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sagenaija:
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Janosky, The issue is not Rev. 1:1. The issue is not John 7:16. The issue is simple; who is speaking in the portions I referred to? And what did he say about himself? Is that hard for you to grasp?

Let's for a moment use your logic. You said, "God Jehovah sent Jesus to say "I am coming".
Jesus is coming on behalf of his God/ Father."
When Jesus said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Are you saying that God Jehovah asked him to say that on his behalf? So he couldn't be clearer but will require Janosky to help us understand his mind to show us that Jesus didn't actually say that of himself but was only a mouthpiece for God.

Oga, did your own Revelation Bible begin from verse 8?

Oga, study Revelation 1:1 & receive SENSE.
Revelation 1:1 = John 7:16
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him"

Trinitarians superglued to delusion

sagenaija:
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Revelation 1:13-15 describes the person Apostle John saw. But that person went on to make a statement in verses 17-20. He said, "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. [b]I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! [/b]And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

Janosky, who was dead and is now alive? Who describes himself here as the First and the Last?

sagenaija:
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Do you find this description used again in Revelation 22:13?

sagenaija:
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It is one thing to brainwash yourself with your dogma. It quite another thing to think that the rest of us would be taking in by JW's propaganda. Open your eyes.

Oga, you are throwing tantrums as if your Bible begins and ends with Revelation.

There is no dogma in the holy scriptures.
No Trinity dogma in your Bible.

Oga, carry your delusion outta this thread jare.

sagenaija:
Janosky, Revelation 22:16 starts with "I, Jesus, ...." So the identity of the person speaking from verse 12 is clear. The identity of the one "coming soon" is clear..

Your claim in Rev 22:12 is faulted by Jesus.

John 5:43, Jesus says " I have come in the name of my Father."
Oga, Revelation 1:1, Jehovah God gave Revelation to Jesus.
Psalm 62:12, Jehovah gives the reward at Rev 22:12.
Oga,na your Bible talk am.

sagenaija:
The identity of the one who said in verse 13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." is clear.

Because you want to force your dogma on any passage that conflicts with it you necessarily have to go through your roundabout way of trying to force your delusion on others.

Oga , open your Bible to Isaiah 44:6 & Revelation 22:13-14 , You will RECEIVE SENSE
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last"

Do you observe that Revelation 22:13 is a copy of Isaiah 44:6 & Revelation 4:8?
Jehovah God is the Alpha and Omega there.
Shikena !

sagenaija:
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When you are asked a very simple question and you have to go through a rigmarole to answer, that simply betrays your intention.
Did you also notice how you phrased some of your statements? E.g. "The Owner of the Revelation is coming through His son...." Coming through his son.
eyes.

John 7:16, Jesus said:
My message is NOT my own,it comes from God who sent me"

God Jehovah sent Jesus to say "I am coming".
Jesus is coming on behalf of his God/ Father.

Oga, your Bible says Receive Sense, drop your delusion in the dustbin.

OLAADEGBU:
"The Warning Tract"

See how this documentation is an easy way to inoculate people from joining Mormonism or the Jehovah's Witnesses at http://ow.ly/J42C50JSvaa

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

whose claim? who do you think you are talking to now?
you will forever have those voices in your head

so funny, and talk about deluded, you certainly are
and paranoid as hell, it all due to your habitual lying:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:
Isa 5:20  Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 

lost fraud jw janosky

when christians talk about the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit
they are talking about the Father and Jesus and Holy Spirit of the Bible

you false jw call the Christians Holy Spirit of the bible: "the ole demon ghost"

when i quote scripture saying you are of your father the devil, and a liar
i am quoting the truth:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


woe to you oh lost blasphemer janosky, for calling good evil:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Emusan:
Did Jehovah claim to be A GOD?

ole...
!

Emusan reads Deuteronomy 10:17, (Jehovah is the God "ho Theos" in John 1:1) to answer his question.
Yet , the only thing his Sense could think of is "Ole"
Deluded 3 deities devotees

Emusan:
That's nice!

