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MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Janoski don dey give am expo!

GothamCities:
The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'.

The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage.

If homage was intended for Hebrews 1:6, the word in that verse would be προσκύνησις and not προσκυνήσω But since προσκυνήσω is the word used, the most accurate translation is worship.

"...let all the angels of God προσκυνήσω (worship) Him." This is Hebrews 1:6.

"...let all.the angels of God προσκύνησις (homage) Him." This is not Hebrews 1:6.

That verse also shows Jesus is not angel Gabriel.

"...let all the angels of God worship Him." If Jesus was an angel, then, the verse would read: "...let the all the remaining angels worship Him " or '...let all other angels worship Him."

In conclusion, please note that homage itself is a form of worship.

3 Evidences against your claim:

(1) Bible study tools.org , your fellow Trinitarians
Gotham, the fundamental, primary meaning of Greek proskuneo is not worship, your claim is FALSE and faulted by your Trinitarian scholars .

(2)
The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible confirm that faulted your claim.
Hebrew 1:6 Catholic New Jerusalem Bible
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage."

(3) Screenshot
When you prostrate for your Daddy G.O, do you agree that you gave Daddy G.O. "a form of worship ?"

Please desist from idolatry.

GothamCities:
The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'.

The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't say John (the baptist) is the least in the Kingdom of God but the least person is greater than John which means John will not even be in God's Kingdom!


(Matthew 11:11)
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. ~ KJV


Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. ~ NIV


Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is. ~ NWT


You can find other translations to verify that John the baptist will not be in God's Kingdom according to Jesus.

So what did Jesus mean by this statement?

gohf:
isn't because you both lack understanding that you would suggest that Jesus said John the baptist won't be in God's kingdom, in your head Noah, Abraham, David and co wont also be in God's kingdom.

GothamCities:
If you give birth to a child, would the child be a human or a goat?
God can only birth God. Don't be confused.
The Spirit that overshadowed Mary was the Spirit of God, not of man.

GothamCities:
The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright.

@ Hebrew 1:6 Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible rendition reads "homage. "
Nah dem start Trinity before you & your ancestors.
Please go and rest, you are deluded.

The basic meaning of Greek proskuneo is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskuneo to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.
Screenshot evidences.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

GothamCities:
The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright.

The basic meaning of Greek proskyneu is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskyneu to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't say John (the baptist) is the least in the Kingdom of God but the least person is greater than John which means John will not even be in God's Kingdom!


(Matthew 11:11)
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. ~ KJV


Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. ~ NIV


Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is. ~ NWT


You can find other translations to verify that John the baptist will not be in God's Kingdom according to Jesus.

So what did Jesus mean by this statement?

gohf:
another evidence that God did not send you, anyone listening to you should be careful least they go astray

Three different Bible translations, NWT, NIV, KJV said the same thing & made the same point in Matthew 11:11.
But,you don't want to hear the sermon of Jesus Christ in Matthew 11:11.

Oga, write your own version of Matthew 11:11 & bring it to this forum.

chopnaira:
https://gazettengr.com/u-s-lawmaker-proposes-bill-to-ban-male-ejaculation-without-intent-to-impregnate-female/

Almiron:
Source: NYPOST

Melagros:
COMRADES are speechless, MARTIN LUTHER King (Jnr) and late president Kennedy were killed by the KKK

MaxInDHouse:
My brother na wah for the guy o.
Please ask him which version of the Bible he found this?

DaddyCoool:
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This will definitely be my last post on this thread. Please don't feel bad if I don't respond to your post after this.

(Continuing)
3) Christ is the ONLY entity in the entire history of the universe who was foretold as God coming to stay with us, when he came said he was the long-awaited God, and thousands of years later is proven right.
a) He was foretold as God comming to stay with us
!

DaddyCoool:
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a) thousands of years in advance - "Everlasting Father" , "Mighty God" , " Immanuel" (God.with us).

DaddyCoool:
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b) When he came, he confirmed with his own mouth that he was the God they were awaiting - "Why do you ask me to show you God? Haven't you seen me? Once you've seen me you've seen God"

DaddyCoool:
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c) Was raised from the dead to be worshipped as God, (after already being called God and worshipped as God), indicating God's approval of such worship.
a) Has been vindicated by time. 2000+ years later he has turned out to be truly who he and the prophets said he was - "God with us". No such else has ever arisen that even comes close.

DaddyCoool:
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Today he's being worshipped as God by a huge chunk of humanity, with powerful testimonies and powerful movements of God's Spirit, all iindicative of God's approval of such worship !

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

so you believe that God's word contradicts God's word, of course you people believe that

God made nothing without the Word, showing that the Word is not made:
Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

GothamCities:
I am not surprised, I have heard that the devil and his sons have the same lying gene flowing in their blood.

I told you Jehovah and Jesus answer to the same titles which demonstrates that the two are one! They're the same person. Not two persons, but you turned around to lie that I claimed to be worshipping two persons. May God have mercy on your soul.

If Jesus is Everlasting Father and God is Everlasting Father, can't you see Jesus = God? Same person.

MaxInDHouse:
They failed to realize that God created us all through Adam just as God empower Jesus to create other things.

That's what makes both of them equal when it comes to our continue existence had Adam proved faithful like Jesus we wouldn't have had any need for a saviour talkless knowing Jesus! 1 Corinthians 15:45

johnw47:
Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

through Him or by Him, it shows that the Word didn't come into being/wasn't made

DaddyCoool:
"BY HIM"!!
See it below

DaddyCoool:
No wonder. You must be like 14 years old. One never knows who one's chatting with on NL.

Something taught in elementary school is what he is talking like it's a great new discovery!😅
How old are you?

!

DaddyCoool:
Of course Christ meant spiritually dead, but what has that to do with my point?
If your dad is not JW he's spiritually dead in your parlance so you should not bury him. That's what's consistent with your strict constructionist view. That's my point!

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaah, there no firstborn that's not part of those been born!

GothamCities:
He is the Word through which all things were created.

Did you hear that God created the Word? He's the firstborn because He's the foundation of all creation.

DaddyCoool:
You are obviously the one confused.
Please explain to us how a "Son" who created EVERYTHING that was created, and who has ALWAYS been with an ALONE God, is NOT God!

johnw47:
those false jw's are the great false accusers like their god the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

and those gods people lie like hell, which again shows who their god really is

so called jehovah's witnesses:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

gohf:
tell daddycoool don't tell me.

It's called sarcasm.

DaddyCoool:
My friend even the "God" in Revelation 3:12 refers to Christ. See below

How many times did Jesus say "my God " in verse 12?
Was Jesus referring to himself as "my God"?
Emphatic no!!

Christ told you he calls another Being, "my God".

Jesus also said "my God" @ Matthew 27:46 & John 20:17, did Jesus refer that word ("my God" to himself?

Madam, please dey fear "my God" Jehovah nau.

DaddyCoool:
You are the one speaking out of naivety or ignorance. King James had little to do with KJV. It only bore his name

DaddyCoool:
Well, in that case you're not strictly following the Bible as you say you must. I'm sure you also go and bury your fathers when it clearly tells you to leave the dead to bury their dead

DaddyCoool:
That's the one everyone defers to when there is disagreement among other versions, and it wasn't produced by a vested interest

DaddyCoool:
It was Christ speaking to John in Revelation. Examples, see below

DaddyCoool:
You are the one picking and choosing. I said from beginning the Bible says many things and needs to be nuanced in places. But you insist it must be strictly construed!
You can't cherrypick! Your mother is NOT your mother, neither are your brothers and sisters.
ONLY JW are your mother and sisters