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Bishopkingsley:
. Is your spirit different from your body... No... So when we worship Jesus we are equally worshiping God.. When we worship the father we also worship the same God

As long as you worship two persons- God and His son, Jesus, you are a Polytheist NOT a Christian.
This fact is immutable

Bishopkingsley:
. Is your spirit different from your body

Bishop wan save face, the Bros is diverting to another different issue to dodge this question:

Bishop,Do you worship the two persons of the Trinity?

jcross19:
I laugh some ignorants... See bible is open for knowledge and understanding, we may not share the same understanding and we are entitled to our reasons... But you have exposed how unlearned you because you want to mocked the understanding of what you know not..

Did holy spirit give Paul and Peter conflicting revelations on the same topic?

So, the same Bible is telling you and your fellow 3 deities devotees different revelations on the same topic?

Bros, park well jare.

livingchrist:
what is this one saying sef

Angels in heaven, do you call them "men"?

Bishopkingsley:
God is the father and God is the son that what hard for u to understand

Do you worship the two persons?

awitness41:
This is in general agreement with BKingsley.

Proper Bible study requires that ALL Verses on a given topic be reconciled together, and NONE thrown out.

It is beyond sad how many false doctrines there are based on one Verse taken out of context and not compared to other Verses of the
same topic.
The Truth of all received Verses on a given topic should be kept, for a complete picture in agreement.
And, if the Holy Spirit brings us another Verse we did not know or recall, its Truth should be incorporated as well, for “all Truth”.
And if reconciling related Verses ever proves difficult, Jesus' own Word and example must rule in the matter.

For example, saying "Jesus is God".
It can be accurate if one is actually saying "Jesus is just like His Father, God."
But if they are saying Jesus IS God... no.
Because if one points ONLY to Verses which seem to say that Jesus IS God, they will be deceived by not including ALL Verses in the matter.
One would have to completely ignore a multitude of other Verses where Jesus refers to God as His Father.
And that includes this one (John 14:28, NKJV): "You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I."

Think for a minute:
Jesus did not pray to Himself.
Nor did He ascend to Heaven and sit at His own right hand.

So what then do those other Verses mean, where Jesus seemingly is being called God ?
In keeping all Verses together and throwing out none, those Verses can only mean that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is just like God, in that He has been given the power from God to have life in Himself (and therefore can create life), and that He has been given the power from God to be the Judge of man, etc.
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And thus, if we refer to Jesus as "God",
it's not an affront to God, Who is the very one Who gave Jesus all these traits of the Father.
And since Jesus was with God from the beginning, we can also understand that Jesus was there participating in the creation of all things, alongside His Father God.
As for the "I AM" reference which Jesus gave in John 8:58, it can only mean that Jesus (obviously) was there when God said that to Moses, and in John 8:58 Jesus was trying to clue the Jews into that fact.
It really isn't hard, but we have to keep all Verses together in a given topic, and throw out none.

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Same thing regarding Michael the Archangel, whom Jesus is not.

Same for once-saved-always-saved... it's a false doctrine.

People are misled because they try to ignore or throw out even one Verse on a topic.

Proper Bible study requires that ALL Verses on a given topic be reconciled together, and NONE thrown out.

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According to your claim, do you also agree that angels were present when God had conversations with Moses?

Therefore, every angel is God?

What do you make of Hosea12:3-4?

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Genesis 16:7, Malachi 3:1, Daniel 10:13 Amplified Bible & Geneva Bible.
Your Trinity Bibles & Trinity mentors confirmed Jesus is an archangel Michael.

Bishopkingsley:
Holy spirit said separate Paul and bananas for the work I have called them to do for me


God shows each man an aspect when it comes to some definitions

But notice we both have the same foundation belief in Trinity

Which is quite different from your own evil foundation of Jesus bin an angel

Bros, JWs do NOT & NEVER have anything to do with Trinity GIBBERISH.

As long as you worship two persons- God and His son, Jesus, you are a Polytheist NOT a Christian.
This fact is immutable

livingchrist:
Christ is both God and Man, it does not pose any challenges. Since Christ possesses two natures what is true in one might not be true in the other. For example Christ is limited in his humanity but in his divinity he is unlimited.
Paul's calling didnt originate from Jesus humanity but in his divine nature.



