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have mercy Lord

which tribe does magun in naija?

Kobojunkie:
What do you mean by that?

You mean if you were a 15 year old girl, found yourself pregnant and with no man, if hawking oranges turned out to be the only job you could get to raise money, you would not take it?

If your mother told you that since you are out of school because of the pregnancy, you could help out by hawking, you would not?

I really do not get your point.

YOU ARE BECOMING AN ARGUMENT JUNKIE

CHECK THIS http://www.usig.org/countryinfo/laws/Nigeria/International%20Reporter%20-%20NIGERIA.pdf

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bionic:
over the wekend it was that shola shobowale, the popular yoruba actress, known for role as Toyin Tomato in the TV drama super story. was said to have been beheaded alogside the other Ngerian convicted of drug trafficking in saudi arabia.
i don't know if anyoe has information as regards this startling news.sola shobowale has been out of circulationboth in the society and in te movie industry, hence the rumore that she was serving time in jail in either england or saudi arabia.
please how true is this story?

what if this is not true? naija rumour and easy money. God help us

spikedcylinder:
Where is the face na?

click on the link and see the ugly fool http://www.tribune.com.ng/28112008/tue/crime3.html

Please God help us from self destruction

AMAKAONE:
Kai!!

If she felt so strongly about not getting married when pregnant then why did she do the do? or is it immaculate conception?


Is church wedding more important than a human life?

Christians of nowadays ,

Christians of nowadays or Christ users of nowadays. have mercy dear Lord

how do people get to this level of evil and criminality at just 19?

Face of 19-yr-old mother who specialises in smearing her underwear, private part with semen to nail her victims

Olalekan Olabulo, Lagos - updated: Tuesday 18-11-2008


The alleged blackmailer,
Blessing OkekeThe long arms of the law have caught up with a lady who have in the past been extorting money from innocent men in Lagos State after she might have got them arrested by the police on allegation of rape. The lady had in the past perfected this act of blackmail with medical reports confirming male semen stains on her body and underwear. How she went about this has continued to be shrouded in mystery to some of her victims who had preferred to settle the matter out of court.

Blessing Okeke, a 19-year-old mother of a two-year- old girl, greatly proved wrong the usual saying that “appearance shows the manner.” She looks very naive and her sense of dressing will be taken for a reverend sister who just graduated from the monastery. The earrings on her two ears depict simplicity and she harmless looks as gentle as a dove Her long-sleeve shirt and skirt portrayed her as what the people would call” a born again sister,” yet her offence is very grave.

Blessing Okeke, whom the police later discovered to be using a fake name was a few days ago arrested by men of Alade divisional police station in Shomolu, Lagos State, after preliminary investigations had revealed that she had wrongly accused two innocent men of raping her. A female police officer had discovered some condoms suspected to have been taken from a brothel by the suspect to smear her underwear with the male semen in the used condom.

The suspect had reported the two men of hypnotizing her before she was raped in turn by the duo . In her statement to the police, she claimed to have gone to the Shomolu branch of one of the new generation banks when she fell prey to her alleged rapists. According to report, she had around 7.00am gone to the bank only to see that the bank had not opened for operation. She further stated that she was standing outside the bank’s premises in the rain when a man who lived very close to the bank invited her to stay away from the rain

She further claimed that her supposed benefactor, unknown to her, had “poisoned” the soft drink that was given to her and all that she remembered when she woke up was that the two men in the house had in turn had carnal knowledge of her.

She also accused the men of stealing her Nokia N series mobile phone valued at N16 000, and 20 000 naira.

But unconvinced by the incoherent statement from the suspect, a female police officer searched her handbag and to the surprise of everybody around, condoms, a medical report issued by MAN Centre Divisional Police station and a cheque book with the name Nnena Okoye and an identity card of Lagos State University Teaching Hospital (LASUTH) were found in the bag. The contents of the bag led the policemen at Alade Division to MAN centre divisional police station where it was revealed that Blessing had a day before her arrest, accused two workers of a hotel of raping and succeeded in making the the owner of the hotel paid her N10, 500

The police at MAN centre explained the story Okeke told them when she came complaining of being raped. According to Okeke, she closed from her church which is located at the Ikeja area and because it rained, there was no vehicle. She further claimed to have gone to a friend's house with the intention of passing the night since it was getting late, but the person was not at home. She was walking along the road, contemplating what to do next, when a car suddenly stopped by her side. They negotiated the price and the man took her to a guest house. They paid for an hour.

Twenty minutes later, the man walked out, leaving Okeke inside. After an hour, the two persons she claimed raped her, who were the only staff on duty that night, went to urge her to leave since the time they paid for had expired. She pleaded with them that they should allow her spend the night but they refused.

Okeke later came out and stood pitifully at the gate of the hotel, until the men took pity on her and allowed her to spend the night. The next morning, the men were carrying out early morning chores when Okeke walked out after greeting them. The next they knew was that Okeke appeared the next minutes, flanked by policemen. They however arrested the men on a charge of rape.

