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Image123:
No it is not. It is just the result of crass decisions made by people who either cannot think much or who have selfish ulterior motives. In few months, it'll fizzle out again.

First smart thing you have said since I know you

FxMasterz:
If that's how you see it.
What I've been telling you is simple. if a previous method didn't give you the answers you seek, apply another method. No one can help anyone answer the questions of life. The best anyone can do for you is to provide guidance.

Like what method?

terrezo2002:
You ended your statement by saying you are an atheist and you don't attend Nigerin Catholic churches. Let me know when you start to attend Catholic churches and then you can boldly tell me what they preach or believe in.

… and you ignored the part I said other parts of the world preach it. But you are concentrating only on Nigeria, as if its the only Catholics in the world.

2elliot:
It has begun. Someone (a white guy) mentioned that the 7yrs tribulation would likely start in 2023. The world is going cashless. That is the fundamental agenda of this money economic issues in Nigeria, and systematically across the world. Digital IDs are being forced upon the whole earth right now. Countries are in a haste to implement it. Life as we knew ended with the appearance of covid19. Globalist luciferians are in a haste to bring their 1984 Orwellian rule. The antichrist is here already and his minions are at work.

Praise the Lord

FxMasterz:
I'm not here to answer your questions bro. That's because you're the only one who can answer yourself. I'm only nudging you to have a shift in methodology since you said you all atheists tried in the past and returned empty.

I guess this means no to all my questions.
Alright then

terrezo2002:
I asked a question. Do you see Catholics preaching it?

Bro, you started off by saying catholics don't accept big bang. Now you've changed to catholics don't preach big bang? Stop being smart

This is an excerpt from a top catholic literature overseen by the Holy See

A recent article in OnePeterFive proposes that the Big Bang theory, – to be explained shortly – is a pagan proposition, replete with Gnostic overtones. One must be cautious here (and the author himself seems so, preferring apparently to remain anonymous). Just because a given scientific theory (or even religious truth) shares something with paganism, does not make it false. The Epic of Gilgamesh has a creation and flood story, even a sort of ‘fall’, as do any number of other ancient lores. As Saint Paul declared, the pagan world was not devoid of truth, and they have held dim echoes of the fullness of truth, in the generations soon after Adam, lost in the mist of time.

But to our point at hand: There in nothing ‘un-Catholic’ in the Big Bang, and much that is decidedly consistent with Catholicism, the theory itself being formulated by a Catholic priest, and championed by a Catholic pope

https://catholicinsight.com/the-big-bang-and-creation/

Next source… this is the excerpt

Yesterday, Pope Francis, the head of the Roman Catholic Church, said that Darwinian evolution is real, and so is the Big Bang, according to the Telegraph. Elsewhere in his speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope said:
“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.
He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pope-would-you-accept-evolution-and-big-bang-180953166/

They preach these things, especially in foreign catholic churches, from what I can see. Obviously I'm an atheist, so I don't attend Nigerian catholic churches, so have no idea what new bullshit they are dropping on their heads. But from the above, you can deduce the Catholic Church loves not just the big bang, but evolution. And they are tryna integrate it into the creation story. In the next 50 years, they would throw away that fairy tale of creation entirely.

FxMasterz:
1. They found what you didn't find.
2. To know whether they're lying or not, experiment on their systems and see where it leads.

Bro, it looks like you like repeating yourself. I don't like repeating myself.
Please answer my question and stop this echolalic statements

FxMasterz:
For question 1, knowing the original of anything takes time and study. We must apply this rule to our search.

For question 2, you can't follow my rules, neither can you follow yours. If you must seek God, you must seek Him according to His own rules.

This is fast turning into a circular argument, which is my problem with theists.
What god rules are you talking about, AND HOW DO WE KNOW ITS FROM GOD?

