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tctrills:
I just explained it to you. You are not getting it. For a book to have been tampered with like the bible for over 3000 years and yet reflects its core message and integrity is super amazing. Again by reading the bible and understanding its message, you would understand most of the verses you find contradictory.

Other 'holy books' have been translated and tampered it, doesn't make them any powerful. A book is as powerful as how its followers portray it. Qoran is powerful, as thought by Muslims. And they believe it cures all sickness etc. Same as Christians view the Bible. Same as other religions view their holy books. Its all paper

Aemmyjah:
What has science got to do with confirming an event of almost 5000 years?
Besides, remember that the Earth is covered with 70% of water

Because confirming events require scientific resources

Aemmyjah:
He's in Uyo
He can't see us but figures of who is standing before him
Any herbs or medicine to prescribe?

I don't do herbs obviously. He should do basic vitals like blood pressure and fasting blood sugar. That should determine if he has an underlying hypertension or diabetes mellitus which can cause it. And I don't even know the type of glaucoma. Wait, how does he know its glaucoma, and not other eye diseases

Guontey:
And how does this appear I'm talking about epidemiology? Take it easy, dude. This is just maths, not epidemiology. It doesn't carry with it all those intricacies you have in your post above. Prevalance in Bayesian statistics is different from prevalence in epidemiology.

I'm not a mathematician or statistician. Just a physician. And we speak from an epidemiological view

tctrills:
Let's just say you don't understand the bible. I agree with you that it has some contradictions but that is expected from any text that has been in use for over 3000 years and has seen so many translations.Thr bible, both the old testament and new have been the most used text for a few thousand years.
While some see these few contradictions and decide it's false others see the entire message and it's blessings.

Whoa. Theists are wonderfully made truly
I just showed verses clearly and succinctly contradicting each other, and your reply is I don't understand the Bible
Bro, can you show me my misunderstanding?
So you're now blaming the translators for the contradictions. Do you know that the original Greek versions have the same contradictions and errors? Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Talking monkey, your stupidity is legendary. You said diseases wiped out people in Africa and now I showed you that many families have been living for centuries, now you have shifted post to medical intervention.

You don't have any valid thing to say.

This is what I wrote

Are you aware Africa had some deadly viral attacks which wiped out many people? From Ebola, Lassa etc. These aren't in Western countries
Which happens to be the truth. Now I don't want to talk about my medical experience in managing these cases, but I'll get credible data for you.

The more people are infected and contagious, the more people will die. Here's a simple calculation that explains this: In the largest Ebola outbreak in West Africa, there were 28,616 cases of Ebola virus disease and 11,310 deaths, for a death rate of 39.5% (low compared to historic death rates for Ebola Zaire).31 Jul 2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronavirusfrontlines/2020/07/31/why-is-covid-19-more-deadly-than-ebola-an-infectious-disease-doctor-explains/?sh=795344d6f734

Also In the past four decades, a total of 34 EVD outbreaks affecting 34 356 cases and causing 14 823 deaths were reported in 11 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa
https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/3/e001955

For Lassa fever, the number of Lassa virus infections per year in West Africa is estimated at 100,000 to 300,000, with approximately 5,000 deaths. Unfortunately, such estimates are crude, because surveillance for cases of the disease is not uniformly performed. In some areas of Sierra Leone and Liberia, it is known that 10%-16% of people admitted to hospitals every year have Lassa fever, which indicates the serious impact of the disease on the population of this region.

https://africacdc.org/disease/lassa-fever/

I could go on, but its boring and an overkill. Besides dumbos like you wouldn't understand the gravity of the issue. You'll still quote me with an inanely stupid reply

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you not the fool who was stupid full enough to raise this stupid analogy?

You are getting more and more stupid an apey each time you come against me, soon you would evolve to the non speaking monkey.

Lol. I didn't raise any analogy

Dtruthspeaker:
See you stupid self. You stupidly say there was cancer in Nigeria before the 80's but you could not name any one who had it. Only to switch to cancer detection and prevention which I did not ask you. You just open your mouth to display that you are a universal fool.