So the Father isn't Lord of Lords and King of Kings

Emusan:
Emusan : Jesus is the God of gods.
Jesus the First and the last, the beginning and the ending John 1:1, Rev 1:17-18, Rev 22:13

You need more!

sagenaija:
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Why did you ignore verse 16? Do you see why I say that you guys are being disingenuous?
What is in verse 16?
How did the book of Revelation start in chapter 1?
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sagenaija:
Who is coming according to Revelation 1:7?
.

sagenaija:
Who is Revelation 22:12 saying is coming?
.

sagenaija:
Another person than Revelation 1:7?

sagenaija:
Who is the First and the Last in Revelation 1: 17?
Is he not the same one who said in the very next verse: ”I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!"?

Open your eyes!
We can see who is deluded now.

Emusan:
If not because you're delusional the name "Jesus" appeared more than two times in Rev 22 yet you claimed it's not Jesus talking.

Besides, the person speaking in Revelation 22:13 says He is "The First and The Last"
D

Emusan:
Didn't Jesus called Himself the first and the Last in the same Revelation 1:17:18?

JaNosenses the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil
I know it's a great pain to you and your father the Devil that Jesus called Himself The First and the last, the beginning and the ending

immaculatesense:
Lol... finally he (Janosky) goofed...he thought about how he could accuse me but found nothing...glory to God in the highest. Unfortunately for him...I am not a trinitarian...go into my comments in other thread...u will see my take on the topic Trinity.
Janosky...since u failed this one...can u keep trying to guess wat I believe in except Christ and the scriptures?...I am a Christian...keep guessing wat ORGANIZATION I belong to.

Trinity? Constantine? Council of Nicae Creed?

None is my conviction.
Can u see u can't know who I am except being a CHRISTIAN. I am proud to not be an association fanatic that will make people not to see Christ in me but Organization...I am a Christian...all u can see is christ.

Keep trying ooo...people are reading ur FAILURES

[b]Immaculate LYING & deceiving 3 gullible mumu on 18th June,2022 (screenshots evidences).
@ Philippians 2:6, is "Although he was God" in that verse?
NEVER !
The forgery of your Trinity mentors is not holy scriptures.
Correct rendition: "Although he was in the form of God".

4th LIE :" I am not a Trinitarian"
ImmaculateSense is a mentee of Trinitarians, inventors of the man made scam of the Council of Nicene

Your Trinity mentors made forgeries in 1Jn5:7, Revelation 1:11, John 10:33,1 Timothy 3:16 & Philippians 2:6 & more.
Deceitful lots

achorladey:
5:35am ,17th July,2022.
We wait when you and your only TRUE CHRISTIANS crew come running and peddle your WAILINGS that you are the only ONE using the name JEHOVAH in your worship to God.

That SONG you talked about is it in your song book called SING TO JEHOVAH? Abi na u teach them how to sing using the name JEHOVAH

Mikee19:
Hebrew scriptures!

(when i keep asking for GREEK SCRIPTURES relevant to the new covenant to show that's how we're to address him in this day and age when he's our Father, smh. You call your father by his own first name?)

johnw47:
nothing snakey about him, you just love lies:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

however brocab was right in calling you sewer mouth, wasn't he
there are plenty of your posts to show it
smile, those false jw's are so confused, it comes from their habitual lying.

Mikee19:
That's the best you can do? Using a TRANSLATION by somebody else rather than the original manuscript?

It's official. You have NO proof, but will rather chase shadows. Suit yourself!

Taken from jw own website:

"Elias Hutter was born in 1553... In 1587, Hutter produced a Hebrew edition of what is called the Old Testament... Hutter also printed what is commonly called the New Testament, with the text in 12 languages. This edition was published in Nuremberg in 1599 and is often referred to as the Nuremberg Polyglot. Hutter wanted to include a Hebrew-language translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. But he said that even if he “had been willing to pay a fortune” for such a Hebrew translation, the search would have been in vain. * So he decided to translate the New Testament from Greek into Hebrew himself."

1599 translation Smh!

