While you are entitled to your extremely limited opinion, the movie is much more than what you have described it to be. It is fictionalizing of hidden but very advanced facts about our reality.

Martian:

don't give too much credence to this movie. It was just a technologically advanced take on the allegory of the cave with awesome scenery. My opinion of course.

Thanks for the heads up.

Martian:

Yes, the new Hollywood offering is called Prometheus. Go watch that one too and get some more inspiration to put in your "data collection".
And also, James Cameron just came back from the mariana trench so be prepared to be insipred about the "real" nature of reality when he makes the next Avatar and uses the mariana trecnch as an influence.

Fiction is a very effective way of letting out data that would normally be rejected if presented as facts simply because us humans aren't ready yet for such data, so they let out the data via FICTION to get us slowly acquainted. They've been doing that for over a century now.

logicboy:


We can agree on some parts. The matrix is a possiblity, no doubt. However, it is only science fiction.

That film is a very accurate analogy of how this existence we live in really works, if you don't know. Remember that this reality has no solidity. Your body has no solidity, for that matter.

logicboy:

Stop watching the matrix

Right now, you think that i am talking nonsense because you and martian are lagging behind in your knowledge of what is going on in the scientific world. But don't worry, in due time both of you will soon catch up.

logicboy:


Thank you. Jenwitemi is clearly talking nonsense

Well since we are in the simulation, there is no way of knowing the operator, is there? When you leave the simulator(via death), then you will know who the operator is. Reptilians and other ancient aliens are also part of the simulation, btw.
It is a good one coming from someone who gets his information and education from the mainstream media to be calling me an ignorant buffoon.

Martian:

lmao, this ignorant buffoon is at it again. Who is operating the 3D virtual simulation? The f#cking reptilians or the ancient aliens who built the pyramids? Is your awareness of the "programmed, holographic 3D virtual simulation part of the simulation??

As a christian yourself, i'd expect you to think that since you've been pumped full with christian dogmatic bollocks all your life. Anything outside the trash you hear from the pulpit weekly will always sound like bollocks to you. They don't call it "indoctrination" for nothing.

Image123: talking philosophical bollocks with reckless swag, that's jenwit for you o

I am not missing any point here, my friend. I am quite aware of what your "points" are.

My judgement of your bible god(not my god, because i believe in a creator myself) is based on universal standards to which your god is also subjected. I know who your bible god is and he has the morality of a psychopath. This is according to what the bible OT chronicled about him. He was a completely deranged deity gone totally berserk. Only mentally sick folks base their morality on such an evil deity.

Now, i believe in a creator God myself, as i earlier stated, but IT is nothing like this barbaric and brutal jewish deity you worship. Your jewish bible god is a fake GOD and, thus, deserves neither respect nor reverence from us since he is no better than us morally.

Mr_Anony:
You are missing the point. The reason you are arguing like this is because you are judging God based on your own standards. You need to understand who God is before you can judge His morality.

I was offended because you were making stupid analogies. If you want to use analogies, then use more accurate ones to make your point.

Mr_Anony:
Notice how offended you are because I have tried to compare human beings to robot toys and chickens? This is because you believe that they are way beneath you that they shouldn't matter at all.

Well, it depends on which "GOD" you are talking about, bro. If it is that butcher in the OT bible that you refer to as "GOD", then you are very very wrong, my friend. That deity is a local god of the jewish people and there it ends. The universal creator GOD is infinitely superior to him in every way possible. That is something that you have to understand. The jewish bible deity is a fake "GOD". He does not have the qualities that are anywhere near close enough to being the universal CREATOR. The bible god is way way way too flawed to be CREATOR GOD. His level is that of other african gods and that level is only slightly higher than that of humans. THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO GRASP.

