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ehya. u get conscience o. but to me, na just consolation. the job was never urs in the first place. forget. the lady knew nothing. u must av scored well while another person either outscored u or outsmarted u.

hello peeps. I need someone who has done nse as well as coren. I just passed my nse exams. now, I ll like to know the how much I ll spend on induction, and how to go ahead and process coren. also. its financial implication. thanks

hahaha. God catch am

That's a welcome development. I use the pop up feature that enables me read msgs that enters at instant and hardly remember to reply messages. but with this! thumbs up. I ll get to know who and who I'm yet to reply

God pls bless me pass dangote

we call them ‘ibu owo‘

once a female. Always a female

keep deceiving yourselves. its obvious from the body languages that the love is no more.

Hello peeps. It been almost six months since my mum stopped discerning smells. I thought its a condition that ll reverse itself even after surfing net etc and doctors even told her it ll go back to normal. But for the past two weeks or thereabout, we av had cases of burnt food etc so I realised its abt time one sought an emergency solution. Both natural cures and medical cures will be appreciated. Thanks

always thought naeto c is hausa. wow

table is turning. very fast

the headmaster

Rilwayne001:
We are doing it gradually. We'll pay everything before the end of next month are you satisfied now? Now, please, stop ranting.

you are just like your gov. same stupid

even the governor knows he's confused. yet the party are still displaying folly. God help osun state

Johnnyessence:
if u are aggrieve show it to the governor cos' we know what is going on hmmmm. he was in osogbo yesterday and people praise him. ogbeni still has a lot of votes in the mind of people.

you are a slowpoke.

I think its good we all respect each others religion. Islam doesn't support terror action and its not to classify all Muslims as being terrorist.

the one wey dey eat my visa o

Even the house that is supposed to start impeachment proceedings are compromised but I know the Lord ll fight the battle. Aregbe must go

Hello Muslims in Nairaland. Happy Jumat to you all.
I happened to read this excerpt on a conversation between an ISIS jihadist and a fellow Muslim journalist on their views abt ISIS, their operations and propaganda. I would like to know your views too abt it. Here is the excerpt. please, don't mind the longevity but I bet you ll enjoy it.