He gave up his life is in past tense not He is a man.
Paul wouldnt have called him "the man Christ Jesus" if he is no longer a man.

By the way Jesus gave up his life and he recieved his life back.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Your organisation trying to deny Jesus resurrection lie that it was his angelic life he laid down but the greek translation exposed them. The greek translation is human life.

you are contradicting yourself.

Angels who are not flesh and blood are called men yet you said anything not flesh and blood is not a man?

Luke 24:4,23 When angels were called men, where they in human form?

Hebrews 1:14 When those angels return to heaven, do you still call them men?
John 6:51, Jesus would no longer be a man after death & ascension, na him talk am.

John 17:4,24, was Jesus a man before creation? Was Jesus a man when God gave him glory before creation?

Bros, wisely use the brain God gave you.
Please avoid spurious claims.

It's very clear to every objective observer-
Trinity scam has several versions in conflict with others.
As long as you worship two persons- God and His son, Jesus, you are a Polytheist NOT a Christian.

maximunimpact:
I don't do street madness like the ones that carry bag selling magazines on streets, it's your specialty.

The lies you peddle on streets can no longer be defended

Maximumimpact fixation with FALSE claims.
E pain am

vybzkartel:
Fool, so u don't know that even u, u are a spirit yet u have blood

jcross19:
you are the one who is confused, spirit have no blood or flesh according to what Jesus told Thomas, in other side we can say our body house the spirit which empower our physical Body!!

Oly ghost confusing 3 pagan idols devotees , with conflicting revelations.
The same oly ghost told jcross "spirit have no blood"
And told vybzkartel ,"spirit have blood"

maximunimpact:
Watchtower specifically said the generation that saw 1914 will not pass away until Armageddon happens.

Stop dodging the question, it's a reminder of how you have been mislead

You are entitled to your opinion, Bros.

Bishopkingsley:
Don't worry they will calculate the year that Jesus will come and you will open your brain to accept it

I have given you scriptural fact that your own Bible confirmed.

Bishopkingsley:
so when Jesus said I saw Satan fall down from heaven like lightning you did not know he was talking about it what happened even before Satan came to eve in the eden

Yes nau, Jesus Christ the archangel Michael did hurl Satan out of heaven and DECEIVER fell yakata.

maximunimpact:
Watchtower claimed 1914 was the year Jesus became king in heaven and then cast out Satan to earth, JWs called it Christ's invisible presence.

Watchtower also said the generation that witnessed 1914 will not pass away until Armaggedon.

So the simple question is how long is a generation?

Paste the question on your forehead and enter the streets, first thing in the morning..

maximunimpact:
Kindly note that i am not a trinity believer neither do i care if God is 1, 2 or3. He remains God regardless of what anyone chose to believe.

Watchtower claimed 1914 was the year Jesus became king in heaven and then cast out Satan to earth, JWs called it Christ's invisible presence.

Watchtower also said the generation that witnessed 1914 will not pass away until Armaggedon.

So the simple question is how long is a generation?

THIS GENERATION will not pass away until the fulfilment of Matthew 24:44.
When all these things prophecied have happened.

maximunimpact:
Gibberish as always

JWs always like using dictionary to define terms when teaching "bible students", but when they get caught in a lie words automatically manufacture two meanings, 1) Bible meaning and 2) Dictionary meaning, Lols

There's no way to doge this one okay....

How long is a generation?

JWs have responded to your questions with biblical proofs.
Particularly, the context of Matthew 24:30-34, proven that THIS GENERATION spoken of by Jesus Christ is futuristic one.

The same thing your Trinity mentors, [b]Gotquestions have proven to be scriptural fact .
Bros, deal with the bitter truth. [/b]

eomajeh:
Haddeylium, did you say “never once has the Jehovahs Witnesses organization claimed to be prophets”?
In your defence, you brought up quotations from some old JW publications where they say “they have not the gift of prophecy”, “their writings should not be reverenced or regarded as infallible”, “their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and other bible writers”, etc.

True, the JWs write that they are not giving out prophecies. However, I bet you do not know that in the April 1 1972 Watchtower, the JW call themselves a prophet. On page 197 of that Watchtower, in an article titled “They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them”, a question is raised as to whether in modern times Jehovah God has had a prophet to help the people, “to warn them of dangers and declare things to come”.
The answer given was, yes, that the record showed there was such a prophet. The article continued that the “prophet was not one man, but was a body of men and women. the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses”.