Even in that pic, they said "the divine name as it appears in different TRANSLATIONS"!

As in TRANSLATIONS of the original thing!

It does NOT appear in the original manuscript!

Only in translations by others! But sure, chase shadows...

Various evidences abound but you pretend to ignore them.

Go to NWT appendix A5 or continue deceiving yourself and throw more tantrums.

Is Hallelujah in your Bible at Revelation 19:3-6?
Is "Hallelujah" praising you,Mikee19?

Abeg shift!

Mikee19:
That's the best you can do? Using a TRANSLATION by somebody else rather than the original manuscript?

It's official. You have NO proof, but will rather chase shadows. Suit yourself!

Taken from jw own website:

"Elias Hutter was born in 1553... In 1587, Hutter produced a Hebrew edition of what is called the Old Testament... Hutter also printed what is commonly called the New Testament, with the text in 12 languages. This edition was published in Nuremberg in 1599 and is often referred to as the Nuremberg Polyglot. Hutter wanted to include a Hebrew-language translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. But he said that even if he “had been willing to pay a fortune” for such a Hebrew translation, the search would have been in vain. * So he decided to translate the New Testament from Greek into Hebrew himself."

1599 translation Smh!

Even in that pic, they said "the divine name as it appears in different TRANSLATIONS"!

As in TRANSLATIONS of the original thing!

It does NOT appear in the original manuscript!

Only in translations by others! But sure, chase shadows...

achorladey:
And your HYPOCRISY alongside that of MaxInDHouse comes in the form of saying Jehovah’s witnesses are the ONLY one using God's name in their WORSHIP. Yet see your words below.....




NO GET SENSE PEDDLING PEDDLER you see your SHAMELESSNESS? Later you will deny you didn't call the God you serve DOGHEADS . All are the WORKS of NO GET SENSE PEDDLER.

Shhuuuuoooo !!!!!!
In screenshot evidence Achorladey is against use of Jehovah as God's name.
Why is Achorladey so DECEITFUL & DUBIOUS ?

Suddenly, within an interval of less than 10 minutes, Achorladey's memory reversed and he he believes his 3 deities worshipping Crew singing

Mikee19:
What if he did? What actual evidence do you have otherwise?



I have responded in FULL to this earlier:






And you know this how?

Actually it's up to you to accept very sound points I've made on this topic. You say things with no actual proof. But that's fine by you. You can call your dad by his name ba? God cannot protect his word from changes by random ppl ba? Yet this makes sense to you, and you have confidence that only that one was changed, he was powerless to protect it from changes in that one, but all others, no problem. You cannot see how you're really challenging the power of God Almighty. How maybe other parts were also changed undetected. No problem, suit yourself

achorladey:
Me I know your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING and your SHAMELESSNESS won't allow see........


READ and QUOTE

To show more about your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING in your NWT John 17 Jesus said the word FATHER (6 times) and name (4 times). That's how important calling God Father is

achorladey:
Me I know your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING and your SHAMELESSNESS won't allow see........


READ and QUOTE

Emusan:
See painment of this worshipper of lying 8 old men



So Catholic didn't formulate Jehovah bah



This thing just dey pain this JaNosenses well well :

If not because dust full your empty skull, where did I talk about letter J here?

Oponu Mr Gebbrish typer

Continue to insult yourself,Mr LIENUS.
They come online be throwing tantrums "the name is not in the new testament", the name is not God's name blah blah blah...
Tomorrow Sunday,all of them go enter their business centers singing. "Jehovah is your name, Jehovah is your n....a....m.....e".
3 deities worshippers and their HYPOCRISY.
D

achorladey:
They like to repeat and merry go round over their doctrines hoping you will accept it eventually even when you have presented strong evidence that shows no basis for you to accept it.

The image below they have seen posted here repeatedly but they will look away in order to repeat their doctrines hoping will fall for it.

When reading becomes difficult atleast diagrammatic representation will be of help.

Mikee19:
I wish i can have just 2hrs discussion with u. U are already throwing stuff u have no idea about. Who removed what? You have proof of this? You are turning out to be just like the others who say things they don't know for sure, except that one organization told them this.

