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[quote author=A-40 link=topic=128608.msg2389861#msg2389861 date=1213810792]@Jesoul
Congratulations the Celts have made up for the Patriots disappointment! i guess Boston rules when it comes to sports its definitely a Championship City the Lakers got Rondo'd .The celebration was crazy though blacks and even white boys went loco but i can't blame yall 22 years is a long timei wasnt even born when yall won your last ring.I just wonder when my Mavs would win a ring 06 was just not meant to be i mean when Shaq starts making free throws and Nowitzki misses you just know its not meant to be that Final still hurts
Their big men really ran them down Gasol and Odom couldnt handle K.G i mean the pick and rolls where devastating they need Bynum next season no doubt.And might i add Radmanovic stank all series[/quote]you be correct bobo jare! The whole city is in jubilatory mode. I remember last yr how painful it was during the record 18-game losing streak, that seems like a century ago now. After the big three, I am happiest for Doc Rivers, what a class act. I hope to make it to the parade 2moro and hopefully take some good pics n share here.

Apparently defense does win championships. Is it just me or does it seem like the west does not have very good defense overall? cos the lakers breezed thru the playoffs n then stumbled so badly against green. There might be a case to argue that the west may not be as superior as everyone seems to think. I mean one can even argue that the finals was the Celtics easiest series all playoffs!

If I were laker management, I'd go after the next available veteran big interior defensive guy. True Bynum will be back but you need some insurance as well. And that bench also needs a moderate makeover, not too drastic cos they did make it all the way to the finals afterall.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=88149.msg2389627#msg2389627 date=1213808096]The Celts rule the roost and you can't say they didnt deseve it i feel sorry for Kobe though his big men let him down all through the series and he let his team down in Game 4 as well so they just have to pick themselves up.The Mavs for 09 title!!Mr Carlisle i think you need to emulate the Celts and make a blockbuster trade who do we go for? Ericka Dampier must go thats all i know and we need a Center and a PG[/quote]LOL. . . oh brotha that's just cold! lol n add Devean George to the list too, small wonder why the lakers got rid of him couple yrs ago. And why u talk say u need a PG? what about Kidd? have u already lost hope in his abilities?
. . .but yeah I think the mavs just need a few pieces here and there to make it to gloryland. I think everybody should watch out for NO next yr, they've laid a very solid foundation to build on.

Allta:
Man, we both know Christ wasn't talking about Tithe in Mark12:43. As Christians, we need to give willingly because God loves a cheerful giver. Man I can't shout, but I know I've been doing even more than 10% of my earnings in offerings & cheerful giving. Both unto the Church and outside Church, becuase that's who I am ,  a natural giver.

You can't give what you don't have, the poor woman in Mark 12:43 had something to live on, and she did put everything down in offering, not TITHE!

Can you also remember when Disciples were asking Christ to sell an anointing oil from the Alabaster box woman and pay the poor with it? Here Christ's own response in his words (documented by Matt, Mark and Luke):

Mk 14: 4-9
4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made? 5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. they murmured against her. 6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. 7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. 8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying. 9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Allta, you're right Christ wasn't talking about tithe and neither was I. I was simply pointing out to the question by Ori that one should not use "poverty as an excuse not to give" (though you're right he had refered to tithe in his question).
  If you read my inputs I say that tithing is NOT a requirement for christians today BUT some like me choose to do it out of the spirit of it. Esp since Abraham even gave a tithe BEFORE the law of tithing was instituted by Moses. So in my view, how much more should the spirit of tithing be alive after the law and in the presence of the great sacrifice and gift we've recieved? and to me whether you want to call it tithe or offering or gift or a portion, the important thing is to give of your earnings as God has given to you.

KunleOshob:
@jesoul
Please note that i am not suggesting that the bible i wrong or constantine / his agents wrote the bible. What i said is that they compiled the original bible and decided which books should be in it. What i am suggesting is that a lot of scripture is miising and we as christians should be concerned with finding this lost sripture because were are being robbed of the word of God.

Okay thanks again for pointing that out. I'm real glad you believe the bible 100%, that gives us common ground to work off. 
 But Kunle why should we be concerned about finding rumored-to-be lost scripture? We have not even scratched the surface of the revelations in the 66books we have, why the need to go hunting for more "scripture"?

