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haddeylium:
I'm yet to understand you but, I know you're making a point
But in clear terms what did Jesus mean by "that they may be one"?

Csonice1:
Hope you are not a comedian, or worse still a clown (I'm really concerned) : no Sunday school beats studying the Bible with the Author Himself.
i think I've tried my best to help you even beyond my patience. Good night.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Jesus Christ CONFESSED that Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27, and 5:1-2, is very accurate.
Na wa for you, Jesus PROOF is your so called "tradition of men"
You REJECTED Jesus AUTHENTIC PROOF, & run go Colossians 2:8-10 ,which you can not even understand

Let me school you tonight... Godhead is another Trinitarian FRAUD inserted into your Bible

Greek Theiotēs means divine nature/divine quality. Full STOP !

Colossians 2:9 references Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES God to permit his divine nature to dwell in his son in heaven.
When Paul wrote Colossians, Jesus was already in heaven.
Don't DECEIVE YOURSELF and wrongly assume Paul is speaking about Jesus earthly realm

Csonice1:
"LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE.."
DOES THAT NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?

THINKING ALOUD: LOOK @ ME, HOW DO I EXPECT A MAN TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT WITH A CARNAL MINDSET?.
Conversation ends here.

If You don't understand Genesis 1:27 and 5:1-2, (Matthew 19:4 , Jesus quote Genesis 1:27), no be my fault.
Matthew 19:4, Jesus, the eye witness, says Elohim is a "He",his Father.
Genesis 1:27,5:1-2 is very accurate.
Trinitarians frame up of Genesis 1:26 is FRAUDULENT. Argue with Jesus.

Csonice1:
I thought it not wise to answer you.
However, let me give you this; perhaps you might get a glimpse:
God's name there is "Elohim", go and search that out if you will. make sure you take note whether it's singular or plural.

are you satisfied?

Csonice1:
GENESIS 1:26&27
"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

God's nature is in man: man was called Adam; representing mankind. When another personality (Eve) was to be created, she was taken out of the man: so Eve was in the man. Adam understood what happened and it reflected on his words when he met Eve. Note that despite the fact that they are two, the man and his wife were one flesh. How much more they that are one Spirit? : for God is Spirit.

Christ is/was/will continue to be in God: as an integral dimension of Him;
ie His Word: who was with Him in the beginning, and was God. (John 1:1&2).
He was made flesh for our redemption through the Spirit; So they are three persons in one God.
Both the Father, His Word and His Spirit are one(1John5:7): The Father generates the ideas; His Word goes forth ; and executes it by the power of the Spirit.

what do you think? does Christ not have only one bride: Even though there are many members (persons)?
The Spirit of the Lord in every Christian, is He not one? (and yet He is in us and also with everyone of us). So, the Spirit of the Father is also in His Son Jesus and the same Spirit is known in the Bible as the Spirit of Jesus.

This is a mystery: and only those who submit to the teaching of the Author of Scriptures can understand it: it's only when you become a humble learner of the Word that u are able to teach those who yet do not understand. Some people go to God's Word as if trying to learn from a colleague or worse still trying to teach Him(God) what they thought they know.
let's remove pride and human doctrinal limitations when studying God's word
Shalom.

michru:
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To answer someone up there, we both know there's a religion where you dear not question their scholars, they swallow whatever they are given, and that's why that religion hasn't grown since it became official.
Not sure they even think with their head. Most people that do, had left that religion, some are only pretending so they won't get executed.



I think the misunderstanding here is that trinitarians believe the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are three different personality even though they say they are one.

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But for those who don't believe in the trinity, I think what they are driving at is that, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the same person but different offices.

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So, I could have a degree in medicine and surgery, have a degree in Law and have a degree in Engineering. I'm still the same person but function differently in these offices. When I need to fix a device I become an engineer, when I need to heal someone, I become a Dr, when I need to defend someone, I become an advocate. Same person different offices.


Now in this case, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is an office with heriachy.

Note: that there's a difference in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and in the name of the Father, and the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit. The former shows there's a name for the three combine, and the lather shows there are names for the different persons.


Finally, I can be a DR. an Engr, and a Lawyer but my name never changes.

