₦airaland Forum

Joshthefirst: na bad belle dey worry am.

okeyxyz: What exactly is your problem bros

sarutobie: Maybe he should just adopt the exchange variation and steer the game through calmer paths as white..

okeyxyz: I said before: Moses saw and spoke with what he understood to be God in that dispensation of the Law. But in reality it was not God but entities/angels carrying out the mandate of God(again in the dispensation of the law). But the law is gone now(to them that believe) and angels no longer have the mandate to speak in the place God.

Ihedinobi: Religious philosophy is a well-defined field in itself. There are skill sets necessary to operating effectively in it and you do not acquire them by merely reading the Bible. That much is an established fact. Established by the existence of academies and fellowships that regulate the field.

Logicboy03: How silly.....

Anyone who has read the bible can debate with a theologian from morning to night on similar grounds
Reading a biology textbook (or books) only will never put you on the same grounds with a biologist..


You christians are experts at conflating and misconstruing things to fit lies that protect your religion

Uyi Iredia: I'm quite willing to bet you are as ignorant as he is wrt theology. That said I'm currently a number 7. For starters, God isn't empirically verifiable and runs against the thread of common experience.

minute: Dawkins should stick to what he knows. Dawkins talking about theology is like

Britney Spears giving her beliefs on quantum-physics. It makes no sense and people

should ignore it.

ajayikayod: Link not necessary, i answered u earlier.

honeychild: So I finally bit the bullet and bought what seems to be the "Holy Book" of nairaland atheists: Richard Dawkins' "The God delusion".
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I have only read up to the 4th chapter so far, but I must say reading it is a pleasant surprise. Judging by the obnoxious and gratuitous insults spewed on this board by his more prominent disciples- I was expecting to be assaulted on each page with insults to God and of course me for being so unintelligent as to have faith.

On the contrary, what I find is that the eminent scientist is wise enough to know that he doesn't know everything. Logicboy and Ooman please take note: the default atheist position is not "There is no God". But "God, though not technically disprovable, is very very improbable indeed. "

I am also highly impressed with his willingness to concede when he has made a mistake. For instance, I had earlier watched a debate he had with John Lennox in which he was taken to tax for stating in an earlier edition that there is controversy amongst historians about whether or not Jesus really lived. He was quick to acknowledge that he was wrong, and I noticed that in this edition he makes the statement "although Jesus probably existed....."

So, my question to nairaland atheists is: Why do you think it is a necessary part of being atheist to insult every one who is not and to be gratuitously crude, vulgar and obnoxious?

okeyxyz: Moses saw what he understood to be God in that dispensation of the law. But the true God of christ, nobody ever saw before the death and resurrection of christ. The true God of Christ was always hidden. What the people of old saw was a shadow(imitation) of him, being that the Law of moses was the standing system of righteousness and under that system, God cannot be seen nor understood.

lanrexlan: You forgot to read this.
Exodus 33:11 (NIV) -The LORD would speak to Moses face to face,as a man speaks with his friend.Then Moses would return to the camp,but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.How does a man speaks with his friend? Will you back your friend? Moses saw god in the bible,face to face.Ojukoroju hmmm

aManFromMars: Lol. How? Fast food does more harm. Please bring something concrete.

aManFromMars: Weed, for me, relaxes me. So I kinda agree with those who say it's medicinal, though I haven't really done any research on those claims.

joudini: I would say l had early contact with weed. Started at 14 in boarding house. One of the things l copped from weed was the relaxed, laid-back, multi-dimensional view it seemed to give me about an event. I no longer looked at an event just like an event but as a sequence of reaction from an earlier event. It seemed l could see the board instead of individual pieces just like an eagle flying overhead. It gave me a super-imposed sense of awareness. I was at peace with myself and nature. But only as long as l was under the psychedelic effects. Over the years though, l have understood that l shouldnt let a substance, natural or synthetic, determine my state of mind for me at any moment. I had to give it up.

bonetalk: I can't forget this thing called marijuana, it almost killed me/make me insane in my secondary school days and it lasted for 3 days before i could get myself back to normal. The last time i smoked it was when i was re-writing my ssce examination, i couldn't write anything down on that day, i couldn't walk, nor see clearly, everything i saw then were moving including buildings . It was funny but i cant forget those ugly moments of my life. Thank God for my life now, i've accepted Jesus into my life, and there is nothing like that in Life!

aManFromMars: Erm, keep your Jesus out of this thread,abeg.

