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Emusan:
No! It's actually your nightmare! because The wisdom described in Prov 8 is just an ONLOOKER while God was actually carrying out the activities.

So tell us One thing Wisdom CREATED according to Prov 8.

No! We actually remember what Jesus said that He existed ALONGSIDE OF His Father.

While you Jehovah Witness relegated Jesus to ordinary Angel because of your evil mind against the Creator of you

Emusan confused LIAR

Proverbs 8:27-30
27“When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He decreed a vault on the face of the deep,

28“When He set the clouds above, When He made the fountains of the deep strong,

29“When He gave to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He decreed the foundations of the earth,

30“Then I was beside Him, a master workman

Emusan's says Jesus the Wisdom of God is an ONLOOKER in Proverbs 8:27-30.
The created work man called Wisdom/Jesus Christ, Emusan relegated to "ONLOOKER" .

Emusan:
Capital YES!

Jesus Himself agree to that.

Emusan:
Definitely you don't tell yourself the truth because everyone knows that Heb is ALL ABOUT the Son.

Unfortunately, I know after the brainwashed by Watchtower he'll soon be claiming Heb 1:10 is about Jehovah

Emusan:
Smile...yet your brother who knows the truth clearly said and I quote "He also said the son made the heavens and the earth..

Hebrews 1:10
[10]He also says to the Son,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
and made the heavens with your hands.

Jokerman:
Who did Jesus rebuke in Matt 4?

Jokerman:
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Now see the chapter 👇

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Now..

1. Are the man child and Michael the same?

Jokerman:
Are demons not working with Lucifer??

Wait, why are they called devils or Satan? Did God created them to be Satan or devils or demons?

Are they not all fallen angels?

Jokerman:
Lol...English is not hard.

Michael said," The Lord rebuke you"

See Jesus own, "Get thee behind me,Satan"

Jokerman:
Oga, what's this??

Are demons not devils?? Are they not fallen angels along with their master, Lucifer?

Jokerman:
2. Then in Revelation chapter 12.

Can you explain why Archangel Michael couldn't cast out the accuser from heaven until the man child was taken up to heaven?

Jokerman:
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jokerman:
Mark 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

Jokerman:
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Jokerman:
2. Who fights in this battle? This is truly a battle between equals. The dragon represents Satan (Revelation 12:9), and Satan is not the counterpart of God – God has no counterpart. If anyone, Satan is the counterpart of Michael, who seems to be the chief angel opposite this chief of fallen angels.

Jokerman:
3. Some say Michael must be Jesus, because he has his angels. But if Satan – a fallen angelic being – has his angels (Revelation 12:7), can’t Michael – an unfallen angelic being – have his angels?

Angel meaning Messenger/Minister/Son of God.

Sir,I have 2 questions for you:
According to your own Bible , John 7:16,Matthew 20:28 & Matthew 16:16-17, did Jesus Christ say himself is a Messenger/Minister/Son of God?
Yes, Jesus is!

According to your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,
@Matthew 25:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 &
2 Thessalonians 1:8, Daniel 10:13, Daniel 12:1 & Revelation 12:7-9,who is the angel leading other angels in battle and victory?

Looking at the screenshot, Hebrew 259 lexicon "one of/the one" meaning 'First', Senior @ Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15,Genesis 4:19,Genesis10:25 etc.
Jesus Christ is Senior to ALL angels, leading them in battle and victory.

Jokerman:
My last post to the deceived JW concerning Archangel Michael not being the same as Jesus Christ.

1. Jude 9 says that Michael would not rebuke or accuse Satan on His own authority, but only say “The Lord rebuke you.” This shows that Michael isn’t Jesus, because Jesus often rebuked Satan and demons in His own authority (Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:8, 4:35).


Janosky, cornelboy etc

Oga, for two (2) reasons you are not honest.
@Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35, did your own Bible say Jesus rebuke Satan?

No,is the answer.

Did your own Bible says Jesus had interaction with Satan @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35?
No,is the answer.
In those portions of scriptures you cited, Jesus Christ expelled demons,Satan wasn't there.

The other verse, Luke 4:8, what was Jesus doing in that verse?
@ Luke 4:8,Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 ("Worship Jehovah your God alone" to challenge Satan.

What was archangel Michael doing @Jude 1:9?

Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2 @Jude1:9 saying: "Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".
This Jude 1:9 is further evidence of Jesus identity as archangel Michael because he quoted the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2 to challenge Satan in the same manner that Jesus Christ @Luke 4:8 quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 to challenge Satan.

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 already confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.

cornelboy:
Lol have I ever disputed that he said that?

He also said the son made the heavens and the earth..

Hebrews 1:10
[10]He also says to the Son,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
    and made the heavens with your hands.

And it says here that God created the universe through Jesus the son.

