tag. You can be many things

DeepSight:
This is too funny for me to properly respond to. I can only say that the fact that one believes in the existence of a soul does not mean that one subscribes to voodoo or magic. I will also plead with you not to absurdify the discussion. Because there is nothing wrong in saying that there are certain requirements for a body which a soul can inhabit, just as surely as there are certain requirements for the sort of computer hardware that the software can operate in. You are virtually asking why computer software cannot operate on a bare piece of plastic or wood.



This is my personal perception. Just as the software which may be required to operate a small machine like a Gameboy will be different from that required to operate Deep Blue or a Space Mission. In the same way, the intangible software of an ant is unlikely to be of the same cadre as that of a man. Again, just my personal perception.



You dont see your hand, for example, as a part of your inner personality. It is a tool, and you know it.



Frankly, I dont even think it is possible to conceive of one existing at all without the fundamental inner aspect of being.
Without that, everything physical would at once be meaningless.



You would address it as "me" or "I".
But there is a sense of ownership over it by your inward mind, and thus you will see it as "yours" - - - you will address it as "my" body.

That is the summary of all: Your personal conviction, without a shred of evidence

A001:
There are upper and lower limits of the range of light wave frequencies the human eyes can see, and also, there are upper and lower limits of the range of sound wave frequencies the human ears can hear.

These are natural limits.

Much is happening in our immediate surroundings we're unaware of.

How do you know all this

A001:
Yes. Reality is multidimensional (not just four dimensional) existing in layers just like an onion has layers. The soul is the innermost layer or the core of a living being with the outermost layer (the body) a mere projection of the soul.

Applying the concept of wave-particle duality to a human (as an example of matter), the soul is a distinct kind of wave or radiation that vibrates at a specific range of frequencies in higher dimensions with the body (particle) its spatio-temporal (4D) component or projection.

The soul exists, but it's one of the vast amount of things that are filtered out by our sense organs from our perception. Thus, we're only aware of minute aspects out of the vast amount of information (data) in our surroundings.

Due to these natural limits, there are many waves (such as the soul), particles, and radiations in our immediate surroundings we can't see or hear.

Bullshit

MaxInDHouse:
Well you're welcome to the world of true faith in Christ Jesus:

Since you're claiming an atheist no JW will call you Devil or Satan because Satan believe in the existence of God {James 2:19} what Satan detests is for intelligent beings agreeing to take orders heartily from another intelligent being when each person can actually do whatever pleases him. Genesis 3:4-5

So it's wrong as in unscriptural referring to an atheist as Satan or Devil, you've declared openly that you don't believe in the existence of God, the agents of Satan do acknowledge the existence of God publicly but within their hearts they don't agree that someone somewhere should give them orders without forcing them. Psalms 14:1

Where is Satan?

MaxInDHouse:
This will be the second time you will assume i said something instead of careful observation of what i typed.

The other time you said i used to call atheists Devils and Satan up till now you can't prove it just as i told you that you often assume Max said something simply because you're carried away with what churchgoers do say about atheists.

Now you said i told you JWs are perfect?

Haba! Please try to be much more careful when talking about me i am not a churchgoer and i've always told you my God differs from what the churchgoers are worshiping.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

I don't have the time to surf through your posts, but one day, you would make these comments again, and I'll catch you. Dey play

terrezo2002:
We all know how cars, aeroplanes came about. They were created. Same way humans are created too. If you don't believe this, it is your choice.
Quoting me about for what I share doesn't change my belief.

The process of car, aeroplane production are well documented and there are no guess works or duplicity involved. Is the process of human creation well documented without duplicity and falsehoods? No

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i always told you not to rely so much on the definition that's not reliable, the man called CHRIST is Jesus of Nazareth so it's those PRACTICING what he taught that you can rightly call CHRISTIANS not people claiming so!

Then such a person is not a true followers of the man who said:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you" Matthew 5:43-44

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet harmless as doves" Matthew 10:16

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52

Some JW folks have done terrible stuff. Weren't they following Jehovah?

IslamIsIdiotic:
Stay away from weed

He could be on something worse than weed

MaxInDHouse:
I never told you so in fact that's why you keep accusing me of child molestation because i told you it happens everywhere.

The problem you have with me is that you're so much touched with my comments that you can't decipher how a religious person could be so articulate in his reasoning.
I always told you that no one is perfect!

Max, Max
If this JW stunt doesn't pay you, try comedy. You fit it like a glove

sukkot:
i am an illuminated spiritual scientist . An ascended master

Look at the post

ChineseBalloon:
Ascended master
There's nothing I won't see on NL

Seriously. That's what the nigga said

terrezo2002:
You should have asked me why the cars, aeroplanes are not self existing

You started it. Throwing around fallacies aint gonna help you. I know theists love this particular Special Pleading flavor