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FreeIgboho:
This is blasphemy.
Mention any place in the Bible or anywhere else where Jesus told someone not to worship him. How can a divine being even THINK of saying that?!

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever calls other religions "CULT" you ought to ask him to present his own nah!

That's why i said you don't know anything because unity of faith is what Jesus established among his disciples {John 17:22} therefore confused religionists will surely label Jesus' friends as CULT! Matthew 10:24-25

Dem dey pay all kinds of monthly fees (without dissent) to pastors wey go sign their payment card like Osusu contribution.

Dem dey buy holy water for protection.

Nah the same people dey open mouth shout "christian cult to label JW's.

FreeIgboho:
Show where I personally called him names like he personally called me dumb (that I have no sense), and that I lack self-countrol.
Also, show where I called JW robots on this thread or brainwashed. "Cult" is only descriptive - every list of Christian cults always include JW

FreeIgboho:
See this one, you and Maxindhouse. That's exactly what happens with a pathetic cult

That label (whether you call it "christian cult" is very wrong.
Jesus said "Be my follower".
Do you disagree with Jesus or dissent ANY of his instructions?
Every indices to qualify that label is applicable to whichever group or denomination you adhere to or practice.
You are not by any means exempted.
You point one finger at JW's while your four fingers point back at you.

FreeIgboho:
You are being economical with the truth and you know it.
Here's Acts 10:
25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet and worshipped him. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

Can u ever in a million years imagine Jesus saying that?

FreeIgboho:
You just lying up and down, where did I call you names and when did you ask me all those things? U must be mistaking me for somebody else.
And you craftly did not include my response to tctrills. Here it is below:

Emusan:
You didn't address my post!

Emusan:
You didn't answer this: Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?



We've not gotten to this level.

Don't let your blood boil for now.

Emusan:
Then the first born can't be said to have been BEFORE THE MAN BEGINS to have children.

It's common sense.



The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY.

Should we ask KJV, NIV?



Provide the scripture to back it up and where the TERM LAST BORN was used for Eve.



We stick with scripture interpretation not your own interpretation.

Emusan:
You've been trying to look for my attention, I hope by the time I start with you, you won't revert to your usual way.



You're off point. Address my post according to the way I put it down.



It's already established that there's no different between A GOD and GOD.

That's the point for now and stick to that.



Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?

Emusan:
Look at the @color-red, how can He be the FIRST CREATURE and still be BEFORE CREATION?

God who is not a liar and can never lie told us the very first thing He created. Gen 1:1 "In the beginning (the start of creation), God created the heavens and the Earth"

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY reason why He was BEFORE CREATION and not PART OF CREATION.

tctrills:
I had already answered you in my last post, please see that you read it, but I felt you needed some more explaining.
Let's begin with the verse you quoted
Hebrew 6:13
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Who was the God that visited Abraham?

I presented the answer to you Yesterday. Let's read
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

This was I Am, Jehovah speaking to Moses. He was the one who appeared to Abraham, but not in his own name. He came in the name of His Father, God Almighty.
So when he made the promise to Abraham, he did so in the name of His Father. In fact, I love how it was translated in the JW bible.
And I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.
So he clearly states here that when he made the promise, he did so AS God Almighty not in His own name Jehovah.

Now, is it biblical for Jesus Christ to come or act in the name of His Father?
Let's Go to the Bible.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Psalm 118:26
This phrase was directly applied to Jesus during His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, and several other scriptures reinforce this connection.

Matthew 21:9 — Triumphal Entry
“The crowds that went ahead of Him and those that followed shouted, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David!’
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’
‘Hosanna in the highest heaven!’”

Here, the crowd is quoting Psalm 118:26 as Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey. This moment fulfills Zechariah 9:9 (another messianic prophecy), and the people openly recognize Jesus as the Messianic King — the one “coming in the name of the Lord.”

Luke 13:35 — Jesus' Own Words
“Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say,
‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

Jesus Himself quotes Psalm 118:26 and ties it to His return, showing that this verse applies specifically to Him, both in His first and second comings.

John 12:13 — Palm Sunday
“So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out,
‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’”

Again, Psalm 118 is sung in honor of Jesus, and the crowd clearly sees Him as the fulfillment of the psalm’s prophecy.

Psalm 118:22–23 — Messianic Foundation
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is the Lord’s doing; it is marvelous in our eyes.”

Just a few verses before 118:26, this passage is also messianic — and Jesus applies it to Himself in:

Matthew 21:42

Mark 12:10

Luke 20:17

This shows that Psalm 118 as a whole is seen as a messianic prophecy, and verse 26 is part of that message.

Summary:

What have you learnt?
When God made a promise to Abraham (Hebrews 6:13), the one who appeared to him was Jehovah (I am), who presented Himself as God Almighty, not using His personal name. This is supported by Exodus 6:3, where Jehovah tells Moses that while He appeared to the patriarchs as "God Almighty," He had not yet revealed His name "Jehovah" to them. The point is that Jehovah acted in the name and authority of His Father.

A connection between this Old Testament revelation and Jesus Christ, showing that Jesus also came and acted in the name of His Father, just like Jehovah did when He visited Abraham. To support this, I cited Psalm 118:26, which says, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." This verse is shown to be messianic and is repeatedly applied to Jesus during His triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:9, John 12:13), in His teachings (Luke 13:35), and alongside other messianic verses from Psalm 118, such as verses 22–23 about the "stone the builders rejected." The core message is that Jesus’ identity and mission align with Old Testament appearances of God, and He fulfills prophetic scriptures by coming in the name and authority of the Lord.

