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madegreatbygrace:
“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


God is speaking here.

He will make David his firstborn

If Jesus is God’s firstborn according to you, then David can’t be God’s firstborn again. Unless you have two firstborns in your family !

There’s therefore only one solution to this unnecessary puzzle.

The use of firstborn in the foregoing is figurative.

It is not literal.

So when you put all of these together, you’ll only arrive at a destination.

David shall be regarded and treated by God as the first-born son is in a family .

That is , with distinguished favor and honor.

He will be accorded the same preeminence bestowed on the firstborn.
Compare Genesis 27:19; Genesis 29:26; Exodus 4:22; Exodus 13:12; Jeremiah 31:9.

He will be the most exalted among kings and rulers. This was entirely fulfilled in David, who occupied a pre-eminence among princes and rulers which no other king did. Most especially, he was the ancestor of the Messiah, the “King of kings, and Lord of lords” .

Any contrary view to this is agonizingly fraudulent!

madegreatbygrace:
Is David the oldest son of a father?

You’ve still not explain the application of firstborn in the foregoing.

I know it’s not going to work because you won’t make it work.

But if we can just yield to reason, it should work.

Preciousgirl:
Revelation 22:1-3

[1]And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[2]In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[3]And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, [/b]and [b]His servants shall serve Him.

Fools cannot see God and the lamb is One Being...hence the pronoun HIS for God and the Lamb


Glory

You conveniently separated your "One being" with conjunction "And", yet your brain no understand you are wrong

Your education is useless, na which school your teacher teach you "His" refers to 2 persons?

Revelation 1:5-6, 3:12, Jesus the Lamb serves his God and Father.
LYING foolishness claims she is "Precious".
.

livingchrist:
Jehovah satanic cult organisation, maxInDhouse see your so called unity, unity of evil and godlessness.

KNOWMORE56:
e don hook you for neck you come dey copy and paste the same thing over and over,

oluwaahmed:
I have jwit friends i used to relate with before I changed location. One was explained why the concept of hell isn't really real before stuvs came and he had to go. No vex but can u shed light on why you guys don't believe in he'll even though Jesus talked about the place

MaxInDHouse:
Brother Janosky, please present the truth with mildness and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} never mind their attitude, in their hearts they know you're giving strong witness, it's just that many of them have determined never to allow JWs win them over. So just present the truth and allow those disposed for everlasting life reason for themselves! Act 26:28

shadeyinka:
John 1:1-2:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

Only the wise can understand the paradox of the nature of God!

Bros consider the points... Read and understand.

"John 1:1 This word, That, pointeth out unto us a peculiar and choice thing above all other, and putteth a difference between this Word, which is the Son of God, and the Laws of God, which otherwise also are called the word of God."

Bros, the word is a being begotten of God before all worlds - spiritual and physical.
The word is different from God's speech.


"That Word begotten of God before all worlds", = "that Word begotten of God before creation." = Colossians 1:15-17, if know you know.

Myer:
Why is it called a mystery then if it's that simple?

The preceding verse was referring to God. Hence the "He" was likewise referring to God.

God became flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, seen by Angels, preached among nations and taken up in glory.

That is why it is called the great mystery. Because it astounds the human thought and everything other religions ever taught.

shadeyinka:
Heb 1:8-9:
" But to the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows."

Col 1:15-17:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. "

John 1:1-2:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

Only the wise can understand the paradox of the nature of God!

Bros, what is the meaning of "creature" @ Colossians 1:15-17 KJV ?

Therefore, Jesus the first born of every creature is a creature of his God & Father.
John 20:17 & 8:38 , Jesus Christ is spot on !

Are you willing to consider the Jesus evidence?

Myer:
Do explain 1 Timothy 3:16 from your understanding.

"Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory."

shadeyinka:
Jesus the Word/Son is NOT the Father
Jesus the Word/Son is NOT the Holy Spirit

The Father is God
The Word (Son) is God
The Holy Spirit is God

The Father, Word and the Holy Spirit are three IDENTITIES of the only unitary God!

hupernikao:
@Janosky
@MaxInDHouse

Its obvious you didn't get the key element of what livingchrist stated in his topic. This has made you go into wrong conclusion.

[b]His Topic
Is JESUS the same Person as the FATHER

he isn't questioning this
Is JESUS The same person as GOD
[/b]
That little details is where you have been missing the point of the concept.

I have told you severally, that the moment one say Jesus, you are refering to a man born of a woman. This is God in the flesh, now exist as man.

This was clear in his writeup.

hupernikao:

Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:20pm On Jun 14


" *2
Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before.

*3
The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.



I guess the new age concept of explaining trinity flying all around has affected your own knowledge and patience of studying the concept. I have done a proper context of the concept for you earlier. Go reread.

Myer:
Long time no see/hear.
I think on this issue neither party is wrong.
Which brings us back to the issue of biblical contradictions yet again.

