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sonmvayina:
Somebody well vexed in spiritual matters..

Is that the answer to my question?

Kobojunkie:
1. Exactly! Watching these guys here claim to be atheists, all the while running the hamster wheel here regularly... I wonder if they will ever realize they appear just as pathetic as the religious folks who engage them in these same arguments day after day. They are just as religious as those they put down.

2. I believe in respecting the beliefs of others so long as it is of no concern to mine, even up till now. Back when I was an atheist, I rarely had time to do much with religious folks as I had enough on my plate with a religious mother who was hell-bent on saving her child who was going to hell for not believing in God. I showed up at her church when she wanted me to but made certain she knew my thoughts of what was said during the whole church session — my mum used to cringe every time that happened.
ROLFMAO!

You're even worse than a theist. You don't make sense at all. At least theists base their faith on some book. Youre just

Trollronaldo:
yes, Atheists usually will avoid confrontations with religious people because they are matured enough to understand that it's counterproductive to try to attack people beliefs. An athiest will only engage you in a debate if you come to him and then he has assessed that you are emotionally strong enough to handle the rigors. While engaging you, he doesn't try to denigrate your beliefs, he explains to you why he doesn't agree with you respectfully.

I use to be an atheist, and most time when Christian evangelists come to me to spread their gospel, I usually do not argue with them because I don't want them to feel bad. I accept whatever they have to say, as long as they are going to leave me alone afterwards. I eventually tell them that I don't believe in God when they are becoming too persistent in their follow up. Alot of times, many of them do not follow up

So what are you now?

Trollronaldo:
For me, the first stage of leaving religion is usually being an SBNR.
Then you move to probably Deism (some People just stop here)

The more overzealous ones move to antitheism, depending on the person's maturity and ability to avoid arguments, he becomes atheist.

But when you start scrutinizing atheism, you will end up at Agnosticism.

I agree but what's the issue with atheism(from an agnostic POV)

AbdulMagaji:
I don't owe you any explanation regarding the creator of the heavens and the earth and all that dwells in it.

Rather it is of a good to you (and not to him) if you recognize your creator and worship him.


If you think the earth you live in today, the sun and the other planets just suddenly/magically appeared and the humans and all that dwells on earth today also magically appeared then you need think again and again.



God almighty, the creator of the heavens and the earth exist in a realm that is far greater than the reach of mere humans. Humans exist in a physical realm that doesn't qualify it to see the creator.


I just pity some of you who have been beclouded by your science by not realizing the life force that is holding on to universe.


Scientist and researchers regularly discovers and picks up materials from the EARTH today and then use them to manufacture or CREATES products that benefits the general human But now inturn tells you that these same materials being used, came up as a result of big bang on the earth today.


I then ask , if you can physically CREATE fine products from the material deposits on earth how come you then think that these materials suddenly appeared on the earth after your big bang?


There are technologies today that can redirect astroids, now scientist having known that the earth was as a result of a big bang should have smashed two astroid (bang) and then move over to one of the pieces resulting from the bang to live in. This would have substanciated their claim on the formation of the earth.

Bro, your grasp of science (and by extension) the Big Bang Theory is appalling.
Do you even know that the Big Bang Theory was made by a Christian like you? And a priest for that matter? And what's more, its accepted by the Catholic Church?
Christians here on Nairaland seem to be the daftest creatures that draw breath

AkinwaleJJ:
I am now fully convinced that he hates the truth with passion so there's no need chatting with him again. Anytime he quotes or mention me now i will just ignore him.
The last time he jumped into a thread accusing God's people of child abuse despite knowing that it was all fabricated lies to silence JWs.
If he doesn't want to worship God nobody is forcing God down his throat but he can't stop us from chatting with interested ones.
Henceforth i won't give him any audience let him continue crying all over the forum!

Oh, you mean the cases that the mol@sters actually confessed to? Several cases, not just one. One even committed suicide when police came for him. Its all in the news and proven. So you can't say its a lie. Keep deceiving yourself
Max how many accounts you get for Nairaland sef? 5?

Aemmyjah:
I am not missing
I just read comments
How business?

You see how your oga Max dey misbehave. And you still defend him

MaxInDHouse:
My friend you have proved to be dishonest with your inquisition so i won't take you serious again.
I said someone who has been defending his new found faith just as i'm doing here.
Why not question that person the same way you've been worriedly doing all these while to be sure if the person has something tangible to say in defense of his new found faith?
But no all you just want is to argue even when you know that the person doesn't have what it takes to prove his faith.
The way you jumped into the other thread to repeat the case of child abuse which i've already settled with you shows you're not sincere.
So no matter what you type from now i won't respond again because you're not honest with your findings!

Look who's talking about dishonesty?
Your dishonest words are plain for the world to see. Changing mouth when the talk dey backfire
Didnt you read that the ex-JW dude was blasting JW organization and extolling Allah? Or do you want me to say everything there?
Max, this is childish

Dtruthspeaker:
Offpoint.
And besides you are not in China to know the Truth neither am I in China to say what is True on this off point issue so you are leaking shit water.

