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Bishopkingsley:
NAME calling shows you are not from God

achorladey:
That is to say no single occurrence. [/b]The answer I needed you have supplied.

Learning From Jesus’ Final Words................. you should know where that came from

...[b]no one single occurrence where he used the name

My God My God My God why have you forsaken me.

Father into your hands..............

HYPOCRISY = Geneva Bible 1599 says ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS and it is the TRUTH

but when Geneva Bible says JESUS IS GOD it is as you will say DECEPTIONS, LIES e.t.c


BIGOTRY = Pastorpreneurs is what you attach to leaders of other Christian denominations.

John 17:1,6
I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word"

Achorladey's own 'God' was taught the name he revealed to those his Father have given him.

Achorladey continue DECEIVING yourself.
Your fo*lishness is luminous.
TUEH !!!!

Bishopkingsley:
You are free to hate Jesus

true2god:
Are you saying that God had exalted angel Michael and gave him a name above every name that at the mention of the name of angel Michael every knee shall bow? Why was angel Michael struggling with the devil when every principalities and power can bow in his name?

Try harder and get more confused by the watchtower.
I never said there was a physical confrontation between Angel Michael and the devil in Jude 9. I said Michael couldn’t handle the situation without invoking the name of the Lord. .

Shalom!

achorladey:
Janosky only need to show just one verse where Jesus called God Jehovah directly.

Even until his death just as they learn in their magazines. He didnt call God Jehovah.

true2god:
Going by your argument, did Jesus call the father’s name JEHOVAH? Show us any evidence from any Hebrew of Greek manuscript where God is called Jehovah. The reading THE LORD JEHOVAH reeks in watchtower’s theological bias.


Where was God addressed as Jehovah in by Hagar in Genesis 16:7-13? Has God revealed his name in Genesis 16? Stop reading watchtower biases into every biblical text where God is found.

I never said there was a physical confrontation between Angel Michael and the devil in Jude 9. I said Michael couldn’t handle the situation without invoking the name of the Lord. I also try to tell you that it shows that arch-angel Michael has lesser power and authority to handle that situation and if you say that it was pre-incarnated Jesus that couldn’t handle the devil, that shows that the Jesus of the watchtower is different from the Jesus of we Christians. The Jesus of we Christians is the ‘Lord and Saviour’ who Paul evidently said he wasn’t an angel in Hebrews 1:1-10. and Philllipians 2;5-10.

5 Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself.

6[b] He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. [/b]

7 Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human!

8 Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death - and the worst kind of death at that: a crucifixion.

9 Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever,

10 so that all created beings in heaven and on earth - even those long ago dead and buried - will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ,

This is the Jesus and the Christ we know and not the angel who watchtower elevated to the position of ‘Lord and saviour’.

Shalom!

Your Jesus is an anglicized form , because you have no proof of the real name of the person you call "Jesus."
Bros, allow us the same liberty to call God 'Jehovah' ,the Latinized form of YHWH.

The name "JEHOVAH" is not "corrupted".
Wetin the anglicized from of Jeremiah, John, Jude , Joshua dey do for your Bible?
Is it their Hebrew names?
Bros your claim DUBIOUS.

Bishopkingsley:
and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“

When this verse even say he is the true God

What the difference with true God and God almighty

I know you hate Jesus but to deny him who he is is a great sin

Bishopkingsley:
Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”

John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”

John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“

Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“

John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“

. John 5:18 “This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.“

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“

John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“

1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“

Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

(i am He) note this is God name in old testament when he told Moses see it bellow

John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

John 8:22-24 “This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.

Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”

1 Corinthians 8:6 “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.“

Revelation 1:17-18 “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.“

Only God can be worshiped. Jesus was worshiped.

Matthew 2:1-2 “After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Matthew 28:8-9 “So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.“

Jesus is prayed to revealing that He is God
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. Acts 7:59-60 “And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.“

Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”


. 2 Corinthians 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”

John 20:27-28 “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Peter 1:1 “Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.“

Acts 20:28 “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.“

John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”

Bishopkingsley:
I like this part

John 13:18-19

I am who I am.