She was taken to a medical doctor, who actually admitted that there were sperm stains on her pant. A female police bought her a new and asked to submit the old for medical analysis to know if the sperm was that of either of the men, but Okeke threw a tantrum. Tension later mounted when the owner of the guest house arrived. He vouched for the honesty of his men, but accepted to pay the money Okeke requested as a prerequisite to drop the case.

The suspect while speaking with newsmen described the two rape incidents in which she claimed to be the victim as two different things The suspect who claimed to be a resident of 18 Oluwaseyi Street Ijaiye Agege, a false address, insisted that the men in Somolu really raped her, though she did not know when and how.

In her words “I was actually raped, they were two that raped me, I don't know what the police is trying to do. I was the one that went to report the case.” The suspect who has conflicting reports on her parents had in her statement with the police claimed that her parents lived in Jakande Estate, but later informed journalists that her father and mother were separated

The image maker in charge of the state police command, Frank Mba, while speaking on the incident stated said it was fraudulent and immoral for Blessing to be using her body as instrument of blackmail.

He stated that the police in the state will ensure that all hidden facts on the false accusation by Blessing were exposed He also counselled men to be careful, adding that all men should be weary and conscious of the antics of unscrupulous young ladies who go around looking for men to fall into their traps using medical evidence to back up their claims. http://www.tribune.com.ng/28112008/tue/crime3.html

this Guy:
Go through Abuja, its less frightening than Lagos 

going through abuja is not a good option if you have to fly to benin.  flights are irregular so you may have to go by road which is not worth it. i did it once and didnt like it.  i wish i stayed in the hotel till i got a flight. plus be prepared to be shocked  by the state of the roads.

don't they allow dual citizenship in germany?

yemmyse:
JJBOY

All 3 pregnant, u re a suspect.

yea yea. not same day. saw 2 at iwo road junction and the other at a petrol station still selling ground nuts about. it broke my heart some idiot can sleep with a child let alone family still allow a pregnant child go selling things about. we need help in that country

lonelypal:
whats ur point bro, ?
this is a sensitive issue, u should mind the words u use here,

or you start your own war in ilorin?

how does akwa ibom equals nigeria?

michelin89:
@ topic

Make those girls go seat down. there is big difference between a privates and a pussy and if they chose the latter it's simply because they have always dreamt of it.

perverted  twisted mind caused it. some said they went for deliverance from lesbianism without telling the "deliverer" they wanted to be delivered from the spirit of homosexuality. you can see how much they wanted the deliverance.

Kobojunkie:
I am not sure I agree.

you are not required to agree with me but can i refer you to uche2nna's note below

Uche2nna:
Also, U got to be careful when sending any kid to hawk.

Some females have been put in the family way in the name of hawking. Trust lascivious market men!!!

trust morally bankrupt nigerian men to take advantage of vulnerable young people.  i was shocked to see 3 young girls hawking in ibadan last year definately below 15. ALL 3 pregnant.

evil

Hotstepper:
@JJYOU, r u in Nigeria because I did like u to attend ma NGO project event in Lagos on the 15th of Dec.

sorry i am not in nigeria. wish you luck with the project. thanks for doing good

Kobojunkie:
are you sure hawking is to blame for that?

it over expose them to it.

Lord have mercy

really being bold. how very fortunate

living in sin

[b]Police nab 3 over robbery …Step up[/b]
manhunt for fleeing members
By MATTHEW DIKE
Thursday, November 27, 2008
• The suspects
Photo: Sun News Publishing

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Three robbery suspects, who allegedly attacked some Lagos residents, including popular musicians have been nabbed by police operatives.

The three suspects, who were members of a five-man robbery gang, were arrested by anti-robbery policemen attached to the Ogudu Division, as the suspects emerged from a bushy swamp beside Alapere-Oworonsoki Road.

When a search was carried out on them, a mock gun constructed with stick and rubber was recovered from the suspects identified, as Ndubuisi Ogala, Chijioke Tagbo and Obinna Okafor.

An identity card, belonging to Mr. Jayeola Samson was also allegedly found on the suspects. Daily Sun gathered that Samson, who rejoiced over his found identity card, narrated how the robbers attacked him and the band leader, Seyi Lewis, popularly known as Alapanla, where they were performing with other members of the band.

Samson disclosed that besides the ID card, he also lost N36, 000 to the bandits, who he said laid ambush for them on the Alapere-Oworonsoki Road.
“They were holding guns. They surrounded our vehicle and snatched all our money and carted away our handsets. They also stole handsets belonging to occupants of another car, which included a popular musician known as Alapanla,” Samson said.

Tagbo, 24, who claimed to be a native of Enugu State, said he only robbed with the two suspects twice. The suspect also claimed it was one Emeka Okeke, who introduced him into crime.
Okafor, 29, a native of Anambra State, also claimed it was Tagbo, who introduced him into the crime world, adding that he only operated twice with the gang.

