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InesQor:
@Jesoul: Hi mod! I just did a little googling and found this link, if you are interested in checking it out
http://www.putlocker.com/file/12E9E11AC116512A (you may choose to continue as free user).

Thanks Inesqor! Now I have one fewer excuse, your google somehow pass my google. Funny enough I have actually been regularly using Putlocker/sockshare/gorillavid etc for a while now. Inesqor you go vex for me small . . . I was in your backyard recently 

Much is being made of the bad belle between Newt & Mitt . . . . but do we all have collective amnesia? Theirs is not even close to the oscar-grammy-SAG award-winning drama that unsued between Obama & Hillary just 3yrs ago. Much like there is no honor among thieves - there is no friendship amongst politicians. Alliances and rivalries are forged on the oath of 'you scratch my back, I scratch yours'. Enemies today will quickly become bedfellows tomorrow as long the relationship is mutually beneficial to both. If Romney got into office, Newt would be in the cabinet somewhere.

Anyways . . . Trump's endorsement doesn't mean much, at all. Newt shouldn't worry though, he has Herman Cain's support . . . birds of the same feather will always flock together.

   [quote author=Kay-Dee link=topic=789683.msg10142957#msg10142957 date=1328627699]Out of the pack, Santorum seems to be the most intelligent and capable of taking on Obama on a debate and he has clearly defined plans  for different parts of the economy but rather extreme views when it comes to religion, morals and other areas that concern liberals, worst of all, he's broke .[/quote]Hmmm . . . we must both be watching different Santorums. The one I have been seeing . . . in a debate, Obama will eat him for lunch, crack, chew & then spit out the bones

aletheia:
^
Do you mean Schindler's List? That movie for me had an emotional ending. It's probably the only movie I recall bringing tears to my eyes.

Yup Schindler's List. Dare had recommended it to me a while back on a "movies & spirituality" thread. I'm yet to see it

I'm seeing the picture, but I'm not believing my eyes    kai! Naija! If there were to be an emergency evacuation, I'm not sure which will be safer, the disaster scene or aboard that plane 

pendo89:
Can't stop laughing at the bolded God knows what the cockpit holds.

Lol. The pilots (assuming there are at least two to begin with) are probably sitting on each others lap, with their own luggage on the seat beside them.

dare2think:
Hi jesoul, saw your message on the other thread. Happy new year to you too.

Have you found time to watch the movie shcindler that I recommeded to you?

Oga I still never see am oh imagine   infact its been a long time since I've watched anything. Plus I couldn't find it online at my usual 'free movie' sites . . . *sigh* I will get to it . . . at some point 

davidylan:
can you provide an example of one of these great examples with regard to women teaching/usurping authority over a man pls?

That shouldn't be necessary as I do not believe it is appropriate for "women to teach/usurp authority over a man" . . . at least not in the manner that you/other proponents appear to understand it. I have no problem with Paul's directives, they were perfectly within order.

  I simply believe whatever accords appropriate respect for spiritual authority, brings order & harmony in the church and glory & honor to God - is the message of that scripture, and not the particular mechanics - as this will change and be different accross different cultures, times & dispensations. Others have already proffered contextual/historical/cultural reasons towards this stance. Cheers bro .

Ndipe:
Not Biblical typo, rather, Deborah was in the Old Testament era. Read this article posted by "Found"

http://onwardchristianwoman..com/2008/05/should-women-preach.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080530111751AA7CAs9

Uhm, that was a joke. I was trying (and apparently failing) to be funny with the 'biblical typo' line.

Image123:
We no dey shurch na, today Tuesday. Se it's my toes that are religious?

Lol. Irrelevant distinctions. If I'm not good enough to teach or speak on the sabbath why shouldd I be good enough on a non-sabbath?

Next time, just marsh it and say 'sorry'. Let brotherly love continue ni.

Hehe . . . I no go marsh jor. If pesin wan continue to dey kill cats, I go just waka by and lef them be

dalaman:
If we are to go by your reasoning then its also VERY OK to concluded that most of the teachings and instructions of Jesus himself are purposeless, ritualistic killing of cats.

Well, I'm sorry you miss the point and no problem if that's the conclusion you reached. I place the highest of emphasis & value on the life & teachings of Jesus Christ. Cheers.

Image123:
JeSoulu. Na wa o, even if you don't greet me, i MUST greet you. Happy New Year. Where've you been my sister? Abi na because i follow talk say make women no teach men?