Lol. I should name people that died of cancer before 80s? I just told you Nigerians die of cancer ish before 80s but because of poor diagnostic tools we either don't diagnose it early or miss it completely, and only know the diagnosis post-mortem (for those that they manage to do their pathological exam).
Your question is akin to asking for the name of Nigerians that died of malaria before we have thick and thin slide detection with Giemsa. Its just plain stupid.
But I'll attempt to chasten your stupidity by telling you that Nigeria started cancer registration in 1960. This is to correctly enumerate the cancer incidence here even though we were still backwards in detection.
In Nigeria, cancer registration began in 1960 with the first cancer registry located within the Pathology Department of the University College Hospital Ibadan, in South Western Nigeria. Cancer incidence data from this registry were included in the first three volumes of Cancer Incidence in five continents (CIV) for the time periods 1960–1962, 1960–1965, and 1960–1969 (20). Edington and Mclean published the first paper on the cancer profile in Nigeria with data from the Ibadan cancer registry in the British Journal of Cancer in 1965 . All through this period, the Ibadan Cancer Registry was the only population-based cancer registry in Nigeria contributing data to CIV. Cancer incidence data from this registry were published for the time periods 1960–1962, 1960–1965, and 1960–1969 in the first three volumes of Cancer Incidence in 5 Continents (CIV).
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/in-nigeria-cancer-cases-rising-despite-advancements-in-management/
There is also an organization commenced to do research on cancer cases found in Nigeria. This is Nigerian Cancer Society. On October 12, 1968, the Nigerian Cancer Society (NCS) was founded with the objective to assist in the development of facilities for diagnosis and treatment of cancer, to educate the public on ther problems of cancer, and to conduct research in all aspects of cancer. Since its founding, the society has expanded beyond the original founding town of Ibadan, and branches now exist in six geo-political zones of Nigeria.

Also because of the high volume of stupidly ignorant people like you, Nigeria has one of the highest cancer mortality rates in the world, with approximately four out of five cases resulting in death, according to the Global Cancer Observatory. There is lack or no efficient public policy on cancer issues in Nigeria where about 10,000 cancer deaths are recorded annually with 250,000 new cases recorded yearly.


Bro, your stupid ignorance is getting bolder and stronger. Do something about it

tctrills:
These are verses you don't understand or verses you don't believe?

Verses that clearly contradicted each other. How can a divinely inspired book be so full of contradictions and confusions?

Now, to explain more and not bore you, I have to say this.
The christian faith is centred on gospel of Jesus and Jewish history as narrated in the bible. The account of Jesus's life and all his theological teachings stem directly from the Genesis creation narrative, Noah flood, Israelite exodus, and Babylonia exile down to the birth of the so called messiah. But since it is found that many of the accounts have no basis in history, how come Christians still hold onto their faith? In the face of reality, vividly exposing that the accounts and narratives from Genesis till the end is fiction, and the characters captured in the entire bible are legends, on what exactly are Christians rooting their faith? Are Christians really trusting on folktales to bring them heaven/paradise they hope for?

The bible accounts, as interesting as it sound have no single basis in history. The creation story, many churches have accepted that it is metaphoric or philosophical which shouldn't be taken as happening at a historic time or place. The catholic and many Christian denominations admitted that the story of Adam and Eve is more allegorical, specially designed for theological purposes, without any basis in history. The Noah and the global flooding account too have no basis in history. Up till this moment, not a single shred of evidence have been found to buttress there was any global flooding on this planet. The global flooding and ark narration have so many parallels which further exposes the mythical nature of the account, having no basis in history. Up till date, no single shred of evidence have been presented that Noah or his Ark existed.

One of the story I loved back then as a child is the Exodus. The account detail Israelis enslavement in Egypt, emancipation by Moses, sojourn through the wilderness and the military campaign that rounded up Canaan. Findings have shown that the whole Exodus is pure work of fiction, not having any fact. There is no Moses, Israelite were never in or enslaved in Egypt, Pharaoh and his people were not plagued by any Yahweh, the Red sea was not parted, the wildernesses sojourn have no basis in history, and Canaan was not overran by Israel military forces. Archaeological evidence revealed that all the accounts about Israel in the bible is myth.

The monarchy reign of David and Solomon in the United kingdom of Israel is all false. Archaeological findings expose that Israel is a small clan in Canaan, having no king. There is no evidence or traces of the Solomon temple. The captivity by Babylon is more reconstructions of facts though. However, the bible rather provides half truth laced with propaganda which makes the whole account unacceptable as historical fact.

The Jesus account is majorly work of fiction. While many would argue that there is a historical personality known as Jesus as recorded by Apostle Paul, Gospels, and non Christian sources like Josephus and Tacitus, the fact remains that these are not eye witness account which can easily be dismissed. The earliest manuscript that recorded the person of Jesus is written somewhere around 60yrs after Jesus crucifixion. The gospel of Matthew, Luke and John all copied from accounts in the book of Mark. The authorship of the gospel of Mark is a subject if debate. However, the general consensus among the scholars is that whoever wrote the gospel of Mark is not providing an eye witness account but simply relaying heavily distorted traditions.

