₦airaland Forum

hustla:
Thanks boss.

Yes boss. I'm not affected for now.. Our Ogas can decided to change it tomorrow though

Thankfully... Forget all the shenanigans, the UK would chase you when they need you. Na to find those pressure points.

Please do work to the top and avail yourself options even if it means using your two yrs.
Sounds like you're young-ish and the right demography. Options could include Canada, Aus and U.S. The later is handing out PR like water to folks with needed skills. Knew someone working in Amazon her earning £80k ish.. moved to Canada (same Amazon) and was a good difference.

DrAkpamudehe:
When black man go get sense? Curses don't work, dude. Grow up

You dey mind the lunatic. He's here spewing 'third world.'
Ask him why his forefathers didn't use similar statements to cripple colonial invaders and propel themselves to the top.

APOPTOSIS:
[s]You will remain a disgrace forever.
You will remain indebted forever.
Nigeria shall keep you in penury forever.
And you will never escape Nigeria.
You will remain beneath me forever.
None of your seeds shall ever rise against my pets.
So shall you remain!

You think na only you sabi curse...or get monopoly?
You are the first to get a curse from me online in decades and so shall it be. Libations poured!
Because we allow most of you to type rubbish here abi.
In Fact as it stands, I'm wealthier than the wealthiest in your community, so I don't know how you will catch up with me. It may take centuries 2 catch up with my pets.[/s]

Trash from a man who thinks he's 'third world'. That you think the nonsense you wrote works shows the size of your brain.

APOPTOSIS:
When you import THIRD WORLD into a First world, you gradually saturate the First world with Third world and eventually convert the First world into a Third World.

Obvious First World is fast becoming a Third World.
Let's expect more of this from the UK. It can only get worse. The zooish have relocated in dia numbers.
Very soon dump sites will take over the streets of the United Kingdom

You are a disgrace who lacks every iota of self worth.
For centuries, man has practiced religion.

hustla:
In other unrelated news, I finally completed my Msc Cybersecurity with Distinction

You all can come and chop jollof rice in June abi July

Bills on Lexusgs430

Big congrats!

You mentioned somewhere that the new immigration rules shouldn't affect current graduates. Hope you're included?

Acidosis:
Interesting question. I'm wondering what the FG/CBN intends to do with the trillions of Naira though.

Although I don't agree that mopping up Naira through FDs or bonds can curb inflation in a country like Nigeria, I get the whole textbook justification for mopping up funds. But, I'm just wondering what would be done with this cash.

Sometime in 2022, The Cable reported in a caption that "FG to repay N20trn 'Ways and Means' loans with treasury bills." During the same regime, FG also reported using TBs for infrastructure.

Good question. It's becoming obvious that most of these monies are just numbers of a computer.

Just like in 2017 ish, the increased rate should buy them time though- the activity on this thread is a testament. It serves as a plaster buying then 1-2 yrs to adress the underlying issues which are the actual drivers of inflation. The main question is what happens when these fresh monies are released in 1-2 yrs. If inflation is not under control by that time, then the new money would only fuel further devaluation.

Lexusgs430:
What would you rather do........ Treat them the same way federal government is treating boko haram, bandits & unknown gunmen..........

It's a very difficult situation, hamas should start by handing over all those they kidnapped......

We need Egypt to lead the mediation team
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Are you suggesting the Nigerian government does to northern Nigeria what Israel has done in Gaza?

The conflating issue here is equating over 1 million Palestinians in Gaza to hamas. That way, a genocide could be visited on them and still be excused.

Secondly, trying to address decades long conflict based on a single recent event. The unspoken consensus in the West is that the only path to future sustainable peace in Gaza is independence- something Isreal is radically opposed to. Trying to box 1.7 million people into perpertual subjugation would only breed more hate.

Lexusgs430:


Unfortunately, they are all complicit in the crimes committed....... .......

Given you believe this, should they all be killed?

[quote author=Zahra29 post=128916380][/quote]No need going adhominem.
This is hardly about my take on the care sector which has always been consistent. British taxes should pay for British care. If we need to rely on external workforce, they should be appreciated. Rather than use the care route as another form of modern slavery, it should be scrapped. If that means income tax goes up 75% or council taxes has to increase by 10% annually to pay for the ever balooning adult social care, so be it.