On his part, Ogala, 23, from Anambra State, said he only robbed once. “I want people to forgive me because this one is a mistake. I came to Lagos in January this year,” he said.
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/crimewatch/2008/nov/27/crimewatch-27-11-2008-001.htm

kunle this matter still dey give you night mares.  se what people said in linda's blog

ababoypart2 said,
I don't buy the con, so I dont give

November 13, 2008 12:19 PM


Anonymous said,
Hey Linda.

i 100% believe in it, let me just give u a little example from, last saturday i lost £250, the following sunday i got a ticket fine for parking on a doulble yellow line and monday i went through a no entry zon ewith all tcket and fine coming up to £180. all the people i told there was only one question they asked "are you paying your tithe?" and which i have not being paying for the last couple of months due to the credit cruch. so i believe in it and iif you hve the opportunity to do so, u should pay your tithe too, because god will repay it back in million time and more doors will also open for u.
Also can i say is what you are saying if you are a christian is you don't believe in bible or jesus, because it is the bible, that you should give 10% of you income and earnings.
that's all i have to say, its up to u to decide if you want to pay it or not.

November 13, 2008 1:10 PM


Jayjazzy said,
Hi u, I strongly believe in the concept of tithing, it works and trust me it isnt a lie, even for those who dont really believe in God, tithing works. When i was in school and i would have this not too much allowance, i would still try to pay and i rarely lacked that period, it was crazy. and oops scary picture, we need to be grateful for life

November 13, 2008 1:34 PM


Gloria said,
Linda, i am not a Pastor but since you asked, i'm giving you my personal opinion as a Christian. I also used to struggle with tithing initially until i realised that if i died today, i'd be unable to even enjoy the mere 10% of the money that i was trying to protect in the first place.

God has instructed us to tithe, so we should. If we think deeply about it, God is only asking for 10% of our earnings so we have the other 90% to keep. He also said that if you tithe, He would open the windows of Heaven and bless you so much that you would not have enough room to take it in (Malachi 3:10-12). God cannot lie, so i believe Him.

Abraham tithed (Genesis 14:20) and God blessed him very much. He was one of the richest people in the bible (Genesis:13:2) and he still went to Heaven. So he was rich both on earth and now in Heaven.

I know there are people that argue that pastors use our money for personal gain yada yada, but my own stance is that i am giving my tithes and offerings to God, so as far as i am concerned, i have no business with what happens to the money after i have given it. God did not appoint me to investigate what pastors are doing with my money. We should let God be the judge of that.

Take care

November 13, 2008 1:41 PM


9ja's OT said,
tithe is God's commandment not an option, it does not matter if you beleive in it or not. if you do it He will prosper you more than you can imagine!! just 10% of your total earnings

November 13, 2008 2:53 PM


~Mimi~ said,
Tithing is a requirement if one says one is a Christian i.e. a follower of Christ, because it is there in the bible, and one may say it is in the Old testament but there are cases in the new testatament where offerings (which i believe included tithes)were given, also

Tithing is an avenue of opening up the blessings of God.

Malachi 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

I guess it just all boils down to how much of the bible one believes or not.

November 13, 2008 3:08 PM


Bukky said,
No you are not a bad person but you are ignorant on spiritual principles. Let me show you a more excellent way.
Giving of Tithes (10% of your income or increase) and offerings are ways of showing God that you appreciate and honour Him for being your provider and life giver; that you also trust him to bless the remaining 90% of your income.
See Mal 3:10-12 (Please read). Paying tithes has its blessings
1. The windows of heaven (divine ideas, provisions) things that money can not buy are guaranteed to you.
2. The Lord will rebuke the devourer (such as sickness, unexpected/ unnecessary expenses, hole in pockets e.t.c) for your sake.
As a UK residence i pay my taxes and you can pay 14%, 17% or 25% depending on if you are a low income earner or a high earner.

In conclusion, just as much as taxes have their benefits(good roads, healthcare, good educational system etc, so paying tithes have its spiritual/ financial benefits as well. Try it and prove the Lord and he will show himself strong on your behalf.

To pay your tithes, make sure it is paid in your home church where you are being nourished spiritually.

I have been doing it since i was 16years old in Nigeria, i'm now 32yrs with my family in the UK and God has been faithfull over the years.

Regards,
Bukky

November 13, 2008 3:24 PM


Anonymous said,
HI girl!
Do u believe in God? Do you understand how he works? Do you understand why the sun shines when it does and why He chose to bring you into the world when He did? many questions, The awesomeness of God is beyond human comprehension. When God says we should give our tithe, it is not because He needs ur money. Tithe is meant to cater for the needy and the fatherless in the church. Paying my tithe has brought numerous blessings on my life because i keyed into the promise of God that He would rebuke the destroyer for my sake if i paid my tithe (its in the book of Malachi). My belief is that everything i have comes from God so my tithe does not hurt my pocket. However, everything you do must be because U believe.

November 13, 2008 3:28 PM


Anonymous said,
I forgot to add that u shd be open to God's Word. Research on the Scriptures URSELF. Go through scriptures that have to do with tithes. Bless you!

