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true2god:
Why are afraid of quoting it yourself and explain same to me. Go and take your 5 bottles of beer, as advised by your GB, and stop calling Jesus a drunkard. Explain how the accusation by the Jews, who always find fault in him, made him a consumer of alcohol (Luke 7:34).

"people were eating and drinking".
* 1 Corinthians 10:31 "whether you are eating and drinking, do all things for God's glory"

Luke 7:34 "....the Son of Man came eating and drinking...".

You mean Jesus led people into sin by turning water into wine?
Jesus drank alcohol....
Bros roger that.
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true2god:
Very correct! It is like when an aggressor shouting he is being victimized after killing his victim. The watchtower will shout 'persecuted' but will devote all their energy attacking other Christians in their magazines. The irony here is that an average JW cant even see into this hypocrisy. [/b]That is the level of manipulation they have been subjected to by their GB and their organization.

[b]Can You Identify The Perfect Guy On This Billboard? Is It Jesus? by seunH: 11:41pm On Jun 29, 2017
true2god:
At times we need to relax the mood in the house and apply a good sense of humour. That aside, does the bill board speaks of someone you are familiar with?

SeunH:
Habaaaa my bro, thats very offensive, responsible people may mistake you for a troll, and this may lead to a non benefitial, insult filled argument....!!!
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true2god:
Technically the 'Governing Body' has replaced the 'Holy Spirit'. We are getting there gradually; the light is getting brighter darker day by day.

Matthew 20: 19: Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Governing Body).

MaxInDHouse:
God instructed His people to buy strong drink and enjoy themselves!

And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
KJV Deuteronomy 14:26



Jesus turned water to WINE! John 4:46



Hope you're not playing the extremist here?

true2god:
Thanks for the clarification. Maybe he now assumes the position of the 'governing body' here on Nairaland to determine what we should accept as the 'Bible truth', the so-called 'Bible truth' that is subject to modification when the JWs dark light becomes brighter.

true2god:
Luke 7:31-35 NIV: Jesus went on to say, “To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: “ ‘We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’ For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children.”. The bible advised to the contrary:

Proverbs 31:6 - Give strong drink (including beer) to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter.

Proverbs 20:1 – “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.” ...


The passage never said Jesus drank alcoholic beverages. The Bible condemned strong drinks (alcohol) in its strongest term. Lying against Jesus to encourage ‘drunkenness’ shows how desperate JWs could be. I am 200% sure that if your guys get a new light, from the governing body, that alcohol is bad, you will immediately change your tune and start condemning alcohol. That the Jews condemned Jesus that he did miracles with the power of demons, does that make them right?

Stop defending evil. I have seen many witnesses whose husbands have drinking problems, because of the false teachings of the watchtower, but the wives have to stay because the elders convinced them to. I have a JW friend whose parents run a ‘beer parlour’ business and they usually open shops as soon as they are back from their preaching work. If a customer demands for 12 bottles of big stout will they advise him to drink responsibly? Do you have any passage of the Bible that asked Christians to drink alcohol beverage but responsibly?

Stop insulting Jesus.

true2god:
Jesus was not said to have drank alcolohic beverage and JWs are some of the worst drinkers.

Image123:
It's not a maybe brother. It is evident. You can't sell those magazines without drinking, it can be depressing.

livingchrist:
Modalism is the belief that God is one person who only has three names or has three office, however trinity is the doctrine that teaches that God is a trinity of persons.
Trinity has alot of backing from the scriptures right from Genesis when God said "let us make man" "us" used is a plural word for more than one persons and "Elohim" itself is a plural form of Eloi it literally means Gods.
Deuteronomy 6:4 also backs the trinity the the Lord thy God is one God.
The word translated as one is Echad which means a unity of plurality.
Yachad is used for a single individual,
Again, take a look at the scripture below,

Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The person who is speaking prophetically is Jesus the one being sent, he is sent by the Lord God and his spirit, note how the spirit was separated from the Lord God by the use of "and" Jesus was sent by God the father and the Holy spirit making three persons.

The new testament is filled with the teaching of the trinity.

Oneness penticostal like every other false religion denies the scripture and instead hold to emotional/ psuedo-logical appeal instead.