I don't need to be in China to know exactly what is going on. We all know there's an earthquake that killed thousands in Turkey, yet we are hundreds and thousands of miles away.
My point is the world is a global village. Scratch that, its a global family. Science has made it possible to speak and talk real-time with someone anywhere, while looking at the person. Long distance surgeries would soon be possible via 6G.
Chinese economy, healthcare and standard of living is better than Nigeria. So quit talking this your usual bullshit

Dtruthspeaker:
My son is mortal and can fail ICAN. But my son is mortal and he is my champion and I tell ICAN, bring your worst, my son will still crush all your levels.



Before the journey to hell there is always an enquiry and judgement as to why you failed/why he did not pass.

And you always go to hell because the after exam assessment shows you could have passed it if you truly wanted to.

Your parents punished you for failing an exam you could pass.

And they praise and honour you greatly, with great many gifts for passing an exam they thought you could not pass.

That is the way it is.

So, you are talking rubbish because you do not have any reasonable thing to say.

Does this answer do justice to my question.
DTruthSpeaker, if you see a question that topples you, why do you post a nonsensical reply just to muddy the water? You always go against your name, no matter the situation.
Job is a mortal, and thus can fail any test, because he always has a threshold of failure. Every mortal has his.
So if your yahweh's test topple him, who do we blame?
Stop beating around the bush and come clean, for once

Thanksful:
Kindergarten question.

Do Russia have these qualities like Nigeria?

No sane company does business with Nigeria or Nigerian companies, only dubious one does because the nation is seen as a corrupt one.

Every scam done by a black man is hanged on Nigeria. No nation prospers with such a tag.

The individual small money we celebrate are mostly proceeds of corruption even in the church.

Its a yes or no question. Quit dodging. Lemme repeat. Is Russia prosperous?

MaxInDHouse:
His problem is that he feels being intelligent will make him wise not knowing that both are two different qualities.
He wants to prove that there are ex-jws who are also active in their new faith yet he couldn't find any on Nairaland so he has to go searching online to find a Muslim who claims he's ex-jw. Instead of questioning him to get some facts he just copy what he found and pasted it here thinking he has found what he needed to prove me wrong.
What about questioning the so called ex-jw as he's been doing with me all these while?

Hmmm he just doesn't want to hear anything about God but that's his cup of coffee nobody is forcing God down his throat now.

Look through your initial post. You never talked about getting a JW from Nairaland. You're now bringing this angle because I caught you out on your lie.
Even if I get a Nairaland JW you'll say he's fake.
Are you not Max again?

Aemmyjah:
You're yet to be convinced that this Apeman does not think straight. He thinks like an ape

Aha, where went you? You have been missing. Welcome back bro. How u doing

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're a real clown!

So you went to fetch a Muslim who claims he's ex-jws and you haven't questioned him at all to see how convincing his thoughts he's not even here on Nairaland for questioning as i've been doing here!

I knew you'd come up with a twisting tale. Of course, you'll commit a fallacy. Did you talk about confirming the authenticity of deconverted ex-JW when you were beating your chest earlier?
If I go online and bring a certified JW who went Islam, you'll still say some bigger stupid shit. Maybe say you have to certify him yourself.
Even if I go to your own Kingdom Hall and drag out an ex-JW with an ID (or whatever you guys use to id yourself) you'll still come up with a twisty turny eely excuse. You'll probably talk another fallacy or lie.
Knowing you, such lies are your way of lie.
This is the Max I know

Thanksful:
No sane company does business with Nigeria or Nigerian companies, only dubious one does because the nation is seen as a corrupt one.

Every scam done by a black man is hanged on Nigeria. No nation prospers with such a tag.

The individual small money we celebrate are mostly proceeds of corruption even in the church.

Is Russia prosperous or not

Techobeys:
I think you’re now being unreasonable. Would you like a psychology textbook to read so that you might grow? Go get yourself psychology by Carole wade and Carol Tavris. It’ll help you think critically.

Imagine a law court that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were called to give evidence in court that Jesus existed. Not only would the court laugh at such 'evidence' but they'll throw them to jail for perjury

Maynman:
We are talking about events that took place.
President buhari is from katsina that became President in 2015.
If 100 people write history they will say the same thing, what has their experience got to do with events that took place?
You yourself said authors are unknown, how did you know any of the authors were present at the time of events?

The have come out to say actually those people didn't witness those events

Techobeys:
Yes I have read them. They all had different focus. If ten different people experience something and you ask them to relay their experience, they’ll say it differently based on their interest and personality.

This is a psychological fact. Why is it difficult for you to understand? Would you like me to recommend a psychology textbook for you to read? Maybe then you can grasp some of the happening in the bible

I know you will say this.
So now the next question. How come those people actually contradict themselves. I'm not talking about different focuses. I'm talking plain contradictions, as in black and white

Techobeys:
Through proper studies. When I tell you I’m well read, I really mean it. I know you probably haven’t read or researched as much so there’s really not much to tell you.

