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francawilson:
If the seller said he/she will refund u then they will.I usually pay for mold sha and i send my own design to them so i don't know which one is design fee but my mold fee has once been refunded to me as promised by a supplier but not refunded per sey.It was deducted from the total bill I was supposed to pay cos i used escrow.Gather liver&pay but if not refunded to u as promised;then argue it out with the supplier.
Good luck

Thanks.
I'm ready to pay. Is just that he says its per design so I have to be sure of the design before they go ahead as they cannot make mock-ups. So if they do it and I don't like it, then I pay again.

Also what customised items did you import as I really need all the experience I can get?

AleAirHub:
Good morning sir,

Please kindly forward us the details of the prices you have received so far with their links, let see how it goes.
Bravo!!!

Although we have not yet agreed on the design. But the price he gave me is $0.85.
Though we have not finalised on the design, here is a link to the store https://mjtie.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-801129845/Logo_Necktie.html

jedisco:
Hello house. I've closely followed this thread for sometime.
I want to import ties (customised). A seller is asking for a $25 design fee which is refunded after placing the order. I'm getting alot of confusing prices. Pls is there anyone here that has done that or anything similar?
I would also appreciate tutoring as a first timer so as not to make mistakes

Anyone?

AleAirHub:
Good morning,

++++Mention sites are all owned by one company called Alibaba Holding Company

++++Alibaba has been best known for a marketplace for buyers who want to order a larger goods/qty. Their prices are surebet but you must meet the merchant FOB target (Free On Board) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOB_%28shipping%29[/url] . Over there , you have fully power of negotiation of either the you accept the merchant price or the merchant accept yours..... [Level ground].

++++ Taobao/1688 is the semi-marketplace of alibaba , which offer a reasonable amount that can not be found in aliexpress or other Chinese store. You're sure of order goods at MOQ [Minimum Order Quantity] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/minimum-order-quantity . Their price seem to be favourable to most importer..

So i advice you go though our thread from 1-44 and you will get more insight, because such questions have been answer here.

Take care

Thanks. I'm actually interested in importation of customised fabric like ties and clothing materials with logo.

I want to start with ties first. What do you think is a good price for a polyester tie with logo because I'm getting confused with the prices I'm seeing

I know you must have answered this question severally but I couldn't pick any post.
What is the advantage of taobao and 1688 over alibaba especially for bulk purchases?

Hello house. I've closely followed this thread for sometime.
I want to import ties (customised). A seller is asking for a $25 design fee which is refunded after placing the order. I'm getting alot of confusing prices. Pls is there anyone here that has done that or anything similar?
I would also appreciate tutoring as a first timer so as not to make mistakes

Infinitikoncept:
Its 1688 not 1988. Launch with google chrome on mobile and u get translate option. For computers use the right click button

What is the advantage of 1688 and tobao over alibaba

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I've been in search of a thread like this. Anyone in Kaduna town?

0MW for 3hours?? Someone just broke another record

@op this is ridiculous.
Are you trying to mock the little boy's effort. His grammar is what matters to me and it's good. The ability to draw is more of an innate talent.
I do hope this gets to the school's authority so you can be adequately sanctioned. Infact, I wish there was a way I could contact the school. A Google search should help.

In summary, you are a disgrace to whatever tertiary institution you attended.

georgegina:
Nice write up @ op,i reside around dat domain n i'm fully aware of d land issue between poly n d Gbagyi. I recall how Gbagyi chiefs were selling same land for more than 3buyers at that period,how even when d case was not won yet people still wen ahead 2 build houses in gbagi villa. I'm also aware that after d 1st court case,n d land was demacated,Gbagyi stil encrouched into d supposed poly land n started selling again. M fully sure that it is not d whole Gbagyi villa that is marked 4 demolishion but some parts - mostly d parts that d gbgyi sold d 2nd time. In as much as i dnt want people 2b homeless (coz i've experienced that) bt they were cautioned right from time 2 stay off that land. I dnt fancy when people paint d governor's policies as been disastrous nt recalling dat they were warned. D able governor should look 4 a way of solving this malady such that it will not render people homeless.

The people that encroached into the poly area after settlement had been stopped since and no one complained. The issue on ground now is that the whole area has been marked and a demolition notice given. No part is spared. Every single house is affected

Marotzke:
That is where you got it wrong. Kaduna polytechnic was originally owned by Northern Nigerian government and the successors in title is Kaduna state government which have the original survey documents and evidence of payment of compensation.

