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elated177:
The readers of this particular thread, just like I pointed out above, are knowledgeable enough to go through the views that have been highlighted and decide for themselves. Again, if any of them has the Spirit of Truth in them, they will be guided on the right views to accept. I am certain of that.



Yahushua the Messiah was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Yahshrael.

Ezekiel36vs28:
I have been following you guys arguments and positions or understanding of God and I will tell you And that Dappa guy that you have to turn back from that sect you belong to(JW)and desist from the ignorance you are dishing out as knowledge. Yahoshua (Jesus Christ)is Jehovah who Moses worship and others.Jesus Christ(Yehoshua)is the almighty God(Rev 1:.Now You are right about the doctrine of trinity not being right but disputing Jesus Christ(Yehoshua)as not being Yahweh or jehovah is foolishness from your sect and ignorance of the highest order even with all those scriptures you are quoting without revelation knowledge to back up your position.

Ezekiel36vs28:
Now to other believers in Jesus Christ(yehoshua)you guys have to come to the knowledge that jehovah witnesses(JW)are not same people as you but heretics And confused people who go about preaching and spreading ignorance and damnation without knowing.One doctrine of JW people I will bring to your guys knowledge if you don’t already know is that Michael the arch angel is the one who is their own Jesus Christ.so please you guys should now understand that you are not talking about the same Jesus Christ(Yehoshua).Let them read(Rev 1:8.Thanks

brocab:
Are you on drugs?

DappaD:
Can you speak on behalf of the beliefs/tenets of DrLiveLogic? Or does he have his own definition of your trinity god?


What's up with the other thread—seems you ran away

Emusan:
Lying liar! He didn't even know his own demonic translation has the word MYSELF

"This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I (Yahweh) stretched out the heavens BY MYSELF, And I (Yahweh) spread out the earth. Who was with me?"



BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD....wo the speaker can't be the first created when he's already exists before the first work begins.

Proverbs 8:29-30 "The master craftsman" was created before Yahweh's work of heaven and earth

Isaiah 44:22 ,Job38:1-7, Ephesians 4:6 and Romans 11:35-36,
WAYO man who is the Creator?

Greek 1223 @ John 1:3, @ Hebrew 1:2 , @ Col1:16, go remove am from your Bible
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Did Yahweh rescued Israel Through someone?
Yes.

Did Yahweh save the world through someone?
Yes

Did Yahweh give the tablet of Laws through someone?
Yes

Did Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH someone?
Yes.

Greek 1223 @ John 1:3, @ Hebrew 1:2 , @ Col1:16,
WAYO man, go remove am from your Bible
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bloodofthelamb:
All those scriptures you put up there didn't prove that God created Jesus Christ. It's highly impossible that God created Jesus through Jesus because the same Colossians 1:16 says, For by(through) Him(Jesus) all(all means all with no exception) things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth visible and invisible (nothing was exempted here) whether thrones or dominion or principalities or power. All(again "all" is being reemphasized) things were created through Him and for Him.

It is either you guys have comprehension issues or you guys are playing the devils advocate. If God really created Jesus at the beginning as you people believe then, it will be He created Him through Him.

Bros, what's the meaning of Greek 1223 @ Colossians 1:16, @ John 1:3, @ Hebrews1:2?
("A proposition denoting a channel ,Agent for an act". For instance, You bought house through your Lawyer.
Who owns the house?
Trinitarians say na Lawyer

Blabbermouth:
The scripture says
1. Unto us a child is born.
Commentary: That child is a human child (I.e. baby Jesus)
Then it continues and says
2."The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. His name SHALL be called "
Commentary:The same Human child will then become
3. Wondeful counsellor, Mighty God.....
[b]Commentary: The Human child shall become a God
Your scripture proves the opposite I.E. Humanity become Divinity.[/b]
That's not what we want, we need Divinity(I.e God) become humanity(human).

Only Yahweh could have revealed that Truth to you

Blabbermouth:
The scripture says
1. Unto us a child is born.
That child is a human child (I.e. baby Jesus)
Then it continues and says
2."The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. His name SHALL be called "
Commentary:The same Human child will

bloodofthelamb:
They're foolish, irrational and blind. There only line of defense is to claim that the one speaking or is portrayed speaking isn't wisdom which is fraudulent because from the beginning of Proverb 8 it is clear who is speaking.