November 13, 2008 3:42 PM


Russell Earl Kelly, PHD said,
1. Post-Calvary Christian giving principles in Second Corinthians are superior to tithing. (1) Giving is a "grace.” (2) Give yourself to God first. (3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will. (4) Give in response to Christ’s gift. (5) Give out of a sincere desire. (6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7). (7) Give beyond your ability. ( Give to produce equality. (9) Give joyfully (8:2). (10) Give because you are growing spiritually. (11) Give to continue growing spiritually. (12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached.

2. Abraham's tithed in Genesis 14 in obedience to pagan tradition. (1) He did not "freely" give. (2) His was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land by God’s holy people under God’s holy Covenant. (3) His was only from pagan spoils of war required in many nations. (4) In Num. 31, God required 1% of spoils. (5) His tithe to his priest-king was a one-time event. (6) Not from his personal property. (7) Kept nothing for himself. ( Is not quoted to endorse tithing. (9) Most commentaries explain 14:21 as pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of 14:21 as pagan, while insisting the 10% of 14:20 was obedience to God’s will. (10) If Abraham were an example for Christians to give 10%, he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom! (11) As priests, neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support; they probably left food for the poor at their altars.

3. Although money was common and essential for worship for over 1500 years, biblical tithes were always only food increased by God from inside Israel (Lev. 27:30, 32; see site for all 16 texts).

4. Since only farmers and herdsmen tithed, there was no minimum standard requirement for most. Tradesmen such as carpenters (Jesus), Peter (fishermen) and Paul (tentmakers) did not qualify as tithe-payers. The poor and Gentiles did not tithe.

5. Tithing was only commanded to national Israel under the terms of the Old Covenant. Tithing was never commanded to the Church after Calvary (Ex 19:5-6; Lev 27:34; Mal 4:4; Mt 23:23 matters of the law).

6. Those who received the first whole tithe did not minister atonement (Num. 18:21-24; Neh10:37b). Priests only received 1% (a tenth of the tithe) (Num 18:25-28; Neh 10:38).

7. In exchange for receiving tithes, both Levites and priests forfeited all rights to permanent land inheritance inside Israel (Num. 18:20-26).

8. Firstfruits are not the same as tithes. Firstfruits were a very small token offering (Deu 26:1-4; Neh 10:35-37; Num 18:13-17). Tithes were the tenth and not the best; only 1% of the tithes included the best (Lev. 27:32, 33).

9. There were 4 O.T. tithes: (1) Government taxes (1 Sam 8:14-17). (2) Levitical (Num. 18:21-28; Neh. 10:37-39). (3) Festival (Deu 12:1-19; 14:22-26). (3) Poor tithe every 3rd year (Deu 14:28-29; 26:12-13).

10. Tithes were often taxes used to support Levite [politicians (1 Chron, chap 23 to 26; esp 23:2-5; 26:29-32; 27:5). Tithes never supported mission work (Ex 23:32; Heb 7:12-18).

11. OT Levitical tithes were brought first to the Levitical cities and not to the Temple (Num 18; Neh 10:37-39; 2 Chron 31:15-19). Most Levites required tithes in their Levitical cities where 98% stayed (Num 35, Josh 20, 21).

12. Malachi 3 is the most abused tithing text in the Bible. (1) Malachi is OT and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing. (2) Tithes are still only food. (3) His audience reaffirmed the OT curses (Neh.10:28-29). (4) The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law (Deu 28:12, 23-24; Gal 3:10/Deu 27:26). (5) “You” in Malachi refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (1:6-14; 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5). (6) The “whole” tithe never went to the Temple! (Neh 10:37b). (7) The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation. ( The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included. (9) The “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms (Neh 13:5, 9). (9) “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.

13. The OT Temple and priesthood have been replaced by the priesthood of every believer. NT elders and pastors more closely resemble OT prophets who were not supported by tithes.

14. Tithing was not legalized as a church law until AD 777. If was not introduced as a local regional law until the 6th century. See any reputable encyclopedia.

15. NT giving principles are: freewill, sacrificial, generous, joyful, not by commandment or percentage and motivated by love for God and lost souls.

From the book, Should the Church Teach Tithing?
www.tithing-russkelly.com russell-kelly@att.net

November 13, 2008 5:04 PM


Anonymous said,
Hello Linda how r u?

ok first of, NO u r not a bad person for not paying thites lol,

d thing is if u believe in God or are a practicing xtian then u r expected to pay ur thites. there are sooooooo many verses in d bible that command us 2 pay our thites and if u believe in Gods word (i mean every word of it) then we hve to pay our thites

but i think we xtians (esp me lol) tend to do selective bible readin where we choose parts of the bible to follow that suit us or does not take us out of our comfort zone (u knw wat i mean abi) but we shouldnt do this

more so, if u really think about it at d end of d day everything we own belongs to God in d first place and HE is so kind that he asks us to keep 90% of his wealth and give him back only 10% and not only that HE goes on to add soooooo much more blessings to what we already have, malachi 3: 10 says "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my temple. if u do says the Lord of Heavens army, I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you wont have room enough to contain it"

so put God to d test and encourage urself to thite, cheerfully lol
mwah xxxxxxxxxxxx