Federal government recently took over the management and funding of the school. Neither the management of the polytechnic nor the federal ministry of education have any right to cede one inch of Kadpoly land without recourse to the original land owner, in this case Northern Nigerian government whose successor in title is Kaduna state government.
I still submit that aggrieved parties should pursue Gbagyi chiefs in courts for relief.

Well well. If the FG took it over, none of us are privy to the terms and agreements concerning the takeover. Perhaps, the FG now has full rights and as such, Obasanjo's land use act should apply.

Finally, people's fear is that the Government does not want to go through a court case. They just want to do a quick demolition before it all escalates. Well, I think the owners should be able to get a court injunction before the demolition notice elapses. Hopefully, the Government keeps to that

HAH:
The op should know that Kaduna polytechnic is in kaduna south local government, tudun wada where the poly is located is in kaduna south

I believe you stay in Kaduna. Anyone who stays in Kaduna would know that when I say Kaduna South, I don't mean Kaduna South local government

maskamdo:
@ O.p I remember clearly in december when I visited a friend of my who leaves in gbagyi villa around d overhead water tank/ transformer she told me d houses that were marked including hers was due to d absence of drainages around d houses & u will agree with me that almost all those beautiful houses lack proper drainages & its a nightmare during d rainy season but till this moment they have mostly refused to build drainages in front of their own houses/duplexes/mansions or whatever they have built but I do not know if of recent d govt has turned on d heat & decided to demolish d houses there which of course will be an economic catastrophe..... Constitution road comes to mind when d likes of LG showroom, farida ventures, khemsafe, nna hotels where all marked for demolition by some overzealous kasupda staff only for d governor to come out & say he didn't order the markings for demolition..... U will do well to periodically visit (kdsg.gov.ng) for informed & latest happenings in kaduna state & environs... Regards.......

All those were delay tactics by the Government. The land is flat with a gentle slope towards a stream that borders it on the left, right and on the south. As such, it has a natural drainage.
It's a new private settlement so definitely as houses are built, drainages would be made. You don't expect people to go and build gutters for other people.
If that was truly the case, do you think the residents would instead allow their houses to be demolished? They would have built all the drainages in less than a week sef.

Marotzke:
Jedisco, so you win the bet, the paramount ruler of the Gbagys have a house there, does it legalise an illegality?
A Court case, judgement extracted from a false premise, does it affect the gravamen of the matter? Did the gbagys take Kaduna state government to court or Kaduna polytechnic?
If the Gbagys took the polytechnic to court and got a judgement which the polytechnic accepted, how does that affect the state government . A second year law student will tell you that if you are joining issues with a beneficiary of a gift or an asset with out joining the benefactor, the matter is dead on arrival (DOA).

If a government whether federal or state acquires a land, pays adequate compensation, surveys it and sites a school there. It bothers on sheer lunacy for you to take the school management to court to reduce the size of the land without joining the government which is the original owner of the land. Any judgement emanating from such jankara proceedings is not worth the paper it is written on. That the polytechnic fenced off a portion of the land does not mean that free land for speculation has arrived.

Instead of you abusing El rufai for upholding his oath of allegiance, Sue the Gbagy chief for criminal misrepresentation, scout for unhindered Gbagy ancestral land for seizures and possibly reparation.
Leave wailings for wailers and stupidity for Zombies.

That's another twist to it but the issue here is that the land belongs to the FG and not the state. The FG here have settled and accepted the court's judgement. Even though I'm not a lawyer, I don't think a state government has higher authority over the land than the FG?

pedestal82:
The Op, Jedisco, in my opinion has given an unbiased History of the place. I rented a shop there and had to leave when the initial notice was given late last year.
What i find confusing is that the Polythecnic in question is federal Govt owned, what is Elrufai business with that land. It is not the state owned Polythecnic.
And i pity the pensioniers that are about to loose thier whole lifes work there.

That's what everyone is saying. The FG thru the polytechnic has settled with the Gbagyis. So what concerns El Rufai with the matter?
If the state had objections, they would have raised it up in court when the matter was in court or soon after. But not after people have put in their savings on it.

Timoleon:
well said.

beyond this though @op, ur story is not complete, i dont think the government just woke up n wished to demolish they must av given reasons why this was their best option, ur article didnt tell us why they are demolishing all u did was whip up sentiments about number of house that would av to be demolishished. u want to do justice to dis topic? let us know the outcomes of discussions held between the community and the government. otherwise, we outside kd will stil remain in d dark.

I stated facts not whip up sentiments. The Government's reason has been clear all along and that is they are insisting that it's Government land on a matter that has already been settled in court.