FxMasterz:
Anyone relying on hearsay is a fool bro.
Don't assume that people are doing what they're doing based on hearsay. Nobody wants to fool himself when it comes to these things.
You should understand and accept that some people have found or seen things you never found or saw.
And you see, it happens in real life. We can watch the same events, and yet we could end up seeing different things in that same event.
I think coming to a conclusion that people are running their lives on hearsay is too fast.

Good. So
1. What did those people find or see?
2. How do we know they are telling the truth?
Please answer these 2 questions, follow-ups are on their way, when you're done answering these. Thank You

FxMasterz:
Bro, there are scammers everywhere but that doesn't mean anyone is a scammer. The problem is that scammers are many in this world. Counterfeits are always surplus but the originals are few.
I understand as you said that Atheists have made their own efforts before coming to a conclusion. But, while making those efforts, whose rule did they follow?

1. So which is the correct one out of those scammers?
2. How do we know your own 'rule' is the correct one?

Maynman:
Science is perfect it’s scientists that are evolving, and the reason they are evolving is because once they see new facts, data and evidence they accept it and not remain Dogmatic like theists.
Science is the best explanation to understanding man’s history, it deals with facts and not logic.

Homo sapiens, homo erectus….etc are established FACTS.

You are welcome.

I wish there is a HyperLike button. Seun look into this

FxMasterz:
Personally I don't think we can rely on science for understanding man's history. Science itself isn't perfect, that's why it continues to evolve.

Anyway, thanks for your input.

So what should we rely on? Hearsays, like the one you're proposing?

Also the catholic church has accepted evolution as a concept, after realizing creationism is a lie? Though they are having problems marrying the two concepts

terrezo2002:
The fact that the person who proposed the big bang theory is a Catholic doesn't mean Catholic church accepted it.
Or have you heard any Catholic preaching it anywhere in their church?

Did you read the part the then Pope accepted it into the church? Or you developed acute visual loss during the part of that text?

terrezo2002:
Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In Nigeria currently, people are groaning because there is no cash to withdraw. This has caused a lot of pains and trauma to Nigerians. Now imagine if you are not able to buy or sell anything unless you are given a devilish mark.
This time is coming soon to the whole world. It is the time of the antichrist. It is a time of great distress and great tribulations such as never been since the world was created.
It is good you don't take part of it. Escape with the flight of rapture.

You guys are wonderful.
Did anybody demand for a mark before any transactions?
That was how you rabble rousers started when BVN, credit cards, SIM cards came. Don't y'all get tired of all this?

guysbewise:
1. You not wanting to put a Bible under the pillow does not mean it does not work, The truth is that it works.
2. Do a research on the inventor of the cathode ray which later led to the TV and you will find that he was involved with the spirit world.
3. "The link between Kabbalah and quantum physics:
The kabbalists created an elaborate system to explain how the universe was sustained by divine energy flowing from an unknowable Godhead.
In his book, he uses concepts such as information theory to recast kabbalistic insights in scientific terminology. Or as the motto on the cover of the book puts it, “In the beginning, God created information…” Source: https://www.thejc.com/judaism/features/the-creative-link-between-kabbalah-and-quantum-physics-1.481174

The spirit world does exist and there are people who can communicate with the spirit world.

1. ..and I just told you those patients used all that before presenting to the hospital. Or do you think they had the experience and came straight to the hospital? An average Nigerian never first comes to the hospital when they have sleep paralysis or any mental issues. They usually exhaust spiritual means

2. This is from my research on cathode ray invention.

Cathode rays were discovered by Julius Plücker and Johann Wilhelm Hittorf.[14] Hittorf observed that some unknown rays were emitted from the cathode (negative electrode) which could cast shadows on the glowing wall of the tube, indicating the rays were traveling in straight lines. In 1890, Arthur Schuster demonstrated cathode rays could be deflected by electric fields, and William Crookes showed they could be deflected by magnetic fields. In 1897, J. J. Thomson succeeded in measuring the charge-mass-ratio of cathode rays, showing that they consisted of negatively charged particles smaller than atoms, the first "subatomic particles", which had already been named electrons by Irish physicist George Johnstone Stoney in 1891. The earliest version of the CRT was known as the "Braun tube", invented by the German physicist Ferdinand Braun in 1897.[15] It was a cold-cathode diode, a modification of the Crookes tube with a phosphor-coated screen. Braun was the first to conceive the use of a CRT as a display device.[16]