JWs say their organization has never given out a prophecy, but had only given out its surmises. But what does the record say?

For example, when the JW organization was “surmising” that the world will end in 1914, these were some of their statements:
• “…we present bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles .. will be reached in AD 1914. That date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men” - The Time Is At Hand book
• “within the coming 26 years [from 1889], all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved… We consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God will be accomplished at the end of AD 1914” – The Time Is At Hand, page 98, 99
• “with the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy” – Thy Kingdom Come, page 153
• “The date of the close of that battle is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914” – WatchTower January 15, 1892
• “We see no reason for changing the figures – nor could we change them if we could. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours” - July 15 1894 WatchTower
Also, in an article titled “Knowledge and Faith Regarding Chronology” in the October 1 1907 Watchtower, it was said in so many words that persons doubting the 1914 time predictions are lacking in faith.
Haddeylium, you say JWs have never given out a prophecy “in the name of Jehovah”. What do you call putting forward time predictions with such statements as: it is “God’s dates, not ours”, it is “established truth”, the date is “definitely marked in scripture”, the date is “already shown from prophecy”, etc? DENY IT AS YOU MAY BUT THAT IS GIVING OUT A PROPHECY IN THE NAME OF JEHOVAH.
What do you call it when you smear the faith of persons who refuse to accept your time predictions, and even go as far as comparing them to the 5 foolish virgins who did not keep up the watch? DENY IT AS YOU MAY BUT THAT IS NOT ONLY PROPHESYING BUT BEING DOGMATIC.

Over 2000 years ago, Jesus preached ,"the kingdom of God is at hand" , even last year.
Bros, what of this very year,2021? Is the kingdom at hand?



In most ways Jehovah’s Witnesses are like everyone else. They have normal problems—economic, physical, emotional. They make mistakes at times, for they are not perfect, inspired, or infallible. But they try to learn from their experiences and diligently study the Bible to make needed corrections. They have made a dedication to God to do his will, and they apply themselves to fulfill this dedication. In all their activities they seek guidance from God’s Word and his holy spirit.

Jesus Christ called the disciples "senseless" @ Luke 24:25-27.
Bros, why ?
Luke 24:21, the disciples predicted Jesus will redeem Isreal from Roman oppression.
Did their prediction come to pass?

Have you ever criticize the failed prediction of your gods of men/Pastorpreneurs?
One of them claims he drank tea with his deity , you have never questioned him to prove his claims were actually true, you still call him with High sounding titles,

Bros, remove the rafters in your eyes before you can check the specks in JWs.

Bishopkingsley:
And he did that in 1914

Bible chronology proven it.

Bishopkingsley:
It pains them when you tell them no church can save you they really wish their church can save people infact they think their church can save people more than Jesus

John 17:6-7, Jehovah owns Jesus and the disciples.
Acts 15:14, Jehovah chose them to bear His name.

The son of destruction left them & missed salvation .

The joke is on you, Bishop

Bishopkingsley:
You won't see them preaching Jesus all they preach is there organization how beautiful it is so holy inside it lol

Non of them know who God is but they know history of 1914

They saw Jesus throw down Satan that year lol

In their imagination

John 7:16, the doctrine I preach is NOT mine", Jesus Christ said.

John 17:26, Father I have revealed your name to the men you gave me" They are yours", Jesus said.

Revelation 12:7-9 & 1John3:8, Jesus Christ did throw out the devil.

Does the Bishop preach that which Jesus preached?


I doubt

illicit:
They drink beer unlike hypocrite christains

Bros, please enjoy..

Bishopkingsley:
Jehova witness Bible states that God is the throne of their angel can you imagine God given up his throne for an angel if this is not evil Bible I wonder what it is

Shame no dey catch you wey dey twist the holy scriptures?
God is your strength
meaning "Your Strength is from God.

God is your throne
meaning "Your throne is from God.
Or Your throne is given of God, Masoretic Text in Hebrew language (older than all English Bibles)

Masoretic Text of the Hebrew language @Psalms 45:6-7 is the original copy of Hebrews 1:8-9.
Check the screenshot evidence

Bishopkingsley:
They believe in the cult more than Jesus

Bishop LIENUS proven that John 20:17 is not in his heart but only exists in his Bible.

maximunimpact:
I never agreed or disagreed that 1914 generation is still alive or not, let's just say they are still alive just for the benefit of the doubt.