If you give yourself to diligent studies and don’t get hung up on conspiracy theories about God, you’ll attain this level of awareness. Hopefully you’ll study. How old are you btw?

1. What have you researched about the Bible?
2.Lol. Conspiracy theories are based on anecdotes. What I have about Yahweh are facts

Techobeys:
Can you pls watch it another time? I didn’t say the bible has to be obeyed, i said the laws of Christ must be obeyed for a man to gain sanity and tranquility.

Are the 'laws of christ' not in the Bible?

Techobeys:
Yes I have. Really? Don’t you think you’re the psychopath? You know we all tend to project our subjective reality into the world, especially when we read

You're drifting. Have you read it or not. If you haven't, read it. I have questions for you. Make sure you understand the story properly because you'll lose your mind by the time I'm done with you

Thanksful:
A nation doesn't prosper because many are blessed. A nation prospers because other nations have good perspective of that nation.

Erm. Can you expnatiate, sir

sonmvayina:
A spiritualist...

Who and where is this spiritualist?

Dtruthspeaker:
The mere fact that you could not give a reasonable counter just proves that you have no reasonable case against God and seeing that you have nothing reasonable to say, you are just showing that you are unreasonably biased and you love being unreasonably biased.

For I have just shown you that it was a challenge in which Job was God's Heavy weight Champion of the world against Satan and every champion must prove his championess by very hot competition.

So you are just talking rubbish because you are a devil and have nothing reasonable to say.

Do you know Job is mortal, and can fail? So if he fails those tests and goes to hell, who do we blame? Yahweh for testing a mere mortal tan can fail? Job for failing his gods trust? Satan for making yahweh a fool? DTruthSpeaker for talking rubbish?

Dtruthspeaker:
What happened to him happened to everyone, but some us listened and got out. But obviously he didn't listen his fault.



Is this not obviously the Job scenario which we have all noticed?

Every normal person has noticed that once they decide to do the right thing, life and living gets worse and when we agree that we are not doing again, it returns to normal.

It was this observation that made me know that Satan was real. So, anyone who wanted to get out of Satan's kingdom of sin, would have gotten out, if they wanted to for it is a very obvious sign as you yourself has noticed.

So just say you are here to blaspheme God because these are the days that He had foretold that He would begin punishing you devils and sons of devils since you chose not to get out and stop being devils.

For God has already been too good but you devils love being devils and now it's your time to burn. You people ain't seen nothing yet, you are going to scream to the point that you would be unable to blaspheme no more before you continue in lava. You kukuma have lava in your name, so you know your destination.

Lol. Between Nigerians and Chinese, who are screaming in pains?

Dtruthspeaker:
It depends on what you are asking for and how far deep you are in sins and if He spoken to you in the past but you did not listen to Him.

So if one refused to listen to him, does Yahweh answer his prayers?

sonmvayina:
Through the oracle...

Where's this oracle? Who has access?

AbdulMagaji:
God almighty created man in his own image and likeness

How do you know this? Again I ask

AbdulMagaji:
You want me to tell you the source of the power of God almighty?

I have told you that he is an invisible being, no human can see him until after death.

But he can talk to you if you ask him.

Do you talk to him?

AbdulMagaji:
Let me give you a practical illustration on what is meant by idol worship and who God almighty is.


Now in electricity, we have what is called..


Power generation (Dam for example)

Power transmission (via transmission lines)

Power distribution (via transformers)




Now...

Power generation = God

Power transmission = his force of creation

Power distribution = electricity we use at home (take it as his creation which could be object or matter or human or the earth)



Now, you realize that Almighty God has a power within him in which at the end of anything he created he drops or leaves a bit of his power (now electricity) in it, in other words every creation has a life force deposited in them by God almighty after creation.

Humans, animals, the earth, the trees, the sea, the rocks, sands, air, the moon, the sun etc. all has a force which was deposited in them after creation so as to keep it running.


So now, these creations that I listed above posses an amount of power which can be tapped or recognized by humans.


Now so many humans, after realizing the powers in what God has created, decided to worship these things.

But God almighty is saying that NO, we are NOT to worship these things rather we are to worship him the CREATOR of these things (power generator in my illustration)


Most times in my village, after an abomination is committed by someone, people say to such person that you have defiled the land and the soil is angry with such person. This is because the land in which these person steps on, recognizes such abomination as evil.


I believe you know understand the difference between gods and almighty God.

No. You're just muddying the water.
Do you believe everything is created?

Kalatium:
People who are unsure about the existence of a God but keep an open mind and recognize the limits of human knowledge and experience according to your definition are also atheist.

No. They're agnostic

Dtruthspeaker:
The fact is we have seen that in this world no thing can build itself. It is always built by another. And this House we call the earth cannot build itself. Therefore, it must be built by a Person. It is that Person Whom we acknowledge and respect that we call God in whatever dialect we have.

Therefore, as Abdul, said, there isn't any nation which does not have a Name in respect and reverence of He Who created this House, which we popularly call "God".

What does your own nation call this creator?