Nina Arif struck up a correspondence with one
volunteer to try to find out.
It had been months since I'd heard anything
from Muthenna Abu Taubah.
He was a fellow British Muslim who, like me,
went to school in central London. Like me, he
loved martial arts. Unlike me, he went to Syria
and joined Isis.
Muthenna Abu Taubah was the alias of a man
whose real name I never knew, but to whom I
spoke for several months. He was a 24-year-
old half-Irish, half-Nigerian convert to Islam.
When I spoke last week to someone who knew
him out in Syria I found out he was dead,
killed in an accident in a bomb-making factory
in Raqqa, capital of the so-called Islamic State.
I first came across Taubah in late 2014, after
exhausting my contacts and spending hours
trawling through social media. I approached
the convert of four years as a Muslim
journalist who wanted to provide an alternative
to the dominant narrative on Isis fighters.
He agreed to answer my questions and we
ended up communicating - by WhatsApp
message - over a period of almost six months.
At first, Taubah spoke formally and stayed in
character as a jihadi warrior. He directed me
to his Twitter account where he'd gained quite
a following by posting statuses about life in
Syria, photographs of himself posing with his
AK-47 and offering advice to other would-be
jihadis.
Taubah had "signed a contract in blood" to
help the Syrian people. It was their plight and
that of other suffering Muslims, he said, which
motivated him to join the group.
"Look at China - men aren't allowed to grow
beards and Muslims aren't allowed to fast.
Look at France - women can't wear niqab. Look
at the USA and UK - you can't even talk about
jihad." While I privately dismissed the links to
propaganda he began to send me, which
simplistically divided the world into good and
evil, I could certainly empathise with
grievances about Muslims having their
freedoms curbed. I could agree too, that many
innocent Muslims were paying the price in
conflicts abroad.
But why had Taubah (Arabic for "repentance"
chosen the path of jihad as a response to
injustice? And weren't Isis committing
injustices too? Soon I would question him
about this. But first, I wanted to know about
his past.
Half in jest, I probed him based on what I
knew about the profiles of some jihadis: "Let
me guess… in your pre-Islam life, you were in
a gang of some sort, took drugs and went to
jail?" He replied with "no comment".
He was only prepared to reveal that his past
was "bad" and that he looked on the bright
side now: "When life gives you lemons, you
make lemonade."
Taubah gradually began to open up more,
telling me he went to university in the UK,
enjoyed Muay Thai, playing chess and once had
a dog. He said his family didn't understand
him, but he loved them and missed them - the
Nigerian side (he never knew the Irish side).
In Syria, he cooked meals with his friends,
adopted a cat and liked the "halal partying" on
Eid, which meant "eating food and having fun
with the ikhwan [brothers]". Taubah even
learned to speak Arabic by mixing with the
other fighters. He told me there were many
foreign fighters living with their families in
Raqqa, where it was "easier not to sin".
Despite his online persona, I wasn't sure if
Taubah actually engaged in combat. When I
asked what job he did for Isis, he vaguely told
me: "We work for Allah in the day and rest at
night." He said he couldn't reveal details for
security reasons, nor did he want to jeopardise
his family in any way. But I wondered if his
withholding information might also have been
because he planned to return home.
As well as bombarding me with jihadi
literature, Taubah also asked questions like
"how many countries have you travelled to?"
and "what's the most horrific thing you've
seen?"
He was sizing me up against himself to prove
how much life experience he had despite being
younger than me. "I've definitely got more life
experience than you," he said.
It was almost 3am and I was struggling to stay
awake but Taubah wanted to learn more about
me. "One more question…" He wanted to know
if I studied Islam, which scholars I listened to
and what I thought about Isis.
I responded with: "I don't know, that's why I'm
speaking to you." He soon asked: "What do
you think of me?" I answered as blandly as
possible, saying I thought he was passionate
about his cause. "Is that it? Nothing bad? I
think you're not being honest."
He was right. So I gave him a more honest
answer: "Some of the things you've said to
me… it's not a balanced way of looking at the
world. I'm worried you'll do things you regret.
You're very young and inevitably you'll change,
and so will the way you view the world. The
Koran says think, reflect and question things. I
think you only see black and white."
This was the first time I sensed Taubah was
annoyed that the barrage of jihadi propaganda
he provided hadn't penetrated my mind.
After telling me I should learn my religion, he
launched into a rant about Muslims in the
West: "They don't value the mujahedeen.
Instead they slander them and say they are
harsh. But they would never say anything
about the kuffar [non-believers]. They love
living under kuffar laws…"
I soon received an abrupt message: "I have to
tell you something. We should not be speaking
anymore." And with an apology for saying
anything "inappropriate", Taubah ended our
conversation.
I respected his wish not to communicate, but
just for four days. My gut feeling was that he
wanted to speak, but was instructed not to
(perhaps my scepticism towards Isis had made
me less trust-worthy). I reopened our
conversation by asking Taubah why he changed
his mind and, for the first time, sensed doubt.
"I have faults, I wouldn't be the best person to
represent IS," he said.
But despite this, he continued to send me links
to jihadi websites. "Some more propaganda for
you. I'm trying to radicalise you if you didn't
notice… I know you think I'm a terrorist."
This time, I decided to also send him articles
with arguments by Muslim academics and
scholars who opposed Isis. "I'm also trying to
de-radicalise you."
But Taubah dismissed all the Muslims I'd cited
as "kafirs" [unbelievers] and often grew tired
of my non-acceptance of his world view.
"There's no benefit in talking to you. I hate
these conversations… I feel sorry for the man
that has to put up with you." He frequently
attacked me yet continued to communicate.
Taubah sent me a photo showing the leader of
the Nigerian militant group Boko Haram
pledging allegiance to Isis. "Do you agree with
what they do?" I asked in reference to the
kidnapping of schoolgirls.
"It is ok to kidnap the women from the kuffar
as long as we don't have a treaty with them."
"Islam allows for young girls who are innocent
to be kidnapped and sold? Seriously?? That
could be your sister."
"Don't let your naffs [personal feeling] corrupt
your views"
"You're the one who has non-Muslims in your
family… So, tell me honestly, if IS wanted to
kidnap and sell your non-Muslim relatives into
prostitution, you wouldn't object to it?"
"You call the sunnah [teachings of the Prophet
Muhammad] prostitution. Fear Allah."
Taubah was angry and when I asked for the
evidence from scripture which sanctioned
people-trafficking, he told me that I should
look for it myself and learn my religion. "I'm
tired of arguing."
By now Taubah's Twitter account had been
shut down and he seemed worried when I told
him that I had found an article about him
online. I didn't understand why he was so
worried and pointed out to him that he should
have expected it, since he'd been very openly
pro-Isis on his very public Twitter account.
He didn't agree: "It wasn't clear that I am IS,
maybe a supporter." Taubah became
standoffish, saying things like "are you intel?"
and "I have you figured out… the conclusion
isn't good".
Our exchanges became less coherent since
Taubah became unwilling to continue debating.
Instead he conceded: "We see the world
differently because we have different
understandings of the deen [religion]." Soon I
stopped hearing from him.
Months passed and I often found myself
wondering what happened to Taubah. I finally
managed to reach somebody who knew him
and I asked the first question that came to my
mind, "Is Abu Taubah still alive?"
He was dead. He had been killed alongside his
best friend in a bomb-making factory in Raqqa.
I was told that the 24-year-old was engaged to
be married when the accident happened. But
he had once said: "Death is written for you.
When it comes, you can't avoid it."
Aside from a lesson in scripted jihadi
responses, our exchanges brought me insight
into an individual who perhaps lacked the
absolute conviction he first tried to project.