Mr_Anony:
The Gap between God and you is far more immense than the gap between you and your robot toys or your chicken. This is the first thing you need to understand. Just like a chicken is in no position to judge your morality, so are you in no position to judge God's morality

Stalin was evil, no doubt, but he suffered from the sickness that is very present in religion, THE EGO. The ego in man is the source of all evil. Whether one is religious or atheist makes no difference. We all suffer under the influence the ego at different levels.

Uyi Iredia:

My comment above should put paid to such childish notions. The actions of the 'Stalinists' should have put paid to the idea that atheism (or irreligion) is devoid of violence.

Man, what the hell are you posting? Are you this daft? How can you compare sentient beings like we humans with tiny little robots that run on batteries? Are human beings mechanical robots that run on batteries? What is the matter with you? You need to leave that your religion, dude, because it has done bad things to your grey matter. You seem not able to think properly.

Mr_Anony:

Ok, If you built some little tiny robot toys with batteries and some of them started malfunctioning. Are you a tyrant for removing the batteries from your malfunctioning toys? If you throw your malfunctioning toys into the thrash does that make you a tyrant also?

There you go again with your daft thinking. Are human beings "food" for your god? Is that what you are trying to imply?

Mr_Anony:

Scientists who partake in stem-cell research are tyrants? I.e. They grow animals in the lab for meat. Is it absolute evil when you kill a chicken for meat or rear chickens so that you can kill them and take their young eggs away from them?

Not true. And the arrogance is from your side. Tyranny is tyranny, my friend, no matter who is perpetrating it, human being or a god.

Mr_Anony:

Tyranny my friend can only exist amongst equals.
The reason why you can say a leader is a tyrant is because "he is a man like you, what gives him the right to treat you thus?"

In this case it is not a man like you. It is your creator, It is pure arrogance on your part.

Yes, i have the right to judge him if he sees himself as the pinnacle of anything and everything that is good, just and moral. That is a claim that he will have to live up to if he wants human beings to take him seriously by using him as a moral muster for living our daily lives. Something he seems completely unable to achieve.

Mr_Anony:

Unless you are God too yourself you don't have the right to judge Him. As tough as it sounds, that is what it is.

A being that has the morality of a psychopath cannot be greater than a human being. He only has this status in the minds of unsane religious folks like you who worship his ass.

Mr_Anony:
You cannot judge the morality of a being that is not only far greater than you but also brought you to be.

The freedom of choice to either worship him or burn in hell is the absolute definition of a celestial tyrant. You need exposure, my friend. The religious canker worm has eaten deep into your soul.

Mr_Anony:
The fact that you have free will at all (i.e. he even allows you to choose to glorify Him or not) proves He is not a tyrant

Man, what the hell are you posting? Are you this daft? How can you compare sentient beings like we humans with tiny little robots that run on batteries? Are human beings mechanical robots that run on batteries? What is the matter with you? You need to leave that your religion, dude, because it has done bad things to your grey matter. You seem not able to think properly.

Mr_Anony:

Ok, If you built some little tiny robot toys with batteries and some of them started malfunctioning. Are you a tyrant for removing the batteries from your malfunctioning toys? If you throw your malfunctioning toys into the thrash does that make you a tyrant also?

There you go again with your daft thinking. Are human beings "food" for your god? Is that what you are trying to imply?

Mr_Anony:

Scientists who partake in stem-cell research are tyrants? I.e. They grow animals in the lab for meat. Is it absolute evil when you kill a chicken for meat or rear chickens so that you can kill them and take their young eggs away from them?

Not true. And the arrogance is from your side. Tyranny is tyranny, my friend, no matter who is perpetrating it, human being or a god.

Mr_Anony:

Tyranny my friend can only exist amongst equals.
The reason why you can say a leader is a tyrant is because "he is a man like you, what gives him the right to treat you thus?"

In this case it is not a man like you. It is your creator, It is pure arrogance on your part.

Yes, i have the right to judge him if he sees himself as the pinnacle of anything and everything that is good, just and moral. That is a claim that he will have to live up to if he wants human beings to take him seriously by using him as a moral muster for living our daily lives. Something he seems completely unable to achieve.

