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Christianity Etc › Re: What To Do With Your Opinions On Another Person's (ir)religious Beliefs. by jayriginal: 10:04am On Oct 02, 2013

texanomaly: How so?

Please see my post to Mr Troll immediately above.

Christianity Etc › Re: What To Do With Your Opinions On Another Person's (ir)religious Beliefs. by jayriginal: 10:00am On Oct 02, 2013

Mr Troll: Agnostics believe that one cannot state categorically whether god does or does not exist. As i like to put it, man as of now lack the tools of proving the or disproving the existence of god. Atheists on the other hand state categorically that there's no god. Thats why i'm not atheist, its just the other extreme of belief in god. Neither of which have specific proof. . .

Thats wrong Sir.

Atheism isnt the position that there is no God. That is what you get with labels. Now there is "strong" atheism and "weak" atheism. All sorts of baloney. If you will believe it, there is even "Christian" atheism.

Atheism is a lack of belief. As such, agnostics are atheists because they do not believe. You can call them atheists playing safe if you want or as LogicBoy once said, "atheists without balls".

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 9:52am On Oct 02, 2013

Uyi Iredia: Yes I do.

Does your acceptance of evolution come on the basis of "faith"? I know that is not a "proper" question to ask but some people take it that way.

What I basically mean is; do you now being a Deist, feel compelled to take evolution as a fact, in probably the same way that some people feel bound to reject evolution because they are theists?

Secondly and further, what changed your views on evolution? What do you think about your old arguments against it and what new arguments would you counter with in support?

Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Still Alive by jayriginal: 9:24am On Oct 02, 2013

ooman: There are people who believe Elvis is still alive somewhere... Jesus, Elvis, Mohammed...its all craziness, these are dead people.

Tupac too

Christianity Etc › Re: What To Do With Your Opinions On Another Person's (ir)religious Beliefs. by jayriginal: 3:25pm On Sep 30, 2013

texanomaly: A friend from church became agnostic. I think that is different than atheist. Although I'm not completely sure.

Its actually not though people try to make it seem so.

Health › Re: Thread For Weed Smokers. by jayriginal: 9:49am On Sep 30, 2013

bolaino: The marijuana plant is a divine plant, a plant from the creator of the world, a plant created to heal the soul, do you know that of everything that God created for consumption from humans, marijuana is the only one that you can not die of overdose from.

Don’t give me that sh1t that weed’s a drug. It ain’t no motherfuckin’ drug. I’ve done the research. It’s just a plant. It just grows like that. And if you just happen to set it on fire . . . Katt Williams.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by jayriginal: 9:46am On Sep 30, 2013

Lots of ASStronauts and Rear Admirals up in here.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by jayriginal: 9:13pm On Sep 28, 2013

Logicboy03: I understand.

However.....you misunderstand the atheist debate. It is not about evolution. Example....“.atheism or islam, which is more rational?” as a debate topic. It has been done before

Ok. I needed clarification on that.

Although you give atheism vs islam as an example, I think that ultimately, it really boils down to skepticism? Like is it better to believe in something abstract and unprovable or to suspend belief? To me the difference is that you have given labels; atheism and islam.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by jayriginal: 8:42pm On Sep 28, 2013

I did read the OP earlier but since you want my take, here it is,

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]Is it really wrong to preach atheism?[/size]

Going back to the title, the question to answer here is- is it wrong for atheists to go around in public, pushing information about atheism from signboards to door to door visits? Is it wrong to have signboards saying "there is no God"? Is it wrong to have atheist debates in speakers' corners in public parks? Is it wrong to have atheist television shows weekly? Is it wrong to promote atheism on religion forums on the internet?

Going round in public and pushing information from door to door is intrusive. I personally would not like anyone to walk up to me unsolicited and start preaching at me or trying to sell me anything, be it material or an ideology.

Signboards are ok but I would rather have the message subtle. I say they are ok not because I would be willing to sponsor, one but because they are not as intrusive. Still people deserve respect and these signboards and ads may offend them. Thats aeisnother reason to keep it subtle. Plus the signboard will probably get vandalized anyway.

Having atheist debates and atheist television shows brings one to the question, what is atheism. Atheism is just a lack of belief. If I am debating evolution vs non evolution, that doesnt make it an atheistic debate. Likewise if one is discussing the finer points of string theory, that doesnt also make it an atheist debate. It starts and ends with not believing in a deity. Nothing more. An atheist may hold other views in addition but thats not part of atheism. You very well know for instance that quite a number of theists accept the theory of evolution.

Many atheists have backpedaled away from promoting atheism due to the criticism of "atheist evangelism" from religious apologists. Some atheists raise their hands up in defence and claim "[b]I am not preaching, atheism....I am promoting science/humanism/skepticism"! What is wrong with promoting atheism, I ask? [/b]

I can understand the fear of talking about atheism in some instances, due to the possible backlash from religious bigots. I can understand that not everyone likes to talk about their disbelief or beliefs.

The bolded is what I would like to address. I missed it the first time I read the OP.

