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FreeIgboho:
This is what cults tell their members to keep them chained and never taste freedom. An obvious lie

Emusan:
Still can't answer simple question.

The person you quoted cited John 1:1 in support of his claim that Jesus is God.

You responded by saying "this is what my own Bible says" and quoted it saying "...and the word was a god" to prove Jesus isn't GOD but a god.

Now, what is the purpose of you quoting John 1:1 which says "...and the word was a god" if there's no different between God and A God?

Emusan:
You didn't answer my question.

Why did you bring John 1:1 into the discussion when you know there's no different between A GOD and GOD?

Very simple question.

ichuka:
From genesis to revelation the main focus is Jesus Christ,there's no other name one can be saved, healed, cured and free from demonic attacks apart from The name JESUS CHRIST.
The names of the Father and Holy Spirit are all under the Canopy of the name jesus Christ.

GothamCities:
Do you know that you only need to know this Jesus Christ in order to know this only true God? You don't need to know anything else to know God. Just know Jesus Christ. Why?

"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" John 14:9

MaxInDHouse:
Who did Jesus prayed to? Luke 6:12
Who raised Jesus' dead body? Act 2:32

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here on nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many with plenty sophisticated verses from the scripture. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he

Towards the end, the JW team fled. They stopped responding because they were rendered speechless

tctrills:
I Am, (Jesus Christ) has a Father. I don't get your point here. He never said He was fatherless. Please what is your point here?

FreeIgboho:
Problem is, JW is not led by any God's spirit but by their rulers, whose shifting positions they dare not question under penalty of disfellowship.
Even the early apostles argued snd disagreed - that's what made them humans NOT brainwashed robots!

Your opinion can not change the holy scriptures.
You done remove John 16:16-18 ,1 Corinthians 14:33,40 , 1 Corinthians 1:10-11 & 1 Corinthians 13:9 from your Bible?
Jesus Christ have made his prayer point @ John 17:11,22.
Oga,go remove am from your Bible.

tctrills:
Exodus 3:12–14 in Hebrew and English
🔹 Exodus 3:12
וַיֹּאמֶר כִּי־אֶהְיֶה עִמָּךְ
"And He said, 'Indeed, I will be with you'"

"אֶהְיֶה" (Ehyeh) = “I will be”. This is the first-person imperfect of the verb היה (hayah), meaning “to be” or “to become.”

This is not only a promise of presence, but sets the tone for the divine name in verse 14.

Exodus 3:14
וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל־מֹשֶׁה
אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה
וַיֹּאמֶר כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל
אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם

"And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the Israelites, “I AM has sent me to you.”’”

What Does “I AM” Mean in Hebrew?
🔸 "אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה" (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh)
Literal translation: “I will be who I will be”

This can also be translated:

“I am who I am”

“I will become what I choose to become”

“I am the One who is”

“I cause to be what I cause to be”

Ehyeh is a form of being — but it's dynamic, not static. It suggests existence, presence, and becoming. God is not just a fixed identity; He is active, self-defining, and ever-present.

1. John 8:58 — “Before Abraham was, I AM”
Greek: πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί
English: “Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Jesus does not say, “Before Abraham was, I was,” which would be grammatically expected.

Instead, He uses ἐγώ εἰμί (ego eimi), the Greek equivalent of “I AM” (אֶהְיֶה).

This is a clear and deliberate reference to Exodus 3:14, where God reveals Himself as “I AM.”

The Jewish listeners immediately understood this claim to divinity — that’s why they picked up stones to kill Him (John 8:59), because to them, it was blasphemy.

FreeIgboho:
If the kingdom didn't come how do you explain the conversion of the known world powers to Christianity starting right then. The kingdom of heaven obviously started right then.

See below, the constantly shifting positions of the JW you keep asking me to go to for help:

FreeIgboho:
So what was the purpose of the war? Just talking back and forth?😅 So mighty warrior Angel Michael all he did was talk? Strange theology indeed. I.know you're not in the mood for jokes but you say such hilarious things!🤣

This your us vs them attitude is exactly what JW rulers want. They'd be congratulating themselves about you! What do you term "positive results"? Always agreeing with each other? Well, thinking human beings are NOT robots. Unless someone brainwashed them into being one!

tctrills:
This is word-for-word from Wikipedia
The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew and Koine Greek, with some parts in Aramaic.

The Old Testament portion of the King James Bible is primarily translated from Hebrew. Specifically, the translators relied on the Masoretic Text, a standardized Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible,

tctrills:
I always knew you were incapable of making sense. What does any of this have to do with the I Am debate? Please link your thoughts.

The question here is, did Jesus Christ say he is I Am or not? Again, what does John 8:28 have to do with this discussion? Please learn to focus.

John 8:28, Oga,tctrills did your "I Am say "I do nothing of my own initiative"?

@ John 8:28, who is the Father teaching your "I Am"?

Oga Tctrills,Does the Being teaching your "I Am " have a Father?