Of course they've been holding discussions and the Government is adamant. At first, the houses were marked, then last week, they brought demolition notice. What do you want the people to do? To continue holding endless discussions with the Government until they see bulldozers?

snthesis:
THIS IS A LEGAL DISPUTE AND THE RESIDENTS SHOULD TAKE THE STATE GOVERNMENT TO COURT

I heard they've recalled the lawyer that won the last case to take it up again. But you know how these things are.

maskamdo:
Very sorrowful but nevertheless sentimental post, u forgot to mention that as far back as 2009 or earlier people were been warned to stay clear of lands around that same GBAGYI VILLA... (KADPOLY land) Albeit d govt of the day didn't follow up & enforce its warning just like it happened @ NAFDAC layout in NARAYI, (NAFDAC testing laboratory & training school site)..... @ HAYIN DAN MANI (proposed site of MILLENIUM CITY) UNGWAR RIMI.... @ around TREASURES of d UNIVERSE behind NNPC quarters (for health reasons) due to proximity to KADUNA REFINERY.... @ d side of SHAGARI lowcost BARNAWA kaduna (shops have been built there despite warnings that pipe borne water pipes are buried around that route that supply d whole of that area up to (HIGHCOST) NARAYI , UNGWAR BORO & beyond & worse off d land around that area including d "SHAGARI LOWCOST" belongs not to d STATE GOVT but FEDERAL GOVT)..... @ KAKURI OPEN PRISON CAMP around UNGWAR SUNDAY/ TELEVISION (some people have bought & even built structures & a petrol station on land belonging to prisons services)!!!!!! @ GOVT college by GWAMNA road (d schools land have been encroached that its now hard to differentiate between d school quarters & private residence(s)!!! There are so many of such places within KADUNA METROPOLIS with indiscriminate structures popping up but for lack of time to mention them all..... Not forgetting land @ KUDENDA that was allocated for power plant (NIPP) that has been encroached too!!!!!!! & tomorrow or whenever they are served with demolition notice(s) they will scream wickedness, bigotry, religious fanaticism & all worth not when COMMON SENSE dictates u should avoid such piece(s) of land.... KASUPDA or which ever agency that gave d permit for building of structures will be d same guys that will roll in d bulldozers tomorrow...... CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!!!!!

If you think my post was sentimental, then point out the sentiments there in.
Like I said, there was an ongoing row with the Government and within this time, people steered clear. It was after the court case and even the polytechnic subsequently agreeing to the ruling by fully fencing off their portion that people began building there.
Like I stated, those that subsequently encroached the fully fenced off poly land were stopped and no one raised an alarm as they were clearly wrong

From this, it's clear that all those areas you listed are very much different from this case. This area is not obstructing any critical infrastructure and not posing any health risk. If you've visited the area you would know that these are not just maybe 50 or 100 buildings on Government land it's a whole settlement. It's just like destroying the whole Ungwan Sule part of Romi which is behind Command secondary school where the demarcations for the school is well outlined.
Why was the Government silent all this while if they were not satisfied with the court case? The polytechnic which was a federal institution in this case were well satisfied. So what's the state governments issue with it?

Marotzke:
Gbagys'(Gwari) are fond of this recurring fraud. Government will acquire land from them, pay adequate compensation which they will happily collect. Decades latter they will encroach on the same land and label it ancestral/ community land. Before you know it they will hire the services of a surveyor ,parcelate the land and start selling same at crimminally cheap prices.

I bet you, no gbagy man have any modern house in that settlement . They always alert their well to do tribesmen on the real nature of their scam.
After hoodwinking innocent people into investing their lifesavings into this phony land ,with phony titles ,they want government to alter its plans to suit their criminality.

El rufai will have none of it. He first started with his hometown of Zaria. Every house built on school land whether acquired legally or illegally, whether thirty years old or six months was pulled down. Is it now kaduna south that he will pity?

That was how the gbagys encroached on Nigerian Air Force land in Asokoro extension( current NAF valley estate). Before you knew it, they installed a chief there, who was dashing out land and selling some at very cheap prices.(in Asokoro of all areas in Abuja.)

By the time airforce bulldozers came, they started with the gbagy chief's palace. The rest as they say is history. Moral of the story : when a Gbagy chief or community offers you a ridiculously cheap land in a very promising area, look that greek horse gift inside the mouth.

Like I said, people were weary at first and steered clear during the dispute saga. It was after the court case was done with and the polytechnic fully fenced off their portion all round that the general populace started getting involved. People thought that the case was done and settled. Those who subsequently encroached into the fenced off poly land and started building were stopped and nobody raised any alarm cos everyone knew they were wrong.

Also, a good number of Gwaris live there (I personally know of two which are their personal houses). Most of the first people that bought land there were Gwaris, and people that contributed to the court case. Even a member of the immediate past state of assembly and a commissioner in the past Government have houses there. These were some of the things that encouraged people to start moving there.

