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thorpido:
It ceased only with Jehovah's witnesses (or was never even there).

Emusan:
That's nice!

So all the claim of being guided by Holy Spirit, Jehovah himself, Jesus Christ are just NATURAL HUMAN CAPABILITY of the leaders of JWs.

That's why you can't address my questions.

What is the difference between SUPERNATURAL GIFT and being QUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH, OR JESUS CHRIST?



If [s]not because you're a clown, I was force to use that caustic word.

You're the very one who claimed "But in our midst they don't add their spiritual responsibility..."

This supernatural responsibilities is when you admitted that there're still PROPHET TODAY as Jesus said.

Now only to spew another thrash



So being a PROPHET is human human capabilities that's inborn, seriously you need to check the nut that loosen up there.



Nothing to get here, it's obvious your brother made a very nasty mistake for creating this thread which you people are fighting tooth and nail to defend[/s].

eomajeh:
How do you say they never claim that they bring their surmises "in the name of Jehovah", when they called the 1914 date they pushed "God's date, not ours"? Are you saying that they should have said we bring this 1914 date to you in the name of Jehovah?

How do you say they never claimed to be inspired when they said they are modern-day Ezekiel? Or are you saying ancient Ezekiel was just giving out his understanding?

How do you say they never claimed to be inspired when they say the "sayings" come from God's only channel of communication to mankind, and it's God's provision of meat in due season"?

How do you say they "acknowledge that their surmises may go wrong" when they represent those who do not accept those surmising as spiritually weak and lacking in faith?

RussellRutherfo:
Employee Publisher.
May you be forgiven for your lies.



Luke 19:11 NKJV — Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.


They went about teaching this or they thought?!!

Was Jesus still with them or not?

At this stage where the disciples teachers or still learning by following Jesus about? So when Jesus was teaching them via parable. Did they taught or they thought?!
Do you speak or understand English language very well?! Do you know their difference?

The JW organization when they gave authoritatively with specific dates of 1914, 1975 was Jesus with them and where they teaching this or "thoughting"

Are you not ashamed of telling lies against the Bible just so you can justify the lies of JW organisation. Same Bible verses provided by the same lying Governing Body without apologizing for the false lies that they told.


Acts 1:1-9 NKJV — The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. “But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.


Lying Publisher. Did the disciples here when Jesus was to ascend back. Did you see them going about giving a certain year that this or that will happen or the Bible you quoted reported here that instead that they were asking Jesus

Where is the false prophecy here like the 1914, 1975 etcetera by JW cult group? Please show me where. Are you sure you read and understand English language very well or the Governing Body script you crammed off their website is what you are pouring verbatim for us. Do you probably think if I show the Greek you might understand as English language seems difficult for you. I forgotten the Governing Body reads the Bible and think for you. Your own as every other JW is only to reparrot whatever they have said

JWs are NOT infallible.
JWs are NOT accountable to you.
Please exercise your right to WAIL till kingdom come

Luke 24:21,25 = Luke 19:11.
The popular teaching and belief of Jews even till tomorrow.

Prophet Nathan & Samuel made false predictions, was Jehovah still with them?
Go remove them from your Bible nau.
Mumu WAILER

The same people whom Jesus called "Senseless", made false predictions & are without perfect knowledge ,they wrote all the books of the new testament you're hiding in your bookshelf.

All the WAILERS are just seeking for outlet to vent sifia pains, ENVY & frustrations..

Emusan:
It's called grand delusional.

They can only manipulate the mind of their followers not the scripture.

Observe this quote and compare it with what they are trying to say on this thread and even the purpose of this thread.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN OPINION is expressed in watchtower Publications then from where did those failed predictions appear?

The irony of it and most ridiculous is that years later, see what another publication claimed.

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

Just imagine the nonsense some people are trying to defend.

achorladey:
Someone thinking about a thing of interest is different from someone teaching it. Abeg tell them again and again. I have said this too earlier. They will rather look elsewhere.

maximunimpact:
Even watchtower is confused about who the sower of the mustard seed truly is.

See below contradiction claims by watchtower:

The sower in the Matthew 13 parable is Satan or Jesus?