With humanism, you can basically say its better to be good for goodness sake than for fear of the unknown. Humanism I guess, could serve as a sort of replacement for religion. Skepticism? Well, thats what I was aiming at with stimulating rather than direct messages. Theres nothing wrong in letting people find their own path.

Whilst many would probably like to be spoonfed, I think that it is best for each person to make his/her own realisation. Its pretty hard to reach someone if you are all up in their face and confrontational about it.

However, I dont see why some atheists would claim that promoting atheism is almost as silly as evangelizing in the name of religion. Some people just want to let the world know that it is alright and rational to disbelief in the existence of a spiritual entity that you cant prove..........

I have no problem with the bolded above. In fact, I insist on it.

In my experience, it works like this. I dont push my atheism in peoples faces neither do I hide it. But people are so religious that it is bound to come up. It can come up in several ways sometimes unexpectedly.

When they get to know where I stand, they initially think I am joking and then their amazement turns to disbelief. Sometimes revulsion. Sometimes anger. One man even asked me what secret society I was in. Another said even if its Allah, I should believe *facepalm*.

The bottom line is that lots of people cannot imagine someone who does not believe in a spiritual power of some sorts.

Well, some of them get curious and ask questions. Some remain closed minded while some agree that I make sense but they still play the safe side of Paschals wager. In all this my goal is never to get them to be like me, rather it is to make them understand why I am the way I am.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by jayriginal: 7:49pm On Sep 28, 2013

^^^

Actually, Im just reacting to the question "is it really bad to preach atheism". Just stating my opinion that atheism cant be "preached".

A bus campaign like that isnt bad. Might get people thinking. Something like "What makes you trust your religion over the others" could also get people thinking too.''

Subtlety is the key. You dont want to be too direct, you just want to stimulate at first. #myopinion

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by jayriginal: 5:37pm On Sep 28, 2013

Exactly what is there to "preach" about atheism?

In my considered opinion, absolutely nothing!

Do you tell someone not to believe in God? Why? And what are you to replace that belief with? The minute you tell someone to discard their belief and accept your own personal convictions, you are indoctrinating the person. Thats just as bad as what you stand against.

There is nothing to atheism apart from not believing in God. Each atheist has a different mindset so what exactly will be "preached"?

Now if you are advocating humanism as an alternative to atheism, that is different. Its definitely not preaching atheism even though many will deliberately try to blur the lines so that they can argue about it.

Advocating for humanism can be very interesting but atheism; that would be boring.

Apart from humanism, advocating for awareness amongst people which aims to open their eyes to the wonders and workings of the natural world will also be interesting. An example could be sponsored scientific programmes aimed at the general public. Topics from cosmology to quantum physics and evolution etc will be discussed.

These are meant to get people to think for themselves and consider other options.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 9:50am On Sep 28, 2013

OLAADEGBU: Good. Do you believe in Darwinian evolution?

Evolution is not something to be "believed". Theres no faith to it.

And what the hell is "Darwinian" evolution? What type of evolution do you "believe" in?

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 9:38am On Sep 27, 2013

OLAADEGBU: Why is this falsehood? Oh you too believe in absolute morality. Do you have absolute knowledge? If not why do you say with certainty that there is no God?

I have never said anywhere that there is no God.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 11:03am On Sep 26, 2013

OLAADEGBU: For you to be an atheist you need all the knowledge in the world and since you don't you cannot call yourself an atheist.

You persist knowingly in this falsehood because thats the only way you can convince yourself that you have anything worth saying.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 11:00am On Sep 26, 2013

Lordlexyy: Like you rightly said, absolute knowledge is what that is required to wholly accept anything as true or false.

Spot the irony. I doubt you can though.

Let me help. Given your statement above, and the fact that you accept your religion as true, then you claim absolute knowledge. Laughable.

By comparison, atheism does not claim absolute knowledge. It simply says when you can prove your point, we will accept.

Spot the difference!

Christianity Etc › Re: 7 Ways People Enter Into Evil Covenants by jayriginal: 10:07am On Sep 25, 2013

God2man: what do you want me to write? So, i should give you half of 25, No.
It is just an example.

Besides, if you do not believe, then proceed to obey the 11 commandment, that is do whatever you like.

God bless you.
God2man.

Bless you too.

jayriginal

Christianity Etc › Re: 7 Ways People Enter Into Evil Covenants by jayriginal: 8:33am On Sep 25, 2013

jayriginal: Im just curious. Since they are sharing/dividing demons by two, whats a fraction of a demon? The girl that got 25 out of 50 would give half. Half of 25 is . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: MEME ZONE: Atheists Let's Unwind by jayriginal: 8:27am On Sep 25, 2013

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Forum Games › Re: You Think You Are Intelligent...dig This... by jayriginal: 3:46pm On Sep 24, 2013

Well if MOM is ""mother of mine" then the other siblings will be AOF (Aunty of Mine).

grin

Programming › Re: Would I Go To Hell For Being A Python Programmer??? by jayriginal: 2:12pm On Sep 23, 2013

Im surprised no one mentioned this.

The "python" does not refer to a snake, it refers to the Monty Python Flying Circus which Guiddo Van Rossum was a fan of. The logo doesnt matter because that is not intention behind the name.