 This opens the proverbial can of worms to all kinds of problems. Anybody can show up with a 1000yr old document, book of ______ and call it one of the missing books, how can we know and confirm that it is truly an inspired work of God? what will be the criteria for accepting these so-called scriptures? by which authority can we declare these works to be scripture? and subsequently include them in the canon?

 We don't need anything else my brother, we have more than enough direction and instruction in the bible, all we need for life and righteous living is already in there, why the need to hunt for more? in spite of all the dangers that this crusade may lead to? there is no need for tomb-raiding for lost books, we already have God's word and the holy Spirit to guide us. . . we are not missing anything.

 

I have come across one or two of these books before and they explain things (details) better. For instance if you read the book of genesis, you would discover that it is highly summarised and a lot of details were ommited. these details you can find in the "book of enoch" or "the land of eden" I believe if we had these books we would be able to understand the word of God better and all the fuzzy parts of our current bible would be better explained

I don't know about that. Again I say what will be the criteria and authority by which we include any "lost" books into the current canon?
 Oga, the job of the Holy Spirit is to reveal and explain the scriptures to us. (1Jn) We don't need to put ourselves at risk by trusting and looking for the word of God elsewhere when we already have it on our hands. Again I repeat that God is more than able to sustain and retain the integrity of His word as we have it today. Every book and word that we need - God has made sure we have it. Chasing after anything else will only prove futile and extremely dangerous.

doyin13:


RUBBISHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sour hater 

Boston Rules!

whatever Doyin,
if it were your team on top you would be out and about too. What is wrong with Celtics fans celebrating our first Championship in 22yrs? if you like put 50 faces up, na you sabi. Don't hate son, appreciate!

orisebawo:
when a man gets N100 a month

Pays
N50 in rent
N10 in bills
N30 in Transportation to work
N10 for food
N20 for maintenance of loan.

How much tithes does he pay if we agree he has to pay 10% of his earnings, from the above example this guy has not earned anything and his in debt of N20 every month, does he then increase his debt to N30 or does he wait until such a time where his income is higher than his expenditure.

In most cases where all your bills are on direct debit and they go out on the same day your salary comes in, and leaves you with a net balance of N30 overdraft, how do you pay your tithes? and if you decide to pay it at all cost and incure additional debt, then how do you pay off the debt.

There's one thing we're all forgetting here. Christians look to God and the Holy Spirit for direction in everything.
Orisebawo if a person is faced with this kind of problem, take it to God and ask Him what would be best to do. We here can give all the advice and opinions but in the end the only way such a person will do what's right for his situation is if he does what God directs him to do. Whether decrease his giving or whatever.

It's easy to give when you have money, the real challenge is to still give even when you don't.

 Remember the story of the widow in the bible living in poverty was still able to give all of the little that she had. Mark12:43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on."

 Nobody is advocating giving by force, becos God loves a cheerful giver.

Backslider:
The True Church Of Jesus Christ is the one He died for in the Cross of Cavalry that is seperate in acts from those proclaiming to be Christian with their mouths.

A great point that everyone should duly take note of.

Kunle,

@jeSoul
First of all let me clarify about the post, it is not my origina writing i came across it while doing some bible research.

Okay got you, thanks for clarifying that.

however i found it to be very eye opening. Why it directly affects every church we have today is that today's Christianity is vastly based on the bible which was compiled by constantine( a pagan emperor) whose motive was to us religion as an instrument of control in his empire.

I won't get tangled in historical gymnastics because the accounts can vary depending on the historian that wrote from his/her view.
 But,
I'll ask you this simple question:
Do you believe that God is able to keep and retain and sustain the integrity of His word through thousands of years? Do you believe that though Constatine may have been misguided in many of his ways but yet God could've still used him? like He used Pharaoh? Furthermore Constantine did not write the books of the NT, how then can anyone say those books cannot be fully trusted because of Constantines actions?

Todays christianity is based on the bible and rightfully so. Becos the bible is in harmony, the different books teach the same God and the same Jesus. I see all the problems and issues you listed BUT the bible we have teaches against the problems you've mentioned seeing in the "church". I use that in parenthesis because a lot of what people are calling the church today IS NOT really the church of Christ - especially when their actions run contrary to what is commanded in the bible.