The new rules only instutionalise that exploitation. For decades the sector has been supported by migrant labour. It has only just come to the fore thanks to Brexit.
Finally, after 5 years of hard work on minimum wage with no family, they'd still become Brits and see that they've contributed more to the economy in 5 yrs than some of the folks they were waiting on did.

hustla:
Well, focus is truly the elections.. I think they'll still win anyways.

I'm also do think they'll likely increase the years required to get ILR (which will backfire).

Remains to be seen if the policies they have changed Will be reverted but i doubt though given that the public will see them as unreliable and not to be trusted

Time will tell

Don't be so sure. Suella had whispered it and her minions said afterall, the US...

All they need do is latch on to a case of extremist violence, ramp up anti-muslim rhetoric and bring it as the solution. They'd say it'd encourage integration and ensure only those who have imbibed 'British values' are allowed to stay. Folks would cheer afterall they made their decision while feeding on salary increase funded by immigration fees.

missjekyll:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/12/overseas-students-undermining-uk-higher-education-warns-cleverly


It seems Mr Rohypnol is not done with us yet. 😕. He ll flog this dead horse until it rots completely. However, for each stroke his party ll drop 2 points in the polls. I so decree

Hehe...

The UK utopia is to have 200k masters students on an mill handing them 20k and being returned after 2 years to make room for a new set. Aside the English speaking benefits it gives the Chinese (a dwindling number), a UK masters to most other cohorts is only valued on the access to immigration it gives.

They've played this game before and it backfired. They're now looking to see how much they can squeeze while retaining numbers. Good thing masters students are not waiting to be shafted over and are already voting with their legs.

Zahra29:
Sinister in what way? Strict perhaps, but also justifiable unless you expect the government to continue to turn a blind eye to unsustainable levels of migration coupled with rampant immigration abuse in certain sectors.

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The government here is not worried about ending abuse but rather restricting who perpetrates the abuse to themselves and also appearing tough on immigration as a last ditch attempt at the next election. Reports of rampant abuse have been in the media for years yet they looked on until numbers balooned.

Why was the salary treshold for care workers retained at an abysmal 20k when the wider treshold was increased?

Why have they made carers the only immigrant group who would be unable to bring family over hence restricting their right to family life?

All this ensures the government pays the least for social care by ensuring a streamlined supply of poorly paid care workers. This still does nothing to adress the abuse everyday care workers face- something that'd be sorted by higher pay

Ultimately, even the COS for even the new roles would still be sold on the black market.

deept:
Mehn!!!! We need to watch our health and try to be financially literate so we don't need to depend on the govt and care when we get older. I'm guessing a lot of us here are 'youngish' and we should start planning for retirement not getting the high paying jobs but how to keep as much of our money as we can and make more.

I'm thinking a life in the UK- money thread will be good

True...

Given the associated cost and restrictions of being an immigrant, it would be difficult for many to fully benefit from tools like ISAs and SIPPs to build long-term wealth. Moreso as investments do the best when started early and given time to compound. But OTOH, over time, many immigrant communities have been able to do so much with so little.

hustla:
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The good thing though is that the £38K thing does not affect those who have just graduated but I see a sizable number of Nigerian students leaving the UK (a lot have left already or are planning to leave) as most of the policies are downright sinister and meant to restrict your upwards mobility.

That is exactly why I am always against the care thing or staying too long in it, as I see it as a carefully crafted way to push you into being lower class all your life, which will likely affect your kids too unless careful planning is put in place. Long hours away from family, low pay, and interactions with mostly low-class white people who are all out to drag you to their level, eventually it gets to you and your kids by extension.

I expect things to free up a bit within 1 yr and changes to be made, maybe a bit more stability

Ultimately, macroeconomics policies play a much more significant role in attainment than individual grit e.t.c.
Finally, those who remain would still become Brits and have all the welfare options available. They also have their mental health to look after, can go on professional longterm sick and with little wealth might ultimately need to depend on the state in old age.

