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gohf:
everyone of His child knows Him

Youre just talking gibberish. What father are you talking about?

gohf:
do they need help because they believe that if they do wrong they will be punished or they need help because they believe in doing the very good you claim to do?

They need help because its the promise of a punishment that is preventing them from sining

gohf:
isn't there?
A child desire to set something on fire

I will ask you again is it right for the child to burn millions worth of hard currency that could be use for many things

Okay. Lets me say its wrong, what are you trying to prove

gohf:
I never said nor did that

You have altered your Topic. But even at that, it is still insinuating atheism is a get out of jail card for sin

Jashub:
Oga Jesus really existed and he was spoken about by non-christian historians who didn't have a bias towards the religion. Secondly, why would you say Jesus didn't rise from the dead when it's pretty obvious that more than 500 people who saw him and died on account of their testimony.

Forgeries.
Those books were unashamedly forged. No wonder there was no mention of Jesus in mainstream History.

Abstract
The passage about Jesus Christ in Jewish historian Josephus’s writings has been debated for
centuries, as concerns its authenticity totally, partially or not at all. This brief “testimonium” is
proffered by Christian apologists as the “best evidence” for the historicity of Jesus, but it has
been declared many times to be a forgery in toto. A recent study by a renowned linguist confirms
this analysis of the entire passage as an interpolation by a Christian scribe, likely during the
fourth century or later.
Contents
Introduction
Narrative Anomaly
Christians or Chrēstiansς
Mutilation or Partial Interpolation?
Backgrounding and Foregrounding
Pilate Episodes
Piety, Not History
Crucifixion Blame
Time and Temporality
Emplotment and Gospels
Genre Difference
Nicene Creed
Conclusion
Bibliography
Introduction
Over the centuries, a passage in the works of the ancient Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities
18.3.3/63) has been held up as one of the few “proofs” of the biblical story of Jesus Christέ
During this time, numerous theologians, historians and other scholars have provided many
reasons to suspect that the passage—called the Testimonium Flavianum or “TF”—is a forgery or
interpolation either in part or wholly.

I have the complete pdfs if you're interested in reading.

Jashub:
Moral laws came from religion. That's a fact you cannot refute

Again did you read my posts, or you have dyslexia?

Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master. Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Titus 2:9-10.
Was Paul existing during the time of Judges?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet you could not present even one hahaha .

But they talked about it in the New Testament

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not God's Clay, so your telling is a waste.

So you supposedly created me? Thor?

Dtruthspeaker:
I will never allow any invalid argument so cry and lament all your life, it will still not make an invalid argument valid.

Image123:
In your words, Abraham, all the disciples and apostles were forced to work for and obey another and considered to be their property; an enslaved person, usually abducted, against their will. i am okay to be such a slave myself, enough said.

If you choose to be abducted and work without pay under harsh conditions, who am I to stop you?

Image123:
Quite possible if the supposed fairytale trumps everything that you believe in. Haven't you seen people jealous of fake life?

If you say so, bro

Image123:
So from what you are saying, there's no Hebrew word for servant in the Bible?

The notion of servants weren't available then, only slaves. If you have a contrary evidence, do show

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post! I did not say they did not steal or fornicate.

You don't have any thing to say.



You are just woefully clutching at at air because you have no reasonable counter to give. Even now, no one tells all those migrants crossing into Europe that it is wrong. The first thing that they are doing is to take care of them and settle them.

So this is God taking care of the slaves first.

So you don't have any thing to say.



exactly what people say when they don't have any thing to say because

"There is no valid argument against The Truth".

So just rest, there is no valid argument anyone can make.

Told you, didn't I?
Dude is so very predictable. Get him into a tight corner, and he plays his 'Change of post' card and runs away

Dtruthspeaker:
Arguments must be on point of the issueat all times and every deviation from the argument renders such argument invalid.

So, it is either you can give a direct answer to the issue or you can't. That is how a debate goes.



I am not trying to convince you, (I don't care about you) I am only having an argument and so far you are proving my case where I told you that you do not listen to people who you do not have relationship with.



It is even better for unlike the clay, God even listens to "His Clays" and even does what they ask for.

And ditto! We know that Potter-clay is meant to remind man of his place most especially as you people have gotten out of line exactly like a Good Landlord would remind a stupid tenant that he is a tenant.

We are going away from course, so back to the issue of slavery, if you have any reasonable and valid thing to say.

Just like I can tell Yahweh, 'hold on, remove your judgement don't condemn me and accuse me of murder, I wanna kill DTruthSpeaker'
And he listens to me

sotall:
You mean He thought they wouldn't listen to him if he told them not to own slaves?

But he told them not to commit adultery, lie, steal etc . Did that stop them from having the said relationship?

I guess you arrived at this opinion in a desperate attempt at defending this very disturbing moral pain point of Christianity.

And thousands of years passed since he first communicated with them and he never deemed it necessary to tell them it was time to stop slavery.


Talking about coming to them for a relationship?

According to the bible, is he not the one that created them in the first instance?
Is the relationship between Him and them not that of " a Potter and clay"?