 

Also to be noted was that a lot of christian scripture that was written by the apostles and the disciples of christ were deliberately omitted from the bible at that time because they ran counter to the political motives of constantine. you can check out this thread to see the list of books that was delibeately omitted from the bible  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-143191.0.html this books had spiritual dept and some were written by disciples who worked directly with Jesus.

Again lets not even muddle with history, I'll ask u a couple simple questions:

- Do you believe God's word cannot and does not contradict itself?
-Do you believe the scriptures teach that God's word is perfect and will never pass away?
If your answers are yes

then if those writings were indeed from the apostles and subsequently from God, whatever was contained in them would not contradict anything we have in the current body of 66books!

So why would you lend credence to the assertion that the church of today is somehow doing things contrary to whatever might have contained in those books? supposing these books were real?

I'm just trying to say that if our current bible has somehow been robbed of its brother and sister books, those other books would still teach the same laws, the same practices, the same lifestlye, and ultimately the same God.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=128608.msg2380660#msg2380660 date=1213639653]The Lakers live to fight another day at least they have saved the fans the trauma of having a series closed out in their homecourt if only they had won Game 4 life would be so much easier but why do those guys keep throwing away huge leads 18 pts last night and almost blew it again i think they can win Game 6 only if they do two things:Start well and Finish well no giving away of huge leads or acquiring huge deficits if the Lakers can sneak Game 6 then we are in for a grand stand finish[/quote]Don't tell anyone but I was secretly hoping the C's lose game 5 and win #6 at home as it would be much sweeter in front of the home crowd, and I was right! I don't feel sorry for the beatdown at all. . .if anyone deserved such humiliation it was the Lakers and most of their obnoxious fans who were already celebrating even before the series started. Gasol is soft, Odom is inconsistent, n the laker bench was MIA, if they hope to be back next yr then they need to improve the reserve n get an inside presence. Perhaps Bynum will solve that problem.
Anyways I hope the Celtics bring back the entire roster _{although I'll live with a few cuts like Cassell}

This was 22yrs in the making n best believe Boston is going to relish this moment Congrats to all the Celtics Fans in the House!

boring ke? for who?  me I enjoyed every single second of the humiliation we dished out. I usually feel for the losing team but after the way they've whined and complained all series long I have no sympathy for them at all. Since they said we could not do it without the refs, we went out and proved them wrong - to the tune of a 39 point beatdown! 

  Yeah Stern is not really a beloved guy in the NBA. But I was suprised they booed him so much. I think they just wanted to get on with it and hear from their champs! The party is on in Beantown!  I'm planning on going to the parade 2moro, anybody else going?

The poster is talking about completely suspending any giving to God in order to pay off debts, that will be wrong.

This is the original post still on page 1:


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If you have a lot of debt, can you temporarily stop tithing while paying off the debt?

My dear sister, why would you want to lie korokoro to justify something that you admitted in your own reply is not a requirement for CHRISTians
What could be your motivation[/quote]If you're going to quote me please READ correctly what I said. . .this is it again:

The poster is talking about completely suspending any giving to God[u] in order to pay off debts[/u], that will be wrong.

I was saying the same thing the poster asked- to suspend all giving[u] until [/u] he pays off his debts. . . How did you read the same statement to mean I said the poster will completely stop giving? please biko take your time and read carefully, just because u disagree with me don't accuse me of being a liar.

I said it B4 I say it again. . . tithing as a requirement is no longer applicable to christians today, it is in the spirit of the practice, and so that the house of God will not lack, that I have chosen to continue in it. Give as God has given to you and according to your means.

fotodaddy:
Bible scholars beware; The letter kills but its the Spirit that gives life.

Try to know your God,

n try to know your scripture   that verse is used out of context.