Ephemmm:
What do you know about governance that you are blabbing about? Can you please explain 'equality' and 'objectivity' among the Nolan's principles of corporate governance/administration in public service?

Continue waiting for one government to come and solve domestic problem for you while you have many identifiable potentialities: your eyes will soon clear.

All these jargons u are quoting are not even applicable to all we are saying. Go and start a thread for other states Mr man.
and if u are Mr aregbe supporter in disguise. what abt those workers and pensioners who don't av any other means of livelihood. you are so insensitive. God ll forgive u.

Ephemmm:
Says by God or a mere mortal?

Mr man. its just good u keep ur mouth shut as long as u aren't affected. cos I am. guys like u don't understand what good governance is abt. u go abt babbling. ur point prior to this was why not condemn other states as well but I tell u, its not as if they aren't feeling the heat but someone just must start talking. I said earlier, Egypt and Tunisia and other arab countries didn't just find themselves where they are today until a statement was made.

Ephemmm:
Sorry for opening your mind from being brain-washed. Osun State is in problem, just like its counterparts: stop the exaggeration. May God give you enablement to witness my administration which will be totally entrenched in good governance and administration when the time comes.

lols. u ll definitely not get to places like with such judgements.

well. going by ur profile. leme give u ur dose. u are spellbound. from cuba

Ephemmm:
I don't know your exact point, but who told you other workers whose states are owing always move out of their respective states to flex their monies too? In fact, the fact that you have stomach should be an indication that they have stomach too.

Whether you like Okonjo Iweala or not is none of my business, but instead of all these incessant comments from her, have you asked yourself the extent to which she has diversified our economy as a Minister of Finance for about six years?

Condemn bad governance, but don't make it seems selective because it will only make you subjective instead of being objective. In other words, what is good for goose is also good for the gander. It takes you less than 5 minutes to create an objective thread: get the fact.

Osun is not yours alone, I was born and brought up there: it is ridiculous how you exaggerates as if we don't have other states who are in the same shoe.

God bless Nigeria.

well. to give u the answer u deserve.
u are obviously a fellow propagandist. u av shown u are from there and definitely with the gov using other states as excuse
birds of a feather. I don't know what he gives u and how u av benefited.
I wonder what kind of leader u ld become if afforded the chance. if truly u stay in the state as u claimed then,
I don't even know what to call u.
I reserve that for now.

Ephemmm:
So, you have resulted to personalizing Osun abi with my analysis? What gives you assurance that I am not from Osun too?

I want to believe u are not from osun. and if u are, u must be supporting the actions of the state gov. leme tell u, osun is reliant on allocation to sustain it. in truth, its not good but its the bitter fact we av to stomach. it has a big population to cater for. these civil servants we talk of. when they receive salaries, they don't go to ibadan or Lagos to flex their money. they spend it here. the self employed, market men, masons, bricklayers and even the bank get the money. it revolves round the state. we are not like ur place where u can to some extent afford to keep quiet even when not paid. and its not as if we av accepted our situations hook, like and sinker. condemn bad governance. these gov need be put on their toes. they spend recklessly. they av been advised before now. I personally don't like okonjo because her policies are harsh for the Nigerian populace but yet, she was right as regards spending by the govs. open a thread, speak for ur state and if osun news bores u, ignore but don't criticize those that condemn the gov cause we av our points.

boxypane:
We shall all Overcome Bro. I just hope d situation will not be politicized by those hungry looting criminals we call politicians. Its quite an unfortunate situation though.
I hope he keeps to his promise of pay b4 June ending.
Respect.

on point bro. that's my 'like' for ur statement

Ephemmm:
Why do you guys always cry on Osun's affairs while states from your region with much allocations and revenues are still owing?
For your information, Abia, Akwa Ibom, Bauchi, Benue, Cross River, Ekiti, Imo, Jigawa, Kano, Katsina, Kogi. Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo, Plateau, Rivers and Zamfara owe their employees salary arrears of at least 6 months. You can deepen your online research.

