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Gabrielshow24:
As far as I am concerned the council of nicaea rejects this doctrine 🤤.

Also you are committing a grave fallacy by using this.

You are both are truly JWs

Gabrielshow24:
Are you alluding to an article written as your absolute truth?

😂😂😂
Are you both this dumb?
So you want me to take a footnote written by some Dr. Spurgeon as a credence to your proposition.

What you commit here is "appeal to authority".

If you are familiar with cipolla's laws then you should know better🤧.
This is becoming pathetic 😂😂😂

Gabrielshow24:
You brought up Greek words and meanings for your previous posit, I wonder why it's hard for you to do the same for this?

Look it up and tell me, do Angels have the same substance as God?

How has this simple question not been answered by two JW giants🤕?

🤧Am waiting

See Gabrielshow24 fear fear

Nah you dey shout "substance" upandan nau.

Oga show this forum the bible chapters/verses where Greek word for "substance" referenced God.

I'm asking again:
What do you understand as substance?

You no fit even attempt any explanation.

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus the son of God, not Michael an angel.
You do know how I showed evidently of the plague you call doctrine.
How you and your previous colleague committed false equivocations.

You are always conflating two different things together.

It's rather burdensome🤕.

3 evidences from your fellow Trinitarians which your ghost deity refused to give you Gabrielshow24.


*1599 Geneva Bible Daniel 12:1.
* Baptist clergy Charles Spurgeon screenshot .
*Protestant Reformers , Martin Luther & early mentors of your pastorpreneurs.

Gabrielshow24:
My claims?

I only asked a simple question.
And you have not answered me.

As regards conjectures, am sure your colleague will do so well to show you our previous discussions so that you might see what fate awaits you if you are logically incoherent.

A simple question - whether angels were of the same substance as God? - is what perturbs you both.

Consider wisely the implications of your statement.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you not a partaker of God's reward? 👀
Or are you not a joint heir?👀

That's why I said it could as well fit Spiritual Israel or the bride of God even the whole of creation could fit right in.

Hence it's vague!!!
The main theme is God raising Jesus above all.

Oga,Which imperfect human being was mentioned or referenced in Hebrew 1:4-14?

What is the subheading on Hebrew 1:4 to 14 in your Bible or online Bibles?
"The son superior to angels" screenshot evidence
Oga, stick to what is written in Hebrew 1:4 to 14 nau.

Gabrielshow24:
"Left" 😂😂😂 is that how you see it🤣.
Oh my God😂😂😂.

You might as well remind yourself of what really happened and stop deceiving yourself and naive readers.

You and your pal, were so shambolic😅,
fallacious and incongruous.

Gabrielshow24:
No one is disputing that, I mentioned that already. What I asked was if they were of his substance?

How hard is that to answer?🤧
Certainly you are on the right track🤤.

Gabrielshow24:
I have no issue with the biblical verse but rather with your tangential interpretation made to fit your narrative.

You have in now way justified that indeed "peer" fits the angelic bill.

It could as well be said of Israel or even mankind as a whole; it could as well be metaphorical.

But as usual you jumped right in by making an "absolute statement".

Gabrielshow24:
So technically to you angels are in the form of God🤔.

Think wisely before you reply

Gabrielshow24:
🤔🤔🤔The way you interpret scriptures dey muzz me👀.

Your lack of context is disheartening.

Steep:
There is no controversy, It is very clear. Jesus is God.
If you want answers you must first be honest with the text.
It is overwhelming clear that scripture calls Jesus God.

GothamCities:
I believe you have answered my questions in your heart. If Jesus is not God, then by all indications, you worship two gods while I worship only one God.

Steep:
Actually it is "our Great God and saviour" the original Greek translation ties great God and saviour together and apply it to one person which is Jesus christ. Paul literally called Jesus our great God and Saviour.

Steep:
The question is who was Thomas speaking to?
Answer Jesus Christ
Thomas was exclaiming that Jesus was his Lord and God.

Steep:
Oga, have you edited John 10:34-36 from your Bible?

Did Jesus himself corroborate Psalm 82:1,6 @ John 10:34-36?
Yes.

