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maximunimpact:
I wasn't the one who created a religion around 1914, its your governing body who did so it's your business and not my opinion.

If the question is about trinity and hellfire you guys with charge with uncountable bible verses like a he goat on drugs.

How long is a generation??

Maximumimpact, you are using a FALSE, misleading argument to claim that Matthew 24:3-14,30-39 will not fulfill again in this present time.
Maximumimpact WAYO argument

vybzkartel:
Hebrews 13:12-13

[12] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.
[13]Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.

Dear Christian,

Please, who sanctifies you? From the above verses, Jesus is our sanctifier. But who else sanctifies men other than God?



2 Thessalonians 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

John 4:24

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

achorladey:
Yes, people are often swift to label Jehovah’s Witnesses “false prophets

But Jehovah's witnesses are not swift in calling others false Christians or in pidgin (lie lie Christians) in this same lie lie ones are the honest hearted(truthful) that you seek to convert into members.

Jehovah's witnesses know they are not inspired or claimed they are not inspired and still went ahead to print magazines like the one below....

So what do you expect others to call them when the same mouth that says they are not prophet says they are?

E get as e be ooo

true2god:
#1.
Sound reasoning is when you make a decision (or say something) that is consistent. Your governing has no sound reasoning hence they are changing doctrines and making false predictions and prophecies.
#2
Besides, people with sound reasoning will not go against a state law that demand reporting child molesters to the public for documentation.
#3
An organization with a sound reasoning will not suggest divorce for a lady (or a man) whose husband decide to leave the organization.

#4
Who is ‘THEY’ as you used in this context? Your governing body, in your July 2011 watchtower magazine, said any JW that leave the watchtower has a mental disease. Go and get the magazine and see things for yourselves. You will determine if the governing body is actually sane.

#4B
Repeating this passive blackmail will not change anything. Why the sudden bashing of the guy when he didn’t reason along your religious script?
#5
When you answer the ‘generation’ question about your 1914 fallacy you will get a response from him.

Caveat: You are free to worship anything, even a stone as long as you don’t throw it at me.

More important, give this forum the proof that your Church Pastors handed over child molesters for prosecution. No be to dey make mouth dey make accusations upandan.
Bros, walk the talk. Show the proof!

5
On the basis of your claims about "THIS GENERATION" , is the fulfilment of Matthew 24:3-14 ,30-34 limited to "THIS GENERATION" in Maximumimpact options A to C?

Bros, Did THIS Generation " see the son of man send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet"?

maximunimpact:
Who is talking about the generation in Jesus time on earth in first century here?

Am talking about the generation that saw 1914, the ones your governing body said they'll not all pass away until Armaggedon happens.

So I ask again:

maximunimpact:
It wasn't me that said 1914 was the year "Christ's presence began", it was your governing body.

They also said that the generation that saw 1914 will not pass away until Armaggedon, or are you denying watchtower didn't predict it?

So how long is a generation?

Answer this and stop dodging and derailing, until you provide answer to this question it means all JWs are not normal.

Here's the question again:

maximunimpact:
Classic JWs style, always dodging when they get caught.

My question is quite simple answer or forever remain under chains:

You think say you get sense dey form James Bond

Questions for you, Maximumimpact & friends.

#1.
Did THIS GENERATION that will not pass away see the fulfilment of all the things in Matthew 24:3-14?
#2.
Bros, is Matthew 24:3-14 still fulfilling today?

#5
Bros, which Generation will " see the son of man send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet"?

#6
On the basis of your claims about "THIS GENERATION" , is the fulfilment of Matthew 24:3-14 ,30-34 limited to "THIS GENERATION" in your options A to C?

MaxInDHouse:
Don't worry your friends will continue to hail you after all you've rubbishes their most revered Daddy GO and to top it all you've told them that all their religions are rubbish (including JWs)



The highlighted is what made JWs realize that you're under medications and constant watch of those who chose not to tie you down like Faze's song says. Kolo mental!

I just wonder why those assigned to administer your drugs left you unattended to with the cell phone in your hand!

johnw47:
hi, fearful mad max cannot answer your question or admit to his groups bad performance: false prophecies, child abuse cover up's etc.

but it's an interisting question in another way also
God said the life of a person is generally 70 to 80 years depending on strength/health
and on average their is 3 generations alive at the same time
example: child, parents, and grandparents

so between 70 and 80 is 75, divided by 3 is 25 years a generation

psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away

maximunimpact:
I thought so!