Una talk say women no suppose talk or teach men now that's why I restrict myself accordingly I no wan step on any religious toes. But either way happy new snr brotha .

Pastor AIO:
So when Deborah was judge over Israel what dayz were those?

Biblical typo.

^my point is quite simple dekung - and I suspect you understand it very well

He simply knew it was the 'custom/tradition' to kill a cat during the service. So the ritualistic killing of a cat became part of every service - instead of a means to preserve & protect the service.

So instead of the new priest to go behind the custom, understand its purpose and then modify the instruction to say "kill any animal that disturbs & disrupts the service" he continues to kill cats just because it is what the priests before him did.

I want us to ask ourselves, how much of our christian beliefs & rules are simply empty, purposeless, ritualistic killing of cats? actions that have long lost the original meaning for which it was intended?

manmustwac:
Where do you want it Moved to? The recycle bin?

Lol. The guy say na home/front page he want now lol.

bunmioguns:
Am not even asking for it to be moved again, bt pleeease jst help me to delete all d insultive comment there esp the one by Lasinoh. . . Thanks

Done sir.

Thread cleaned by me. Please carry on cordially kids.

Dare2think, I'm not sure I've greeted you happy new year yet 

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@topic,
there's this story someone posted in this section a while back. I don't remember it exactly word for word but I'll paraphrase and give my understanding/version/spin of it:

There was a priest in a temple who would officiate the services. Everytime there was a service a cat would always interrupt and disrupt the flow. The priest fed up instructed his helper to kill any cat that disrupted the service. Over time it became a regular occurence that a cat had to be routinely killed every service to prevent disruptions. Soon after the priest passed away, and the next one passed away, and the next one . . . etc. Soon enough the cat population dwindled to a point it wasn't such a problem to the services anymore but further down the line a new priest took over who didn't know the reason why the original priest(s) had been routinely killing cats. He simply knew it was the 'custom/tradition' to kill a cat during the service. So the ritualistic killing of a cat became part of every service - instead of a means to preserve & protect the service.

I believe christianity today - oftentimes in a genuine effort to honor scripture - continue to kill cats without understanding the reason why. When it came to women Jesus Himself broke all the rules, radically doing things with women that were socially & religiously taboo. We want to stand firm and ritualistically follow "new testament" directives, but so easily forget that these directives must not be incompatible with the great example Jesus Himself set.

  Both Jesus & Paul got it exactly right - it is we today that have it wrong.

This topic would be better suited for the Foreign affairs section I think.

Anyways, I prefer Gingrich's plan of focusing on deporting the criminal elements . . . I think if a president focuses on this aspect it will go a long way in changing public perception and attitude.

Logic Mind:
Define moralilty.
Your question is byassed as you have assumed necrophilia immoral and are asking us why it is thus.
What is moral or immoral as someone has already hinted depends on the society and the era you find yourself in.
If you take morality by it's definition of distinction between right and wrong, then I would argue that, because of the strange and repulsive nature of the act, necrophilia is wrong and consequently immoral. Can it be right and moral at certain times? YES.

There's this tribe (sorry can't recall the name now) somewhere in the Amazon jungle where it is custom for a surviving relative to eat the corpse of a deceased- in order to consume their 'essence'. To me this is worse than necrophilia, yet it is/was a common thing in their society. I will argue though, that there is a certain universality to what we humans consider moral/immoral. By that I mean that while I hold that societies draw out their own 'moral' lines, those who would consider such behavior okay would be in the very small minority of the human race - both past & present. As such I think an argument can be made that in the big picture, even though they considered it okay, when placed against the context of the rest of humanity, it would be truly 'immoral'. The issue of morality has several layers . . . personal, societal and universal.

It is dissappointing that this is being compared to homosexuality in such manner as to degrade and insult homosexuals or their proponents.

For those that condemn it on religious grounds, know that your almighty perfect infallible god made them thus.

I think it would be making a mistake to consider morals a 'religious' attribute. It is rather a human one. And as far as I've seen no one has 'degraded or insulted homosexuals and their proponents'. It is not homosexuality itself that is being compared to necrophilia - but rather the argument used in favor of homosexuality is strikingly similar to that used in support of of necrophilia. So why is one accepted & the other not?