November 13, 2008 5:08 PM


Anonymous said,
Like you, I dont believe in giving tithes, God doesnt need anyone's money and I personally believe that he hasn't like the tax man, placed a percentage of one's earnings that he prefers for you to part with to show 'gratitude & reverence' to him, i think its good to give but not necessarily to the 'church', loving your neighbour as urself and doing the best u can do for ppl in need is true service to God and man and not the imposed tax by the church on your earnings, even giving offering in church for me is unnecessary. i'ld rather feed the hungry and give the needy than put my money in 'offering' to God during a church service, its all fake and eye service if u ask me, not surprising that ppl think i'm nuts and i will go to 'hell'! as if money ever bought anyone a ticket to heaven! lol

November 13, 2008 6:34 PM


Anonymous said,
I think it's a personal decision. What don't you believe in? You must have seen it in the bible. Or are you saying you don't understand why you should give up 10% of what's yours to God, when he doesnt really need the money?
The same bible says "give it shall be given unto u, "and all the rest it says.

Titles are used for the work of God. You dont expect God to send physical cash from heaven( drop like manna)to do stuff for the church do it. It's used for church repairs, payn church workers, printing booklets and most stuff d church will use money for.

Some pple think "oh that my red eyed(greed) pastor and his flashy wife will use my money to better themselves". I give and ask God to use for the advancement of his word.Whatever the church uses it for is their business. And God blesses me immeasurably whenever I pay tithes.

November 13, 2008 7:50 PM


Anonymous said,
Wow,I made first!At first I didnt want to make my comment,wanted to come back on a latter because of the , "Tithe Offering",
Anyways,as a Christian and believe so much in it,it is a must for everyone both christians and non-christians apart must take part,not everything,that's why He didnt ask of all of it(because He knows it will be difficult) but just one-tenth of it to say Thank You Lord for this month and for giving and providing me with this.
But as per you,I dont think u are wrong(dont have to judge u),since u dont believe in it but I advice u do because it's anoda way of thanking God and wat can we do that will be enuf for God,so ,think about it and start now and the funny thing is,There is Always a Reward for Paying Your Tithe.
Take care and keep doing wat u know how to do best,luv ya!


Oluwayemisi

November 13, 2008 7:54 PM


Anonymous said,
Please take the picture down.

November 13, 2008 8:28 PM


InCogNaija said,
i believe in tithing, i think when you give, you receive. Even circular organizations are taping into that now,
it doesnt make u a bad person that u dont do it, but you can receive more if and when you do.

November 13, 2008 8:30 PM


KAM BABY said,
Its a miracle little Rachael still alive. But oh my, wat a gory sight! I'm tempted to ask u to have mercy and take it down, but i wont. I think i'll save it on my computer so that whenever i see it, i will seriously thank God for my life.Here i am complaining about the little headaches i have in the mornings, and the fact that my tummy has started coming out when a girl as little as that is going through so much suffering. Thank you father for my life, and i pray you visit Rach and do something 'bout her condition.

Now about tithes

I pay once in a while, but that dosen't mean i dont believe in it. Those few times i pay, God showers me with blessings, and i'm always aware that it's as a result of my tithe. My sister pays her tithe regularly, and i tell u the truth, Malachai 3:10&11 happens in her life, she dosen't have room anymore to recieve the blessings God pours out on her.

Infact, there's no need for long 'tory. Try it oneday and see u'll testify!

November 13, 2008 9:33 PM


Anonymous said,
I don't believe in tithing either. The idea that you have to give exactly 10% every time regardless of your situation to a house of God is just something that the Holy men of those days just made up. Last month I gave a large sum of money to a friend to help her out, and the pastor still expects me to give him 10% of my salary, not happening. I think that you can give whatever amount you feel like giving, as long as it is from your heart, and it doesn't have to be to the church, it could be to a friend or family member in need.

Jesus said we should love others, treat them the way we want to be treated, and that is all that matters. Tithing is not a cardinal rule of mine

November 13, 2008 9:43 PM


Anonymous said,
Tithe and offering is to one's own benefit, it doesn't make God any richer. The reason for it is for the running and upkeep of the church and to help the needy, and also for the well-being of church workers. Think about it, if no one pays their tithes and offering, how will church buildings be built/rent paid for?How will equipments, chairs etc be bought? who will pay the salary of full-time pastors? how will the needy in the church/society be catered for? etc,
Check Malachi:3:8-12,
Not giving ur tithe and offering is robbing God according to the scripture, and it also prevents u from fully maximizing ur potentials esp. financially. Personally, i have seen God's wonderous promises come to pass for me because i tithe and give offerings, some pple say they wont give because the funds r sometimes misused, well that is not my business to judge, lest i misjudge, let God judge them that do so, all thats important is that u've done ur own part, and u'll still receive ur blessings regardless. I cant count how many times God has mysteriously provided me money from nowhere wen i am in need of it, i'm talkn of serious money o!, and in really mysterious ways like money appearing in my account from nowhere even after verifying with the bank and proving that it wasn't a mistake on the bank's part, this has happened to me twice this yr, the first was $3,000 and the second $300, not to mention the numerous favor of God thru pple, I tell u, giving is to one's own benefit, it really opens up the windows of heaven in ur favor in a way u will not believe!, "give and it shall be given unto. Good measure; pressed down, shaken and runneth over shall men receive!", The head and tail of the story is that if u take care of God(i.e. his ministry), he will take care of u too, even more!