I can even help you, just click on the following threads so that your eyes can be opened - http://www..ng/2015/06/14/see-the-list-of-states-owing-workers-6-months-salaries-and-above-why-are-they-now-insulting-osun-alone/

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/23-states-owing-workers-says-labour/

Take note!

my brother. speak for ursef . we in osun say not to bad governance. u can as well open a thread for ur state.

boxypane:
U need not go all causing. " Have u forgotten that what is worth doing is worth doing well" with God always on my side, I will always overcome. I cause those that cause My own. U should watch ur tongue.
U say I argue blinbly because of my situation. Don't get me wrong sir, I am not stating that its right d govt keeps its jobless workers hungry or not pay the our humble pensioners there entitlements, or not pay medicals and revitalise the health system of this great state, for God's sake, its only a heartless person who would employ n not pay workers 4 almost a year. Eg Daar communications.
You will take back ur words of insults and causes as I have humbly did.
The way out of this crises is eminent.
Its time the ppl of Osun start thinking 4 demselves.

I wish some pensioners see all ur posts then u ll know what it truly means to curse. you say osun pple shud wake and blah blah blah. how has the state been existing for long? whether or not we like it, allocation cant increase overnight. I'm happy u understand the plight of the citizenry but u don't change policies at the expense of others moreso when life is involved.
you preach by example. that's the best form of teaching I know. you don't go abt dIshing out state funds for campaigning and extravagant lifestyle. you don't undertake frivolous or irresponsible or unrealisable projects just because u want pple to say u are working. no. its wrong.
there's what they call economic forecasting. it tells u the impacts of present actions in the future.
this same gov once said he doesn't need to rely on allocation before he pays. now what has happened?
he was advised by the former minister for finance on how to spend yet they think they know best.
guy. lets stop supporting mediocrity. lets be plain and say the truth.
its not as if civil servants are lazy. in fact. leme tell u, hardly will u see one that doesn't av some other biz to augment the low pay they receive but for how long will it sustain them. seven month fah. its much. we av families and children that go to school.
not everyone have the opportunity to work iv chevron or provide services like u.

before replying some people, its so obvious from their previous posts or topics who they are. even with the state of things in osun. I don't mind the speaker taking over. but that ogbeni shud go. he's incapable of good governance.

vedaxcool:
After not checking your profile it is obvious you are a troll seeking my attention, ok I have given attention, go and seek no attention.

https://www.dudelol.com/img/hooray-people-are-paying-attention-to-me.gif

I need not be dragged in war of words with u. its obvious u av a collection of cartoons on ur phone or source the net for them. shows how childish u are. another downside to ur being an extremist. Get a life and grow up

boxypane:
I can afford 3 square meals coz I refuse to depend on the govt n remain productive, creating service that fills my pocket well.
Now to approach ur lame sense of stupidity and mis-direction. Have u ever visited any state govt secretariate? What u should preach is 4 states to focus on been productive rather than depend on revenue from d FG. Wat is happening to Osun now is simply economics of short run losses, that govt will get to see d light at d end of the tunnel, because d laid down programmes and execution are sensible.
Do u knw they assemble phones( android tabs in Osun)?.
The plight of knowledge of most of u guys who don't read up full articles b4 running ur stinking thoughts on this platform.
Mumu!!!

I'm happy u av stated ur situation. people like u aren't worth being leaders. u can afford three square meals because u cab work hard and the job is there for u. good. others who u claim aren't worth it and are lazy and are in the govt ate deliberately the cause of their predicament.
I dont know if u even stay in the state but even if u do, u are a slowpoke.
A big fool and u knowing the economy of the state can still talk like this shows how stupid u are. Tell me what are the achievements of this gov. what projects av been completed.
Osun is a civil service state. no doubt. even if the workers are lazy, they must be paid because when u look at one of the essence of civil service, its to allow for spread of wealth of the nation. u don't know all these because u argue blindly and ll keep arguing.
For ur info, I'm a civil servant in the state and if u can see, u ll know I'm good and ok and not hungry because i av people ready to support me. but what any those who av families to cater for. those pensioners dying daily. u didn't think abt that before spitting jargons. The table ll turn one day and u shall av a dose of this I bet.

boxypane:
Get ur facts right. Where u put Akwa-ibom, Rivers, Kogi, Ondo etc.
Where u come from?

That other states keep quiet doesn't mean they are ok. the arab spring didn't just start overnight. it started with Tunisia when someone decided to put an end to it. This has to stop. financial recklessness must stop. someone must bell the cat