[2]And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

Figure it out 😂😂

johhbekeboh09:
What's the name of the translation you quoted revelation '10:13': Ther's no revelation 10:13 in KJV & NWT

Emusan:
Good! So was God lying to the Old Testament people then?



Now you have accepted that Jesus Christ is a Creator because ONLY a Creator can CREATE.

Anyways, I know you will change mouth again.



No one disputes this.

But at least you believe God can't lie by claiming to create everything ALL BY HIMSELF.



But it was Christ who CREATED EVERYTHING



But you said above that "at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created" can you see how confused people like you who follow doctrines of men can be?



Solve the one you put yourself into first!

Psalms 102:24-25
24I say: “O my God, do not take me in the midst of my days! Your years go on through all generations. 25In the beginning You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Hebrews 1:10 is a copy of Psalms 102:25.
Therefore, Hebrews 1:10 references Jehovah God, nothing there concern Jesus.

Or :
@ Psalms 102:24-25,do you agree that Jesus is the God of David?

Mbanu!!!

Proverbs 8:27 is the nemesis of Trinitarians.
They are desperate to elevate Jesus above God his Father ( meaning God his Senior).

Emusan:
And these are the Bible verses you're still contending with

NWT:
Isaiah 48:13 "My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, And my right hand spread out the heavens. When I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 44: 24 "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?"

Just tell us that Jehovah was lying here!

Jehovah God did not lie.
Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 48:13= Proverbs 8:27.
Your own Bible, Proverbs 8:27 PROVEN Emusan Sifia pains WAILING on Nairaland.

"When HE (Jehovah God in verse 22) established the heavens, I (Wisdom, Jesus Christ in 1 Cor 1:20,24) was there."

Daniel 4:30 is similar to Isaiah 44:22.
Did Nebuchadnezzar say that he alone built his Palace?
Yes.

Daniel 4:30,Who was with Nebuchadnezzar when he built the palace?

Emusan sold his brain to Trinity.

achorladey:
They want to manipulate their ideology into the scripture. The same religious organization that said organization is unnecessary and not relevant turn back to state the council in Jerusalem is Jehovah’s organization. That's where their delusions originated from alongside 1914 peddling.


Now the antagonism which Russell had toward churches with a history is understandable. He was, after all, a religious maverick. His small group of followers were without an organizational history. They sought to minimize the absence of that lack of history by arguing that God did not have an on-going earthly organization—a monolithic, Christian congregation —that it was not God’s way of doing it. In this way Russell’s adherents could bring down in their own eyes those religions that did have an earthly history and could explain away their own lack of one. And, in connection with the subject at hand, it is abundantly clear that Russell did not believe that God had on earth at that time an ‘1800-year-old faithful and discreet slave organization’— God’s earthly channel of communication. He did not find it nor did it find him. He and his associates had no fellowship with any existing organization and were in fact disdainful of all other association. They stoutly repudiated the idea that there was on earth a visible, earthly organization existing from Pentecost onward that one would have to identify with in order to serve God. But today, a hundred years later, the descendants of the Bible Students of Russell’s movement argue the other way around, that it is necessary to be looking to a visible, earthly organization, namely, [that associated with] the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society. That was not the position in the beginning. As the situation changed, so Jehovah’s Witnesses changed their arguments. They argued just as strongly one way against organization at one time as they now argue strongly for organization. Just as their perception of earthly organization was far different a hundred years ago from what it is today, so their view of Russell is far different today from what it was in the beginning. Apart from brief references to him from time to time, Russell for the most part is unknown to modern day Witnesses. His writings are not recommended reading nor are his many books any longer published by the very publishing house he established and endowed with his own money.

Ozuo Woke Pro Max WAILER in sifia pains WAILING on Nairaland.

Charles Taze Russell NEVER made your spurious claim.

Everyone knows that Church or Council is a synonym for Organisation.
JWs are members of Jehovah's Organisation.
That is God's will on earth as it is heaven.


Educated MUMU continue WAILING

achorladey:
Ozuo Woke Pro Max peddler aka Janosky cure your delusions, sbamelesmes and Mumu peddlings with what is captured in the screenshot below.


What is wholly unnecessary in 1895 cannot be in existence indeed in the first century. . What you call Jehovah’s organization now are the many delusions you bought as wholesome doctrines from your TASKMASTERS of which you come to nairaland to peddle and market with your Mumu and no get sense peddling brains.

achorladey:
Your Mumu peddling still cannot show me Jehovah’s organization in context and content even in my bible or where the council refers to Jehovah’s organization or watchtower

Your Mumu peddling brains and no get sense kept underlining council at Jerusalem Council at Jerusalem Council at Jerusalem

Your drug filled brains peddling delusion and woke pro max Atheist didn't tell you council at Jerusalem is not equal to Jehovah’s organization not equal to watchtower.

Na the problem of your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING.

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

u can never stop lying, of course:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.