This question is the foundation upon which JWs believes is based, if the foundation is shaky what will happen to the house built on it?

It will come crashing!

JWs sect was founded on a lie with an expiry date, if you had given any answer to that question you have just picked your own expiry date for your religion.

The year 1914 is the foundation, if it was a lie all along it means Jesus did not come (it was later changed to "Christ's presence began" ) that year, if Jesus did not come that year it means he never appointed your governing body as faithful and discrete slave, if he didn't appoint them it means they are charlatans, if they are charlatans it means you are not even a Christian!

So I ask you again:

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ warned you against All doctrines and traditions of men, not just the JW kind. Last I checked, the very foundation of your churches are built on top of these abominations against God.

All doctrines and traditions of men are an abomination to God as they drive you all away from God and His Truth, making bull the power of God and rendering your worship of Him void.

Afamsi:
I said it before but the came for me. Yet I will keep saying it because God said so " All Jehovah Witnesses will end up in hell fire, unless they change their doctrines " and stop preaching heresy; making God a liar. Nobody should disturb my mention, I dont have strength for endless argument. anyone that doesn't agree should argue with God.

johnw47:
the Church is not a building but a called out people

the Church in God's word is called:

the Church of God
the Church of Jesus Christ
the body of Christ, and many more names and titles than that

but no where in God's word is God's Church called:

the church of jehovah's witnesses/or the assembly of jehovahs witnesses
or the church of the mormons/or the church of the latter day saints etc.

these are sects that are imposters



1Co 1:2  Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

MaxInDHouse:
The thread is now becoming more and more interesting as each antagonist is OPEN-MINDED on what they have @ at:

Splinz:
Okay, so there's this doctrine of JWs I've been hearing often. Also, it has generated a lot of heated arguments, much more than any other topic among JWs.

Now, I'd like us to discuss it. I mean, I want to hear specifically from a member of JWs here about this topic before I can draw my conclusions. The topic in question is: WHO IS JESUS. And please, I'd like it answered in the following order:

1. Before born of Mary, did Jesus have a preexistence? If yes, who was he before he was born of a woman?

2. Whilst he was on earth, who was he? And...

3. After ascension, what is his current position?

Please, I'd prefer DappaD to come for this discussion for obvious reason:

I believe he has that needed maturity for a discussion of this kind. Thank you.

Bishopkingsley:
Only God can satisfy God

God finds error with his angels non can satisfy God that why God had to do it by himself

Open your eyes and see his works
No one can do what it takes to save man angels are not our image

Image is what you see in the mirror put a mirror in front of an angel you won't see man

Put a mirror in front of God that when you see man

PARACLETOS:
What I want is where JESUS WAS CREATED

PARACLETOS:
1. On Luke. 19:11,
were the Apostles the ones preaching about the kingdom in that passage?


2. On Act. 15:2-30.
Verse 1 state "And certain men (not Apostles) which came down from judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Question... Show me where the Apostles or Christ taught that CIRCUMCISION was a criteria for salvation?

Verse. 2, Paul and Banabas contended with them (argued with them otherwise). But they did not accept their opposition to the teachings of circumcision as a panacea for salvation. They had to send delegation to Jerusalem.

Verse 5 made us to know that those "certain men" who were teaching circumcision, were PHARISEES and not APOSTLES.

Verdict: THE APOSTLES NEVER TAUGHT CIRCUMCISION AND SO NEVER RETRACTD IT.
INSTEAD IT WAS THE PHARISEES WHO TAUGHT IT AND AFTER THE MEETING AT JERUSALEM, THEIR TEACHINGS WERE CONDEMNED grin

On 1 Corinthians 1:10-14,
Your opinion here is not sensible at all.
Are you saying that the Apostles had taught Disunity amongst brethren?

Question: Show me where the Apostles taught DISUNITY IN THE CHURCH?

On 1 Corinthians 15:12,
About your claim, PLEASE POINT OUT THE NAME OF THE APOSTLE WHO TAUGHT THE CHURCH THAT
Just like in Acts 15, where you lied about the APOSTLES on a subject matter that was clearly Taught by the PHARISEES, so have you done here.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE WATCHTOWER WITNESSES ARE VERY GOOD AT QUOTING SCRIPTURES OUT OF CONTEXT TO DECEIVE THE UNLEARNED

PARACLETOS:
Colossians 1:15-16
New International Version

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him

I have not seen where JESUS WAS CREATED

Bishopkingsley:
I want you to identify your Micheal that why I moved to your Bible teaching

PARACLETOS:
Colossians 1:15-16
New International Version

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him

I have not seen where JESUS WAS CREATED

Bishopkingsley:
Your Bible say your god is the throne of Jesus
So angel Michael is sitting on your god right

PARACLETOS:
Which of the teachings of Christ and His Apostles are OBSOLETE?