PS: even my plane ticket to naija was a mystery on its own, i fasted and prayed, reminding God of my tithing and offering, challenging him to fulfill his promises, and that same day someone paid for it!, we're talkn $1,400 o!, this was at a time wen i had not even a shi-shi, totally broke, God is not a joke, and his word is not either!

Nma

November 13, 2008 10:39 PM


Healthynaija said,
Thanks for your post Linda, your blog is a joy to follow. Anyway, I grew up tithing and have tried my best to tithe to the best of my ability. It is a Biblical principle that I think Christians should try and follow, I understand that some Churches take advantage of peoples tithes(that's why we should try to find a good Word based Church, so our tithes can be used to reach out to people, provide for communities and do things that the Church will have to do in place of the government).
In Malachi 3, it says " Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it".
I don't tithe for reward sake but I promise you there have been times that all I had in my bank account was my tithe amount and I tithed(sp?) and God really showed up for me. This is just my opinion though like you asked, sorry I didn't mean to get preachy. God bless you and your magazine and all your future endeavors. Have a great day.

November 14, 2008 1:13 AM


Anonymous said,
well, with regards to ur tithe offering, the truth is clear. the bible says it all-without faith, it is impossible to please God. i really dunno y u dnt believe in tithe offering, but ma dear, if u really believe in the bible and u believe in God, then i fink it should be d whole of it nd not part of it. ma dear, u cnt choose wat to believe in the bible nd wat not to believe-u r either in or out.and for ur best interest, i find you shld consider the benefits of tithe offering.the mistake we all make is we fink we are paying our tithe to God. He owns all things already. we are just giving Him back a 10th of wat He owns already as honour and thanksgiving.at the end of the day, its for our good cus den He opens the windows of heaven unto us. please do not make the mistake of limiting the blessings of tithe offering to monetary terms alone.think abt the spiritual battles dat are fought for us,the favour,unconditional love of God,grace,mercy,and even life itself. for all these, dnt you fink a 10th of wat u earn is even too small.

November 14, 2008 1:40 AM


Anonymous said,
In regards to tithing, from my opinion it all depends on your faith.
Personally i tithe because it has made me understand that not only will i constantly receive uncommon blessings it also stops the enemy from interfering with my finances which could either be through poverty, hospital bills, business loss that involves huge sums of money.
Also tithing makes us learn how to be good givers and greatful to God. Some may argue this but like i initially said it depends on ur faith.

November 14, 2008 1:49 AM


Anonymous said,
Linda read malachi 3: 8-12, all u need to know about tithing is stated clearly in that verse
wendu

November 14, 2008 2:07 AM


Nikky said,
hey Linda! on the issue of tithe and offering, that's a delicate issue n i think it depends on personal conviction and the belief each individual has about it.but one thing is that when we believe it or not, it's a principle in the bible that God says we should pay tithe with the promise that we should try him and see if He would not open the windows of heaven and rebuke the devourer for our sake.so for this reason i stive to pay my tithe and i pray with expectation on it, and i can happily say that i get results.that's my opinion.

November 14, 2008 2:26 AM


Paris said,
i dont believe in it either and i'm like the most generous person u'll ever meet.
there's 2much corruption in the world and i'll be damned if my money is making some man of God cruising around in expensive cars, flying 1st class around d world and building mansions when people are suffering.

i'll gladly donate that money 2 charity and know where my money is going 4 real.
besides isn't that sumtn in the old testament?? Only in naija

November 14, 2008 2:49 AM


Paris said,
oh and that lil kid pic is so sad. it's been circulating the net for months now.

November 14, 2008 2:49 AM


Anonymous said,
Hey Linda, I don't have a problem with tithe, but I just have a problem with greedy pastors, who have manipulated and taken the bible out of context to get money from the congregation. I give not based on what any pastor says or any traditions, I give coming from my heart, doesn't even matter how much but I try to give HIM my best, because God deserves it all. All these pastors bother so much about how much people should give or how they should give etc and not even mention anything about how our lifestyle should be pleasing to God. Mehn, I've been going through so much, and I was so down today, crying, and even to the point of wishing I was dead or should die. But while all these thoughts was running through my mind, I kept hearing, be thankful and grateful that you have all your organs correct and you are still alive, because there are people out there who don't have, and are thankful to be alive. We are busy getting frustrated, angry, sad, depressed about what we don't have, and we forget to be thankful for what we have which is life, and been able to wake up every morning. The pic of the little just brought tears to my eyes, and I will definitely keep her in my prayers.

