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waldigit:
Don't forget He is God and not a man. As heaven is far from earth so is his ways from man.

Whoa.
Now that is a quick dodge technique.
… only that you won't escape that easily.
Few hours ago you were sure about 'the ways of the lord' and were dishing advices. Suddenly you can't defend him again, and you landed on that much used cliche which has been used by Christians when they get stumped. So if the way of the lord is so mysterious why do y'all claim that he loves you? Why do you think he doesn't hate your guts?

Dtruthspeaker:
Psalm 23 is my normal song because The Lord blesses me even too too much to the point that I am satisfied with life and ready to meet Him! I have already signed out from this world. Exactly as Written!

Lol. The sheer delusion.
And how do you know the 'rejected' folks aren't blessed and satisfied, even more than you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Being active for The Lord does not mean that The Lord has accepted you. Catholics and jws are "active for The Lord" but we know that The Lord can never accept them

Lol. And how do you know the lord accepted you?

paxonel:
then we have failed to follow the right principle that ensure success
ofcourse one can be in heaven and die of hunger if he is ignorant.
Scriptures says my people perish because they lack knowledge. That is also applied in heaven!

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

Read the preceding verses of this chapter and see the parable Jesus used to illustrate what happens in the kingdom of heaven, that if you don't work you may suffer

we'll all be alive, there wouldn't have been anything called death.
Initially, man was created to live forever.

Lol. Do you actually think every man could have lived forever. Lol. Christians.
The resources on earth would have been depleted long ago and the ecological balance disrupted

falcon01:
how do you think all this came to been? Why are we humans the only ones building cars Houses, and guns? Why are we aware of ourselves and surrounding? Why are we?

Good question.
The truth we don't know how we came here. Scientists aren't sure though a number of theories are around. Also evolution explained how we moved from unicellular to multicellular beings. Its not shameful to say I don't know, after all, there were many phenomena science didn’t know how they happened, but today, its common knowledge. Like lightning, droughts, floods etc. The ancient man thought it was caused by gods by science has dispelled all such nonsense. And science has already dispelled the creation stories of each religion
But to say we were created, is wrong. Why? Many cultures and religions claim their favorite god created the world, but they all have a common theme and that is lack of evidence, and the fact that their holy books contain lots of lies, and contradictions. Which drastically reduces their credibility.

OkCornel:
Lol, Satan wrote versions of the Bible? That’s news to me.

All I’m asking is to go to the original language the scriptures were written and translate directly to English from there.

There are bible study tools that can help with that.

The Hebrew phrase translated as “little children” here in the King James Version is קָטָן (qatan) נַעַר (naar) which carries the meaning of “small boys, young men, youth.” In 1 Kings 3:7 Solomon says, “And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child (qatan naar).” Some suggest that Solomon was in his mid-twenties while an ancient book called, Apostolical Constitutions II (Ed. Lagarde 14, 17) suggest that he may have been as young as twelve: “Solomon was King of Israel when twelve years old.” Other places in Scripture seem to indicate that qatan naar refers to “young men” (1 Samuel 20:35; 1 Kings 11:17).

Source https://lastmessageofmercy.com/article/view/2-kings-223-25-did-god-kill-children-as-a-result-of-elishas-curse

OkCornel:
Go to the Hebrew Scriptures and prove to me it was kids that mocked Elisha.

The original authors wrote the scriptures in English abi?

These are the translations. Most used 'boys' few used 'children'

OkCornel:
Go to the Hebrew Scriptures and prove to me it was kids that mocked Elisha.

The original authors wrote the scriptures in English abi?

Are you amongst those christians like Dtruthspeaker that believe Satan wrote most versions of the Bible? And this is KJV youre casting aside like this

falcon01:
doesn't sound fair

Why

MaxInDHouse:
Now you see what i mean?
At least i made you a believer in the supreme being whatever you call yours doesn't matter just believe (trust) in a supreme being first then we can talk about the way forward!

Ok, now I believe in a supreme being. What next? Do we need to suck their dicks or what

falcon01:
so there is no God and Religion is a waste if time

Bulls-eye

paxonel:
that is the scam they are scamming people, especially people of poor countries in Africa who are in search for food to eat.
The op is a chief scammer beware of him

Scriptures made us to understand that heaven is not about food or drinks.
Heaven is about eternal life.