Hi maasoap, pls continue on this already existing topic:

Liam Neeson: May Become A Muslim, Catholic Star Is Thinking About Changing Faith
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-855158.0.html

millionbuc, pls continue on this already existing topic -

Kuwaiti Prince Abdullah al-Sabah Converted To Christianity
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-851635.0.html

thanks.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=789683.msg10038018#msg10038018 date=1327421807]@JeSoul,
We thank God, we thank God. I trust everything is well in your corner of the world as well.[/quote]Glad you're doing well . I thank God too, my corner is just splendid. The Lord is too good.

Kai, to think you just wished Pre-elect a very conservative year only to turn around and say you will be voting Obama. You asked about my faith earlier, how is yours?!

Haha! Nice one . I tire for the tired options they're parading in front of us. A man who has never kept a vow in his life, another who cannot make up his mind on what he believes, another who is too old and flaky to make any real difference and the last who is thoroughly uninspiring despite his best efforts.

  Might as well save all that money, skip the general elections and give the 2nd term to Obama already . . . cos I honestly don't see him losing against any of the current crop of selection that we have - even as weak as he is now. Is this seriously the best the Right can come up with? seriously? Let the Republican establishment not think that they can slap a conservative label on any damaged package and automatically expect conservatives/independents to vote for them - I will express my sentiments about that by the way I vote.

Besides, Michelle Obama is my girl jor . . .

Lol @ the contributions.

While beef/fights bring in views, posts & interest, good topics also bring in views, posts & interest. Its up to the regular postsers to post your own travel local or abroad stories & pictures and inject life to the section. I have really enjoyed most the picture threads in this section and those of local experiences in their own cities.

It says try not to laugh and you guys are laughing freely 

Why did she keep trying to walk? lol. She should've just taken off the shoes instead of that painful display. Poor girl. You fellas should know its not easy wearing heels you know 

^thanks Sir Kay that is very nice of you. I've saved your contact and will definitely be in touch. Thanks again!

Uncle Tayo, Happy New Year sir . Hope body, family & faith are all in excellent condition.

Prez happy new year to you too. I hope you've been staying out of trouble? I wish you a very conservative 2012 

Dayokanu how body now? good job with the updates on the thread.

dayokanu:
Governor Christie: Newt is not going to be an embarassment to the GOP, He is already an embarasment to the GOP

LOL. Gosh I just love hearing quotes from gov christie Lol.

@topic, if Newt or Romney end up being the candidate, I will be voting for Obama. While Newt may be debating well, I do not find him believable for one second and Romney is simply a shadow playing the role.

MeJoe thank you sir. I hope everything is exceedingly well with you and yours.

I personally look forward to seeing some of those juicy posts from you this year, hope I shan't be disappointed

Sir Kay:
@ JeSoul,

Language difference is no big deal to me, as I'm the inquisitive type and already learning the most common of them, Twi. We live in an estate setup(they call theirs community this or that), whereby you are alone in your gated/walled compound and interact with people in your lane, either when there is a general meeting or lane/community party for families or sometimes when you are driving out of your compound. Mixing with people is a bit hard here, as though you are all neoghbours and know each other, you hardly interact.

Our kids were the major factor that's driven me in learning Twi, as three of them understands it to some extent, about 40%. Ghana languages are a combined subject which is compulsory for students in primary and secondary schools in Ghana. We watch Twi movies a lot, while we also have a learn Twi easily book at home. The ones I dont understand, are always explained/pronounced to me better by my pastor who is also helping me to learn it. I could pick little in their conversations now. Infact, I've got lots of Ghana gospel music on my phone/laptop that I listen to regularly whenever I'm not in Ghana, just to keep in tune with the language.

Whenever I go out, I say the little I hear, while making the people realise that I'm a NIgerian and still learning. I always encourage them to speak to me in Twi and ask for meaning of the words/sentences they say. They are friendly people I'l say and we are not regretting our living here.

Awesome thanks! I'm keeping an open mind/eye for the future and saw the language as the only possible barrier. Your story is encouraging. Thanks!

Macavelius, wassup brother? your thread belongs in the crime section. Thanks.

frosbel:
JeSoul, you of all people , want to ban me 

What did I do madam 

I was under the impression, maybe false, that you were on my side 

On a more serious note, I hope this is not leading to the suppression of free speech on this forum !!!

Lol. I am squarely on your side as your mod - the real question is are you on my side? When you make my job difficult by fighting, inciting negative emotions, opening endless threads etc. We're receiving so many complaints about you and Lagosshia. It would be really appreciated if you kept love & respect for others at the forefront when you post - especially as I personally hold the christians in this section to a higher standard than others but you're not my side if you continue to be a problem.