November 14, 2008 5:06 AM


World Famous Simon Seez said,
I'm sure u know whats the right thing to do, i miss payin it sometimes which is bad, but not ti pay at all and not to believe in it is not right,

give God whats due him,

November 14, 2008 7:46 AM


Linda Ikeji said,
I don't mind giving out 10% of my earnings, I really dont mind. God has blessed me so much, but I'm not comfortable giving it to the church, they have too much already. Is it ok to give it to the needy? Is that not tithe?

November 14, 2008 8:35 AM


Nikky said,
hey linda! in response to ur comment.tithe is different from church offering and it's also different from what you give to charity.i do all those things.but the harder one for me to do is tithing,and i keep striving to do it but whenever i do it, God blesses me according to what i ask for and more.i used to think it wasn't fair for a student to be paying tithe, but since i tried it i think i prefer to pay than not to.the kind of rewards i get are not understandable and unexplainable.try it and see.don't even bother concerning urself with whether the church ahs enough or more already.just do it, and u can still continue to give to charity.it just means more blessings.there are certain and different rewards for each.trust me its important

November 14, 2008 9:25 AM


Sykik said,
Dearie,

I also don't want to preach however, God's commandment about tithe is explicit.Malachi 3:10 says it should be brought into his storehouse. I am sure your church has a welfare team who donates to the needy and the less priviledged. Anything you as a person gives to the needy is not tithe. Also like Gloria pointed out earlier, obey God and not bother yourself about whether the church needs it or not. You are givig it to God and not the church, it is God that rewards/blesses and not the church.

November 14, 2008 9:38 AM


Anonymous said,
Linda dear, like I said before, like u, I dont believe in tithing.As we all know, God never came down to write the bible and it was written by ppl 'inspired' by God, as we also know, the bible was used as a political tool to control ppl and kings modified its contents to serve their personal goals, some ppl here are saying to withold tithe is 'wrong'! i hate it when religious apologists utter such drivel, who died and made them judge? nothing is this world is absolute except God thus there is nothing that is fundamentally wrong or right, that one believes in something doesn't make it 'right' or 'wrong',

anyway, i digress, giving is always good, and no, it doesn't have to be to the church, left to me, the church shud be the last place money is given in charity, the church has even become more corrupt than most govt ministries in nigeria, giving with a happy heart, free from coercion and doing the best u can for ur fellow man (in both word,thought & deed -financially & otherwise) is IMO what God expects from us and not a mandatory 10% of ur earnings to be given to HIS church! BOLLOCKS!

at the end of the day, u must do what u are most comfortable with, and i admire the fact that u are one of the few born-christians that is not afraid to question biblical reasoning rather than swallow whatever is fed to by mr pastor hook, line and sinker, u are on the path to true spiritual greatness and would like u to know today that u intuition is GOD speaking to you (no, he didnt stop speaking directly to us after adam and eve! lol) and that my friend is more reliable than anything the bible can ever tell u (which altho hold some truth & wisdom, remains secondary information)

Bottomline; go with ur gut feeling!

November 14, 2008 1:33 PM


Anonymous said,
Miss Linda, it seems my comments were not published. Anyways, Peronally, you can give to the needy if you do not want to give to the church, It is all about the sincerity from your heart. Personally i have been giving my tithe to the less privilege, to those on the streets or even the blind people.

November 14, 2008 2:34 PM


Anonymous said,
It all depends, my tithe often goes to the less privilege not the church, In as much as its 10percent i believe its going out to God.
I give my tithe to the poor i do not see it as charity donation or offering, it is between myself and my God who sees indepthly that i have seperated the money uno him. And just like you feel Linda, i feel the same way about giving to he church personally because i feel there are those out there wo need money and they cannot afford it yet i believe my giving them my tithe would help alleviate their sufferings. In other words, i feel tithing should not be limited to church only. After alll in the Genesis, Abraham gave his one tenth offering otherwise known as tithe to MELCHIZEDEK AND Melchizedeck was a Priest.
Linda iike i said oooo, its the sincerity and genuineness of your heart of paying your tithe that matters, I hope this helps, Love always your blog fan.

November 14, 2008 2:44 PM


Nollywood Forever said,
Is that really a real picture? I'm in shock!

November 14, 2008 4:37 PM


SET said,
If you believe the Boble you have to believe in tithing as well. You may not do it but its a truth once its in the Bible. I give to others, church, orphanage, someone in need or so, i dont subject myself to paying every month but I do frequently throughout the year. One day I hope I can do it all the time.

November 14, 2008 5:11 PM


Anonymous said,
May God bless that child and heal her according to his will.

Being frank, it is clear that God blesses in many ways, not strictly finance, so also tithing must not be strictly finance and must not always go to your local church, give your time, effort to charity, help the needy, be your neighbours keeper. Those are what each will be judged on, not by the 10% each contributes to church.

I know people who are these things and are blessed in the true sense, again it saddens to note that Nigerians particularly associate blessing with money.