Mr_Anony:

Unless you are God too yourself you don't have the right to judge Him. As tough as it sounds, that is what it is.

A being that has the morality of a psychopath cannot be greater than a human being. He only has this status in the minds of unsane religious folks like you who worship his ass.

Mr_Anony:
You cannot judge the morality of a being that is not only far greater than you but also brought you to be.

The freedom of choice to either worship him or burn in hell is the absolute definition of a celestial tyrant. You need exposure, my friend. The religious canker worm has eaten deep into your soul.

Mr_Anony:
The fact that you have free will at all (i.e. he even allows you to choose to glorify Him or not) proves He is not a tyrant

My view has nothing to do with arrogance, my atheist friend. And i am not the one who is refusing to admit that i'm wrong. If you truly believe that scientists actually believe that this universe and all in it just happened by chance, then you have really been suckered, made a complete fool of.

The truth is, atheist bro, is that real scientists do not believe that at all. Majority of them have already accepted the inevitable that this universe was intelligently created but they don't know by whom. They are now in the process of finding out the HOW of the creation. And the latest consensus is that we are living in a programmed, holographic 3D virtual simulation. That's where they are, at the moment.

logicboy:


Thanks, you just called scientists, legislators and teachers in America idiots because of your arrogance and unwillingness to admit that you are wrong.

-Not every law is based on tyranny, dude. Most laws made by human beings have responsible and humane basis that were made for the benefit of humankind and this basis very clear to see in every law. Your support for celestial tyranny has completely dulled your reasoning faculties so much that you even think that the opposite of tyranny is anarchy! Would you love to live in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran?

- Yes, but as long as that thing man creates is not a sentient living being.

- The Creator also has a certain responsibility to his creations because without them he has no existence himself. Therefore, he has no right to allow himself to do with them as he is pleased. That would be tyranny and anarchy, bro. Unless your god is not a responsible and just deity. If that is the case, then why would you need a devil then? Your tyrant god does all the evil, anyway, because he is god. This is a very dangerous and absolutely evil way of thinking.

- Letters are not living things, my idiot friend. While you can easily erase a written letter because it has no life, a creator of living beings should show more responsibility them. Something you are abdicating your god of. Absolute evil, is what you are advocating for here. In this case, you are no different or better than the fundamental islamist terrorist who kills the innocents without any remorse because he thinks exactly the way you do.

Mr_Anony:

If that is your description of tyranny, then every law whatsoever is a tyrannical law and the opposite of tyranny for you will have to be anarchy.
Besides I believe that if a man creates something, he has every right to impose whatever law on it he deems fit. The creator has the final say. The creation has no such rights.
If you write a letter and you erase it, are you tyrannical to the words you created?
Tyranny can only exist amongst equals.

He does not have to take away what is not there to begin with, bro. If all the choices that exist in a place are just TWO in number, then there is no free will to talk about. Giving angels two choices to either do his will or go against it and then get incarcerated is no free will offer, dude. That is really just ONE single choice offer to choose from. The very same method a tyrant monarch would employ on his subjects.

Mr_Anony:
If God was truly a tyrant as you claim, All he had to do was take away free will. But He did not.

More dogs' blood to OGUN LAKAAYE's elbow.

All praise THOR, the mighty god of thunder and the brother of SANGO who is also a mighty god of thunder.

Big quote, dude.

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He is forked up, then. Why should anyone even give notice to such a maniac talk less of worshiping him? He is a psychopath that deserves no human attention whatsoever. Lord my ass.

buzugee: Yezzur. He gives life and takes life. no one else do that. he do it all Chief. Or he just allows it to happen. so he can bring it or allow it to happen ( proverbs 16 vs 4 )

It is only because of the idiocy of the morons on both sides of the divide that there had to be a court case to begin with. Get it?

logicboy:


Only idiots? The states that dint teach evolution until court cases were won nko? You just sound ignorant.