He'll soon accuse you of 'Change of post' and scamper off. Watch out.
Dude is legendary

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not appreciate that He is dealing with people who already have slaves?

And He is the One Who came to them for a relationship, so is it not a case of if He does not like what He sees in them He can go?

And How can He can they listen to Him and be saved, if He does not have a relationship with them?

And when he said thou shalt not kill or lie or have other gods , were they not killing, lying and have other graven images before?
See its really tiring defending Yahweh and the Bible. I don't envy your job at all

Dtruthspeaker:
No it is not.

It is exactly like entering into a relationship with a person. You do not go in and immediately start throwing away all the things that person is accustomed to having.

It is exactly the same challenge the missionaries met with Africans when they came here and saw that Africans had more than 1 wife. They still brought Christianity to them and had relationships with them even though they had more than 1 wife.

And today, their work is done and a lot of people have 1 wife. So it is in Isreal such that by judges, you do not see a slave in Isreal which clearly means that God's plan of eradicating slavery was successful.

Monumental liar. There was slavery during the supposed era of New Testament. And besides your yahweh never said slavery was bad

Dtruthspeaker:
See yourself. Maltreatment is the core of slavery, if not you people will not be running to UK or Canada or Us offering yourselves up to be their slaves.



Now you lie, for no where did God say "sack a city and take the people there as slaves".

First things first, we are offering to be workers, not slaves. Slaves work without payment or contracts. That's not the situation there.
Deuteronomy 20:16–18, Moses gives these instructions: “As for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded.”

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass

KnownUnknown:
Exodus 21:
20 “When Jaephoenix strikes his slave Dtruthspeaker, allegedly male, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if Dtruthspeaker survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

You have Yahweh’s approval to beat the scumbag to within an inch of his life. Dtruthspeaker is your money. Not worth much but he is your money regardless.

And I'll oblige Yahweh and beat the Christ outta DTruthSpeaker. So help me yahweh

Image123:
What is the word used for slave in the Bible, what is the word used for servant in the Bible?

The original Hebrew word is ebed which translates to slave in English. Servant isn't the direct translation. Newer versions of the bible substituted servant there

No, it doesn't

LordReed:
Your choice of using children as an analogy is just wrong. You cannot use people who have no understanding of life as an example of the actions of moral agents ie children don't know enough yet. The goal of any parent should be to educate their child so that they can become agents of moral good. It won't matter what you believe if you are an agent of moral good. So to answer your question, being an atheist doesn't give one an excuse to be wicked.

I think being a theist has a way of making one irrational and illogical

tola9ja:
I saw this with my EYES in IBADAN less than 15minutes AGO...

THE NAME OF ALLAAH, ALLAAH ON A MORINGA TREE..

All praise is to ALLAAH.

Allah be praised. When was this carved?

MaxInDHouse:
The post below has addressed your question.



The only little addition i want to make is that when someone is acting in contrary to the things he knows that is right instantly from that moment he will begin to feel tormented each time he see what makes the wickedness in his heart becomes obvious to everyone, that is why God will not forgive them because instead of working towards adjustment in order to free their conscience they will start nursing a grudge against the source of light that's exposing them! John 3:19

So if your conscience doesn't disturb you with whatever anyone says you're not sinning against God's Holy Spirit even though you claim to be an atheist. But from the moment you become uncomfortable with a message to the point of attacking the messenger then watch yourself something is wrong with you.

As an atheist you should feel relaxed after all you don't believe in the existence of any sky daddy (God) so what's your business with whatever those talking for their sky daddy thinks, say or do?
As long as they're not stopping you from eating your bread my friend you have no business with whatever they're saying!

I want to ask a simple question….
Do you talk about Muslims or other religions?

SeniorMan715:
When they have seen the truth and hardened their heart or refused to accept it.

Be more specific, sir

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

More like an ignorant bot

AntiChristian:
Still amazed how he comments arrogantly in ignorance!
This knowledge is everywhere, how won't he know?

Like many Christians, their heads are stuck in the sand

Jashub:
Call it whatever you want , but I believe the bible because Jesus believed in it too. Besides that, Jesus really existed and historians actually have records of his existence.

Secondly, I have a personal policy of believing anything from anyone who dies and rises from grave after three days . In fact , I'll believe whatever he say ...but that's just me

Lol. And I thought I was discoursing with a cerebral guy.
1. Which historians said Jesus existed? The only record of his existence were from Christian scholars who had no evidence.
2. And even if he existed, there was no evidence he died and resurrected. No such events exist in world history

Jashub:
Check history. You'll see that religion play a crucial role in establishing laws . So don't be ignorant

I didn’t say its a lie, i even showed in the article you where religious sources are used as law. But if you were attentive enough, you'll read in my post about the flaws in that notion. Before such laws were made, morals were created

terrezo2002:

God is holy. He wants you to bee holy. You left God because He wants you to be holy. Holiness is not difficult. Just humble yourself before God.

I'm humbling myself so we can try the Holly Pvssy strip club at Ikoyi

terrezo2002:
Chai! No wonder you want to do everything to silence any thoughts of God. Repent before it is too late for you. Jesus Christ is calling you

And I told you his phone call was for us to try the strip club in Ikoyi