The Zombies invasion and the wingless ascension of Jesus is a popular incidence which would supposedly be witnessed by many people, but no one expect in the gospels wrote about it. Josephus and Tacitus mentioned that a person called Jesus or Christ but left out the major events recorded in the gospel. Josephus original writings has not been found, and scholars argued that the word 'Jesus' found in the Testimonium Flavianum is Christian interpolation. Tacitus was born 25yrs after the death of Jesus. None of this writings provided an eye witness account. They are majorly tradition with no factual basis.

The gospels have loads of inconsistency and contradictions. Apostle Paul admitted he learned the creed. As a matter of fact, Paul's sister and nephew were converted Christians before he converted. He also confessed he met with James and Peter for days, many years after his conversion. So it is nothing new, Paul converted base on tradition he was told to.

At a point, Paul questioned the basis of his faith, exactly what I wanted Christians to do. Apostle Paul, who didn't met Jesus or witnessed his death queried if Jesus truly died and resurrected. He questioned the historicity of Jesus crucifixion, noting with doubt that his faith and missionary job is in vain if peradventure there is no Jesus that died and resurrected. The inquiry furthermore buttressed that Paul only knew the traditional story of Jesus, and not the historical fact. Reason he added that one should find and stick to truth only.

My questions to people who are Christians, how do you keep onto faith knowing that all the narration recorded in the bible have no basis in history? Where exactly is the confidence of hope drawn from knowing that the Bible stories are fables having no substances in history? How can you strongly trust that a Jesus who never exist as accounted would take you to heaven/paradise? What is the basis of your faith; historical fairies or historical facts?

I can go on, but lemme pause and get more feedback from you

tctrills:
You have not proven the bible 5o be a scam and the stories are not coined from Gilgamesh.

Alright this is gonna be long, but I'll try and summarize.

Below are the bible hypocrisies and contradictions
1. The first book on this list is Exodus 20:13 according to the Good News version which says "Do not commit murder."

On the same book, Exodus 32:27 says "And he said to them, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor."

2. Genesis 32:30 says "Jacob said, I have seen God face-to-face, and I am still alive; so he named the place Peniel."

But John 1:18 says “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

3. Ephesians 2: 8-9 says "For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God."

James 2:24 says "You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone."

4. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Job 1:1 says "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one that feared God, and turned away from evil."

5. Deuteronomy 27:22 says "Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen!’"

But according to Wikipedia, the Bible and other sources, Abraham and his sister Sarah were married and their marriage was blessed.

6. Matthew 10:34 says "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

John 16:33 says "I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me. The world will make you suffer. But be brave! I have defeated the world!"

7. Proverbs 26:4 says "Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him."

Proverbs 26:5 says "Answer a fool according to his foolishness, or he will think himself to be wise."

8. Genesis 17:10 says "Here is my covenant that you are to observe, between me and you and your descendants: Every male among you is to be circumcised.”

Galatians 5:2 says "Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, the Messiah will be of no benefit to you.”

crystalmoon:
Instead of answering my questions all I see is atheism vs theism
Was this thread opened for argument

If you scroll up, you'll see my answer for you, which this clown, DTruthSpeaker cannot counter

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why I have laid the 2 I have observed in those countries which was there since the 80's before you people imported here which is
1) hunger and extreme poverty
2) inability to marry.

Ehen and cancer. It is you people who brought the Curse of the disease called cancer. We never had cancer in the 80's.

Ehen then Aids which "they say" came from the curse of homosexuality and bestialiity and na una carry am come. E no go better for una at all. You na go die looong and too slow.

Lol.
This guy…
Your a comedy relief.
You observed hunger, extreme poverty and inability to marry in Western countries? Lol. Youre the epitome of the failed educational system in Nigeria
Bro who told you there's no cancer in Nigeria and Africa before 80s? Lol
What we have now is easier and quicker cancer detection. Its not it wasn't here before. These days we advocate prevention like Pap smear(which detects cervical cancer), mammogram and breast scan(for breast cancer), PSA(for prostate cancer) etc. These are routinely checked once you clock 40 or 50 and picks up the cancers easily. Back in those days people die of 'mysterious diseases' which they (of course) attributed to jazz and village people. But now we know better.
About AIDS, its no curse since it kills christians too who got it innocently(from infected instrumentation and blood, and sex from spouses). So how can the 'curse' from your all-loving god affect his own children too?