Claim one: The sower of the mustard seed is Satan

“It is the fake ‘kingdom of the heavens,’ the counterfeit, namely, Christendom, that is filled with these symbolic birds, ‘the sons of the wicked one.’ Today it is big enough to hold them all. In the parable, the ‘man’ that sowed the mustard grain pictures the ‘wicked one,’ Satan the Devil. Outstandingly in the fourth century C.E. Satan the Devil planted or specially cultivated this symbolic ‘mustard grain’ of contaminated, adulterated, imitation Christianity,” (Man’s Salvation Out Of World Distress, 1975, p. 208).


Claim two: The sower of the mustard seed is Jesus


“In the days of Jesus Christ and his apostles, the nation of Israel was just as apostate as in the days of Jeremiah and Hosea. In fact, it was the generation of Israel that brought about the death of Jesus the Messiah and that persecuted his apostles and first-century disciples. Such Israelites especially were the ones to whom Jesus, as well as Isaiah, referred as having their eyes plastered shut, their ears unresponsive, and their hearts unreceptive so that there was no spiritual healing for them. (Isa. 6:9, 10; Matt. 13:13-15; Acts 28:24-28) Hence that apostate generation suffered national calamity in 70 C.E. So, now, does anyone ask the question, How could Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain and yet have it become a tree of a foreign kind, the corrupt counterfeit called Christendom? The experience of Jehovah God with the ancient nation of Israel gives the divine answer to such a questioner!” (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1975, p. 600).

[s]How can anyone trust an organisation that speaks from both sides of the mouth?[/s]

1 Corinthians 13:9,how can anyone trust Paul who wrote pen different Epistles with partial knowledge?
Bros. deal with it.
1 Samuel 16:6, how can anyone trust prophet Samuel who made false prediction?
Bros,deal with it.

2 Samuel 7:3-4,14, how can anyone trust prophet Nathan who spoke not Jehovah's message?
Bros, deal with it.

1 Corinthians 15:12,How can anyone trust Jehovah's servants who said "there is no resurrection"

Luke 24:21,25, how can anyone trust Jehovah's servants who made false predictions & wrote all the books of the new testament?

How can anyone trust those Jesus called "Senseless" who wrote all the books of the new testament?

Maximumimpact fixation....

Kingsnairaland:
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Because God created another god

He equally equipped that new god to create his own god in the form of giving birth

[s]The circle continues

One man... One God... One human being.... One eternal being

Inside man is soul body spirit

Likewise inside God is the father the son the holy spirit

This formula is easy to understand the mystery was revealed through Jesus

It was hidden in ages
God said he revealed it through his son who takes over all what was given to Adam

So that God will be God in all[/s]

maximunimpact:
You are free to drink as much as you like, your choice

What do you have to say about this from your watchtower publication:

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

Galatians 1:1, Paul was inspired.
1 Corinthians 13:9, was Paul's knowledge perfect?

HISSCRIBE1995:
It's an irony sir.
The reason for not celebrating birthday is because it could lead to sin according to their beliefs, but the Bible said we should numbers our days.
Is it the day itself that would lead to sin or the people living the day or the celebration that would lead to sin or the things done during the day? Like drinking alcohol.

Which of these can lead one to sin?
Day,.man, ceremony or a thing like alcohol?

Don't they celebrate wedding ceremonies?
Don't they celebrate promotion at work?

Look at this illustration:

When your father tells you that criminals practice hedonistic lifestyle.
The question is:
Does your father approve of criminals?
Does your father approve of hedonistic lifestyle?
That is the import of Jehovah's message @Matthew 14:6 about birthdays.
Bros,2 Corinthians 6:14 & Romans 15:4, do you understand that message ?

Matthew 14:6 Jesus knows king Herod celebrated annual birthdays, why did Jesus not celebrate his?
Matthew 28:20, is birthday celebrations Jesus command to you?