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Gaming › Re: Nairaland Official Chess Thread! by jayriginal: 10:03am On Sep 23, 2013

GeneralShepherd: anybody know where I can get a mat set for like 5k-ish

Mats are generally 2,500 - 3,000. Last I checked anyway.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Renounce Atheism And Agnosticism!!! by jayriginal: 5:10pm On Sep 22, 2013

obadiah777: bolaino be like say God dey your side sha.

ermmm america has just bombed russian embassy in syria. these nukes finna start flying soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-4JYRWhWhg

Didnt hear this. Its all epl.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Renounce Atheism And Agnosticism!!! by jayriginal: 5:07pm On Sep 22, 2013

Delafruita:
definitely.murder is just the same as killing.irrespective of whether its in war,self-defence or otherwise.a life is taken but the classification as good or evil depends on the society and circumstance

Uyi Iredia: Fair enough. I quote the above for future reference. I shall also assume given your response, that you believe that r@pe, genocide and necroph**lia are good depending on society and circumstance.

A life is taken means a life is taken. Thats never good. Perhaps Delafruita didnt express himself properly but this is what I would say on the matter.

Its never good when a life is taken but there may be justifiable reasons for taking a life. The important question is what justifies taking a life.

As for rape and necrophilia, those are touchy subjects and while I do have a view on them, I refrain from commenting on them because most people cannot "refresh their page". They cannot look at things from a neutral point of view.

As an example, there are many people who dont see executing criminals by firing squad as barbaric. In fact, they will advocate worse. However, when they hear of muslims beheading others or stoning them to death, they condemn it.

For that reason I choose to keep my views on the latter two practices you mentioned to myself.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Renounce Atheism And Agnosticism!!! by jayriginal: 12:28pm On Sep 21, 2013

Err OP, you never struck me as an atheist. I mean, you were one of those supporting that spiritual bullet proof nonsense if I remember correct.

Next, when Obadiah started talking of nukes, you got scared.

What it is, is that you have finally decided to settle for a safe position. Nothing wrong with that. Just dont give the impression that you were an atheist. You cant renounce what you never were.

@Striktlymi
a personal appeal to you. PLEASE stop with this "ish" business. Its sickening!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Create Germs And Viruses? Christians ,I need Your Answers by jayriginal: 9:45am On Sep 20, 2013

How about flesh eating bacteria?

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 3:17pm On Sep 19, 2013

The information is readily available if you want it. That is what I have been trying to tell you.

You asked for a detailed explanation which is not a simple thing to do considering the level of ignorance you have displayed.

I wouldnt know where to start from. Who knows if I will have to teach you the alphabet first?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Professions That Will Make You More Likely To Be An Atheist? by jayriginal: 11:52am On Sep 19, 2013

There is an unlikely culprit.

Being a religious leader (pastor, pope, priest, etc) pushes one into atheism. I believe most of these people do not believe in the god they preach. They just dont know it or they refuse to accept it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 10:58am On Sep 19, 2013

^^

There are many theists here that are aware of the "rational" theories and explanations yet choose to believe in their "myths". Its one thing to argue with that kind.

To argue with someone who needs a detailed explanation, is another kettle of fish entirely. Where does one start from?

I mean, if you do not even know that man did not evolve from monkeys as you think, where do I start from?

Listen, do some reading. Im not trying to change your beliefs, in fact I made a simple correction. Do some reading before you argue.

Take that as a challenge.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 10:40am On Sep 19, 2013

Gombs: Ok, lemme don't assume..pls furnish me with a detailed account of how the universe and man came about.

Im not even sure how to address this. Detailed account you say?

I have neither the time nor the inclination. You can do some reading on your own if you are serious. There are several threads here discussing these issues. I would have posted a link for you but the last time I used that link, I got banned.

Go to google and use it. Then come back here.

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by jayriginal: 10:26am On Sep 19, 2013

GeneralShepherd: This is fallacy of false equivocation, countless studies have shown that nobody was born gay or straight we make our choices...

Blind people!!!! Comparing blind people with homosexuals..kaiiii how love can the LGBT community get?

I can't careless about homosexuals it doesn't affect me,but the act is horrendous to me absolutely despicable. But hey its their live,their right.

I assume you are straight. I am pretty sure that you didnt choose to be straight. You simply found yourself attracted to the opposite sex. Thise who make choices are those who are bisexual (my opinion).

Yes, you can compare a blind person with a homosexual. Why? Because people should be born with sight. Also, the person born blind did not choose to be.

GeneralShepherd: Well I will bookmark this thread my Username and comment for future reference to my kids...

If any turns gay,he/she is out SIMPLE no inheritance no nothing.

Be atheist,I don't mind but GAY?!!!! Hell no

Maybe you should refrain from having children.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How To Become An Atheist by jayriginal: 2:56pm On Sep 18, 2013

Gombs: Twas you folks who said we evolved from monkey

You are assuming too much.

..I now asked, if we actually did, we do we still have monkeys today?

Which is a wrong question to ask.

You now goofed . . .

Oh no. I corrected you. Feel free to look it up.

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