Dtruthspeaker:
And our families (or maybe your family was wiped out and you are just a new one) but I know many families who span many generations back who have been living well before these Curses came. So No Road!

Bro, your ignorance of scientific matters is disheartening.
Ebola, Lassa, Dengue spared Africa because of medical intervention. Ribovarin helped us to survive Lassa, even though pocket outbreaks occur, they are still contained. These viral diseases are almost tropical because of their distinctive zoonotic spread. So if Africa is blessed, why are these viruses almost epidemiologically concentrated here. Don't forget we have a huge patient load of HIV, compared to the rest of the world

Dtruthspeaker:
You are a waste of life. How can you explicitly say that I am wrong because people travel there everyday? So because people are kidnapped everyday therefore banditry is good? You no well at all!

What has your analogy got to do with our discourse? Its either you lack a concise sense of reasoning or youre just dull

Dtruthspeaker:
Which we were never involved in until you people started frolicking with those cursed people.

To think that we were the ones with the best results by having the lowest fatality even where they prophecies that we would have it worse.

God shamed them woefully!

God definitely Rules!

I dont know what you mean by 'frolicking with those cursed people'. The world is a global village and people of all cultures mix.
And who prophesied that Africa would have it worse? Just because Melinda Gates, a woman without a single medical degree said Africa would be worse and it didn't happen, y'all chalked it up to divine intervention. Shes not even a scientist. No scientific body, FDA, CDC etc made that prediction. If you don't understand how covid works why don't you ask questions? Covid is not fatal in young people, it kills only the old with co-morbidities like diabetes, heart and kidney failure etc. If you notice, you'll hear Premier League players have covid, the next week the player is back on the pitch. Why? Hes young and fit. Almost every old citizens with co-morbidities with covid died. Countries like Italy, US etc with high percentage of such old people suffered heavy loss of their old citizens. Our life expectancy is 55 years. That of Italy 85 years and US 77 years. So we have less old folks than them. Most elderly people in Africa with co-morbidity is already dead. Why? Our poor healthcare can't handle for example chronic kidney disease or valvular heart disease in the elderly, they usually die quick. The few remaining who are aren't dead from these chronic diseases died from covid. I remember some patients calling me for home treatment during the lockdown, I refused. They'll lie that their mother/father just have cough and catarrh.
So, long and short, covid cleaned out the world elderly population, not the young. Even China that is having it bad is only seeing their elderly die. So think properly and use your brain. I know I just wasted my time explaining why covid didn’t ravage Africa to you. The explanation isn't for you (it is useless to you), its for folks that think that way

tctrills:
It's up to you to proof that it's wrong.
Yes so many wrong belief have been proven with time. That doesn't make the believe in God false.

I have proven to you the Bible is scam. The stories were coined from Epic of Gilgamesh and other ancient texts. And there is no evidence they happened.
I don't know what you want me to prove again

Dtruthspeaker:
Which we were never involved in until you people started frolicking with those cursed people.

Thank God for rapture na una still dey suffer am.

Are you aware Africa had some deadly viral attacks which wiped out many people? From Ebola, Lassa etc. These aren't in Western countries

Dtruthspeaker:
This thread is not about development .

So how do we determine countries under 'generational curses?'

tctrills:
Well billions use and depend on it.

I realize theists love committing fallacies so much. This one is ad populum. Because billions believe it doesn't make it correct. People at a point believed witches caused diseases, some believed gods sent flood, some believed earth was flat. So it doesn't work like that

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post Ape! We are not talking about percentage and development.

So how does one determine developments?

Dtruthspeaker:
And as you can see China is still struggling with the Curse of disease (Corona) among other Curses (plagues.)

Same way Nigeria and others countries struggled with covid. So don't sweat it

Aemmyjah:
By the way
Let's discuss something more relevant
I met a man in the ministry
One eye is completely blind and the other is not good but he can't see you but sees like figures of shades
He says he has glaucoma since 2019 and specialist hospital can't heal him
My partner was telling him some leaves to boil and drink as well as one bennyseed
I just kept mute but I'm not a fan of such cos what worked for me may not work for you and hers was not glaucoma
I been thinking and asking what the man could take cos he's poor
He's been deserted by his wife and children
They left his daughter to take care of him but she's a lunatic. Only making noise and folding dirty and smelly clothes. To me, it's a burden
Could it be that someone was using black power against the man, I can't say
Since then, I've been confused on what to do and how to really help him
Since you say you're a doctor, you can say something if you're really a doctor at all. You seem to me as someone that works in a hospital. Working in a hospital does not mean one is a doctor else, one that cleans toilet can be called a doctor
If you know anything that can help him, glaucoma is incurable but anything to relieve so he should not go blind completely or improve his sight