That man that forgot to bless a marriage because he was thirsty for alcohol...

The man that dried a fig tree so he could smoke the leaves..


No come spoil my thread.

prof800: The white.

Logicboy03: No amount of debate will stop Joagbaje from believing in in tithes or texting demons

prof800: Does someone here know quick way to break the wall of Roy Lopez?
I need to use it. This guy has been winning me siiiince.

okeyxyz: Using humor to cover your failed argument??

I ask you again: Can you offer a valid critique or opposition to any true christian doctrines or claims?? I'm guessing no, so you sneak away with a humor jab

okeyxyz: What sort of proof might you be asking for. I speak as a christian and it seems to me that everyone who criticizes the christian doctrine, these criticisms are for things that are not christian. They seem to require a proof of claims that were never made(nor attributed to) by this christian God or his doctrine. Bottom line, no body understands this God, else they'd be asking relevant questions of him/his doctrines.

beejaay: am not saying what u said was wrong (who am i to even say something like that), i was only bringing in another perspective (frankly speaking i dont subscribe to the right/wrong idea..to me nothing is wrong and nothing right, everything is just as it is).. i was only saying that a seeking mind should not stop his wandering mind because it is in wandering that we become whole..

okeyxyz: You are not a christian. There is no where in the doctrines where non-christians are threatened with hell.

beejaay: in the path of seeking there is no confusion, everything that a seeker follow is as it should be.a seeker should not be afraid to satisfy his curiosity, infact he has to be open-minded to all cos in the end nothing matter at all..
seeking means trying it all (in whatever way ur mind pointed u too..one thing i have come to know is that a true seeker can never get lost) and we all take different path, different path that might have been condition by how we were born, the situations our mothers were during pregnancies (some were happy throughout the 9 months, some were happy for some months and some were sad all through)... a seeker need to get to a point where he realizes there is really no point to be made and he can only know this after trying to make all the points

okeyxyz: What sort of proof might you be asking for. I speak as a christian and it seems to me that everyone who criticizes the christian doctrine, these criticisms are for things that are not christian. They seem to require a proof of claims that were never made(nor attributed to) by this christian God or his doctrine. Bottom line, no body understands this God, else they'd be asking relevant questions of him/his doctrines.

castrokins: You should ask ASUU how they expend TETFUND. What cause are they fighting for? After years of funding through the Tertiary Education Trust Fund, can you say for a certainty that objectives of the fund were/are met?

omogidi234: @ topic, ASUU should invent another style of getting their demands met other than strike. Government is not feeling the immediate impact rather it is the students.

goziepenzy: . Good move by FG! ASSU my nyash

Sweetlemon: Bravo!

But it is really sad! Nigerians have gotten so used to being used by the FG that they don't want to be rescued. It's like a wife, an abused wife who is so used to being treated like dirt by husband that she now enjoys the pain.
There's deep pain in my heart because I know that no matter how hard I pray for Nigeria, Nigeria will not get better because the people themselves do not want change!

InesQor: Thanks for the contribution, jayriginal!

But would you say 'belief' / 'disbelief' in God is that discrete, that you can deem an atheist as one who does not believe in God's existence? I think atheists have varying extents of disbelief, do you think this matters in the definition?

My point is, even Theists sometimes have experiences that make them disbelieve God's existence, howbeit for a short period of time. It is said that doubt is an integral aspect of faith. I like to say is like friction in a system, apparently undesirable but in the right quantity it is required for any motion in the first case.

Joagbaje: Shamback or smith shared in his book how he came to Africa and ministered to a witch doctor and in the night , satan visited him , heavy wind which flung his bed from on end to the room to the other, when he woke up he commanded the devil to come back and re arange the room . The wind came back in and re aranged the scattered room.