  And as I've always said, feel free to post your topics - just do so within the rules "right section, respect others and don't incite or provoke etc" and you and me will be best of friends 

Nice input from Godfather.

1Godfather:
I can think of several reasons why the practice of copulating with the dead is wrong, distasteful and immoral. As I am pressed for time, I’ll sketch out a brief response and as the discussion progresses I may seize the opportunity to elaborate on my point of view or to entertain objections to my point of view.

1)A s.exual act is generally considered immoral or wrong if it nonconsensual. Proper s.exual intercourse involves people who properly understand the ramifications of the proposed s.exual intercourse and voluntarily give consent without compulsion, force or threats to achieve the s.exual act. This is why it is moral to frown on r.ape, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, objectum sexuality, s.exual assault or sex slavery, or other extreme forms of s.exual deviancy. There is a nonconsensual element to these paraphilia; if I were to talk frankly, people who find themselves captive to these sexually deviant behaviors ought to seek help for this situation. As such, it is completely muddleheaded to begin to equivocate on what is clearly immoral, unsound and abnormal because persons who are captive to these paraphilia feel like their actions should be excused or understood. A corpse clearly has no way to consent to s.exual advances or entreaties and as such sex with deceased persons is clearly wrong.

2)Every individual is endowed by inalienable personal or individual rights which include the right to self-ownership. This means that it is immoral for someone to treat others as if they were chattel or property. Every individual has the right to own his person, his body, his labor and the fruit of his labor—therefore for someone to seek to possess these things or to borrow them for a season, one must necessarily secure the consent of the people who originally own them. Necrophilia entails the abuse of the body of a previously living person—it is a criminal act against the property of a once-living person and that in my mind is clearly immoral and wrong.

Nice arguments. I'm afraid they might be quickly countered by this - what if a person before they pass away gave full and unrestricted access to a necro? much like people donate their bodies for medical research and end up as cadavars, with pieces of their body displayed in jars. That is an otherwise reprehensible action that has been permitted by the owner of the body.

Uyi Iredia:
@ JeSoul

How about the most unusual funeral?

One time this bunch of religious fanatics held a funeral for one of their members. They didn't want her embalmed, they just wanted her dressed and in the casket. We usually didn't do that, but we decided to be nice and put her up in the stateroom. We were standing outside of that stateroom and we heard someone saying, "Rise in the name of Jesus!" They were preying and slapping the body. They were talking in tongues. That was weird!

Do you agree with what the Christians did here ? Personally, I don't since Jesus way of going about faith healing wasn't that way. Would you say they were applying faith ?

Jesus once spat in the mud and then rubbed it on a blind man's eye and he was healed. While there is biblical precedence for otherwise strange behavior done in the name faith, I honestly believe scepticism should be the default reaction of every christian to the vast majority of those claiming to be "exercising their faith". And its easy to tell if they were pardon my french, BS-ing the whole time - what was the result? did she rise from the dead? Genuine faith grounded by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will always produce a result - not just whip up an emotional frenzy and then die off.

Uyi Iredia:
In fact, I am tired of just agreeing. It makes it seem like group-think. I need you-know-them to pose objections right now. I won't be available till tomorrow evening or the day after that to discuss this issue.

Lol. Don't worry. They never fail to show for a good tussle

Deep Sight:
Certainly, the act needn't be physically harmful inorder to qualify as harm. I certainly did not have physical harm in mind.

But the question is this - if we are to presume that there is no form of harm whatsoever done - would that then make such an act morally acceptable? This is something to think on regarding our definition of morality.

Exactly right I think. If a necro does it in the middle of the amazon jungle on corpse of which no one cares or remembers, it doesn't affect anyone, or any society but the necro him/herself - but he/she still has God to answer to - a God whom I hope we agree whose measuring stick does change or adjust according to human leanings. One of the foremost bullet-points used in the argument for homosexuality is that they are not 'harming' or 'hurting' anyone else so therefore its okay. Certain actions 'hurt' the collective sensitivity of a society, sometimes enough for the society to institure laws against it - part of what I meant by societies determining what is/is not moral for themselves.