Can you provide evidence for this claim? Does there exist ANY MANUSCRIPT IN THE WORLD where the name "Jehovah" exists in the New Testament ( "Greek scriptures" ) , or even the tetragrammation, and it was removed and replaced with "Lord"? No, you cannot, because it doesn't exist

Several thousands of manuscript have come down to us, not single one backs up this claim! Can you access the kingdom interlinear of the Jehovah witnesses? Surely u can see that in the Greek "Lord" is what appears, NOT anything else?

Moreso do u know the real implication of this claim? That right under God's "nose" in preserving his written word, somebody somewhere can come and change it, or a part of it, without leaving any traces? Such that ALL THE WHOLE MANUSCRIPTS IN THE WHOLE WORLD don't contain the word "Jehovah" in any form, tetragrammation inclusive, and God cannot prevent that? How then are you sure he can prevent anybody else from making any other changes to his word if he cannot prevent that from happening? Heck, how do u know no other part of the Bible has been changed undetected again? You have NO way of knowing! It's either God can protect his word from being changed, or he cannot. You are really claiming God CANNOT protect his word from alteration. He cannot keep it from being changed. It is God's power you're really challenging!

Be careful the things u say. God can protect his word. This is an unfounded JW claim that attacks the power of God. On the one hand they claim they can trust his word because he can preserve it without alteration. Then turn right around to say, "yes he can but only this one he couldn't". Don't throw such slap in the face of God. He preserved his word unaltered.

johnw47:
re OP: The Son Is Superior To Angels

yes He is, He in fact made the angels

 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

^^ God made nothing at all without the Word = the Word wasn't made

johnw47:
God and His Word is God
just as i and my word is me

johnw47:
before creation God bought His Word out of Himself, now a separate person/God's Son

1Corinthians 8:6 & Ephesians 3:14-15, EVERYONE was brought forth by God our Father.
God brought forth/ PRODUCE/CREATE Eve out of Adam.

God brought forth/PRODUCE/ CREATE The Word (His son Jesus).

In other words,The Word, (Jesus His son) is a creation of God, Revelation 3:14 & Genesis 49:3.
Trinitarians ALWAYS LIE that "the BEGINNING" mean different things @ Revelation 3:14 & Genesis 49:3.
Deceitful lots .


3 deities devotees ALWAYS shut down their Sense to AVOID their Bible truth

johnw47:
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and two thousand years ago, God's Word became flesh/the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

johnw47:
Wisdom/the Word always existed in God, there wasn't a time that God was without Wisdom.
And before creation, of course wisdom/the Word who eternally exists in God was not created a separate person, but begotten of God.

Emusan:
But there are other archangel as Michael is just ONE of them

Jokerman:
1. You have no proof of this.

2. Archangel Michael isn't the express "word" of God
.

Jokerman:
3. So what role was lucifer in heaven before he rebelled? Remember, no ordinary angel could have the effontery to rebelled against God.

MaxInDHouse:
Who did the scriptures called the wisdom of God?

1Corinthians 1:24

johnw47:
so called jw's must have demons in their heads saying
trinity trinity trinity trinity trinity trinity trinity ............................
to them, all Christians are trinitarians.

there is a lot of mental instability in that false jw sect, of course

houseofwind1:
What do you think Hebrews 1 is talking about? what do you think Daniel 10:21 is talking about? Do you even know what is Michael? You need to learn the Bible without influence from Institutionalized Christianity. Bible does not lie, only people who follow their mind lie.

Jokerman:
So Archangel Michael is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.... Rev 19:16? Remember Michael is one of the chief princes
.

Jokerman:
Also, In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

you false jw's never stop lying and denying the Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus is clearly "Alpha and Omega"

john heard a voice behind him say:
I am Alpha and Omega
then john turned to see who spoke, and he saw
one like "the Son of Man"

Rev 1:10  I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 
Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, .... 
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

the "Alpha and Omega" goes on to say:

Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 


1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.