-The Trinitarian is not wrong as some bible verses confirm this. John 5:7 and 1 Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6

-Also the one who separates God the Father from Jesus Chist is neither wrong. As supporting verses abound even more in the bible.

livingchrist:
good this people use double standard as long as it suite them.


Cc maximus going by your logic when Jesus said only the father knows the day and time of his coming, it does not mean the father alone

hupernikao:
Has your Bible study reduced to copying and pasting? I need articulated knowledge drawn from serious Bible study labor not this copy and paste you are doing up and down.

Pick your Bible and read then lets discus.

hupernikao:
I am sure the JW folks are well study than the attitude you are displaying. I can't even placed your issues. You are seriously trying hard to prove what doesn't exist and what wasn't said. Lol

Sifia pains of a Triune idols worshipper


Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your God in the old testament calls himself "angel".
If it's not so, please quote your own Bible make we see am.

KNOWMORE56:
Happy Sunday!



He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (Janosky) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

Bros stop DECEIVING yourself, making FALSE empty threats.

John 8:23-27,38, you have 3 questions to answer on this thread. .
Bros, in John 8:24,27 who sent your only true God and taught him what to say?

John 8:38
"I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father"
Bros KNOWMORE56, @ what time in heaven was your only God with his Father ?

Who in heaven is the Father of your only true God in John 8:38?

38
I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father"

Trinity GIBBERISH makes educated, otherwise intelligent people behave as Mumu

KNOWMORE56:
Happy Sunday!

Jesus is ALL, and in all...

*. Colossians 3:11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

*. Ephesians 4:6 "KJV:One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Note:
the Son is ALL and in all; the Father is ALL and in all

He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (Janosky) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

He said this because the Pharisees doubted His personality, saying "THOU A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD"

Do you want to be a Pharisee, Janosky?

*. John 10:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, being A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD."

Bros Stop making FALSE, empty claims. .
John 19:6-7, the Jews said their claims you misquote @ John 10:33 is FALSE.
John 10:34-36 Jesus Christ calls you a LIAR.
Abeg shift!

MaxInDHouse:
He feels JWs like engaging in fruitless arguments the way he's been doing with his fellow Churchgoers.
It's obvious he doesn't understand what a study is because if he does at least he should understand that people study for a purpose.
It's the custom of atheists to continue studying without coming to an agreement on the way forward very very unlike believers who knew the import of STUDYING: BENEFITS!

livingchrist:
Go and find out about the trinity teaching of christianity. Come back and read again.

hupernikao:
Is it that you have started bearing false witness or just a problem of not reading properly.

**1.
Where did you see from any of my post, whether in time past or even future that I said or will say Jesus is angel of the lord? Don't let me see you as mischievous.


Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:20pm On Jun 14


" *2
Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before.

*3
The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

*1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo

hupernikao:
2. Point to where I "yab" your organisation as a body or even you lot collectively or group here. I copied all your folk in a single post so as not to be repeating myself. What I did for you is to put you in a classroom of reasoning, so that you can all reason together the scriptures and make adjustment. And I have already seen how it profit you now.


[s] It seems you cant differentiate between defending doctrine and organization.


You better be reading well so that you won't be taken as a liar. When you misquote people or deliberately say what they don't say, it makes you a false witness.


Now, go and revisit the notes you took from my explanation. My points were very clear there on the Jesus yesterday, today and forever.


Finally, I am amazed that you all decided to turn the thread to a gist center. Why not just go and check your doctrine side by side what I presented to you and make adjustments instead of turning the thread to a beer parlour[/s].

johnw47:
^^ [s]false jw's, all immoral, lying and insane laughing fools



Rev_21:8  But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:[/s]

Dtruthspeaker:
Now your error even shines even more, for I know you are JW, like Max, Janos and co and Anti- God in Three Persons, So I would never even contest with you, for that has been done even last year or before, I think, thus, I would almost never do so, for nothing which Company does not accept, can not be accepted by you, even if the mountain is planted in the sea!

So I won't even try!

My position is clear and unchanged just as you will not change your position either and this has been long settled between us!

But Obviously Truespeak does not know that you are JW, but I have never forgotten!

livingchrist:
1.John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

In this verse Jesus said he is not alone but he and his father are together.
Meaning Jesus is not the father.

2. John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Note the words "we" and "our" meaning is a pronoun of more than one person.

3. Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Note Jesus is sitting on the right hand of someone else "the father"

Acts 7:55
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Stephen saw Jesus sitting at God's right hand.