HISSCRIBE1995:
1 John 5:7,9
[7]For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
[9]If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

The Bible said the three are one, then why have you chosen not to believe what the Bible said?
The holy spirit himself had also called himself "third person of the God head" in a testimony of a convert from islam

HISSCRIBE1995:
Now you said" jehovah's servants have no interest in the songs of individuals who worship 3 persons"
Notice the sentence "the songs of individuals who worship 3 persons"

The irony is that Some of This individuals whose secular songs you preferred listening to also believe in trinity.
The worst part is that their own songs are secular while the ones you rejected were talking about the same God you claim to worship.
What an irony!

maximunimpact:
Good question

They also don't celebrate birthday parties because it's worldly but consume alcohol, bear, booze and all sorts of highness

HISSCRIBE1995:
It's three persons in one (Unified) and not just three persons sir.

God is a mystery

HISSCRIBE1995:
1 John 5:7
[7]For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

That portion is NOT part of the holy scriptures.
Please go & find out.

HISSCRIBE1995:
I noticed that the jehova witnesses around me usually feel uncomfortable when a christian song is been played but they are quick to dance and sing along to secular (even ungodly ) songs.
They seems not to like hearing a christian sermon but would prefer to listen to sermons from other faith (islam)

Now the question is - why do these people react this way but chose to be more positive to unchristian subject rather than christian subject of which they are already familiar with.
It is also a wonder that these people Chosed not to be identified as Christians (please if I'm wrong with this assertions you can correct me)
I think these organizations need to be studied very well to see why they Chosed to be the way they are (their doctrines, and differences in scriptures)

If you know anything about this group called jehova witnesses, or had experienced some of their reactions, please share so that the church and general public can know more about them and their believes without castigsting anyone.

HISSCRIBE1995:
They don't believe in trinity.

HISSCRIBE1995:
Said jesus christ was an angel.

MaxInDHouse:
Brother, do you think the prosecutor wants to the accused to air his own side?
Please the one and only person that worth the response is the complainant otherwise no comment please, the scriptures! Isaiah 53:7 compare to Ecclesiastes 3:7

HISSCRIBE1995:
They said "man is dust and not a spirit being

EFULEFU1:
They Hate Jesus being praised

Kingsnairaland:
Let pray for them the bondage they are under is strong

livingchrist:
wisdom represent Jesus who is a person.
The holy spirit is a person just as wisdom (Jesus) is a person.

livingchrist:
If "no one" is specific like you said then no one knows the hour of Christ coming is also specific It is specific to revealed persons which are Angels, Jesus, God the father and men it does not include the holy spirit because the personhood of the holy spirit was not yet revealed because he has not be poured out.

Emusan:
And that's only personification of wisdom.

But why Holy spirit is different is that
1. Holy spirit has MIND (I challenge you to tell us non living things that said to have mind in the scripture)
2. Holy spirit has will which even the same with the Father and Jesus Christ
3. Holy spirit is an ADVOCATE just as Jesus is also an advocate (show us where non living things said to be an advocate in the scripture)
4. Holy spirit hears and can speak

Just to mention but few of the attributes of person identify in the scripture about Holy spirit

olamoses75:
About 40 branch pastors has been sacked by living faith church aka winners chapel for not meeting the church financial target. Read the full gist herehttps://seniorngr.com/2021/07/17/winner-chapel-sacks-pastor-for-not-meeting-financial-target-video/

true2god:
Hennessy, Whiskey, Heineken, Goldberg, Guinness Stout, etc all lined up closed to New World Translation JW Bible (NWT), Awake! and Watchtower magazines. [s]Why won't the 1914Ners publish books filled with beer parlour interpretation of the Bible[/s].

maximunimpact:
Lols

What makes you think people who hide pedophiles will want to make their network public?

Their money comes in every seconds via online offering box. Am sure your yearbook report will have more details

Bishopkingsley:
That why I told you when you worship the flesh of God you are equally worshiping God and when you worship the father of the flesh you are worshiping God why is it hard to understand

You are worshiping one being not two

awitness41:
Don't twist things, friend... the devil does that, and he also falsely accuses.
I didn't say every angel is God, you did.

And I don't subscribe to Jesus being Michael the Archangel, either.

livingchrist:
office cannot talk.
God said "let us create man in our image" God was not talking to office.

"They" "He" are personal pronouns used to describe persons not offices. Same error with Jehovah witness who believe the holy spirit is not a person but mere force even when the holy spirit was called an "He".

livingchrist:
It was written that there is none righteous according to your logic it includes God right?