What they do is actually calling Jesus a liar, how do you preach a Jesus you do not believe his words?

Jesus didnt glorify himself but the father.
Jesus said he was sent by the father, and that his testimony is true because his father also testify of him fulfilling the law, If Jesus was the same person as the father, he would have being lying and therefore broke his own law, the devil would have used that as an accusation.

Jesus said he has being with the father and knows everything the father does, infact John tells us Jesus was with God.

Jesus said he does not glorify himself, meaning some one else glorified Jesus, did the book of proverb not teach us that we shouldnt glorify ourself?

Jesus also said that he would send someone like himself who is the holy spirit.

When Jesus ascended to heaven he said he is going back to the father.

When stephen saw Jesus he saw Jesus standing at God's right hand,

John on the Island of pathos saw someone sitting on the throne with the lamb coming to take a book from him,

The epistles of the apostles are filled with greetings and teachings separating the three personalities.
For example, the Christian creed is
One faith, one hope, one baptism, one spirit, on Lorr who is out Lord Jesus and one God who is the father.

The last chapter of revelation Jesus and God are sitting on the throne, the holy spirit is called the seven spirit who is also before the throne.

Thos and many more are clear teachings of the trinity

rottennaija:
Jwfacts.com
Tell us, is there anytime in history that men have not been lovers of themselves, self assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, slanderers

achorladey:
You always quote you hardly understand them as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate their faith. Oga no be YOU MUST ABIDE by it. You are not made to remain as BABES under anyone the reason you are asked to grow up and avoid been tossed here and there by these people you call YOU MUST if you fail to CONTEMPLATE on how their conduct is and turn out.

Paul and Peter a good example Galatians 2 is your reference point. One was contemplating the conduct of the other.

I don talk this matter with you before no dey do shakara over this issue. Your religious leaders can never replace Jesus the highest they can do is AMBASSADORS shikena. They can't stop Jesus from going to wherever he wants to go or reach whomever he wants to.

The Son is still working he said it while on earth paapaa.

falseprophet:
Jesus doesn't need to knock on physical doors, but He can still knock on the doors of our hearts.

Today knowledge is now abundance and the bible is now available to us unlike the 1st century christians who worshipped without the complete christian greek scriptures.

So in essence I mean preaching of the gospel is not done only by JWs, there were christian missionaries who crossed continents to bring the message to Africa.

falseprophet:
I have never made any excuses for sin here, my point is that salvation does not come from works of righteousness, if that's the case then why does Christ have to die?

It is still JWs that are showing bad behavior here with insults and threats, it is still them that claims they are saved because they are righteous.

achorladey:
The reason your Max said anyone going behind or not bowing to your religious leaders and decides to go directly to Jesus na OYO be im case. Do you know agree that your religious leaders are the way, the truth and life?

Yes/No? Simple question

achorladey:
Janosky Bring those scriptures first here. We will show who encounter who first?

achorladey:
After all one said should you decide to go to Jesus directly na OYO be the person case . They will abandon you that very instance.

achorladey:
It is normal for imperfect Jehovah's witnesses but destruction for other Christian denominations. Like the other one said earlier some are spiritually mature than others. Using style to save face of their brother whom they already see has stepping over the line. The whole thing becomes a laughing matter considering the creator of thread had earlier cautioned JANOS too over this predicaments they find themselves. These ones hardly tow the line. Jumping out of order is just never far away no matter how civil you go about it. No be today dem start am.

achorladey:
Thank you for acknowledging that even couples of same one faith(not interfaith) fight and have issues even jump from congregation to congregation as a result of that.

falseprophet:
It can't be both!

Here's why:

Romans 9:16 - So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Do you really think you can attain salvation by works of righteousness (living up to your dedication)?

Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

2 Corinthians 5:21 - He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Christians are saved by ransom sacrifice of Christ through grace and not by living up to any dedication vow.

1 John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Like I said earlier, JWs claim they believe in Jesus's ransom sacrifice but in reality they think they are saved because they love God and not because God love them, they think they are saved because they are righteous and not because of grace.

falseprophet:
Imperfection is different from outright hypocrisy.

Your fellow member obviously created this thread to try in his own capacity to spread the words of your kingdom and in doing so attracted some of us who knows the truth about JWs.