 The "letter" refered to in 2 Cor 3:6 is talking about the "Law". The law in itself is not evil, it shows us our sin- which leads to death and that is why Paul made the statement that "the letter kills"

Galatians 3:24
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

 That is why the letter "kills" - but the letter in itself is holy

Romans 7:12
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

 just wanted to point that out since as you said people are reading and we should not mislead them

just like I thot, not one verse of scripture to back up anything you say

again here is what I said,

and if you read ALL of my post you'll see that I did say[u] tithing as a requirement [/u] is under the Law and therefore not applicable to us. BUT the spirit and practice of tithing, or if you want to call it giving a portion of your earnings to God is still very much alive in the NT.


We see all through the NT believers giving freely to the church and to the poor, that sets the precedence for us today. Whether or not you want to call it tithe is insignificant. What's important is giving of your earnings to God and the church for the advancement and growth of the kingdom. Whether it is 10% or 50% is between you and God.

  The poster is talking about completely suspending any giving to God in order to pay off debts, that will be wrong. If everyone in a church decided to stop giving in order to pay for other things, how is the church supposed to survive? However we give as we can, we give as God has given and enabled us. Some can give more, others less, the important thing is to still give!
  Have you thought about how Abraham paid a tenth (tithe) to Melchizedek BEFORE the Law was put into place by Moses? So even after the law what tells us that we should get rid of the practice?

fotodaddy:
MOST HOLY BRETHREN JESOUL, Your statement speaks for itself.

why resort to personal disparaging remark? I am quoting from the bible, you are just simply making statements so if that makes me most holy so be it.

I am not quoting you out of context. You made this statement to justify tithing and giving of offering.

You are NOT reading everything I said in my post. That was not the only point I made and you insinuating that it is is misquoting me. You obviously have no response to everything else I said hence you resorted to harping to death this one point.

MY GOD DOES NOT NEED YOUR TITHE AND OFFERING FOR HIS CHURCH TO SURVIVE. Take it or leave it. The cows on a thousand hills are His.

Yes and it was the same God that said in
1Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Now if the church disregards this commandment, how are our ministers supposed to get their living? How will the church survive? how will they pay for the upkeep and running of things? Please answer this very simple question for all to see.

Stop wallowing in pride and admit you made a mistake and change your post to say exactly what you are trying to communicate. Christians are not the only ones who read these threads and your post is EXTREMELY misleading

My hope is that those who are reading are not as shady as you are in choosing what it is you want to read into my post. It is there for all to see and understand with getting personal and making uncalled for remarks.

Pastor AIO:
But christianity was not a monolithic body in those first centuries until Constantine made it the state religion. And in order to become one church it required the persecution and destruction of all the other christians that did not follow the State's orthodoxy. Yet even that violently imposed orthodoxy did not last long in one monolithic body because the Church soon splintered into the Roman Catholic and the other various eastern Orthodox churches. However the period he is talking about is between the establishment as a state religion and the splintering. So there was One Church. Everyone else was dead or had fled.

No AIO, he's def not talking about then, see his title of the second post says "The Non-Biblical Nature of the Modern Church". That's what I was talking about. He constantly refers to "the church" like they were all identical, n he like he personally knows every single one of them does the things he accuses them of.

I say this becos my church and many of the churches I've been to are not guilty of these charges. If the poster wants to lament about how some or many churches act like that then he should make it explicitly clear instead of maligning the entire christian body of believers.

anonimi:
Have you read Acts and the Epistles of Paul comprehensively to see IF he asked for or received tithes
No, my sister, he was given gifts and offerings from time to time without asking but yet thanking the givers. That is the standard of true CHRISTians, whether leaders or followers- no matter the claimed level of annointing and wonders.

Nah brotha. . .

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

  This is an example of Paul directly and explicitly asking the corinthians to set aside money from their pay to contribute to the fund for the poor. If you like call it tithe or offering or gift the essence is still taking aside a sum of their money to give to God.

poster,
you say some things that are true, but too much of it is highly off the mark.

You refer to "the Church" like you've been to every single church on the face on the planet, have met every single pastor and minister and know how each and every one of them operates. You make good points but quickly ruin your credibility by making such gross generalizations. If you're willing to retract and correct those then this piece will be a good topic for discussion.

fotodaddy:
Father, help people understand that your church's survival is not dependent on their giving tithe or offering!!!


Father ARE YOU THE IMPOTENT GOD!!!!!

YOUR CHURCH CANNOT SURVIVE BECAUSE PEOPLE STOP GIVING!!!!!