Proverbs 8:3 , is Wisdom is personified as woman?

Proverbs 8:22-30, Wisdom is a master craftsman.
Bros, woman dey do master craftsman?
Una, Trinitarians, know say Jesus Christ is the wisdom personified in Proverbs8:22-30, but una pride no let una confess Jesus is a creature, the Son of Hebrews1:2.
("Firstborn of every creature",so says the New Testament).

Dubiously fraudulent Triune pagan deity devotees

bloodofthelamb:
So you are saying there was a time in the existence of your Jehovah that he was foolish and unwise until he produce and created wisdom for himself.

bloodofthelamb:
Jehovah witness are hell bent on believing their own lies or they simply have comprehension issue. The person who was speaking was before Gods earlier creation which means he cannot be a created being.

Csonice1:
Hebrews 1:8-12;
"But unto the Son he saith, [b] Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. [/b] "

Additional scripture: "The Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is is liberty"

Only those to whom it's given to understand this mystery, will discern the meaning of this.

elated177:
Actually, I will not exchange insult with anyone. Yahveh Almighty, my Daddy in the sky, has used me, his servant, to disseminate his Truth.

The readers can go through the thread, consider the points that have been made and decide for themselves. Anyone among them who has the Spirit of Truth in them will be directed on the right path to take and the best decision to make.

The righteous walk is not a popularity contest. It is an individual walk.

Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of Yahveh Almighty.

Yahveh Almighty is one with his Word.

Yahveh Almighty is God Almighty.

The Word of Yahveh Almighty is God Almighty.

Yahushua the Messiah is the begotten Son of Yahveh Almighty.

Yahushua the Messiah is God Almighty.

Yahushua the Messiah, the Word of the Father, is the God of Moses.

Yahushua the Messiah is my God.

El Elohe Yahshrael!

achorladey:
New Living Translation
“Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves.

English Standard Version
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

As long as you remember who said the scripture above, it will tell whether I need tutorials from the DEVIL.

Emusan:
You can see it was boldly written in the scripture that God did the creative works ALONE and by HIMSELF

So by this you should know who is calling God a liar.



To say another being HELPED God is to call God a liar with those undeniable scriptures.


Besides, even the very Prov 8:22 didn't support someone else was already created before Yahweh's work



John 1:3 is enough to show you that nobody HELPED God in creative works because if not it means Jesus created Himself.

Emusan Lienus

Yahweh alone by Himself wrote the laws He alone gave to Israel.
Who else gave laws to Israel?

Did Yahweh come down from heaven and give the laws to each family in Israel?

Yahweh's law came to Israel Through a channel...
WAYO man use your brain, give us the name .

"Yahweh possessed me" in Psalms 139:13 and Proverbs 8:22.
(Strong's Hebrew 7069 is your nemesis here.. every Trinitarian wan change am by fire by force).
WAYO man, I challenge you to come here and twist it


Also, Genesis 14:19,22 , these scriptures are damning indictment on Emusan Lienus

Blabbermouth:
In both our pure and undiluted state of mind, we both know there is nothing ANGELIC about any of these.

Maximus69:
My friend unless you want to delude yourself, the fought person Nebuchadnezzar saw inside that fairy furnace wasn't a man, it's the same Archangel Michael!
There is no other way Nebuchadnezzar could have described what he saw since angels always appear like humans!

The last chapter of that Bible book uncovered the identity of the angelic Prince who has been standing in support of God's servants! Daniel 10:13 compare to 12:1

Emusan:
The son is the eternal wisdom and power of Yahweh which Proverbs 8 talks about not a separate created being, that was the reason YAHWEH can boldly say "ALONE and BY MYSELF" because His eternal wisdom is eternally part of Him.

achorladey:
You want to score cheap point off my post abi? Face what is before you. When do you start seeing BULL EYE'S ACCURACY in someone you call FRAUD, WAYO and LIAR? .

Now see this.........You might end up becoming a mentally unstable individual. Its written all over your post.


What was written all over his (Hairyrapunzel) post...... he said "you people are mentally unstable"

So you can see well enough MENTALLY UNSTABLE and his description of those he refers also convey the TAG is written all over his post.

So better make good use of the word MIGHT in my response to his post.