Ofcourse if you want food you can always work for it, anyone can work for food you don't need to be a believer to do so

But heaven is about restoring man back to the state he was when Adam and Eve was created, which is eternal life

So what if we work for food and we still dont get it? Like some that die of hunger. Is it still heavenly?
Do you think if Adam had not eaten the fruit, we'll all be alive?

paxonel:
exactly!
since 2000 years ago Christ was crucified we have been living in heaven

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved(make heaven)? And he said unto them,
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

This refers to the many disciples who followed him before he was crucified. Few of them were saved after the crucifixion. Infact, the bible recorded just only 120 of them. Act 1:15

Let me tell you what heaven is!
Heaven was just a transition from the old covenant to the new covenant.
The resurrection of Jesus brought the new covenant which is heaven, this is the gospel truth.

The op is one of the many religious scammers existing today that is turning religion a laughing stock

How are we living in heaven when we can't find ordinary food to eat

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure?
Because whenever i'm chatting with an atheist i always make sure i respond with mildness and calmness.
It's stupid churchgoers that i will lash with words because he claims he believes in the book yet he failed to reason with what the book says.
But you naaaaaaaaaa i will reason intelligently with you to know why we need a supreme being in order to know how cohabit peacefully with one another!

May His Noodly Limbs bless thee

MaxInDHouse:
It's a easy way out for those who have no cool rebuttals that's why i often tell you not to insult someone simply because he or she tend to disagree with your opinion.

You're no better

falcon01:
well i'll be dammed!

No joking. These are mental diseases. People say they see or hear stuff. These symptoms may be hallucinatory in which case they feel they actually experience such phenomenon, and they convince people who look up to them. Such experiences may be 'honest',in this case their brain tells them it happens. This may be natural (like a schizophrenic) or 'unnatural' in the case of usage of drugs like LSD, MSDA, meth etc. Or 'dishonest', in that they know it didn't happen but need the follower-ship or money

Tboy222:
Because it takes faith to get to heaven

You're not answering that question

Tboy222:


An infinite Yahweh working through a finite man.

Good . So why can't believe I can do supernatural stuff via Yahweh?

OkCornel:
First off, have you done your research into the Elisha incident? Are you certain for sure they were "kids"? or you're just going off what's written in the English Bible. Different from the context of the Jewish scriptures. Did some study somewhere, the age range of the so called "kids" in context of Jewish culture ranges between 12-30 years.

Anyways, that's beside the point. They are bound to terms and conditions of a covenant they entered into. It's not God's fault. If they knew the consequences of their disobedience, why blame God for being "bloodthirsty"?

As for Er, if he didn't want the responsiblity of impregnating his dead brother's wife, why not say NO, and free her? By the way, Er wasn't the only man to have done coitus interruptus, did God kill other people for doing it? Think about it, Why Er? It's simple - wickedness.

Why did Yahweh want to kill Moses? The answer is in the scriptures

Still typing...

gotta head out this morning, so we'll continue our discussion later today. Bear in mind the nuances of ancient cultures and traditions prevalent in areas covered during the scripture era. That will be really helpful.

This KJV
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head
These were children. So you can't escape that.
And no, they didn't enter into any covenant with yahweh. They're kids, remember.
He was instructed by his father Judah, so he had to obey and that's caused his death. By the way, if he had disobeyed his old man, he'd have been stoned for disobedience, which was a law given by your yahweh. Which other people had coitus interruptus in the Bible?
No problem

waldigit:
You are mixing things up. When you draws up a plan and execute it accordingly does it means you change?
God's nature is that he is a covenant keeping God. That means he is faithful to his plan. That's an an attribute of unchangeable God. Gerrit?

In the OT, he says an eye for an eye. In the NT, he says turn the other cheek.
Is there anything more fickle than that. Which covenant is he keeping? How does this depict an omniscient being if he's all knowing but doesn't know that his laws would change years down the line?

OkCornel:
Yes I have copied and pasted stuff. But I also include links to give credit to the author and for the benefit of those who want to study indepth.

It's not appropriate to just paste them and give the impression it's my idea. It reeks of dishonesty.

Perhaps that wasn't your intention. But something you should consider going forward.

It's not a crime to copy and paste stuff. Just give credit to the author especially where it's copied word for word.

I give credit to authors. Just that I was in a hurry at that moment. I always give my sources especially in my topics. Thanks for the correction tho

OkCornel:
Let's break this down one by one;

1. Uzzah the Israelite that was killed was forewarned not to do so. Given he is not a Kohathite. Only Kohathites were permitted to touch the ark. Whatever his motives were, good or selfish - he was warned, he disobeyed, got the consequences

See Numbers 4 v 15 - “After Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy furnishings and all the holy articles, and when the camp is ready to move, only then are the Kohathites to come and do the carrying. But they must not touch the holy things or they will die. The Kohathites are to carry those things that are in the tent of meeting.