Mat 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

to false jw's, Jesus came to serve makes Him an angel, so dum

Joh 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

to false jw's, Jesus teachings are His Father's who sent Him, so that makes Him an angel, so dum


Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 

Father created nothng except by the Word who became Jesus the man, showing that God's Word was not created
the Word/Jesus created the angels and all that was created


u dum false jw's r confused and blinded, of course:


1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them


not all God's messengers are angelic beings, most dum false jw
for instance the prophets were men not angels

Word-studies
32 ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human (Mt 11:10; Lk 7:24, 9:52; Gal 4:14; Js 2:25) or heavenly (a celestial angel); someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message"

John W ozuo pro max.

Jokerman:
So you accept that Angel Michael is on the same pedestal as God the Father, then?

Jokerman:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

See what St Paul Said,1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So I don't know what y'all want again

Emusan:
At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book.



But the scripture says He is the Creator.

Emusan:
At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book.



But the scripture says He is the Creator.

Emusan:
At least you try to make sense this time around but anyways you'll always meet me at home for Bible study.


1 Corin 1:20,24 didn't says Jesus is a PERSON CALLED WISDOM stop lying against the Holy scripture.

Jesus is a person, do you have problem with that?

Emusan Rebuttal and acceptance.
Emusan is confused.

Emusan:
"However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. - NWT

Jesus is the POWER of God and The WISDOM of God says the Holy book.

Emusan:
Jesus Christ is the Creator John 1:3, Colo 1:18

The Bible itself, Bible scholars and your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN Emusan is LYING

It is PROVEN that Jesus Christ is the instrumentality of creation @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2.
God his Father is the Creator, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
The guy no go agree but he no get liver to delete Proverbs 8 :27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 from him Bible.

Emusan:
Dubious worshipper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick twisting the Word of God.

So it was not Jesus who created the Heaven.

So who created heaven?

Emusan:
But Jehovah USED HIM to CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS.

Is your brain paining you?

Emusan:
Now I should carry my question to God simply because you know a created Being needs space to occupy

This is where you dull JWs failed.

God created both heaven and earth before creating the Angels, man & everything to occupy them because every normal people know things created need space to occupy. Thank God, God is not like dull JWs.

Emusan so fond of LYING
Oga,Is Job 38:1-7 in your own Bible?

Emusan:
The pain must be too much for the worshiper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick

Emusan:
Yet you still believe Jesus is the ONLY ONE CREATED DIRECTLY BY Jehovah. Is that not stupidity?

Jokerman:
1. So Angel Michael bore all these names?? An Angel?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So, Angel Michael is now the mighty God too 😬.. ok.

2. Satan is the equal of Michael, that's why they always contend, and Michael couldn't even defeat Satan without Jesus. Jesus never had to contend with the Devil. He used words, same words that carry power that was used to create Heaven and Earth. Please read up the real Bible, don't use your JW or 7 day Adventist bible.


3. Angel Michael is a created being. Jesus wasn't created. He along with the father created all things... Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist..... Read and understand; a. By Him b. And for him... So God created all things through Angel Michael, and for Angel Michael?

Was Jesus Christ called the lamb in the old testament?

Was Jesus Christ called the Word in the old testament?

Oga, in your Bible @ Genesis 3:15, the Seed defeated the Satan.

Oga, who is the serpent @ Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9?
@ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:18, Oga who defeated Satan?

Oga,go & rest, you no know your Bible

Jokerman:
So what does the Bible mean by this??

1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

2. Jesus said, John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

So God and Angel Michael are one?

2.
In John 10:30 , Father meaning Senior, Elder.
In John 17:21-22, Jesus Christ says his Senior (the God his Father), the disciples and Jesus are one.

Oga, your claim on John 10:30 is built on quick sand.

Jokerman:
Lol... We worship only God through the son Jesus Christ and with the help of the Holy Spirit of God almighty

Jokerman post: " Jesus is Jehovah".

Oga Jokerman, you are not even honest to yourself on this forum.

Jokerman:
Lol... 🤣🤣🤣🤣.... These Jehovah witness clowns that also postulated that Devil was cast down from heaven in 1948, abi no be Una🤣🤣🤣.

My brother... The Lord Jesus Christ created all thing along with the Father, including all angels (Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer, Azazel, Samael etc...

Jesus Christ is God's word manifested in flesh. The word God used to create is Jesus Christ....

St Paul already told us, Jesus is higher than all beings except God...
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Jokerman post : "Jesus is Jehovah."

What a Mumu, unscriptural revelation!

Jokerman:
Hope you know Archangels are not even the highest ranked angels...

May God give you his revelation

Very wrong, Sir.


"One of/ the one" is Hebrew lexicon 259 meaning First, Senior in Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15, Genesis 10:25.

Go to Hebrew lexicon of Daniel 10:13 check word for word meaning & cure your ignorance.