Thanks for this, Seun. Really love it. That is the ONE message that we all need. By WE, i mean the entire human race.

Very true, olaadegbu. Human beings should separate themselves from this evil and unclean bible deity NOW and FOREVER. That is the best and only solution for mankind's misery.

Now, that's more like it, olaadegbu! Honesty for a change. Show your true color and support your local tyrant and accept him for what he really is and stop trying to sugarcoat his evil bum.

OLAADEGBU:

You haven't seen anything yet. God's wrath didn't end in the OT you can read it in the NT. You need to know that God has already pronounced the death sentence on everyone because we have broken God's Law. Each and everyone of us is on the death row, if you know what I mean.

We already are very familiar with this mythical legend so why rehash it all again? Was that necessary? Just answer the question, simple. Brevity is always king.

BTW, answer one simple question for me, how did Luke get corrupted in a place like heaven where supposedly no corruption can be possible? Is heaven a corrupted place? If it is, then this god himself has to be corrupted as well, no? Was Luke fighting against the corruption of his boss? Did he see his boss as a tyrant and he was trying to dethrone him to make HEAVEN a better place. Was HEAVEN a kingdom ruled by a tyrant god? Looks like it to me.

If some of the other angels joined up with Luke to rebel against who they perceive as a tyrant boss, then HEAVEN must have been a pretty forked up place at the time, politically. No wonder this planet is under the same political tyranny heaven was at the time and probably still is, and therefore just as screwed. I believe we humans should rebel against both of them and send them to a remote corner of the universe to battle out their "political differences". Luke and his boss, that is.

Princewell2012: You see this question was ask out of curiousity and worried, but let me answer the question their is a man called lucifer, and this man was an engel of God, he also partook in the creation of this world and God did not hide anything from him, just like a president and his vice, both of them have become one and they do everything in comon, one day a war broke out in heaven angel micheal and angel gabrieal and angel lucifer they are the three comanding officers in heaven eace of them with their own batalion and lucifer is the chiefest among them, there was a coup plot in heaven about leadership, which finnaly turn out to be a mighty war finally angel micheal and his troup won the war which desplaces lucifer and his batalion who are now a wounded soldiers , out from the heavenly government and his rank was removed. The name of his rank was lucifer, which means the king of musician and the head commander, he is after God, and that name was replace as satan. The war is not yet over, that is why hell was created, which means a place of torment. Now there are two type of seed in this world, a serpent seed and the seed of adam. And this seed shall be in enimity with each other.time may not permit me to explain that better, now remember that this spirit being they have power to their own detriment to do what ever they wanted to do, note this, the chidren of God cannot go to hell and jesus also come on this earth because of his children, to deliver then from the power of hell. The hell belong to satan and his children but the devil is angry and wanted to draw the children of God to hell, that is why he is accusing them every day, thank God for Jesus who come to deliver us from the grip of satan. The bible says he will brouise your head and you will bite her heel and your children and her children shall be an Enmity with each other. Genesis 3: 15 note this again the devil and his children will never go to heaven no matter how hard they try, because its not their home any longer so my brother if you see anybody weeping and gnashing their teeth in hell plesse do not pity them, that is their domain do you believe that a children of God can pick up a little boy of 1 month old, and put him in a motter and pound him to powder, despite the cry of that little boy? If you believe that a child of God can do that I wii never believe that, so it is only the children of the devil who have the mind to do such thing. Do you know that the children of satan can also be in the church, so because somebody is in the church does not make him a child of God or because somebody is reading a bible does not mean he is a child of God satan also do all this things, and that is why a lot of people are confuse. It is not every church you see that is a church of God, Jesus said upon this rock I will bulld my church, now note that word, my church, so, please don't be deceive it is not every church that belong to Jesue, fotget about that phrase Jesus is Lord they wrote on their sign boards, the devil has tried every means for people to believe. That there is no God. They misinterprete the bible even rewrite the bible on their own ways all this is to put people into confussion, and draw them to hell. But thank God for giving me knowledge to know the truth. They are the one's causing plane crash and accident, doing all sorts of atrocity because they needed blood in their kingdom, ofcuss their kingdom is in this world but the kingdom of Jesus and his children are in heaven. If you never know this you have made a great mistake this is the question now, are you a children of God the supreme suler or a child of the devil who is also a ruler in his own eastate, the answer is yours. By their fruit you shall know them. Then hell belong to the devil and his children no more no less. Ok there is no question that is too bad that's depend on ones ability and capability so if you don't know it, you don't know it, you cannot comdem anybody for asking a question there is God and there is lucifer who is now known as satan both of them are rulling his own people ,and at the end we shall know who is the real God.