Also, this is well different from those built around schools in the state. What people are saying is that why did the Government keep quiet all this while. If they continued agitating after the court case, people would have steered clear. Even if you come from the urban planning end, nothing is set in stone. what does the Government gain from throwing over a thousand families into the streets?

omenka:
Thanks for the info. This is the kind of stuff that gives one the means to form an informed opinion about an event, and not the overly emotional tantrums from bigots that populate the forum.

I think with this, the protest against the planned demolition has very good merit and it would be very irresponsible of the government not to review their decision. After all (from your info) it is not an illegal settlement/community.

El Rufai has to wield his powers with moderation.

You're welcome.
From the first picture, it's obvious that the polytechnic is virtually barren with just a few structures and fallow land. If it comes to relocation, it would be much easier to move the polytechnic out instead of the town. It's not like kd does not have ample space.

The thing is that the Government is insisting that there is no way that area would have belonged to the Gwaris and would have sat fallow between Romi and Sabo (two highly populated areas in Kaduna) for decades. But then, they should have argued that in court and not come to demolish years after loosing a case. After all, if the polytechnic was moved there as planned, no one would be having this discussion now

delpee:
So sad! Is there a cogent reason why the government wants to demolish?
Create more awareness through the media as earlier advised.

It still has to do with them insisting that the land belongs to the Government. The property owners there should speak up

DaBullIT:
I think there would be relocation / reimbursement plan


If not , I support they defend their community anyhow they deem fit

There is virtually no where he can relocate that number of people to around Kaduna town. Except if he wants to send them into the bush.
Moreover, if it was a commercial area, like some areas within town, the shop owners would just move and let him sort it out with the landlords. This area is almost totally residential and even off the express. Like I have said most of the houses are people's life's sweat.
It was someone's complaint about his family on another thread that prompted me to write this.
This is an issue that can bring about an unrest in Kaduna.

vikacydevato:
Thanks for the history class.

Lol. Thanks. Sometimes, it's necessary.

This is a brief history on the planned demolition of the sprawling settlement called Gbagyi Villa in the southern part of Kaduna city.

The area called Gbagyi Villa was formally thought to be part of the permanent site for Kaduna polytechnic. Some say that due to Kaduna politics and it being located in Kaduna South, just a few departments and the housing quarters were built there while the main campus remained in the Northern part with no plan of moving them.

The average Gwari man seeing such large amount of land lying fallow in a developed area knowing fully well that the polytechnic would never move there took it up. They got lawyers, went to court and argued that it wasn't the whole land that was given to the polytechnic and that about half still belongs to them. This story seems true because the boundaries they claimed were demarcated by 'boundary trees' which are still there.

They won the court case, and the polytechnic subsequently fenced off their portion. The land was well surveyed and planned out in plots of 100 by 50ft and as usual, such a new layout bordering the most populous area in Kaduna South (Sabon-tasha) was hot cake. At first, people were scared and it was cheap but it rapidly appreciated in value and was bought up.

Now this place is a large area and not just some houses. In fact, it's a community on its own. Worse still, most of the houses there are exquisite personal houses with few under rent. Demolition would throw alot of families (many of which are retirees) into the streets.

Currently there should be at least 1500 - 2500 well built houses there and alot more under construction.
The question is all these houses payed heavily to the state planning agency (KASUPDA) and submitted plans before building. Why is it now that the Government is waking up to put a demolition notice?

This isn't just like demolishing houses, it's like demolishing a whole community and not just any community. It's a community which very soon would be the most beautiful in Kaduna South apart from Barnawa and Narayi high cost
I heard the Sarki and the community are taking the issue to court again. Apart from that, I think they should use the media. We've seen how powerful the media can be. Get pictures and post here, on Facebook and Twitter. Get journalists to cover the story. The Governor can't go ahead with this!


Disclaimer: let me make it clear that quite a number of times, I support the demolition of structures especially when they constitute a nuisance. That of Gbagyi Villa however is different. It's not just houses. It's a whole settlement with thousands of buildings- a lot being people's life's sweat. Moreover, it doesn't constitute any nuisance and not sitting on any critical infrastructure. It's a well planned area. As a matter of fact, if every area in Kaduna was as well planned as it, Kd would be much more better than it is today. So why demolish a whole town??

Below are satellite images of the area from Google maps
The first shows the polytechnic (highlighted in blue) and the area (in red). The second and third are closer views of the area to appreciate the housing denity. It's bounded below by a river (the greenish line)

He should tone down on the demolition