LOL. So I clean toilets in hospitals now, right? Okay. If this was for you, I would have passed but since its for another person, I'll try and help even though I'm no ophthalmologist.
People can still see with glaucoma but it depends on the type and stage. If the optic disk is destroyed completely, there's nothing we can do. But glaucoma usually gives one signals before blindness happens. There is gradual loss of peripheral vision (as in you can't see objects from the corners of your eyes) and it continues till the whole optic disc is gone. And there are many causes from diabetes etc.
I don't know his stage of optic disk degeneration but if he's in Lagos, let me know

Aemmyjah:
Scientific evidence changes from time to time
Same with archeological evidence

Many things science says no longer existed or never existed in have later been found. The ark is lost. The garden is also lost
Bible does not need science to confirm what it says though

Science cannot also prove that the hanging gardens of Babylon existed. True or false?

Science does not have all the answers and their theories change over time. Why will I need science to confirm what is history. They can't find evidence of an event that happened 4000 years ago according to them but they can find evidence of ape-men and their activities of 700000 years ago. Shame

1. Science has found evidence of stuff that happened thousands of years ago, including fossils, swords, mummies, sarcophagi etc. They can be visualized if you doubt them. So I don't know what you're talking about

crystalmoon:
No one has answered my questions

The answer is simple. No god exists. Religion was invented for mass control. End

Aemmyjah:
Lol
There no much dispute on whether the ark ever existed
The only thing is that it has not and probably can never be found
Many have gone to find it and only found pieces of wood
We don't need to see the ark to believe it existed just as we don't have to see some of the ancient wonders of the world to believe they existed.
Conditions are sometimes turbulent in Mount Ararat. There is always avalanche, probably earthquake. Perhaps, the ark was destroyed by humans. No one knows but I personally believe it is long gone

All scam.
There is no evidence it existed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark
Apart from Noahs Art, what about Garden of Eden? Did it suddenly disappear? How come everything happening in the world was concentrated in a tiny area in the middle east?

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Speaking for all?!
Not all scientists believe or accept there's no Creator
If that is your opinion, rock your boat
But you're far less intelligent than a child who believe that someone made all things. An adult like you saying all things came from nothing

All this rigmarole, means nothing. Show me your god created the earth. Thousands of gods both past and present has laid claim to that. Tell me why yours isn't a myth like theirs, then I'll believe you

Aemmyjah:
Yet, some of these are long gone or destroyed
Yet, a foolish fool wants to see the ark that was made about 4000 years ago to believe it

Bro, artifacts made way before your Ark has been recovered in several places. And some are made of wood. Considering the purported size of the ark, it can't be missed.
Talk another lie

Aemmyjah:
Lol
The only one in existence is the pyramid in Gaza
I laugh at you

We have not seen them. They were long destroyed but we believe they existed
Yet, you discredit everything mentioned in the Bible cos you don't see them today

These are the total lists of the wonders of the world
https://www.britannica.com/list/new-seven-wonders-of-the-world
And some of them even surpassed the previous ones by centuries. So yes, your Bible was a scam

Aemmyjah:
I believe everything, every design came from someone

You believe they come from nothing and you tell yourself that you're intelligent

Yeah, I am. So are the scientists that made the phone youre using to type this rubbish.
Once again, give me proof your Yahweh made the earth, or else shut your trap forever

Dtruthspeaker:
And God had blessed us even before we knew it but Nigerians started frolicking with the cursed sons, smoking and drinking and talking stupidly up to the point of following their religion called atheism and now these devils called atheists have made Nigerians inherit the Curses God poured on them.

Lol. You're just a plain cretard. What is the percentage of atheists to Christians in Nigeria? Compare that to countries like Croatia, Czech, US etc. Who is higher? Now which of these countries Nigeria, Croatia, US is more developed? So if God wants to curse atheists who do you think he'll start with?

Dtruthspeaker:
They already know that God has finished them already. Every bad thing starts there first before they spread round the world eg they already had serious poverty long before they started deceiving people to come to their cursed land.

Another example is marriages. It is now that Nigerians are finding it difficult to marry meanwhile since 1980 their women have been lacking husbands and their men unable to marry.

They are a cursed people already and it has since been generational.

Youre just a waste of school fees. How can you explicitly say they are cursed when your 'religious folks' run there every day. American and UK embassies are besieged everyday by your people running to a cursed land. You well so?