In 1908, Alan Archibald Campbell-Swinton, fellow of the Royal Society (UK), published a letter in the scientific journal Nature, in which he described how "distant electric vision" could be achieved by using a cathode-ray tube (or "Braun" tube) as both a transmitting and receiving device.[17] He expanded on his vision in a speech given in London in 1911 and reported in The Times[18] and the Journal of the Röntgen Society.[19][20]

The first cathode-ray tube to use a hot cathode was developed by John Bertrand Johnson (who gave his name to the term Johnson noise) and Harry Weiner Weinhart of Western Electric, and became a commercial product in 1922.[21] The introduction of hot cathodes allowed for lower acceleration anode voltages and higher electron beam currents, since the anode now only accelerated the electrons emitted by the hot cathode, and no longer had to have a very high voltage to induce electron emission from the cold cathode.[22]

Did you see any allusion to spiritual source? No, sir

3. Took my sweet time and was researching on Kabbalah. Bro, mysticism is a non-scientific field. It cannot be proven to be true.
And by the way, how can one man's book be the gospel truth, when it hasn't undergone any research or experiment to determine if Kabbalah is actually linked to science? So because he says so, then it must be the truth. Do you know how many fallacies you have committed?

Bro, I deal in hard core data.
Gimme data and leave old wives tales, I beg of you

expert234:
Yeah. Witches are real

One word: Proof

Ken4Christ:
Jesus loves you. Accept him as your Lord and Saviour and join the family of the new supermen on earth.

One day, we will fly to heaven.

I have been flying to heaven on several occasions.

Dtruthspeaker:
You really are mad o! I did say that trading has not completely stopped nor did I say that it was impossible for the other channels to work, yet you missed it! Hmm

Read your heading , it clearly said '… Hardness of buying and selling'
And I debunked it by saying people still do transactions

terrezo2002:
Everything you said is false. We can continue the conversation when you have the right knowledge. Good bye

While the Big Bang is as old as the universe itself, our concept of it is still strikingly new — less than 100 years old. And if you dig into its origins, you come across a curious fact.

Atheists, devout Christians, you might want to sit down for this: The Big Bang theory was first proposed by a Roman Catholic priest.

It wasn't just any priest. It was Monseigneur George Lemaître, a brilliant Belgian who entered the priesthood following his service as an artillery officer in the Belgian army during World War I. He was also an accomplished astronomer and a talented mathematician and physician. After earning his graduate degree in astronomy from the University of Cambridge in England, he came to Boston and spent a year at the Harvard College Observatory before earning his doctorate at MIT

In the early 1950s, Pope Pius XII not only declared that the big bang and the Catholic concept of creation were compatible; he embraced Lemaître's idea as scientific validation for the existence of God and of Catholicism.


Source
https://www.wgbh.org/news/post/big-bang-theory-roman-catholic-creation#:~:text=In%20the%20early%201950s%2C%20Pope,of%20God%20and%20of%20Catholicism.

I hate having arguments with people like you and Dliespeaker. You don't know anything but you make the loudest noise.
Sies!

Dtruthspeaker:
See yourself! First you said



After I countered, and said that was a miracle you then shifted post to say



And now that I pointed out your madness of calling a medical miracle a disease you have yet shifted again to say
"The fact that we said someone cannot walk, doesn't mean the person cannot walk again" where you had said "can't happen"

Do you see how crazy you look and sound?