Preciousgirl:
paul writes that Jesus will be under God

help me

Csonice1:
Sincerely, I understand that when we try to read the Bible with our human wisdom we get it all wrong. There is a reason Jesus calls them the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Jesus is an integral dimension of God; because He is His Word, with God from the beginning.
{according to John1:1&2}

For our sakes he stripped himself of Glory and came down to drink of the cup: and to rise on the third day for our redemption.

Now, when he took flesh he became a little lower than the angels and became who we are that we might become who He is.

When He resurrected He ascended far above principalities and powers : and sat at God's right hand ( the same position of authority with Him).

brocab:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia..
Christianity is an Abrahamic monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Its adherents, known as Christians, believe that Jesus is the Christ, whose coming as the messiah was prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, called the Old Testament in Christianity, and chronicled in the New Testament.-

Brocab's Evidence done DISGRACE him Triune pagan IDOLS.
Him PROOF Trinity is not monotheistic.


Isaiah 43:10-12, Acts3:13. 1 Cor3:23 , would Brocab allow his brain CONFESS the Bible truth that Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Servant?

Maximus69:
You will all continue to argue and argue and argue amongst yourselves because none of you wants to be OBEDIENT!
God's people are one and we're all submissive to those leading his earthly Organization, as long as you're not ready to recognize those sent by Jesus to organise his earthly followers, you will continue to argue and argue and argue fruitlessly within yourselves! Philippians 2:14; Colossians 2:4; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Emusan:
Make me understand



Then who said, 1 John 2:23b and 1 John 5:6 contain Trinity doctrine?
Can you see that you're the very one who didn't understand anything from this thread






Read the lost you quoted again and stop talking nonsense.
Emusan:
Having seen textual variants of 1 John 5:6 the preceding verse before the COMMA in the early manuscripts, let's proceed to next one!

Let's turn to 1 John 2:23b, as it proves two things. First, it proves that a Trinitarian clause could be expunged from 1 John in the majority of manuscripts.

Second, it proves that the Vulgate can sometimes preserve authentic readings more accurately than can the majority of Greek manuscripts.

1 John 2:23 in the King James Bible says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει ο ομολογων τον υιον και τον πατερα εχει" (Textus Receptus, Beza 1598)

The second clause of this Trinitarian verse is supported by the Vulgate, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Ephraemi, Porphyrianus and about 70 other Greek manuscripts (Novum Testamentum Graecum: Editio Critica Maior: IV Catholic Letters, Text, 2nd Ed. (Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 2013), p. 292). Most modern translations (e.g. NIV, ESV, NASB) follow this reading.

But with there being about 517 extant Greek manuscripts of 1 John and with just over 70 manuscripts having 1 John 2:23b, the clause is a minority reading. Accordingly, the Byzantine Majority Text does not include the clause.

The Majority Text says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει" (Byzantine Majority Text)


The Geneva Bible in 1557 followed the majority of manuscripts here and left out the latter clause. If a Trinitarian clause in 1 John 2:23 could be lost in the majority of Greek manuscripts, and the Vulgate can be more reliable here, it is not much of a stretch to believe that the Johannine COMMA was also lost in the majority of Greek manuscripts, and preserved by the Vulgate (as will be discussed below, the Vulgate preserves the COMMA).

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Image123:
Your oga said it is OK. As an aside, lemme ask you. Who is a servant of Jehovah asides the people of Jehovah Wickedness none of whom are found in the Bible? i've seen a lot of Jehovah Wickedness members stylishly begging for alms on the road as they share magazines. Are they servants of Jehovah?

Dtruthspeaker:

Son, I understand your anguish and pain but I have no power to bring you such misery!

donnie:
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Maximus69:
All what you need is just to ask WHY?

The CAN and BSN was formed by different religious organizations all claiming Christians! Their involvement in political affairs can't go down well with Jehovah's Witnesses who don't want to have anything to do with Politics.
For instance, do you know that whatever News you're hearing on TV and radio has been screened and scrutinized by this bodies?
Do you know that during elections and other Political issues they are called upon to tell their members what to do?
Do you also know that during wars between one tribe and another this Organizations have a part to play which has nothing to do with PEACE?