Bishopkingsley:
You say.

Questions 1-3, there is no similarity between Jesus Christ and Melchizedek

Is that a question or answer

PARACLETOS:
I will not be diverted... I have searched and searched and searched but I have not seen "FIRST CREATED OF EVERY CREATURE.
Please help me out... That's what I want from anywhere in the Bible, Genesis to Revelation.

PARACLETOS, you have seen it in your Bible but you refused to see it & rejected it.

Psalms 90:1-2 & Colossians 1:15, do you comprehend?

FIRST CREATED OF EVERY CREATURE"
BORN=CREATE.
Bros, Na your Bible talk am

PARACLETOS:
Denounce WATCHTOWER first then we will talk.

PARACLETOS:
Which of the teachings of Christ and His Apostles are OBSOLETE?

If your founder Rutherford and Russell had consistently preached and published ONLY THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST, would you now retract and make those teachings OBSOLETE?

What does the Bible say about a building built on WRONG OR FAULTY FOUNDATION?

THE WATCHTOWER WITNESSES AND THE ORGANIZATION WAS BUILT ON A FALSE, LIES, ERROR, PERVASIVE, AND OBSOLETE FOUNDATION

Bishopkingsley:
One guy here explained how Jesus was of the order of Melchizedek.

In that he is our high priest you need to see how he explained it

And I researched and found out his reference was accurate

Kobojunkie:
Because it is up to JWs, not the law, to judge crimes, including rapes?

The Jws get to make final decision on validity of her rape claim even after the right authorities have finished and concluded it so?

So, when a JW woman screams rape, it is up to the JWs counsel to decide if was an "mistaken" rape? I really don't get your last statement there.

Bishopkingsley:
John 13:35, NLT: "Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.

I already said that all members of a particular group love themselves

If you are a deeper life member they love themselves,, Jehovah witness love themselves,, mention any church their groups love themselves

So I added a quality that not every group has which is holy spirit with the ability to speak in tongues

true2god:
’Eating and drinking’ in the Bible has no different meaning from ’Eating and drinking’ outside the Bible. I told you that over 99% of people that eat and drink, drink water while the rest might take other beverages with their food (alcoholic and non-alcoholic). Making a blanket claim that wherever ’Eating and drinking’ appears mean eating and drinking alcoholic beverages stems from ignorance, stupidity, or poor comprehension and analytical skill which is a prerequisite for being a good False Witness (Jehovah’s witness)


For a thing to be popular doesn’t make it right. The Bible in countless occasions condemned the taking of alcohol. That your organization approves the taking of beer, hard liquor and other hard liquid substance doesn’t make it right. Your organisation had make many things lawful in the past which, when their light becomes darker, makes it unlawful now. It seems you are grossly ignorant of how your organization operates.

Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."

Isaiah 5:11f: "Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.

Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality.

[b]It is even ironic that, while the Bible never condemned birthday in any place, watchtower condemned it because of bad occurrences during two occasions birthday was mentioned in the Bible. [/b]You must be unstable and inconsistent to be a loyal JW.

[s]Keep worshipping the 8-men at Brooklyn, NY (US) who are in-charge of how you think and behave. [/s]

Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality.

[b]Bros, wey dey quote Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk" & Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk , does Lot and Noah eat food?

According to your quote of Genesis 9:20-26 & Genesis 19:30-38 & Romans 13:13, old and new Testament,is eating and drinking alcohol widespread and popular?

No be you talk say JWs Bar Owners warned their customers to desist from drunkenness?
Is your memory so short?


[b]Making a blanket claim that wherever ’Eating and drinking’ appears mean eating and drinking alcoholic beverages stems from ignorance, stupidity, or poor comprehension and analytical skill...
The Bros wey give us quote of Genesis 9:20 & 19:30 and Proverbs 23:20 proven his analytical skills & comprehension skills are very poor
.

true2god:
Thank you for this exposee. It is only the wise that will see lies and deceit and avoid such.

According to Rutherfo DECEIVING himself.
For your mind, the sect of Pharisees were believers in Jesus Christ?

Shebi Matthew5:20 & 1 Corinthians 1:10-14 no dey your Bible?