Wouldn't surprise me the next move would be to increase ILR time to 10 years - milk the cow. More folks paying visa fees e.t.c


So far, we've not seen any forward planning from the government. Just knee-jerk reactions when quarterly migration data is released. Only severe shortages e.g HGV drivers or systemic issues e.g with universities would force their hand. Right now, focus is the lost election.

Goodenoch:
This has nothing to do with Nigerian immigrants, and you should react very strongly to anyone who attempts to make it look like it does.

What's the responsibility of the community of Nigerians in the UK with what this one man did? Is there not a huge amount of domestic violence in the UK by all sorts of people from all countries?

I'm all for taking responsibility to fix up as a community where necessary but this one man and his madness is his personal problem and no justification for anyone to give Nigerians a bad name.

Thanks for this.

It's thesame focus about how the media shapes our subconscious that I alluded to while back which ultimately erodes our self-esteem
Why are we not making posts of the overwhelming majority of Nigerians that are not beating their wives... Are those not a positive influence?

Of all the atrocities the British empire commited worldwide, I dont see everyday Brits walking around with a sense of guilt.

ehizario2012:
He is Nigerian, that's a fact that cannot be denied. His action has not added value to us, and we must condemn it....

Why do you feel the need to condemn the misdemeanor of every Nigerian in the UK?

Ultimately, despite all the brouhaha and preaching, asides any major upheaval, it seems it's those who rather than go for masters used part of that money to source a care visa that would come out better off.

Yes a few might be burnt and stranded, some others might have their COS revoked but many more have simmered thru into more dependable sponsors and counting 1-2 yrs. Masters folks OTOH would be gearing up to face reality

hustla:
@jedisco

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I know there will be cries about shortages within 1 yr though.

Make we dey observe

There are many caveats but its difficult to say how things would pan out.

Though the new rules might be duly unjust to incoming care workers, but from a UK perspective, the government seems to have clinched it as it unduly benefits the UK economy.

There is now a limitless supply of tax-paying cheap care labour who have no access to public funds and no dependents. Folks coming in thru this pathway are pretty stuck with limited mobility as not many roles would pay the 38k to sponsor family. With time, it'd tend to be young single folks coming over which is what the economy wants as they have a lifetime to work. These folks wouldn't be able to bring their mates from home so expect more single ladies and men loitering. The downside is that folks keen on migrating would rather just pay for a care visa than face the uncertainty of masters route. Ultimately, locals would start complaining on how immigrants in the UK are not as high achieving as elsewhere while forgetting the bottlenecks they face. Another is that healthcare exposes one to the entitlement of the British populace. With time, dem too go sabi.

Many masters students OTOH are pretty much shafted as a good number came with family and jobs paying 38k are not very easy to come by. For many, it's either they go into care (meaning part of the family returns home) or they start looking elsewhere e.g Canada

Ojemedad:
For now I use other exchange for p2p them move to Binance

What exchanges still offer p2p in naira?

lavida001:
Bold of Rishi to think this people want to work.

Alot of lazy folks have hidden under the bandwagon of immigration/Brexit to milk the system and hapless immigrants. Currently 2.8 million on longterm sick. Ultimately the most effective way to reduce that number is to make work pay. All the talk about NHS wait lists are additional.

Reason why I wanted the care visa to end so eye go clear everybody. One told me over the weekend that she'd rather flip burgers at Macdonalds than be paid minimum wage for a care role. (I have rephrased her words nicely).

Council recently sent me a letter informing me council tax is going up by 12%. i.e I'm now to pay 2.4k+ a year. Guess the main driver? Adult social care which is also the story for many other councils. Annoyingly, e go still increase next year as many folks and their nans want carers four times a day plus supported living not including those seeking free council house e.t.c all paid for by others peoples taxes. These same folks would still say its tax paying immigrants looting the system.

I hope when time reaches for tax paying immigrants to benefit from same adult social care, there wouldn't be calls saying these new group of Brits were not born here.

hustla:
Very sad / interesting read smh

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/baby-scan-clinic-humiliated-degraded-28765633

Harrowing story for me.