Well all of these amounts to the reason why JWs can't join such groups, we are no part of the world! John 17:14

SIONKPO1:
You can't correct something by staying outside

Dtruthspeaker:
force you?

I am not the one forcing you go and check again who is forcing you.

Maybe when you feel the force again say "Here am i Lord, speak to me"

You are talking to the wrong person.

bingbagbo:
1 John 5:20 (JWs Bible)

20 But we know that the Son of God has come,c and he has given us insight* so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true[i],by means of[/i] his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.



Now look at the correct translation

1 John 5:20 (NKJV)

1 John 5:20
[20]And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; [/b]and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Can you see what the JWs are trying to hide in their devilish new world translation?

Jesus Christ is eternal life and the true God according to that verse.

Hallelujah

Your claim is FRAUDULENT.
John 17:3, Jesus Christ said so, not Janosky.
In 1 John 5:20 , John says the One who is true , "Him who is true " is NOT Jesus Christ.
John refers to the Father as "Him who is true"

NWT is very authentic and on the same page with John 17:3.
Geroutta here with your Mumu claims.

"DTruthspeaker" , you are a DISGRACE to your Moniker.

Dtruthspeaker:
Says a person who reads and accepts a Specifically Interpreted work or let me Clearly Put it to You, A Doctored and Altered work, done by another person Rather than process for himself, his own True Interpretation as he can reasonably glean for himself.

John 7:16
"Jesus answered, “What I teach is not my own teaching, but it comes from God, who sent me"



Continue to DECEIVE YOURSELF

Maximus69:
He wants to accuse JWs yet he's a fugitive even in the midst of his fellow Trinitarians!

KNOWMORE56:
Which gospel is that?


Let's see what the Bible says

*. Mark 1:1 "KJV:The beginning of THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, the Son of God;

THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST

*. Mark 1:14 "KJV:Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD,

THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF
GOD

*. Acts 20:24 "JV:But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

*. Romans 1:1 "
KJV:Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto THE GOSPEL OF GOD,

THE GOSPEL OF GOD,

*. Romans 1:9 "9
KJV:For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in THE GOSPEL OF HIS SON, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayer;

THE GOSPEL OF HIS SON

*. Romans 1:16 "KJV:For I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

*. Romans 10:15 "
KJV:And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach THE GOSPEL OF PEACE, and bring glad tidings of good things!

THE GOSPEL OF PEACE


Although you and your organization preach Armageddon; and

' do you know what the real name of the only true God is?.... He's called Jehovah!.... others are title'

This is called teaching and it should be done in your kingdom Hall.

Anyway, you are not Christians.

Dtruthspeaker:
I say this with all respect and Truth that I have seen and I witnessed, their book that resembles our Bible is Seriously Twisted!

This Excerpt and the almost the Whole writings in their book have a Strange spirit!

Maximus69:
Now face your fellow Trinitarians instead of disturbing your brain over JWs, first reconcile with them over the identity of Jesus Christ before looking for JWs to argue.
You can see how well you're doing now that your fellow Trinitarians aren't in agreement with you!
Ntor!

rottennaija:
Is that my new name?

KNOWMORE56:
Many questions pending for you to answer.

You have been jumping from one version to another.

Yet no version is without the concept of the Trinity.

Let's see the NWT;

note:
the JWs consciously produced this version of the Bible to shame/oppose the believers in Christ.

*. John 20:28-29
"28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

This passage is often used as evidence of Jesus's divinity, since Jesus does not rebuke Thomas for calling him "God" like the angel does in Revelation 19:10, for example.

Since Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God, how do they explain Thomas's exclamation, and Jesus's response?


And why did the translators agreed that Thomas means God in it real sense by translating the word God (i.e capital letter G) and not god ( i.e small letter g) as they did in John 1:1?

*. Isaiah 9:6 NWT:

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Note
Mighty God, in capital letters referring to Jesus.


No other being is called God with capital G in the nwt apart from King of kings (God the Son).

Wayo claim for deceiving yourself
John 20:29 Jesus is referring to Thomas's doubt of Jesus resurrection in John20:24-25.
Stop twisting the holy Bible.
"Thomas was not with them when Jesus came.
The other disciples were telling him, 'we have seen the Lord'. But Thomas said to them:
"Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my fingers into his side, I will never believe it"

Bros, John20:17 , Jesus Christ is asking you..
Is Jesus Christ his God and our Father?