INSULT TO MY GOD!!!!!

and it would be wise for you to take ALL of my post in context and stop twisting what I said . . . READ everything I said and not just pluck out one part.
  And it is the bible that said it not me
1Cor 9:13  Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
We are given a clear command that the ministers of the word should earn their living from the church. It could not be clearer. No one can say otherwise. Now if the church does not give in offerings or tithes or whatever, how are its ministers supposed to live? How are they supposed to maintain and care for the church? It is a direct command from God!

Sorry everyone I know it's been a while but I still am not satisfied with this topic so here goes, I hope Image you're still around somewhere. . .

Image123:
@JeSoulwhen I say I do not see the harm ,I meant there is no harm in it.Its not totally unscriptural.the wisdom of God can still direct us to some practices.

I'm not so sure about that. The bible explicitly teaches us to avoid any new teachings/doctrines that are not sanctioned by the word. If we took this slippery path all kinds of new and strange teachings can be loosely justified by saying "it's based on the wisdom of God"? that's dangerous.

It 'll be impractical to say we'll not do anything that aren't written in the Bible.we use microphones in our churches but there's no such practice in d Bible.we give tracts.These things are good and many spirit filled leaders do and use them.Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. .

lol. . . you're being unreasonable here. The bible does not teach us to wear jeans but we do, it does not teach us to eat eba and egusi, but we do.
We're not talking about insignificant things that are not connected to our walk with God. We're talking about prayer, an act that is central to every christian's walk. And in the bible we're taught in many places how we should go about it, why do we need to add to the already existing methods? something that is not even hinted at at all?

I've heard some leaders pray using the blood of Jesus.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
OT is also Scripture,infact at the time of the earlychurch the OT was their Scriptures,the NT wasn't yet complete or cannonized.
At the passover in Exodus,the jews used the blood for protection and salvation.Apostle Paul says Christ is our passover.He is our lamb,a better lamb with better blood speaking better things.people have the privilege of using his blood for their protection and salvation.

Look at your own words. . . the Lamb is the one, it is His blood that speaks - not us. This is still not by a mile biblical justification for using the blood over ourselves, our cars etc. . .

NB.The sprinkling of blood @d Exodus12 passover is different from the sprinkling of blood that the priest was later commanded to do before the altar.In Ex12,the sprinkling was done by each family not one person.If today,some apply such scriptures to their lives,its to their benefit and it is not wrong.That isn't to say that it is compulsory for everbody or a prerequisite to having prayers answered or getting to heaven.Its a too[/b]l.

How did you arrive at that conclusion from Ex12?
All thru scripture its a priest doing the sprinkling, when Jesus came it was Him, [b]humans never played that role of priest

We can't all use the same tools.Today some people use the gifts of th Spirit,some others don't really fancy it.Some healing,some positive confession while some no interest.They're just ok with salvation and the goal of heaven.God bless you.

and here you're attempting to mix other biblical practices directly with this unbiblical one. Gifts of healing etc are known and taught - the pleading of the blood just plain isn't.

anonimi:
Can you explain or point out where in the new convenant you are seeing tithing which is explicitly BANNED (Hebrews 7:1-11) again flowing naturally please?

Have you heard of Pharisees and scribes passing the traditions of men off as doctrine

and if you read ALL of my post you'll see that I did say tithing as a requirement is under the Law and therefore not applicable to us. BUT the spirit and practice of tithing, or if you want to call it giving a portion of your earnings to God is still very much alive in the NT. Again here is what I said

 

we see in the new covenant (though not explicitly stated) that though tithing is not a requirement, it would become a practice that would flow naturally from our new freedom in Christ. I believe it is not explicitly stated in the NT because God now wants our giving to be from out of our hearts, as a willful act of worship - not for us to do it out of obligation or rule or law.

  1Cor 9 teaches that those who work in the ministry should make a living from the ministry. Also we see Paul asking the believers to keep aside a portion of their earnings to give to the poor
It is no longer a requirement, but the spirit of the practice is still very much alive. As it was even before the Law was instituted- we see Abraham paid tithes even before the Law was, now how much more after the Law has been? how much more after the incredible sacrifice we've received should our thankfulness even overflow more?