Uyi Iredia:
My (tentative) conclusion is this there are absolute morals (be good, love e.t.c) which almost all humans subscribe but that this however doesn't preclude humanity one from venturing into total decadence while holding such decadence to be good or bad (e.g Hitler, this case and the curious case of Ted Bundy). Ted Bundy was a necrophiliac and serial killer who admitted that what he did was wrong but he couldn't help himself. I empathize with Ted to some extent.

Nicely put in this paragraph, though I would adjust that to say "a good portion of humans subscribe" rather than "almost all humans subscribe".

JeSoul:
Anyways, an action/behavior is immoral to the extent a/the society defines.

Deep Sight:
I am not certain that I agree there. Societies have been known to sanction as good many obviously reprehensible things whilsts condemning as evil many perfectly innocuous things.

Uyi Iredia:
Careful ! Suppose necrophiliacs come out of hiding (I'm sure there more of them) and become advocate the acceptance of their practice in a manner similar to that of gays, and we find Christians supporting that, what would be your reaction ?

I should re-phrase: an action/behavior is immoral to the extent a/the society defines accepts - and I'm approaching this moreso from a societal view than a personal one. What is immoral for me is certainly not determined by the opinions of >51% of my society. And DS, your second sentence, I don't disagree with.

Long time though. How's life coming along.

Life is coming along just wonderfully, we thank God for undeserved mercies. And I hope yours has been beyond expectations .

Deep Sight:
Before i make any comments let me place a disclaimer: my belief is that bodies of the deceased should be treated with respect and dignity

I couldn't share this belief more.

Having said that: let us assume, only for the sake of principled debate (in order to set out the boundaries of morality lucidly) - let us assume - that the dead body - is what it appears to be - a completely lifeless vessel that has no effect whatsoever on either the soul that inhabited it, or its evironment.

If this assumption were to hold true - would it be immoral to engage in such as is described in the OP? Would it be any more immoral than carrying out similar acts against equally lifeless pillows or cushions?
I ask this question in light of the understanding of morality which comes from the point of view of doing nothing to harm any other person. Does the act described in the OP harm any other person?
If something harms no other person, can it be said to be immoral?

The act certainly does not physically harm anyone else, but does an act have to be physically hurtful in nature in order to be 'harmful'? our courts make room for those as well.

Nice info from everyone, things for me to keep in mind too for future africa vacations.
Roforofo, SirKay knows much more about the local hotels, I was just a tourist while he lives there so his info is sound. Have fun on your vacation, its great you're exposing your children to different cultures/countries, I think that is one of the most vital things you can do for a child - to travel & open their minds & expand their horizons.

Sir Kay:
@ JeSoul,

Life in Accra is exactly what my family and I had been dreaming of, until the opportunity came for us to relocate from Lagos in 2009 and since then we are loving it here. The country has potentials to be great, though with its flaws too. Things are better managed here than Naija.

Just curious, how did/do you manage with the language difference? or where you stay is more english than ga/twi? thanks!

My my, that is one disturbed woman.

Anyways, an action/behavior is immoral to the extent a/the society defines. What is scandalous in one part of the world is perfectly normal in another. The part you highlighted is eerily similar to the argument used to argue in favor of homosexuality. If anything, it shows us the problem of accepting otherwise suspect behavior solely on the basis of "its make me feel good" & "its who I am, I can't change it".

Sir Kay:
@ JeSoul,

Nice contribution. You are right with your traffic observation, like you've said, it's better managed than in Lagos. Most of the tourist sites like Akosombo Princess Dodi Cruise ship (trip to Dodi Island on the cruise boat for a return trip of 5hrs, with LIVE band/buffet served on board), Elmina Castle (where slave trade took place), Kakum National Park (where the canopy walk in the bush is) and Hans Cottage Botel (Live Corcs are seen here) to mention a few, are outside Accra, thus limiting time spent in traffic.

There are couple of nice hotels within Osu, East Legon and Spintex Road, that are still within the range of $60 - $80 per night, but within Tema metropolis, decent hotels there are not as expensive as in the heart of Accra.

Nice! Cool info. If the poster ends up choosing Ghana I'm sure you'll be a great resource for him and his family. I ended up spending much of my time outside of Accra seeing places like Elmina, the village on the water etc. While most took hours to get to honestly the roads were in excellent condition to my suprise. And even when leaving some of those places very late we still felt relatively safe on the roads.

You must be loving living in Ghana. Great country, welcoming people, charming culture, plenty of room to grow, but definitely headed in the right direction.