Revelation 3:5,12 Jesus says your False claims on John 20:28 is hogwash.
Almighty God no get Papa in heaven.
RECEIVE SENSE

There is only one way of translating G1510 and G2316 into English.
Acts28:6 and John 1:1 g1510 and g2316 means "was a god"
The last words in John1:1 and Acts 28:6 .

Revelation 3:12 and Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ already said you MUST NOT worship Jesus.
Your claim on Revelation 19:10 is FALSE, Bros make you dey fear God oooo. STOP LYING
New Jerusalem Catholic Bible, Hebrew 1:6 , your Catholic Pope agreed God said "pay homage to Jesus" .
John 20:30-31 , whoever deny Jesus is God's son will not receive eternal life.
Continue deceiving yourself

Emusan:
So what is my concern about that?



Very short indeed



So what were the teachings of these apostates and false teachers?



So you agree that TRINITY has been around since 2nd century, that's wonderful.

Also, was it ONLY TRINITY that was the major issue then?



Now you're talking, so these scriptures were only misinterpreted, which means they are actually part of the scriptures.

Also, what were your evidences that those scriptures were misinterpreted?



The fact is, those scriptures were part of the original scriptures that was why the Anti-Trinitarian made sure the strong one among them 1 John 5:7 gets lost.

Emusan:
Having seen textual variants of 1 John 5:6 the preceding verse before the COMMA in the early manuscripts, let's proceed to next one!

Let's turn to 1 John 2:23b, as it proves two things. First, it proves that a Trinitarian clause could be expunged from 1 John in the majority of manuscripts.

Second, it proves that the Vulgate can sometimes preserve authentic readings more accurately than can the majority of Greek manuscripts.

1 John 2:23 in the King James Bible says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει ο ομολογων τον υιον και τον πατερα εχει" (Textus Receptus, Beza 1598)

The second clause of this Trinitarian verse is supported by the Vulgate, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Ephraemi, Porphyrianus and about 70 other Greek manuscripts (Novum Testamentum Graecum: Editio Critica Maior: IV Catholic Letters, Text, 2nd Ed. (Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 2013), p. 292).  Most modern translations (e.g. NIV, ESV, NASB) follow this reading.

But with there being about 517 extant Greek manuscripts of 1 John and with just over 70 manuscripts having 1 John 2:23b, the clause is a minority reading.  Accordingly, the Byzantine Majority Text does not include the clause.

The Majority Text says:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father."

"πας ο αρνουμενος τον υιον ουδε τον πατερα εχει" (Byzantine Majority Text)


The Geneva Bible in 1557 followed the majority of manuscripts here and left out the latter clause.  If a Trinitarian clause in 1 John 2:23 could be lost in the majority of Greek manuscripts, and the Vulgate can be more reliable here, it is not much of a stretch to believe that the Johannine COMMA was also lost in the majority of Greek manuscripts, and preserved by the Vulgate (as will be discussed below, the Vulgate preserves the COMMA).

The only difference between 1 John 2:23b and the COMMA could be that the COMMA was deleted earlier than 1 John 2:23b.

KNOWMORE56:
Good news simplified:

John 3:16 KJV:For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.

NOTE! one of the reasons this verse is the best in preaching the gospel it's because it summarizes the long story.

In John 3:16 we have all the words that form the word GOSPEL:

G= God
O= Only
S= Son
P= PERISH
E= Everlasting
L= Life

i.e GOD ONLY SON PERISH ( that humanity should have) EVERLASTING LIFE.

whoever believes this he's saved.

Image123:
Are you telling us that the Jehovah Wickedness cannot name just 3 beggars in the Bible but vehemently claim that all beggars in the Bible are not Christian?

Anyway, my own remains that "A true Jehovah wickedness will NEVER admit he is wrong. You guys don't need to pass this first page arguing with JWs."

Image123:
Na real Jehovah Wickedness una be. My God loves the world and wants them all saved. Evidently, we don't read the same Bible and certainly do not serve the same God. God have mercy on you.