First, before you reply me, I expected a right thinking person to read up what idiopathic means, but this is Dliespeaker, one of the dumbest theists to draw breath, so he doesn't care.
Idiopathic in medical science basically means, we dont know for now the etiology of a disease. There are also spontaneous remissions(sr) which means some disease(especially cancers ) get cured without drugs. Now before you god-of-the-gap sr and start shouting 'miracle', it happens to christians, Muslims, atheists. So choose your poison. Science is still researching these sr phenomena. There has been many phenomena that has been attributed to supernatural interventions in the past, but has been found to be quite natural. Example, epilepsy, sleep paralysis, schizophrenia etc. All the above were thought to be demon oriented, til science found plausible causes and treatment that worked. Imagine in these days, people like you still think they are supernatural oriented

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not say buying and selling has come to a halt but it has greatly impeded trading most especially as many of the other popular alternatives all seem to have stopped working at the same time leaving people pursuing those things called new notes.

People still buy and sell with transfers and other channels. Talk another one

FxMasterz:
They can choose to relate with us the way they please. You're the one who calls it 'hide and seek' because of your limited experience. My question to you is that, have you ever sought for God? Also, why do you think God must seek you or deliberately show Himself to you without seeking Him?

Remember in the bible and other 'sacred books', those gods spoke directly to their subjects. Even sent them blessings and curses directly. They saw action, first hand!
Now what is happening? Hearsays! And from these hearsays, pastors, imans, etc scam these gullible people, using the religion to scam them.
And talking of seeking god, you think atheists haven't tried all those stuffs and came up empty?

FxMasterz:
That's an assumption. How come human beings speak to the supposed God in prayers and still believes He hears. You can't speak to someone you don't see except you know for sure He exists. The first humans weren't fulls. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I've not written this for argument sake anyway. Just to introduce some new line of thoughts. I do not have any doubt as touching what I believe.
Thanks for your input.

Do you know there are thousands of gods during the ages of polytheism? And these gods were spread throughout the ages, from the Scandinavians(Thor), Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Greeks(Zeus) etc. Did any of those gods speak to them? No. They even sacrificed people when no god told them to. Only high priests who claim to be spokespeople of those gods give them orders that 'thus says the gods'.
Thus they are foools, contrary to your views.

A001:
You invited me to a silly thread, claimed I said something I didn't say, and when I asked you to quote where I said so, you replied with the same post where I challenged you to back your claim with a proof.

It's obvious you're suffering from a brain disorder. This forum needs a block button. Public nuisance like you and the dolt that created this thread should blocked.

You are severely mentally cretarded. Reread that post and explain it to yourself. How does it sound to you? Was that initial post even addressed to me?

terrezo2002:
Lol. Science itself will not make sense without God the creator.
Your science told you the whole creation came as a result of a big bang theory. If this is what you believe, then what you learnt in school is total crap and you should regret going to school.

Actually, the big bang was advocated by theists. In fact the catholic church believes it, and even accepts evolution.
And how did your god make sense of science when the said science doesn't prove god? You well so?

Dtruthspeaker:
That desperate! You mean you call a situation in which doctors had said a person would NEVER walk again only for the person to one day start walking, an unknown disease? Gosh what a desperation

Understand how science work. The fact that we said someone cannot walk, doesn't mean the person cannot walk again. We say he or she cannot walk based on subsistence science because another doctor in another environment can make him walk, with better science. Especially in an advanced country.
Same with when we give somebody expected days to live. Our individual prognoses may differ based on subsisting scientific prowess.
In fact when a doctor gives his/her prognosis, and the patient goes for a second opinion, its still medical science that helps that same patient overcome the previous prognosis. A better medical science.
So come off your ignorance

guysbewise:
In response to your post I have opened this thread to address it here.

Why is it that keeping a Bible under the pillow day and night all the time stops sleep paralysis? This is because the Psalms in the Old Testament are very powerful.