I'm glad she found the strength and right support to help her thru. Not group of folks repeating 'afterall, Nigeria is not any better' or 'she knew what she was going into'

lightofjoy:
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Along the line, an agent from an online jobsite categorically call me and told me that since I don't have UK experience, I should come down on my salary expectation and come to something like 35K or 40K but with my 16 years professional experiences and my experience in my last job in Nigeria, I was determined to go for the best. Also, from this forum, there were advices by some of our people that said you should go for the salary range you want and someone even said here that don't apply for salary range you don't want. Before I forget, I graduated with distinction when my result came out in February (All Glory to God). All these encourage me to go for what I want, I was applying for as many as I could in my desired salary range and later within the last two weeks of interview I got a job of over 60K with hybrid working and a lot of benefits.
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Kudos.. happy the grit and grind paid off. Na this kind story dey sweet.
No apologies aiming for the top. We are not neant to scrape the bottom.

Ojemedad:
My technique, I’m playing futures 3x (though risky but to maximize profit,) but holding for the next 6-12 months. I’m hodling #alice and #lunc and #sand

Still a traditional approach.
25-35% in betece. Would look to rotate to eith when the time comes.

Regarding alyts, I'm more in established ones... sol, avax, bnb, ada... some shib nd doge...
Hoping on a pullback to scoop up alyts.

BTW, what are the p2p options available?

Ojemedad:
Baba we need you here abeg , stay with us

My brother... long time...

Mk we enjoy this phase... what's your technique and what are you holding?

Gerrard59:
In the future, countries will have to make do with whatever population they have as the need to constantly increase the population isn't sustainable as birth rates plunge across countries of varying development levels. Apart from Africa and South Asia, most countries have TFRs below 2.1.

True but that would also lead to a systematic change moreso with capitalism which no nation seems ready for.

Automation and tech has helped reduce the need for workers but ultimately, machines do not consume, and unlikely to fill certain roles.

Most western nations and corporations have repeatedly shown they'd choose immigration over low growth. This reality would slowly dawn on the populace in the coming decades.

The Japan stock market has hardly grown in 30yrs. Houses there today are cheaper than they were 30years ago. Their yearly population decline is rapidly increasing- was over 800,000 last year. They've had to literally force the nation to spend racking up high debts with the highest GDP to debt ratio (over 200%) among the developed world. They are now scampering, looking for humans. How many UK boomers would want to see same? How many genZ would want to work into their 70s?

For many nations, immigration is hardly a choice- its a necessity.

Mazinewmoney:
Where is Jedisco

My brother I dey... opportunities abound.. quite focused..

One main thing I noticed it that many alts made a higher low during the last bear market... higher high comes soon hopefully

Gerrard59:
Sorry to interrupt, but when developed countries wish to increase their birth rates, they don't mean people like us o. They mean "their own people". So, while the rate might increase, they are not completely happy about the people who constitute that increment.

The point here is that except children start being made and parented in labs, they hardly get to choose at least not in the way they hope to. With the care sector post-Brexit, the choice for the UK was either to ratchet up taxes and device ways for Boomers to give back their wealth to pay for British care or look for cheap labour abroad. The choice was hurriedly the later. The end result is now causing moans.

Many western nations are sitting on a demographic landmine which is becoming more obvious as years role by. Due to this, Germany opened its doors to millions of refuges. Canada only recently streamlined the pathway for many folks. The only nation that has largely stuck to its guns is Japan and even they are now increasingly looking out. Yes, they all rightly want to preselect those who come.
There are thousands of Africans naturalized in the UK. I wonder how many came via a lottery or 'diversity visa'. We are largely here cos someone sat and illustrated to the government that the UK would benefit more from us being in than being out hence whatever visa pathway we used.

Zahra29:
It's not innuendo, it has been stated numerous times by the government and I'm sure they have access to data points and not just anecdotes:

https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/02/01/reducing-net-migration-factsheet-december-2023/

Surely some dependants work – so by banning them you are reducing the amount of working people coming to the UK?   

We estimate that only around 25% of dependants work when they come to the UK.
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Estimates are estimates... not data points and multiple estimates by government bodies based on concrete data have been well off the mark recently (inflation rate, housing crash, BOE rate rise e.t.c). This is even worse off given that it's driven by a political narrative and flies in the face of reality.