Oga Tctrills go jakpa from both questions.
E get why.

tctrills:
Again what's your point here. The old testament was written in Hebrew why do you want me to read your Greek Septuagint.

Please just make your point because I know you are only trying to waste my time by asking me to read something that doesn't relate. I am talking from experience with you.

Every Bible you own was translated from Greek to English.
Oga, you know your delusion won't stand the scrutiny of Exodus 3:12-15 in Greek Septuagint.

Please continue to deceive yourself.

tctrills:
You must be more intelligent than Christ to be able to explain for him.
Anyway I choose to believe Christ and not you.
He is smarter than you, he expressed himself better than you ever can. He said he is I Am so I agree with him. I am sorry but I hope you understand?

know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me".


Jesus your own "I AM " said what God his Father taught him," I do NOTHING of my own".

The God Almighty of the holy scriptures have no Father. ooooo !!! .

Oga,You jump to verse 58 & built a delusion that Jesus @ John 8 verse 28 had refuted.

tctrills:
So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

tctrills:
Just as the Pharisees said, Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word. JW claims others have wrong translations. You guys are the modern-day Pharisees. You are wrong, but you claim others are wrong.

tctrills:
So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

achu442:
The revelation which was given to John,not Jesus

Revelation 1:1
[1]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him

Oga, @ Revelation 1:1, who gave that revelation to Jesus before it got to John?

"Believer" denying the holy scriptures.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus, revealed as the Lamb of God in the book of Revelation is worshipped alongside with God the Father:

Revelation 5:11-14
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12 Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY IS THE LAMB that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, AND UNTO THE LAMB for ever and ever.

14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Please, stop believing the lies of Russell and Rutherford. They will send you to hell.

achu442:
Like where? Cos I know you will copy and paste from the Bible.

A book you don't understand

achu442:
None of these scriptures aligns with what you are saying.

Or are you reciting them?

In divinity, Son doesn't mean "born of".

Son in divinity means the same/share/together with/aligns/same level(but different functions/

mans spirit, soul and body make him a full functioning entity.

No one is higher than the other, they all function in different ways/in alignment/together with/same levels/

None can do without another.

That's how Divinity works.

so all these Scriptures you are copying and pasting, doesn't align with the topic.

In Christianity we don't cram and pour scriptures. We study each words and know why/what and where they function.

Christ say "Eli, Eli, Eli, (My God ,My God), didn't mean he was calling someone.

He is the word of God(FULFILLED) mark the word FULFILLED. He was just proclaiming who He was in Psalm 22:1.

4000 years before he was born on earth. David had already prophecied about Him.

So He was saying' I am the same person David cried to in Psalm 22:1( 4000 years ago) . "

22jumpstreet:
For a purpose...

Gabrielshow24:
Bible's authentic teaching? 😂 That a Jew called the Lord's name in vain? 😅 I'm sorry, but that cannot be the Bible's authentic teaching! —it's man-made. Also, it was poorly done, it looked like those that made it didn't put enough grey-matter into it😂!

Before you say things like this, ensure you have historical context on your side😅 and stop all this puerile tactic, it disheartening to see an Elder🤔 say such!

The same rinse and repeat.


There is no name at John 20:28.
But help yourself.
Take the advice of your fellow Trinitarian pastor , let it sink into heart.

achu442:
There is nothing like "God the Son"
It's religious tataulagy.

Christ is the same "I am" that parted the red sea. Christ is The same as The God Head

GothamCities:
God didn't make Moses God. He only made him a god, not God to Pharaoh. Only Pharaoh. To command pharaoh and to show him power. That's all.

Jesus was not made God. He is God. Tell me where He was made God. Moses was not Devine. Jesus is. He is the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

22jumpstreet:
Your people can talk about your gods who is dust.
It does not matter....
The creator and source of everything can't be made of dust. .....so qualms.
My God is the universal, eternal, indivisible source and creator of all things visible and invisible.....he created all the realms and is not part of any one. He is all the realms. I am a spark of the whole....

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here o. Nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many from the scripture

FreeIgboho:
Here is what you quoted. Can you imagine Jesus saying this?

25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

GothamCities:
Of course to the worshippers of Zeus, Ra, Hermes, etc, they're all Gods but do we submit to their standards or the standards of the Holy Scriptures?

To us, there is only one God - the God. One Father, the Father. Not father (small f). This capital F of a Father is who Jesus was called in Isaiah 9:6. The Everlasting Father. Not the Everlasting father. The Son that was born is not the father or the everlasting father but The Everlasting Father which is also the Mighty God.

El Gib
bowr ("mighty God " title is not exclusive to Jesus.
Mighty God is a title of Man, Yahweh, angels etc.

Compare Exodus 6:3 & Isaiah 6:9 to identify the difference.
ONLY Yahweh is the Almighty God.

FreeIgboho:
You read your Bible, right? Which other time do you see anybody do obeisance to child, talkless if one born in a manger where animals are kept?

GothamCities:
Yeah, there is.

There's nothing like a God because there's only one God - The God.

A god, not a God refers to idols.