Janosky: The degree of hairyrapunzel mental stability gets brighter every day

[b]Achorladey: Shine your eyes I wrote MENTAL STABILITY. I have not gauge up to putting DEGREE [/b] :

achorladey:
You want to score cheap point off my post abi? Face what is before you. When do you start seeing BULL EYE'S ACCURACY in someone you call FRAUD, WAYO and LIAR? .

Now see this.........You might end up becoming a mentally unstable individual. Its written all over your post.


What was written all over his (Hairyrapunzel) post...... he said "you people are mentally unstable"

So you can see well enough MENTALLY UNSTABLE and his description of those he refers also convey the TAG is written all over his post.

So better make good use of the word MIGHT in my response to his post.

Janosky: The degree of hairyrapunzel mental instability gets brighter every day

Achorladey: Shine your eyes I wrote MENTAL STABILITY. I have not gauge up to putting DEGREE

Emusan:
Now another dimension, it's ACCOLADE



What does that mean here?



Shameless liar!

*1
See dubious interpretation....

Yahweh claimed the accolade, is that how someone claims credit? ode!

ALONE and BY MYSELF.... will forever hunt you.



Which means Jehovah lied through them.


*2)
The son is the eternal wisdom and power of Yahweh which Proverbs 8 talks about not a separate created being, that was the reason YAHWEH can boldly say "ALONE and BY MYSELF" because His eternal wisdom is eternally part of Him.


*3
But you can't claim you build the house ALONE and BY YOURSELF

Just as every believers believe that God is the inspiration behind the writing of the scripture but can any believer say "God was the one who personally WROTE DOWN THE SCRIPTURES BY HIMSELF?"



Dubious JWs turning AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT into accolade.

Yahweh said he created heavens ALONE and BY MYSELF.



Mr accolade....

Hear the word of Yahweh "ALONE and BY MYSELF"



Then why was YAHWEH giving himself ACCOLADE

You said in three different ways
1. Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).
2. the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
3. Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades

Yet it was YAHWEH who inspired ALL THESE ACCOLADE

Mr Accolade Weldon ooo



Continue to be arrogant and liar

Genesis 14:19,22 "Yahweh possessed the heaven and earth.
Proverbs 8:22,23 "Yahweh possessed me, the beginning of His Creation.. before the earth began"
WAYO man is afraid of Hebrew Qanah, the screenshot dey gif am sifia pains

Solid evidence confirm that Hebrew Qanah in Genesis14:19,22 & Proverbs 8:22-30 refers to a creature.
Ephesians 4:6 & Romans 11:35-36,
"Everything came from the Father of Creation.
Emusan can't refute that.

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Was the angel of Yahweh in Joshua 5:13-15 also present @ Job 38:4-7?

Solid Yes!
All the angels of Yahweh rejoiced.
When Yahweh laid the foundation of the universe,all his sons were there, except Man..

Emusan:
Says the person some group of men are deceiving everyday.



Where was the name MICHAEL appeared in those verses? You can see how his boldly lying against the scripture.



Like I do say, proverbs 8 isn't what you can used to support your lying doctrine.

Start from the same verse 22 to know the person who is talking wasn't a CREATURE rather an ETERNAL PART OF YAHWEH HIMSELF.

It read "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his (Yahweh) way, before his works of old."

I know what your mind can phantom about this verse is the part the 8 men have blocked your dull head with which is "The LORD possessed me..." but have you ever consider the other part of the statement?
"...in the BEGINNING of his (Yahweh) way..."

This isn't about creation but the very eternity of Yahweh, as this commentator puts it "Man was not by him when he did it (Job 38:4), nor did any creature advise or assist; only his own eternal wisdom and Word was by him then as one brought up with him," Prov. 8:30

In fact, the speaker shows that it wasn't part of Yahweh's work by saying "before his (Yahweh) works of old" Jesus should have been the very OLDEST WORK OF YAHWEH according to your doctrine yet the speaker says he was "BEFORE his works of old"

The more you're trying to use that Prov 8 the more you keep exposing your ignorance of the scripture.



The eternal wisdom of Yahweh and when we also know that Christ is the wisdom of God.

Liar..

WAYO man , Proverbs 8:22 = Genesis14:19,22.
Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15.
Produced= Created, Hebrew Qanah...
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Yahweh produced , Created a supernatural being, the Wisdom,=Jesus Christ,1Corinthians1:24.
Yahweh produced, Created me before the Creation of the Universe. Romans 11:35-36.
Thereafter, Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son. Hebrews1:2.
Job 38:4-7, all the angels were present when man was created.
In heaven is Jesus the son of God?
Joshua5:13-15, he is the angel of Yahweh.
Go figure... Compare Joshua 5:13-15 & Job38:4-7

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Emusan:
I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"
**1
But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

*"*2
Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

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WAYO man, does your Bible begin and end with only Genesis?