The question is how long is a generation?

The biblical concept of Generation is not exactly of the same contemporary meaning Maximumimpact attached to it.
A Generation usually refers to the time span of 25-35 years, but in biblical terms, GENERATION is more than that (see Gotquestions , your Trinity mentors Screenshots).

THIS GENERATION will not pass away until all these things have happened, Jesus said.

Matthew 24:44
" You ([b]THIS GENERATION) also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected."
[/b]

Bros, how long is THIS GENERATION that must be ready all the for the coming of the Son of man when least expected"?

Bros, do you now understand that Jesus Christ is referenced THIS GENERATION as futuristic one?
You can check again, the questions 1 to 6, I asked you about Matthew 24:3-14,30-34...

vybzkartel:
Fool, so u don't know that even u, u are a spirit yet u have blood

Is Adam a spirit?
Bros, prove it with your Bible.
I will ignore your insult.

thorpido:
Revelations 7:4 says,'And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. ' Did you see 'of the tribes of the children of Israel' in that scripture?The 144,000 is from Israel and not the whole believers.
Verse 9 says,After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
The Holy Spirit is not sealing just 144,000 as erroneously held by JW.

The Bros think say na those Israelites wey Jesus Christ tell them say "your house has been abandoned to you."

Bros, 144,000 is NOT natural Jews.
Study your Bible and you will know.

Splinz:
I'd advise you to desist from acting presumptuously. Please be guided properly.

Oga Bros,the evidence before you, na lie ?

THEWRITERSMIND:
MaxInDHouse why not just answer the 1914 question and set matters straight?

Does it mean there's no answer to the question?

Matthew 24:3-13 fullfilled in Jesus days.
Matthew 24:13-39 will fulfill and still fulfilling in our present time.

Maximumimpact fixation with THIS GENERATION is out of tune with the holy scriptures.
Or do you mean that THIS GENERATION of Jesus days saw the fulfilment of Matthew 24:14-39 which has largely not taken place?

true2god:
This is the reason I have concluded that the men at Brooklyn are demonic in nature. When certain elders are not sincere in their dealings then there is a problem.

The writer said:

Whether our religion meets this criterion or not can only be determined by open-mindedly comparing it with the Bible.

The statement above inferred that the Bible should be the standard for our religious authentications which means that his audiences are Christians (whether Catholics, Anglicans, or even JWs)

However, in a classic watchtower demonic cunningness he concluded thus:

After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Muslim parents’ controls that…

Why suddenly switch to Muslims, an entirely non-Bible based religion? Why couldn’t the watchtower be consistent by comparing the Catholics’ interpretation (or any other denomination) and understanding of the Bible with the Jehovah’s witnesses? I have said it before, and I will repeat it again, the watchtower is notorious for bashing the catholic faith but will also cry persecution at the same time when same is done to them. I am not a catholic anyway but JWs need to stop bashing other people while at the dame time making unfounded claims (1914, 1875, 1975, 1984, etc)

Thank you bros for pointing this out.

The same Catholic faith, you & the rest of Christendom label as idol worshippers.

As if your Pastorpreneurs don't bash them.

THEWRITERSMIND:
Nobody here needs you convincing them, this 1914 thing is a date your organization said was the time Jesus became king in heaven and cast down Satan to earth.

They also said the generation that saw 1914 will by no means pass away until Armageddon happens.

That's a real timeline with hard expiry date.

So the question is how long is a generation?

Are you telling us that the prophecies of Matthew 24:30-34 fulfilled within the 30/80 years time span in Jesus days?

When you get fixated on the 30/80 years , you are going to fight against verses 30-34

The scriptures is filled with prophecies with dual fulfilment time line, Matthew 24:3-14,30-34 is one of such.
When you isolate verse 34 alone, as Maximumimpact is doing, you are definitely on your own.

Splinz:
Oh nice.

However, be assured that UNITY & ONENESS; perfect agreement, is abundantly evident "in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Redeem Pastor & Dominion City wife , on this forum..
SCOAN & CAN

Church of the saints indeed !