Years back, we heard stories of how visitors were bankrupting the NHS and estimates of huge sums that could be saved which forced many Trusts (against common sense) to set up a desk for this purpose. Within a few months it became evident that whatever money being saved couldn't even pay for the person manning the desk. With Brexit, we heard estimates of how the UK would be awash with cash. Hehe... Even core data points need alot of work to interpret more so estimates which are politically driven.

It's good you paint a picture of some married masters students struggling to meet up. So you really think such a family would have an adult member who can work sitting at home all day when their stay is on the brink due to low funds? Why did many masters students come with their spouse in the first place? Lastly, the word dependent is not just limited to international students

umarwy:
The 80% of dependant that don't work mostly can't because they are kids

Careful with all these innuendos being thrown around. I'm yet to see any publication stating 80% of dependants are economically inactive. The reverse tends to be the case. If a Brit with access to public funds can barely survive on entry wages, how then does a family with visa fees do same on one income?

Look around, there are plenty masters students who came with their spouse. It's the income from their spouse that sorts their fees. Moreso given their spouse has no work limitation. Many even left kids back home until they are settled. Many times, dependants work harder than their sponsored other. Recently, a lady shared here how her dependant spouse did same and within a few years, they had a home.

Regarding children, thats a moot point. Every western nation sorely needs kids as birthrate has remained below replacement level. It is those naturalized kids that'd be the Sunaks of tomorrow helping to offset the rising wage costs of the elderly which is the burden their parents are shouldering today.

Zahra29:
Erm the bolded is a bit hyperbolic isn't it ? For starters, unless the nurse was not born in Nigeria, it is a statement of fact. Secondly this fact wasn't emblazoned in their headline, accompanied by any derogation, it was simply mentioned in the middle of the article.

My first post adressed this: 'It's not about whether those statements are true or false but what they dubiously set out to achieve'. That's why its called microagrression. It's hardly ever in your face but mainly in incidents and patterns that leave you wondering if you'd have been treated differently if you were white. Another example is captured below.

Zahra29:
The dependant ban will not be lifted anytime soon.... the state has estimated that 80% of dependants do not work and are a net beneficiary of the state.

It's for them to decide (likely post-election). If its another knee jerk reaction, it'd be back to chasing tails after a few years. Someone needs to sit and make forward thinking and realistic plans.
BTW, mind sharing your source for the bolded claim? It's largely at variance to what I see around me.

hustla:
Their public sabi anything other than to complain and moan and bar hop?

It'd take a while for whatever is going on in that sector to settle. This is an election year and the anti-imigrant narrative is the lowest hanging fruit for the Tories and they've thrown everything at it. They should see the tightening through to the election at least.

OTOH, the universities are strong at lobbying and would push thru facts moreso with their cash cow (i.e international students) being muzzled while fees for local students have been capped since 2016. Interestingly 'international students account for one in every five pounds in income received by UK universities'.

Zahra29:
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So while we speak out against racism in the UK,whether real or perceived, let's also be introspective and speak out loudly against any form of discrimination among your own people.

This is classic whataboutism.

The issue of discuss here is an article exemplifying how some sections of the British media use certain innuendos to spur up hate against immigrant groups.

The general issue of human discrimination can always be discussed INB and not dragged in to cast a shadow on this specific issue.

ositadima1:
I am not saying that alleged siphoning and laundering by politicians is not contributing. I think it is more that money that should have provided an enabling environment for domestic industrialization to thrive is being diverted to private pockets.

When I mean loot, I dont just mean laundering abroad. I'm referring to the initial recipients of the CBN largesse who have taken us for a ride

Let delve deep. From inception of the naira to 2015, we had 21 trillion in circulation. Between 2015 and 2023, Buhari + Emefiele printed over 70 trillion. What did they use it for?

You talk about productivity and I agree it's a major factor. But increase in productivity as we've seen in UAE and China are the result of concrete steps. What are the top 10 items we spend forex on? Are we saying that even 10 trillion if well utilised cannot build domestic sufficiency in a number of those?