We see all through the NT believers giving freely to the church and to the poor, that sets the precedence for us today. Whether or not you want to call it tithe is insignificant. What's important is giving of your earnings to God and the church for the advancement and growth of the kingdom. Whether it is 10% or 50% is between you and God.
  The poster is talking about completely suspending any giving to God in order to pay off debts, that will be wrong. If everyone in a church decided to stop giving in order to pay for other things, how is the church supposed to survive? However we give as we can, we give as God has given and enabled us. Some can give more, others less, the important thing is to still give!

  Have you thought about how Abraham paid a tenth (tithe) to Melchizedek BEFORE the Law was put into place by Moses? So even after the law what tells us that we should get rid of the practice?

KunleOshob:
@detruth
You have come to start spreading your LIES  and manipulative interpretation of the scriptures here again, even though you were not able to disprove a single point i made in my last thread on this topic. I know a lot of people are ignorant about the real truth about tithing because the church as deceived them and not told them the whole truth about tithes as captured in several passages in the bible, all they quote is malachi 3 : 10 which in it self is not self explanatory. they now tell you their own corrupted interpretation of it, but once people read the truth as defined by God in the bible (and not by mordern day pastors who are benefitting from the deception) which is very clear and unabmbigous they would make up their minds about what the real truth is about tithes. As i have always said the church owes the congregation the truth and that is what i stand on. For people who are new to this topic i recomend for reading Deut 14 : 22-29, leviticus 27: 30-34, numbers 18: 25-32, deut 26: 12-15 and Hebrews 7 : 5-15

Kunle, you are right in that tithing is specifically a requirement of the Law and we are no longer under Law but grace.
BUT
  we see in the new covenant (though not explicitly stated) that though tithing is not a requirement, it would become a practice that would flow naturally from our new freedom in Christ. I believe it is not explicitly stated in the NT because God now wants our giving to be from out of our hearts, as a willful act of worship - not for us to do it out of obligation or rule or law.

 1Cor 9 teaches that those who work in the ministry should make a living from the ministry. Also we see Paul asking the believers to keep aside a portion of their earnings to give to the poor
It is no longer a requirement, but the spirit of the practice is still very much alive. As it was even before the Law was instituted- we see Abraham paid tithes even before the Law was, now how much more after the Law has been? how much more after the incredible sacrifice we've received should our thankfulness even overflow more?

ow11:
I thought we were told tithing keep problems like this far from us. why should a 'tihter' be in debt? If he is in debt then it is obvious the tithing isnt working and should go ahead and pay off his debt by whatever means he deems fit.

If debt collectors come knocking, they won't accept the counter foil of his tithe booklet!

and whoever told you that was lying to you my dear.

 Christians don't tithe and give to God so that they themselves will be debt-free, the bible does NOT teach that. We give because we have been given, without the expectation of being rewarded for it. God is not stupid, He knows the motives of a mans heart and He will not bless someone who "gives" with the expectation that he will be given back to.
 Christians give to God becos He first gave to us, and everything we have and can do is not of ourselves, it is a gift from God. Hence we're only giving something back of what was not really ours in the first place.

Oga Seun you have heard her pleas please unban her
Its people like Nwando that make NL the fun crazy place that it is, so if it be just for that reason alone allow whatever sins she may have committed against you _{or any of the other untouchable moderators} to slide
She promises to be a good girl, right @osisi?

The Incredible Hulk - starring Edward Norton: 7.5 of 10. Good enough to go see at the cinema.

  I was an original fan of the first Hulk movie starring Eric Bana from a couple years ago so I was a little angry he was replaced with the skinny lanky Ed Norton but he did a good job with the role.