Peace

FreeIgboho:
It's just astonishing how people can argue ANYTHING!
When Satan told Jesus God would send his angels (servants) to make sure his toe did not strike a rock, do you think he was talking about their fellow servant??!


1.
Or when the angels were rejoicing at his birth, do you think it was their fellow servant whose birth they were rejoicing?
2.Jesus even gave a parable of a rich man who sent servants and they killed them till he finally sent his own son.
JESUS WAS FAMILY!! ALL OTHERS WERE NOT!!!

Something that is so obvious, it beats me how anybody that's not a total dummy can be arguing it!

1.
John 3:16. John 5:37. John 13:16, Jesus said the God Almighty didn't send himself, contrary to your claim.

2.
You said the Rich man (God Almighty) sent his Son.
Nah you dey deceive yourself that the Rich man is his Son.

Person wey say him get brain wey no dey "cherry pick Bible".

LordReed:
This sounds so satirical. You must be having a laugh.

FreeIgboho:
Here's Job 38. You be the judge as you whether ALL angels are morning stars

Job 38:6-7
(New International Version)
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

FreeIgboho:
AI goes through millions of documents by Bible scholars. Compare to you who just ridiculously cherrypick the Bible

FreeIgboho:
You ought hate talking too much because you don't be knowing what you yapping. Morning star refers to a specific group of angels who rejoiced at creation.
See below and educate yourself.

FreeIgboho:
This sounds so ignorant! Jesus is the light to God,
He is the light that symbolizes God. Morning star in this case carries a symbolic meaning. It does NOT mean angel. [/b]Read it below again

FreeIgboho:
Too many to quote them all. Let's just quote only New Testament:

John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

Now, mention anywhere in the Bible where ANYONE implied that Jesus was Angel Michael.

So my good man, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, you'd not only know who Jesus is NOT, you'd know who he IS!

FreeIgboho:
Find one verse that says:
"Moses (or anybody) is not an Angel"
That's all I need.

Ridiculous, trying to prove the negative. So if there is no verse that says I'm not God, that means I'm God! Ridiculous and infantile!

Screenshot evidence.
Greek Aggelos: Angel, Envoy, Messenger, someone (human being or spirit being) sent by God.
Moses is a prophet, God's Messenger.
Jesus is a prophet, God's Messenger.

John the Baptist was Aggelos in your Bible.
All of them are angels doing God's assignment.


Una no dey learn but una make noise pass.

tctrills:
The only question I have for you is where is it written that I Am has no Father? Did you make that up or is there a bible verse that says so. Because Jesus Christ (I Am ) has a Father.

tctrills:
I Am, (Jesus Christ) has a Father. I don't get your point here. He never said He was fatherless. Please what is your point here?

Father meaning Senior.
Oga,Is the God you call "I Am" @ Exodus 3:14 Fatherless?

Hebrew 6:13 & Acts 3:13 proven that Unbelievers too dey deceive themselves on this forum.

tctrills:
I always knew you were incapable of making sense. What does any of this have to do with the I Am debate? Please link your thoughts.

The question here is, did Jesus Christ say he is I Am or not? Again, what does John 8:28 have to do with this discussion? Please learn to focus.

tctrills:
I don't understand you point here please explain clearly. What are you even trying to say. We can't respond to you if you can make clear points.
Or can you get MaxInDHouse to explain for you? Not saying he is smarter than you.

tctrills:
You must be more intelligent than Christ to be able to explain for him.
Anyway I choose to believe Christ and not you.
He is smarter than you, he expressed himself better than you ever can. He said he is I Am so I agree with him. I am sorry but I hope you understand?

FreeIgboho:
In Luke 17:21, Jesus tells the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God is "within you" (or "in your midst," depending on how you translate it). What this tells you is that "the Kingdom of God" has little to do with physical reality nor is it a future transformation of the earth as you're trying to imply. The Kingdom of God was/is present in Jesus himself! it is a spiritual reality NOT a physical one.
It exists within a person with the presence of Christ within that person, and amongst people with the presence of Christ amongst them.
Also, in Matthew 16:18 Jesus says to Peter, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build My church." That body of Christ is also the Kingdom of God!

FreeIgboho:
A person with the Kingdom of God (Jesus) within him can't be a "murderous religious leader".

This is what happens when you try to describe spiritual reality with human reasoning, they take literally - it must be a physical kingdom. Even when Jesus himself spelt out it is NOT something physical that can be observed :

Luke 17:
[b]20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

FreeIgboho:
Read below again

Emusan:
You're changing mouth. God and A God are the same. So, stop using A GOD or probably also use God for Jehovah.

For instance, "... unlike Jehovah who is a God..."

But you read the same John 1:1 that The Word WAS WITH GOD. No where it was ever stated that The Word BECAME A GOD. Infact, John's point in that opening chapter is to tell the NATURE of the Word.

Therefore, The Word WAS there before Creation began.

So, if the Word became God in the BEGINNING of Creation, what is The Word WAS before Creation?

This question is very important!

FreeIgboho:
See this one, you and Maxindhouse. That's exactly what happens with a pathetic cult. See below, none of them is a JW and they returned much larger sums. I myself would never consider keeping such money, neither would most devout Christians and Muslims, or even non-religious with a conscience.
I know a JW who robbed his oga blind and once settled (poorly) he used the money to open a robust store!

Emusan:
You know this yet you quickly brought John 1:1 as “...a god" to prove how Jesus isn't GOD.

So why did you claim Jesus is not GOD but a god according to John 1:1 if there's no different between the two words?