But Steep,You are going to great lengths to prove Jesus wrong & deny the scriptures which Jesus Christ told you "can not be broken"

Biblehub your fellow Trinitarian evidence is fantastic.
Small letter "god" @ John 10:33 & Acts 28:6, 1 Corinthians 8:4.

MightySparrow:
So, the doctrine is born out of prejudiced guesses?

Prejudiced guesses in your fellow Trinitarian 1599 Geneva Bible.

Prejudiced guesses by your fellow Trinitarian pastors Charles Spurgeon and reformer, Martin Luther to name a few?

Your ghost deity. guiding them found you unworthy of such high level Intel.
Your gods of men no reach the level to know.

Steep:
If Jesus was an angel how come Hebrews said that Jesus is great than angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent nam

Steep:
Read carefully Jesus was not originally in the form of a servant but in the form of God, he is not a mere exalted servant but he is originally in same form with the father but take a servant form.

GothamCities:
Janosky, let's take a closer look at our discussion about the Trinity.
For example, I know we have a common ground regarding the New Creation doctrine. You and I believe that there's a new heaven and a new earth in our future which shall be inhabited by the New Creation as the Old Creation shall pass away.

Please understand that God is the only Creator, He created the first Creation. Do you think that God will put the second Creation into the hands of an angel? No, God will do it Himself. Both the first and second creations are God's personal undertakings. Hence, as the first Creation was not undertaken by an angel, even so the second creation, which is a correction of the corrupted and old creation cannot be entrusted to an angel. God has to do it by Himself, and this time in the form called Jesus Christ.

Again, take a look at some of Jesus' words and have your own individual reflection at them, you would conclude that an angel cannot talk the way Jesus talks. Take for example, His discourse in John 6. Maybe you can go through the whole chapter again and reflect on the possibility of the speaker being an angel. It would be repulsive to your spirit. Let me highlight verses 50 and 51 as an illustration.

"This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Can you imagine any angel being the Living Bread or the Bread of Life? It's not possible. The only Life Source in the entire universe is God.

GothamCities:
No, i believe you don't understand what Steep and DaddyCool are saying.

There's only one God. His name in the Old Testaments is Jehovah. His name in the New Testament is Jesus, and in the world to come, He'll still have a new name.

The reason you have troubles is that you're a man and cannot fathom how God can be one Person and three Persons at the same time. It's beyond the scope of your understanding. And that is rightly so. If your God can be explained, he is most likely a man like you.

Mark 12:29
"Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the commandments: 'Hear Israel, THE LORD JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH, he is One"


You are a woke pagan, pseudo christian.
Woke pagans don't understand Mark 12:29 nor the holy scriptures.

Steep:
Do you know? Thomas confessed that Jesus is his Lord and God.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Paul confessed that Jesus is our great God and saviour
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Steep:
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus because he made himself God.
Guess what Jesus calmed he has being sanctified by the father meaning whatever he says is true.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus reinforced his initial statement that he is one with God the Father by appealing to his Sonship.

GothamCities:
I have in my previous post given you all the titles of God which are also borne by Jesus. Only God has those titles. Since there are no two Gods. Only one God. If Jesus bears the same titles as God, then Jesus is God.

GothamCities:
This poses a problem to you folks because if Jesus bears the same titles as God. I mean the titles only God bears, and Janosky says Jesus is not God, then, janosky actually has two Gods.

GothamCities:
Geneva Bible does not speak for all Trinitarians. It does speak for itself.

The question I must ask you is, did Gotham tell Janosky he worships two persons?

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Steep:
If Jesus has always being a servant why then does he need to humble himself and take the form of a servant?
Philippians 2

Dtruthspeaker:
See all the howling and cursing and pretence of lack of understanding because stupid jw has been caught in his lie showing that Arc Michael cannot be copying zechariah from Moses time and death where he was fighting for Moses body because Zechariah has not yet been born.