Science itself is witchcraft. Research can improve an invention but coming up with the first invention of complex technologies involves knowledge from the spirit world.
Here is a documentary by a white man on some scientific inventions that involved communications with the spirit world. It says in the second video that the world of modern Physics is dominated by Jewish theorists, and it goes on to say that modern Physics often puts forward theories which have come straight from the pages of the Jewish Kabbalah.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gGzTTx_QqM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYznDBC_fQk

1. Bible under the pillow doesn't work. Its anecdotal evidence, not proven evidence.
2. No, science isn't witchcraft. I assume you know the definition of both terms. There is no meeting point or common ground because everything in science is proven and can be proven anywhere, anytime and anyhow. Not so with witchcraft.
3. Have you seen any scientist quote knowledge from the spirit world? How do spirits give knowledge?
4. Can you name the Jewish theorists?

All in all, your deposition is just wild speculations and no hard facts, which is the mainstay of science.
About sleep paralysis, I have managed some cases in that regard, its mainly benzodiazepines and other sedatives we use. No bible under the pillow, no fasting and praying, and of course, no bullshit

FxMasterz:
I think we can get somewhere with this.
Frankly speaking, no one has the records of what the first humans worshipped. Our ancestors who were polytheists were still a later generation. Yet, we can still make judgement on their basis because at least they're theists, and we can safely say that theism was handed down to them by their predecessors.
For the first humans, we cannot talk about education because they wouldn't have needed it. These set of people would definitely see, touch and know whatever they were worshipping for them to have passed it down to all human race. We're the ones who need education because we don't know what they knew. All our religious education or research should be geared towards knowing what they knew. Or towards seeing what they saw.

This is very strong because they wouldn't pass down religion without having a cogent reason for doing so. I'm very sure that the first humans who passed it down didn't do so as a fabrication because there'll be nothing to gain from such. If atheism was the root, then we can discard religion because, if the first humans saw nothing, the human race would worship nothing, and it would be very difficult for anyone to convince anybody to worship something that does not exist.

Religion came from ignorance. The first man saw the earth, lightning, water etc and decided they must be created. And they decided there has to be a higher being who they had to complain to. Thus prayers were born. No god revealed anything

FxMasterz:
Bro, religion dates far into man's distant past. The first humans have a better understanding of these things than we whose religious histories have been majorly lost, and what we now call religion generally is a metamorphosis.

First, we need to understand that no one invented religion. It was actually in our roots. The first ancestors worshiped something or someone. Then, several generations afterwards, that something or someone became less known since everything at the time was passed down through oral history.

Then cane a generation that does not know what to worship but know they must worship something or someone as their fathers did, resulting in a mutiplicity of gods as everyone worships what he seems fit.

Generations later, some people are asking 'Is there really a God? Is there really an Afterlife?' if we have traceable records, I'm 100% certain we'll find the first Atheist who ever lived. This means the human race didn't take off in Atheism and then plunged itself into religion as we have it today. The Agnostics are themselves confused because they don't know what to believe.

The whole argument would have been easier if we have ancient records of things from the earliest man but the very lack of this is the reason why we all have disagreements.

However, even if such ancient records exist, many would still doubt such records. There are those who'll call them Fabrications. And of course, there are those unscrupulous elements who'll try to do mischievous forgeries and scripts for some personal gains at the expense of others.

Logically looking at it all, the begining wasn't atheism. That's fact. The first humans were theists. That should point us to some truths. They evidently were theists because they knew or even saw what they worshipped.
They also knew why they were worshipping him, it or them. They've passed the concept down to the entire human race who have now lost the identity of what was worshipped, and now the confusion.

Except we can prove that Atheism was the first thing humans ever did before veering into religion, we cannot safely void this kind of reasoning.

So if whatever the ancestors were worshipping showed themselves to our ancestors, how come they have been doing hide-and-seek with us? Shyness?

A001:
You're dumber than the religious people you criticize. A stupid person like you has no moral right to condemn any religious person because you're as foolish as them making claims yet when asked to provide proof, you're bringing irrelevant comments.

Youre as dumb as they come. How did you manage to read and write?

Carcholce:
Dtruthspeaker!!!

You just confirmed my thoughts about you. 😭😭

Please don’t ask me what are my thoughts about you. You’ll cry too if I tell you.

Bro, say no more. That dude has some severe psychosis I'm trying to manage