Instead of comporting himself and pretend like you guys always pretend when knocking on doors, he decided to insult and threaten.

Both on this thread and in offline world JWs are always the aggressors pretending to be victims of hate and persecution.

falseprophet:
yes Jesus can say "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father without being an extremist because the bible infact say so.

But where in the bible does it say your governing body is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father except through them?

OkCornel:
Both. The latter (Jesus’ sacrifice and grace) is the starting point, dedication is required to remain in the walk.

It’s like a relationship, you don’t stop putting in efforts to make it work the moment your partner agrees to marry you (or agree to be in a relationship with you)

falseprophet:
Is your salvation dependent on keeping up to your dedication or by Jesus's ransom sacrifice and grace?

falseprophet:
You have not made any point, we both quoted from the same text, so?

falseprophet:
What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 6 & 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:


6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

falseprophet:
You make it sound as if you believe in the bible, but in reality you and JWs don't! I have provided irrefutable proof that your dedication and governing body cannot be found in the same bible you said i should go and study.

You are so wrong on the personality of Jesus or how i view Him, everything about the king of kings is written in the bible and if you study from the bible you are supposed to know that already, but am not surprised you still think Jesus is an image hung on the wall or the one painted in your "book of bible stories".

I am not antagozing you as you claim, the facts in my posts are the things turturing your conscience and you know it.

Falseprophet wey no know say dedication & worship of Jehovah goes hand in hand, even though the Scriptural examples are luminous.

achorladey:
And worshippers of one DOGHEADS who are of the same FAITH(not interfaith) dont fight under one roof. Loooool! Despite following their one DOGHEADS instruction to marry from same faith.

Pele ti e.

Even jumping from one congregation to another congregation because of such fight within the same organization. E get as e be.

Splinz:
I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.

I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.

But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.

And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?

Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

falseprophet:
What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:


3. It is not due to any "dedication" to God on our part that we inherit everlasting life. By teaching this, JWs actually deny the ransom, although paying lip service to it.

4. JWs have robbed Jehovah by emphasizing their love for him, rather than HIS love for them.

5.
a. Because of JWs doctrine of Dedication they
have made God's word invalid in that they
are able to judge their brothers' and sisters'
spirituality,
b. compare their activity against others,
c. and even have given "scriptural grounds" for marriage partners to separate. These are all things the Scriptures tell us not to do. (Matthew 7:1-2; Romans 14:4, 10, 13; 2 Corinthians 10:12; Galatians 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

falseprophet:
What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:

1. The nation of Israel was not dedicated to God, but rather was in a covenant with him. Those two are not the same; the terms are not interchangeable.

2. Dedication has nothing to do with having one's prayers heard by God. Did Cornelius dedicate himself to God in order for his prayers to be heard?

3. It is not due to any "dedication" to God on our part that we inherit everlasting life. By teaching this, JWs actually deny the ransom, although paying lip service to it.

4. JWs have robbed Jehovah by emphasizing their love for him, rather than HIS love for them.

5. Because of JWs doctrine of Dedication they have made God's word invalid in that they are able to judge their brothers' and sisters' spirituality, compare their activity against others, and even have given "scriptural grounds" for marriage partners to separate. These are all things the Scriptures tell us not to do. (Matthew 7:1-2; Romans 14:4, 10, 13; 2 Corinthians 10:12; Galatians 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

falseprophet:
It's funny how you use words such as "exposed yourself" and "deceive yourself" to reply my posts because I have been the one doing the exposing of JWs from the beginning. All you do is use vulgar words like ungodly folks and I know how you are feeling right now, just like Islamic terrorists will want to bomb infidels for not converting to Islam. That's how extremism starts!

Back to the real deal:

You advised me to study God's word but at the same time import non-scriptural teachings like "dedication" and "governing body" to try to blackmail silent listeners into reasoning with you.

Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour.

I am a true believer in the words of the bible and I have made it clear from my original post that JWs core believes are not written or thought in scriptures.

You can shout here and bow in loyalty to your governing body all you want that's your business, but don't make the mistake of thinking bowing to them is equivalent to bowing to God, just like other churches who worship their MOGs, JWs have even gone a step further in believing the governing body is the same as Jesus.

I still come in peace!

blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.