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gohf:
is that what you felt I did?

John 1:1 never called Jesus God but you claim it did. theos en ho logos is what is written there and not Jesus is God but steep you have never listened to the truth so why should I waste my time telling it to you, it's not the first time we have conversed but you feel satisfied to believe I buried my head in the sand. Okay I agree I did, enjoy, say it Everytime you speak of me, feel proud about it let it give you joy and peace ✌🏾

Steep:
John 1:1,Jesus Is God .

Gabrielshow24:
God's nature, Christ, can be in every man. You are not wise, I can see that clearly. How have you rendered it useless, if I may ask?

Your ignorance won't let you see that all indications points to us being like Jesus who by the way is the fullness of God 😂.

Rendered use.less... Indeed😅

Boomark:
Let me shock you and prove to you that you are very ignorant and has been fooled by satan.

Colossians 2:9 NLT

[9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.


Ephesians 3:14-15, 19 NIV
[14] For this reason I kneel before the Father, [15] from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
[19] and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.


All the fullness of God or God's nature or Godhead is what the Father the only true God can fill in any man who he wishes to give it. Paul prayed for the Ephesians that all the fullness of God may be filled in them. And that doesn't make them equal to God.

This is what satan and the antichrist used to deceive all of you. I believe you have never seen this before in your life.

You have failed woefully and I have defeated you in your question all round. Repent and obey the words of Jesus Christ.

chibuezem
Ken4Christ

FreeIgboho:
That's exactly what I'm doing agreeing with you.
Please how do you spin this below

John 14:9
New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

FreeIgboho:
No, not same God. They believe in Yaweh. They don't know who is Jehovah, an erroneous name.
But your people end up voting. So, pleatell, why do you hate voting so much

Gabrielshow24:
Define God? 😂

Gabrielshow24:
Really? the last person that said that, gohf, got a shocker! I have evidences, lot of evidences from your definition of spirit of trees as angels, to your inability to answer whether or not God is capable of doing anything by himself! I have loads of screenshots.

Don't try me brother, I back my conversation with facts that's how I have lived all my life!

Gabrielshow24:
We have been through this bridge before, it always results in you running away!
"one" - ehad has different meanings, oneness in purpose, in nature to say a few.

No matter whatsoever you choose it doesn't help your case at all. Now to bring it home, we claim in nature Jesus is equal to the Father but in identity different, likewise we too have our end result in being like him but in identity and pre-eminence we are not the same! How hard is this to understand?

Boomark:
Answer to your question.

John 14:9-11, 16, 28 NKJV
[9] Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? [10] Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. [11] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—
[28] You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

Jesus is not the author of confusion. He also said this below about God who he calls the Father.

John 6:46 NIV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.


From every other scripture we know that Jesus is not the Father. He also toid them that no one has seen the Father.

Jesus gave reason why he said he who has seen him has seen the Father in verses 10 and 11. He said this because everything he tells his disciples comes from the Father. He doesn't say anything from his own authority. The Father commands him on the things to say, John 12:49-50. If you don't have authority of your to say anything apart from what your mother tells you to say, whoever sees you will likened to haven seen your mother at home because what your mother will use her mouth to tell them is exactly what you will tell them. But you are not your mother.

In verse 16, he said he will pray to the Father. He is not praying to himself. In verse 28, he told them clearly that he is going to the Father and that the Father is greater than him. He is not the Father whom he told them is greater than him. He told them all these still in this same chapter so they don't go and start assuming he is the Father.

So what Jesus said in John 6:46 above is the same thing I tell you that no one has seen God (The Father) according to John 1:18 and 1 Timothy 6:16. Jesus died but the only true God cannot die and no one has seen him, 1 Timothy 6:16.

Do you disagree?

That guy won't study John 6:46 & 1 Timothy 6:16.
His answer wont be from Timothy or John.

Gabrielshow24:
Janosky, second to Max.😁
One of your brothers-in-the-Lord is on the hot seat, unlike you he managed to give a shabby reply to my question.
🤔It should be going to 4 months now which you haven't provided a response to a plethora of questions posed towards you by intellectual minds, myself included🤨.

Master of Airbending, Janosky—Tenzin LOK should be learning from you, the way you evade and avoid is top-notch 😂!

Gabrielshow24:
Your write-up is flawed as Jesus gives his reasons and he understands the context and your reconciliation falls short in this regard. No one was saying the Father and the son were the same in identity, trinity affirms they are same in Nature not identity perhaps if you had defined your problem statement along with other related terms you won't have put yourself in this confusion!

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Chibuezem:
lol I will keep on with my revelations from God as seen in the scriptures. Holyspirit thank you for giving me understanding.
Glory to the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit. You don't need the wisdom of men to describe your existence.
Bookman have a wonderful night.

FreeIgboho:
Answer the question. We all know what makes Jesus God.

FreeIgboho:
What exactly makes these your other gods gods??