Thumbs up:
-Good action/fight scenes
-Genuinely funny moments
-Realistic (for lack of a better word) looking hulk
-Cameo by Lou Ferrigno - actor from the hulk series

Thumbs down:
-The first half of the movie is better than the second, it kinda loses it "thrillability"
-The ending scenes were so shamelessly setting up for a sequel it was ridiculous
-Way too many loose ends that open the door for part 2 but yet did not do a good job of closing out pt 1
-Story-line was predictable

Even me I don't like the way Stern runs the nba sometimes putting a gag on everyone at the risk of a fine.
and I'm not saying phil shoulda complained for the other teams BUT I think it shows the character of a person sit to quietly and happily while they benefit from an injustice several times, only to turn around and cry foul when it happens back to them.

and to make it worse is while they benefitted the losing teams did not complain, it makes it so much worse for them to then turn around and act like this. Do you see the point I'm trying to make? Perhaps even if they suffered a wrong, they shoulda just kept their integrity and moved on. Allow ur play on the court to show ur anger at your perceived wrong. Like the bible says, "whatever is hidden will be made known" if the Celtics benefitted wrongly, they'll themselves pay for it sooner or later.

Abi no be so the world works?

Temp, part of my problem like I said before is not  just with the Lakers complaining about it, but when the lakers were on the receiving end of such favor in the Jazz series they did not complain about it!    The disparity was 43-16!
  and back in 05' vs Sac it was 40 - 25 and 27-9 in the fourth quarter alone! and did the kings come out crying the next day about the fouls? not nearly as much a Phil did couple days ago. They moved onto the next game - void of conspiracy theories. They shut up and played!
 
  Lakers cannot now come out n complain about something they themselves benefitted from in the same playoffs! - it's called karma sweetie, what goes aorund. . .comes right back and bites you in the butt! 

anyways I'm happy the focus is back on the actual game. . . that is what it's all about.

since you're not igbo how exactly does he expect you to be able to make igbo dishes?    that is very unreasonable.

  I know he's your husband but since he's complaining, tell him to go learn it and teach you! or better yet make it himself! It is nor fair that he does not even appreciate that you're trying to make an effort.

SeanT, 
    doesn't it feel good to be on the winning side girl? 

Now we can focus on the game instead of the referees n calls. I wonder what will be the excuse Celtics won this time since the foul calls were even?  I had more respect for LA n Phil before the series. . .I never knew they could whine n complain and sulk the way they did. I cannot stand whiners, Shut up and play! is my motto.

Now we must win game 5 and end this thing before. . .

I was witness to the greatest 4quarter comeback in playoff history by the Celtics in 02'
and once again a witness to the greatest finals comeback! Celtics you are spoling me. . . . don't stop! lol.

  But men was it hard to watch the first half. . . I am proud of my boys oh! that was gutsy and showed they have some fight in them. And they did it without 2 starters too! I am especially enjoying the Celtics rubbing this in the face of those arrogant sports "analysts" predicting Lakers in 5. . . I hope they are apologetic they wrote off the best team in the NBA all season. Anyways GO CELTICS!!!!! I want a parade!! 

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=88149.msg2364929#msg2364929 date=1213287235]@Je-soul
Why would it be a big deal for the Raiders when last did they make it to the Superbowl those guys have to be the worst team besides the Dolphins.Its been sickening i keep checking just to make sure i am not watching a re-run or something i mean for chrissakes there is an Nba Finals game tonight i am not sure the Lakers are guilty on any charge as well sha.[/quote]I heard they were questioning Bavetta, one of the NBA's best refs. . . this does have the potential to become ugly if it turns out to be true but yeah I'd like for us to enjoy the finals and deal with the refs later.

Do you mean the Golf tourney? i am not exactly a golf fan

yeah I was talking golf. . . golf fans are soooo hard to find.    I'm probably the only one in this forum fam all think I'm weird n crazy for watching it, that n baseball. Plus you know africans like to only stick with their soccer.

Ezinwannem:
Yes, BEAM INC. is my newly founded NGO. it just got INCOPORATED with the Canadian Govt. the website will be completed by today by the professional web designer desgning it. I will keep you posted. How do u see the site so far?

the site looks cool, the layout is well organized too, let me know when the content is all set, I'd love to look more into it. Much props to you! for taking this on, it is highly commendable. Like I said I've been thinking of doing something like that and since I'm not doing it now I would love to support what you're doing. Keep me updated!

sheniqua:
whoever says American citizenship is worthless may be one of those that have cried their eyes out monthly at the US embassy with different names and styles of bia bia.
America still remains the most coveted country in the world.
Go to US emabssies all over the world.
Even the Arabs the fellow was talking about are falling over themselves to get here.

Lol