The same thing God said to Moses

Bishopkingsley:
No that not Jesus that asked u that

Jesus can't break his words

I am that I am our one true God

Bishopkingsley:
you hate Jesus that why it not clear to you

and come to know better and more clearly Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ (the Messiah). This [Man] is the true God and Life eternal.


know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

1 John 5:20

This is so sweet God told me his is happy with me that this verse will stand against you on the last day for not believing

Bishopkingsley:
1 John 5:20

We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

true2god:
The comparison you try to make is wrong. I have known Mohammadu Buhari for many many years and his name remains the same. The prefix ‘Presiident’ was added to his name to echo his current political power as the head of state. That nobody remembers his ‘real’ name before he becomes president shows you are either very very young or ignorant.

Name is key in everything. Of course Yeshua (or Jesus his anglicized name) remains his name prior his earthly incarnation and after his heavenly ascension.

This is what God said about Yeshua:

Pslam 110:1 The Lord (YHWH) said unto my Lord (Yeshua), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Apostle Paul also made reference to this statement in Hebrews 1:13 thus:

But to which of the angels said He at any time, “Sit on My right hand until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool”?


You are free to lie to defend the watchtowers lies. It is your fundamental human right. No angel (whether arch or nominal) has God almighty ever said he should sit at his right hand. You have been lied to and you cannot lie to me because I know.

Buhari’s childhood name is/was Muhammadu Buhari and will remain so until he officially do a name change in an approved court of law or a notary public. Stop lying out of ignorance or attempt to patronize the watchtower society.

true2god:
Wrong! The word ‘Jehovah’ is actually the corrupted word coined from the tetragrammaton YHWH, the supposed name of God he revealed to Moses in mount Sanai. The word tetragrammaton is a 4-consonant letter, without vowels in Jewish religious lexicon. The name is considered so holy that it was an anathema for mere mortals to pronounce it. The Jews don’t pronounce J (jay) when referencing YHWH but closer to Y (wai). YAHWEH is even more appropriate than JEHOVAH since the Jews don’t pronounce J (jay). No any Jew call God Jehovah.

true2god:
Besides, there is nowhere the word (YHWH) appear in the new testament Greek scripture and for New World Translation putting Jehovah in Jude 9 is fraudulent. The writer or Jude never put the word Jehovah in that text.

true2god:
This is what Zechariah 3:2,

The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?”

If you look into the text well, how many people are speaking here? Which Lord spoke to Satan and which Lord rebuked him?

true2god:
Of course Michael couldn’t handle the devil hence has to invoke a higher authority. You are saying that Jesus has no final authority over principalities and power which is a lie. See what Paul said in Philipans 2: 9;

For this reason, also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, so that as the name of Jesus, EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in Heaven and on the earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory God the Father.”

Are you saying that the name of Yeshua is not capable of bringing the devil to order in Jude 9? Are you saying that God had exalted angel Michael and gave him a name above every name that at the mention of the name of angel Michael every knee shall bow? Why was angel Michael struggling with the devil when every principalities and power can bow in his name?

Try harder and get more confused by the watchtower.

There was no physical struggle, rather it was a verbal dispute/argument/disagreement in both Zechariah 3:2 & Jude 1:9.
The Bible lexicon for "DISPUTE" disproves your claim.
Matthew 4:4-10, Jesus had a verbal dispute with Satan,no be physical struggle.
@ Matthew 4:4-10, Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2, Jesus (Archangel Michael deferred to Jehovah's supreme authority. (Pls check it thoroughly & confirm it yourself )
Bros, the events of Jude 1:9 when Moses died & Zechariah 3:2 occurred before Jesus earthly ministry & fulfilment of Philippians 2:5-9.
Jesus Christ was exalted in Phil 2:5-9 after his death & ascension to heaven.

Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself.

true2god:
Jude 1:9, But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Who is that Lord that the archangel Michael invoked to rebuke the devil in Jude 1:9?

livingchrist:
Jesus will forever remain the God-man, he will not remove his humanity rather he will retain his humanity for all eternity.

inforesource:
Jesus resurrected as human being, with flesh and blood. Thomas touches him proofs that. He is in heaven as human, blood flowing in his vains but eternity power is on him

Kobojunkie:
I see Satan more as God's quality control manager on the evil side... Like he tests mans every weaknesses to ensure man at least meets God's standard.