6. Jesus said the father is 'another'
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

7. The father is greater than Jesus

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

8. Jesus derived his authority from God the father.
John 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

9. At the end of everything Jesus would be made subject unto the father.

1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is not to be studied for argument sake rather it's to be understood so that people can apply what we're learning to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18
But when we're only arguing without finding a positive result in any gathering of people then it's of no use studying it at all! 2Timothy 3:5

johnw47:
[s]Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

false jw janosky

oh duh dum dum fraud[/s],[/b] michael is one of the chief angels, one of the head angels, one of the first angels, [s]one of the foremost angels,
oh fraud jw twister of truth[/s]



[s]laugh, there is no fool like a know nothing fool[/s]

truly mumu the bible doesn't indicate that there is only one chief angel as you and other false jw's preach
but the opposite is true

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[s]2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

^^ denying the Lord: saying He is a created angel, even though it's very clear that the Word of God created everything that is created
nothing was created without Him

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


the reason you false jw's don't post all the verses is because many of them don't relate to what you say, such frauds and deceivers


u say:
who is the serpent
who defeated the serpent
satan bears diffrent names

gibberish gibberish gibberish for proof ha ha ha, you all taught by the same mob


in the beginning the Word created everything:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



in the beginning God created everything:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

of course u fraud jw janosky and other false jw's do the twist big time on all of these God's word[/s]

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Mumu fraud JohnW says "one of the head angels",as if many "head angels" exists in the angelic ranks.


Hupernikao your Trinity Crew member says Jesus his Trinity God of old testament is "angel of the Lord" @Genesis 16:7 & Judges 6:11-14 & 13:3-17.


JohnW GIBBERISH on this thread is of ZERO value since 1599.

hupernikao:
The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

Fara e balè nah. You are agitated.


Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 4:41pm On Jun 13
haddeylium
MaxInDHouse
DappaD
Janosky

I want to believe you are of the same belief system and hold the same Bible theology. The reason I will address you together.

The confusion you are having here is simple.

Firstly, you are not reading Bible text the way the author wrote it. You already have a mindset of what the scriptures is saying then now looking for scriptures to justify your stand. That is a wrong way of Bible study


2. You don't interpret scriptures by picking a verse out of its context without using it the way its context used it. Verse only have meaning within its narrative. You don't lift verse to support another verse by neglecting the meaning of same verse in the context where you lifted it from.



Now, let me emphasis what I have been saying since on this thread for you. I will put it in simple grammar to understand.


2. Jesus wasn't mentioned in OT as a name nor did he appeared there as a person. He couldn't if we all read the Bible the right was, as Jesus is a man and not born by then.


3. The OT emphasized the oneness of God all through the OT, yet in God's plan revealed by his prophets in OT, it was evident that God's plan for man is that a man will be born in future as son of God (man) to save man. Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before. It was God himself who will be reveal as the son (man) to humanity

Hupernikao called out JWs on this thread and yab them whereas his DUBIOUS doctrine & FALSE claims was heading for the rocks to fall yakata .

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord ,according to Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.

Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial & DUBIOUS claims done cast.

hupernikao:
1. Learn to read properly. It's will help your heart.

2. When you don't understand, don't cover up, be honest to ask questions before concluding. Concluding without asking question is dangerous to your heartbeat.

So read again, this time with the right heart.

hupernikao:
The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

Fara e balè nah. You are agitated.

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord of Genesis 16:7-13 &
Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.
@ Genesis chapters 18, 21,22,31.
Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial done cast.

Please show this public forum where God said in the old testament he will send himself to the earth.
Bros, bring proof to show Nairaland.

The ball is rolling in your court.

johnw47:
[s]girlie false jw haddeylium, that confused statment is just a excuse you have given for when you are shown to be wrong
and you have no comeback, like in where you lied and claimed that: [/s]
the bible indicates that there is only one archangel


Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[s]^^ phony jw u tried to teach that "chief princes" is diffrent to "chief angels"
2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/s]

[s]also, the Word come Jesus Christ is not named michael, His name is however
"The Word of God"
[/s]
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


michael is one of the chief angels, however:
the Word is KING of kings and Lord of lords

Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

@ Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, English language copied your Bible from the Hebrew language.

@Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, " one of" is Hebrew 259 lexicon.
Hebrew 259 lexicon, "one of"= "the Head, the first."
JohnW fraud, know this & stop typing GIBBERISH

@Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9, who is "the serpent"?
@Genesis 3:15,1John3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9, Who defeated "the serpent"?

In your Bible Satan bears different names, likewise, Jesus Christ.

JohnW fraud, stop DECEIVING yourself.

prettyheart:
Married people please gist us

yum01:
No judgement please.i know I am a scum but please dont add to it. Myself and my wife were friends in school , I had what we call my spec in my heart then and she jsnt it ( she is beautiful please). She is a good wife and mother not perfect cos no one is but she is good.
The issue is I have never found her attractive but then in school fellowship and preaching said looks do not matter, that the true beauty is internal. So I silenced the voice of my spec and married her. Let me say again, she is a good woman and doesn't deserve this.
9 years after marriage with 2 kids, the problem is since 2019 the attraction has got worse. I dont find her attractive at all again , we hardly gist , the way I express love I struggle to . To have sex seff , I have to use enhancers to get erections . I started cheating last year and I dont like it but I am.doing it. I love the girl in question and i know its unfair to my wife.
I have sought help , spoken with elderly people in marriage, prayed but its getting worse. She doesn't deserve this to be candid , and I am boring so much inside. No woman deserves to be treated like this.
I never cheated as a single guy, how can I be doing that now. She was my 1st body count but from 2019 till date my body count is now 5.