FreeIgboho:
Your problem is that you refuse to step outside human reasoning when it comes to Jesus.

FreeIgboho:
If you used human reasoning, how can God listen to a million prayers at once?? God said don't have any other gods, don't worship them. What exactly makes these your other gods gods??

FreeIgboho:
Bros do.you know what monotheism means. Please tell us

FreeIgboho:
How many times do you have to be told, you don't cherrypick the Bible! Too many things point to Jesus divinity. He .was directly called God and unlike everyone else he didn't rebuke who called him that, He's alpha and Omega, etc

FreeIgboho:
Once again, there us no "a god" in Christianity. We only have one God and Jesus is a Son (manifestation) of that one God

FreeIgboho:
You goaded me into saying something I wouldn't have said!
I mean how can Jews say verbatim:
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"
Yet you keep insisting they were not going to stone him for claiming to be God! Jeez!
Anyway I didn't mean to be insulting and if you take it as such I hereby withdraw the statement.
But if I don't use "sheepishly" what word would you advice me to use?

FreeIgboho:
It is NOT my opinion. Use your head for once instead of SHEEPISHLY following JW doctrine. It was clearly demonstrated that Jesus knew what people would think (another thing you'd associate with God). Obviously he KNEW they'd know what he meant - that he was God! Not only that, he spoke with authority. Now imagine someone who spoke with authority say emphatically "I Am" instead of the grammatically correct "I was".
It is NOT a crime to use your head sometimes!

MaxInDHouse:
Your own opinion!

They wanted to stone him for claiming he existed before Abraham only heavenly beings are immortal but they knew his father, mother and siblings so to them he blasphemed!

FreeIgboho:
You were told to point to one place Jesus told anyone NOT to worship him or rejected worship like everyone else. He is divine!

FreeIgboho:
By the way, you keep saying "I AM" worshippers.
You are one! Yahweh (Jehovah) literally means "I am"!!

FreeIgboho:
See him, "I am who I am" that Jews shortened to "I am". Comedy skit!

FreeIgboho:
Your throwing up Bible verse numbers all over the place means nothing. Tell us what it says like I always do. No one has the time to go chasing down a myriad of verse numbers!

FreeIgboho:
To avoid all confusion henceforth please define "worship" for us. When Satan told Jesus “if you will bow down and worship me.”, what did he mean?

FreeIgboho:
Why would the three kings be kneeling down for an infant? What else would define "worship"?

FreeIgboho:
This is soo ridiculous! So how come in all the history of Israel to date he was the only one about to be stonned to death for claiming to be God??

FreeIgboho:
How come he is the only one who never refused worship??

FreeIgboho:
How come he is the only person we refer to as still alive and use "was" for every other person??

FreeIgboho:
How come he's the only one worshipped as an infant (or how and WHY do you show "obeisance" to an infant?).

FreeIgboho:
Too many things point to his divinity.

FreeIgboho:
You keep issuing one ridiculous denial after another. The bible is meant to be taken together, NOT cherrypicked!

FreeIgboho:
You're always invoking picking up of weapons but you cozily enjoy the safety and security afforded by picking up weapons. It's like saying you're against taxation but enjoy all the amenities afforded from taxes!

You sound so fake and pretentious focusing on Jesus, knowing fully well your organization do no such thing. What good is anything you do about God if you don't believe he is God??
You've been arguing since forever that Jesus is just a messenger like Moses and that his "I am" was just the way he spoke. When clearly, his "I am" was meant to convey he is God. Not only that, he KNEW the Jews would understand that to be what he meant - because it was what he meant!! He didn't just want to come out and say it plainly because he knew they'd kill him for it, he just didn't want to be killed before the appointed time!

FreeIgboho:
No mind MaxIndhouse. All these were thrashed out in posts, as you can see below:

John 10:33

@Deuteronomy 6:4 The Jews believe there is only one God, Jehovah.

@ John 10:33,(confirmed by John 19:7) the Jews believed Jesus is NOT the God of Deuteronomy 6:4.

Your Trinitarian mentors gave biased rendition of John 10:33. Them change am to capital G.
The same small letter Theos (god) is @ 2 Corinthians 4:4, Acts 28:6, 1 Corinthians 8:4
Screenshot evidence.


Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove he is a god because God his Father calls his son a god.
Jesus is a god, the Son of God.
God's Sons=gods.

FreeIgboho:
They always said "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus", which JW never do.
The concept of thanking Jesus is present and encouraged throughout scriptures. Early Christians constantly expressed gratitude to Jesus for his sacrifice and salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
So what you are demanding is your own standard or yardstick not found in God's word!

FreeIgboho:
EXACTLY!
Maxindhouse come get some education, you and Janosky!

FreeIgboho:
Quote a verse where they said
"Thank you Jehovah God" as JW always say.
He's just an angel to you folks, just another messenger like Moses, so why your pretentious focus on him on this forum.
You don't realize it, but it sounds so fake!