The conversation God has with Satan in Job 1 is quite revealing of this.

MaxInDHouse:
Deadi bodi geti accident yeepa!

Confusion breaki bonu yeepa!

Na double wahala for deadi bodi and the owner of deadi bodi double wahala for deadi bodiiiiiii!
Na double wahala for deadi bodi and the owner of deadi bodi double wahala for deadi bodiiiiiii!

Where are the trinitarians?

Come and save one of your brethren whose fire of faith is gradually extinguishing as there is no oil to continue lighting up his lamp! Matthew 25:1-12

I would have helped him but this is the time to answer for all his errors, sebi all this while that i've notice how conscientious he is i was trying to give him the oil that will sustain his lamp but what he always say is DELUSION! DELUSION!! all because he doesn't want to subject himself under the Organization God is using.

He was busy contemplating on the complaint of Apostates that left the truth, OK why not go and ask those Apostates to help him solve the riddle?

Just imagine a simple question our kids in JW Organization will answer with ease:

Why must God sacrifice His Son for the sin of Adam and Eve?

Well i'm still waiting for your trinitarian brethren to come and answer the question for you, because the only key to solve the riddle is in the hands of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

I'm saying it now with boldness that the only key to unlock the door is with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, whoever wants to dispute that can come forward now to answer MightySparrow's question!

Bishopkingsley:
Are you blind by where he said I and my father are one

Are this thing really hidden from you by satan

Funkybabee:
Read my respond again

And check the post again

Bishopkingsley:
Unfortunately many anti christ have gone ahead of us to teach weak minds that Jesus is not God

1. They claim he was Michael
2. They claim he is only son
3. They claim he is God mighty but not almighty


Well nothing u say can make them see the truth it hidden from them they can't see that Jesus is God

Bros, John 20:17, did Jesus reject your claim?
Why do you DECEIVE yourself?

1. Daniel 10:13 & Daniel 12:1, Geneva
Bible,1599.
The Geneva Bible was used to produce your KJV..
2. Bros, you made a FALSE claim &
DUBIOUSLY framed the expression "only
son."
Jesus called himself "only begotten son,"
3. Bros, why do you dispute against Jesus Christ @ John 20:17 & Revelation 3:5,12?

"Mighty God" is a title for man, Jesus, angels & Yahweh.
Bros, roger that.

Funkybabee:
God will open your eyes to see more of it

The word is beyond a physical understand

Bishopkingsley:
May Jesus our God have mercy on u for not knowing him properly

My Igbo brethren will say: "Just negodu !"

The same 'oly ghost giving 'Bishop K' & 'Funky B's conflicting revelations & DECEIVING them.
The God & Father of all is NOT the God of confusion, Ephesians 4:6.1 Corinthians 14:33.
You guys are indeed super confused

Matthew 16:13-17, 1 Corinthians 3:23, 1Corinthians 11:1,3, & John 20:17,Did Paul and Peter receive conflicting teaching from Jesus Christ?

Bishopkingsley:
The evidence is this

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you....

What has he commanded me

To teach you.... the words of Christ

To remind you...

, "Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father.

Bishopkingsley:
Should I show you where God said we should worship Jesus

And you will accept that Jesus is God after I show it to u

Bishopkingsley:
God is all in all why is it hard for u to understand this English

God can be a father and a son together

MaxInDHouse:
First of all you need to check the supposed Bible verse in different translations not just pick one that's the handiwork of your Trinity worshipers!

Bishopkingsley:
You will never see Bible that put your meaning
Mind u I have converted many jehova witness

I show one of you where holy spirit spoke then he believed that holy spirit is not a force

And he repented

OBALOLA55:
WHY ARE YOU QUOTING ME SIR

Hanibbal:
This goes against the book of Genesis. We were taught that Adam and Eve were created in God's image which represents Immortality and eternal radiance but sin cut that off. It destroyed the eternal nature of God in them and God pronounced that from dust they were made and to dust they shall return.

Kobojunkie:
Who "Sees" this?
The world that is churning forward oblivious to the evil at work in it?
The religious world also decieved by the lies of the devil in them into believing it is at war with Him?

Funkybabee:
Thank you for the quote, I want to include Christ who came in flesh to it