Glory glory to the names of Kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl.

All praise to Shango the mighty god of thunder.

Your jewish god was a barbaric butcher. Full stop. Even the ancient Israelites had no respect and love for his sorry bum. They were always turning to another deity the moment his prophet, Moses, left them for a while. They found out that their god was an evil, human hardened deity.

Your trying to make excuses for this evil jewish deity for all the evil he did on the bible pages is totally insane and pathetic. You might as well be making excuses for the devil himself. Your god is evil, bro. Accept it and give it a rest.

Where did you get the idea that they could read and write? In the gospels? Can you show me where it is written? Fishermen didn't read and write in those days. Where is your head?

Joel.:
Area boy. What i mean by educated. Is that they were reasonable and can read and write

What is pseudoscience and what is "proper" science? Who decides what is what?

My point here is that creation itself and evolution are two sides of the same coin so there is no issue there to debate. Whatever is created, also evolves. Simple. The biblical version of creation does not represent the concept of creation itself.

Only idiots and morons on both sides who can't see outside their narrow perspectives waste all their lives on this foolish debates that are totally unnecessary.

logicboy:


Non issues? Do you realise how much taxpayers' money has gone into litigation because of teaching evolution in schools? Or how many children are being taugth pseudoscience instead of proper facts?

Evolution and creationism are contradictory to one another. End of story.

The "conflict" between the two is bogus. The so-called conflict is artificially manufactured by insidious social engineers to keep idiots on both sides at each other's throat wasting all their entire lives arguing over non-issues like creationism vs evolution.

Nkonadi: You will agree there are conflicts and occasional agreements in "truth" between science and religion. The following two quotations indicate the range of beliefs about the conflict and/or harmony between science and religion:

"There can never be a conflict between true science and true religion, because they both describe reality." - Anon.

"Science is almost totally incompatible with religion." - Peter Atkins

So we have true religion and true science. Which side do you belong?

They are not clues about anything except your total ignorance.

Lucky soul: Iam a full candidate of heaven. U don't judge. What i listed there are the clues to come to christ if you have any other way let us know. Right?

Judas was a true christian hero for the way he chose. Had he chosen another way like you said, he would have betrayed Jesus and the religion that was later based on his achieving christhood, Christianity. Jesus would never have become christ without Judas. Christians need to think about that.

Jaybaba: Judas Iscariot played his role well. He betrayed the Lord as expected be Jesus himself. He was destined but in the ultimate analysis, man is a creature of personal choice. Man is a freewill moral agent. God did not make i-robots but rational thinking humans. God is very in support of the choices we make. Whatever those choices however, there are consequences or blessings. I give you this day life and death, choose life that it may be well with you.

Judas ultimately chose to betray the Lord. It was his destiny yes, but there might have been another way if he had chosen otherwise. He repented. He bought a field and hung himself therein. Suicide is self murder. That is the sin that sent him to hell in my reckoning for if he had truly repented and accepted the teachings of his master, then he would have had redemptive hope but he was faithless and took his destiny in his own hand.

If all those things you listed that one needs to come close to God are what you actually believe in, then not only are an "UNLUCKY SOUL", but also a soul in bondage of darkness. Pitiful soul.