So it is inpossible for Arch Mich to copy Zechariah as lying jw lienosky said!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't say his disciples will curb terrorism, banditry, kidnapping and other evil deeds but within their gathering they will establish peace {John 14:26-27} since they view anyone around them as a potential friend of peace {Luke 10:6} to whom they must preach and teach what the Prince of Peace commanded. Matthew 28:20
That's how they are fulfilling what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah and Micah.
Today if there is any news about war or rumor that war is about to start in any country on this planet Jehovah's Witnesses are proud to tell you that not a single member of our organization is part of those going out to kill their neighbours so we pray for the safety of our fellow JWs in those places.
Can you too pray for the safety of your fellow Pentecostals in a country where war breaks out knowing fully well they are even among those killing others?

Or if Nigeria and Ghana are at war can you pray for the safety of your fellow Pentecostals in Ghana?
When Pentecostals here are part of the soldiers going there to kill people?
Even Adeboye or Oyedepo will never support such prayer instead they will be praying for Nigerian soldiers to win even though their branches are there in Ghana!

GothamCities:
Trinitarians actually don't agree that Jesus is angel Michael. This is heresy.

GothamCities:
All the scriptures I quoted in which the word proskuneo (worship) appeared both for God and Jesus already settled the matter.

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Thankgod89:
Where in my writing do you see that I claim God proceeds from a single source?

GothamCities:
It has nothing to do with trinitarians.

Jesus is not angel Michael. The Scriptures themselves say Jesus is Everlasting Father and Mighty God.

GothamCities:
Proskuneo is the same word translated worship in Luke 24:52 and Mathew 28:17 where Jesus was worshipped by the disciples as He ascended.

"Proskuneo" (προσκυνέω) is the same word used in several Bible verses in direct reference to worshiping God.

Here are a few examples:

Matthew 4:10: Jesus says, "You shall worship (proskuneo) the Lord your God, and serve Him only."

Matthew 15:9: Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13, saying, "And in vain they worship (proskuneo) Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

John 4:20-24: Jesus discusses worship with the Samaritan woman, saying, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship (proskuneo) the Father in spirit and truth."

Revelation 19:10 and 22:9: The apostle John falls down to worship (proskuneo) an angel, but the angel tells him to worship (proskuneo) God instead.

These verses demonstrate that "proskuneo" is indeed used in reference to worshiping God in the Bible, and its the same word used in worshipping Jesus in Mathew 28:17, Luke 24:52 and Hebrews 1:6.

Tetraozonaitera:
@ THE BOLDED

THE WAY YOU GUYS MANIPULATE SCRIPTURES TO SUIT YOUR BELIEFS IS SO AMAZING!

SEE THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN AWAY THE "FIRST AND THE LAST" you attributed to Jesus!
Chai!
So that one is associated to the first will be the last and the last will the first.

THE OTHER "THE FIRST AND THE LAST" HAS DIFFERENT MEANING ABI?

WHERE IN THE BIBLE WERE THEY SEPARATED AND EXPLAINED DIFFERENTLY?

YOU GUYS AND WATCHTOWER TEACHING ARE JOKERS.

KEEP DECEIVING YOURSELVES.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how Aemmyjah who used to be a fair and reasonable jw has now become as DevilMax.



I know its cursed people like you that would just wake up and go out one day and a mad agbero would just beat you, insult you and damage your car even when you did no thing to him, Thank you for showing us that you are Cursed.



See another proof that jw and Satanists are the same? See how he twists exactly as DevilReed and Jw MaxHouse twist.

No where did anybody say, you would beat an agbero. We know Satan in you helps you twist what you read.

Thankgod89:
Here’s an analogy (though not perfect, as God transcends human understanding):

Let consider the sun as a source. From it come light, heat, and radiance.

The light represents the Father, illuminating and guiding all things.

The radiance represents the Son, the visible expression of the source.

The heat represents the Spirit, the energy and presence felt by all.


Though they are distinct in function, they all originate from the same source (the sun) and share the same essence.


In the Trinity:

The Father is the source and origin.

The Son is the Word, through whom the Father creates and redeems.

The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son,
applying God’s work to creation and believers.


From the analogy, we can understand who Jesus is. The issue arises from calling Him God, which stems from the fact that one cannot be separated from their word. If there were another name to describe Jesus apart from "God," much of the debate might not exist.