2. The children that mocked Elisha - well you need to learn a thing or two about Jewish culture. I'm not sure of your background if taunting elders is acceptable. There are severe repercussions for mocking God's prophet. Again, the emphasis/context is on what is acceptable or an abomination in JEWISH CULTURE

Leviticus 26 v 21-22;
21 “‘If you remain [b]hostile toward me[/b] and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve.
22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

Mind you, Leviticus 26 v 21-22 is part of the terms of the covenant which the Israelites agreed to in Deuteronomy just before they entered the promised land. Anyone circumcised is bound to the consequences of obedience and disobedience to the covenant.

3. As for the one killed for spilling his seed on the floor. The real issue is wickedness (not willing to continue his deceased brother's lineage - ancient cultural requirement back in the times). If he didn't want to impregnate the woman, why not free her to continue her life elsewhere? Why wed her but not impregnate her? Why keep her in bondage and deny her the joy of motherhood?

If you do not study the scripture in light and context of evolving culture and traditions over the timespan of the Old Testament and New Testament, you will hastily arrive at a wrong conclusion. Almost all scripture readers are guilty of this.

I believe those kids were derisive and not hostile. 2 different emotions. And most importantly, they are kids. If you judge kids that way, then I assure you, their generation woulda died off, because yahweh woulda slaughtered all of them on one whim or other.
I believe you know what coitus interruptus is. We practiced it in our single days and even married folks do that. So why did yahweh kill a man for that. I mean, he coulda warned them earlier.
And Er did not wed his sister in law, get it. He was just ordered by his dad to Bleep her.
Next question. Why did yahweh want to kill moses?
Why did he help Samson murder 30 random dudes just for their clothes, so Samson can pay off his bet?
And why were yahweh killing off his own people for complaining about food or other whim?
Isnt all this bloodthirsty?

falcon01:
There's no literally heaven or Hell. Everything Religious has to be taken with faith even if you saw nothing and religion said it is there then you just gotta have faith and believe. If there was a literal heaven it would have been seen pr reached, so it is metaphorical

Also know as a mental disease, specifically audiovisual hallucinations. A prime symptom of psychoses like schizophrenia, manic disorders and drugs

Tboy222:
. I only believe in God and not man.

Do u believe a man can heal a disease with yahweh's power?

Tboy222:
Jesus Christ would deliver you,his Love,grace,and blood is enough.

And may His Noodly Limbs deliver you from the crutches of the enemy

OkCornel:
Paste the link to this your write up first. So I'm sure there's no plagiarism here.

Busted;
https://www.adamhamilton.com/blog/gods-violence-in-the-old-testament-the-problem/

I'm dealing with someone who isn't;

1. Brave enough to present his ideas.
2. Copy and paste from blogs to present these ideas as his own.

I'd rather argue with the author of this content directly, than someone who can't present their ideas but run around copying and pasting stuff.

Im sure you have copied-pasted stuff here and nobody harassed you. If you decide to use that as an excuse to dodge, be my guest

OkCornel:
Were the people involved these unfortunate incidences forwarned of the consequences of their actions? Yes or No.

Or God just felt bored and wanted to kill people.

Obviously you know the answer. They weren't forewarned. The people that let the ark slip weren't forewarned. Even if they were, its an honest mistake, which can happen to anyone of us. The children that taunted Elijah were… well… kids. They didn't know the consequences of their actions. They just saw a bald man and decided to get some fun. Same action we woulda activated as kids. The dude that did coitus interruptus didn’t get any memo that it would be his last act.
So no, yahweh didn’t warn nobody

Tboy222:


Heaven is a place of rest and eternal glory assured to those who would believe by FAITH and not sight. emphasis on the word FAITH. it takes faith in Christ Jesus with works to prove.

Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe.

Do you believe I have the power to kill everyone on this planet?

Tboy222:


I don't know any spaghetti monster,u only know the Bible.

Why should I believe yahweh's bible when the Noodly Pasta tells me otherwise? I can't disobey him. Sorry

terrezo2002:
If you believe your story is true, why do want others to approve it for you?

Well, since its difficult for you to answer my question, I guess its time to call it a day on our discussion. Have a nice election day. Stay safe, bro

Tboy222:


No they are not,do you remember the part of the bible when father Abraham tells the rich man in Hell that even if God was to send someone from the dead they still would not believe.

Do you remember the part in The Flying Spaghetti Monster's Holy Creed where he said false doctrine from evil people would come up. He said we should ignore them. Do you?

waldigit:
Dispensation of Grace of Lord Jesus Christ.

So he changes during dispensations. So then he aint the Unchangeable Changer.Simple
And one more thing, didn't he foresee all those events as an omniscient being?