**2)
@ Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2. Isaiah 45:21, Job 4: did Yahweh not ascribe the credit to Himself?
Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades.

[b]If you dey reason well, ask yourself:
Was John, Paul and the writers (Solomon) of Proverbs present at the Creation?

Not at all...

But Yahweh revealed further info about the Creation to John (@John1:3)
to Solomon (@Proverbs8:22-30)
to Paul (@ Hebrews1:2.
Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son.
@ Hebrew 1:2, John 1:3, Prov8:22-30, the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
In other words,I built the House Through my son.
Is that difficult to understand?

rabzy:
That is a blatant lie...Russel never said and neither did any JW say that Jesus is not the Son of God....what Jesus declared himself the son of God...what he did not do was to say he himself is God the Almighty. Michael the archangel and Jesus are one and the same Son of God...if you dont think Michael is Jesus..fine..but dont use say we ever taught that Jesus is the Son of God or that he is not divine.

1808: "and the Word was a god" – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1822: "and the Word was a god" – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
1829: "and the Word was a god" – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
1863: "and the Word was a god" – A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
John L. McKenzie (Catholic Biblical scholar) wrote that ho Theos is God the Father, and adds that John 1:1 should be translated "the word was with the God [=the Father], and the word was a divine being."[43][44]
B. F. Westcott is quoted by C. F. D. Moule (Lady Margaret's Professor of Divinity in the University of Cambridge):

The predicate (God) stands emphatically first, as in 4:24. ‘It is necessarily without the article (theós not ho theós) inasmuch as it describes the nature of the Word and does not identify His Person
Philip B. Harner (Professor Emeritus of Religion at Heidelberg College) says:
Perhaps the clause could be translated, ‘the Word had the same nature as God.” This would be one way of representing John’s thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature of theos.[47]

rabzy:
Jesus needing to receive his authority from God and then later submitting that authority back after using it to accomplish all God wanted shows clearly we are talking of two divine beings, a father and a very loyal and obedient regent...not the same person.

brocab:
I am a son-but I don't claim the authority the Father gave to His Son Jesus Christ-you have given all the authority to a messenger, Michael is an angel he is used as God's messenger..
This is what I mean-the Watchtower printed the KJ's bible on your press-and still you all deny the scriptures exist.
{Hebrews 1:5-6}
For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”…
Angels don't worship other angels-they don't rebuke each other..
{Jude 9} can explain that clearly: ""Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Michael was talking to Satan.

Brocab LIED that Jesus is Almighty God now he is TWISTING the same mouth to call Jesus the son of God.
Him Almighty God is a son in heaven, Rev3:5
John 20:17


Jesus is a Messenger & God's son, Luke 9:35 and John 7:16,John15:15 and Angels are God's sons.

Mark8:38. Matt16:27, 2Thess1:7-9, God's son leads other sons of God, can your brain understand?


God did NOT command any angel to worship Jesus, Mattt4:10 according to Jesus Christ.

The Catholic Church,(the foremost Exponent of Trinity) their Bible says God instructs angels to "Pay homage to Jesus" @ Hebrew 1:6.

Brocab claim on Hebrews1:6 is false

brocab:
Even after all that you still "VERBALLY" deny-the Watchtower had anything to do with John 1:1, but kept this verse in tact to prove-the Word of God still stands it's ground..
{John1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
So be proud JW-that the Watchtower did have enough sense not to remove the truth from the KJ's...

Csonice1:
Whosoever has, to him more (witnesses) shall be given:

1st. " In the beginning was the word,
and the word was with God and the Word was God. "

2nd. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath [b] purchased with his own blood ."[/b]

3rd. " The Lord is the Spirit :and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty."


4th. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the sons of God."

5th. "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
[/b]

from the above, make your conclusion.

TATIME:
What he meant is 'you're not reading the Bible with their holy ghost!'

brocab:
And it sucks even more-when one chooses to become a JW-knowing he or she will never become satisfied in knowledge they retrieve learning about the Watchtowers cultist literature..