Tithe as your soul guides you,not according to the interpretation and dictates of 'hungry' Pastors

Pete

November 14, 2008 5:16 PM


Nikky said,
i would like to add one thing, i think the issues of 'fake pastors' , chuch spending money, most esp.in Nigeria are over exaggerated and generalized.if u read passages in the bible that discuss tithing, i believe they were pretty precise and straight to the point.there are also other parts of the bible that discuss offerings,charity donations.charity giving, offering n tithe are different thns.pls do not interpret the bible in ways that would fit ONLY ur thinking and mentality.there r some parts in the bible that u can interpret in multiple ways, but i believe the one about tithe was precise enough for anyone to read n know that it should be paid directly to church as tithe!do not obsessively or overly concern urself with wat is being done with the tithe, cos thats when a wrong spirit starts giving u stupid ideas and suggestions on y u shouldnt pay tithe, remember the enemy enemy wants to deny u of ur blessings as much as possible.i;m not sayn u shouldnt be concerned on how ur tithe is being spent, but pls do no try to reason for God.pay tithe to the church where u r constantly being groomed n nourished spiritually n if ur pastor does the wrong thing with ur tithe, i believe God is powerful enough to deal with such pastor and still bless u!remember Tithe is a covenant that attracts covenant blessings!

November 14, 2008 6:29 PM


Anonymous said,
Hi Linda, i have another question to add to yours. I don't know if this is the same in other countries, but here in Canada, when you pay tithes, offering or whatever, u are supposed to put it in an envelope with ur name and address on the envelope, so that u can get a tax receipt from the church to file for income tax purposes. Is it okay to do this and if u do get some money back from the govt, are u still paying 10%? People who give to charity actually get a tax break for this, which is why SOME of them do.

November 14, 2008 7:55 PM


Paris said,
Interesting how every1 who pays tithes talks abt the rewards they get afterwards.
is that why ur paying it in the first instance? 2 receive more??
Not judging or anything because hey! 4 all i know, i may be wrong and u may be right.

however, most Churches like someone mentioned do what is called "building principles based on selective quotes from the bible."
That is why we have variety of churches under the same christian ideology. Meanwhile, i don't think it's the same in Islam.

As i was saying, they (d churches) tend to pick quotes that benefits them the most or represents their principles more and focus immensely on that portion of the bible. While most times, taking it out of context.
i know a man whose Big church organization is built on the principle that there is no such thing as sin and trust me he gets his quotes from the same bible.

In naija, u have 2 tie a scarf and not wear pants and all that stuff 2 go 2 church. Here in d states, they say, Jesus said come as you are.
i remember a certain time the popular Father Mbaka came here and i was expecting him 2 chase everyone out of the church since we were all there in pants and no head-ties. lol. I still ask, WHY D DOUBLE STANDARD??
Why are some things utterly wrong in Naija but seems okay here??
If u tell me that culture does not play a part in the building of a church then i'll show u a Liar. lol

I'm sorry, i tend 2 go with what my instincts tell me on pretty much anything in this life.

And someone mentioned other non-christian organizations following suit to the tithe rule??
Gee! y do u think?? b'cos MONEY (d root of evil) is INVOLVED! duhhhh Why else??

like i said b4, i'll gladly give 2 a charity or even a church that appears 2 be in need of it and not as a LAW that i should abide by.

Now when it comes to offerings, i dont bat an eye lid, maybe with exception 2 those churches that go all d way up to 7 collection, lol

when it comes 2 matters of religious beliefs, i try 2 stay clear b'cos i dont like 2 judge any1 and i don't like any1 judging me either. Do what feels right in ur heart.
like the saying goes, CHURCHIANITY IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Paying tithes does not necessarily make u a wonderful christian or person.

Why do i feel like this tithe issue is mainly practiced in developing countries?? there are not many churches in d western world that still practice it.

Afterall, Christianity did originate from the West,

November 14, 2008 8:16 PM


michelle said,
im michelle, nd i do think its a thing that must be done i mean paying tithes, its an honour to god.if god gives u without being worthy of it we shud at the same time give him: one tenth of it,i mean that aint to much, except we are tryna rob god. lets do as the bible tells us yall we got nothing to loose especially when it comes to GIVING!!!!!

November 14, 2008 9:19 PM


Anonymous said,
well, i'll tell you that tithing is entirely your own option it does not make God richer BUT if you want God to open the heavens and keep out the devourer then my dear TIHTHE, SIMPLE!

November 14, 2008 9:20 PM


Anonymous said,
It is a personal choice. As for the bible, it is a compilation of people's words as led by God (or so they believed)however let us be mindful that during the period the bible was compiled to the changes made by King James, there was not much seperation between church and state. So religion was used as a means of control as well as finacial gain by the church as well as the state. So to quote the bible just because, does not really reflect spirituality.

As for owing God, sentiments. When your father gave you allowee as a student, were you expected to give 10% back to him?

November 14, 2008 10:41 PM


ibironke said,
i stopped paying tite when my pastor acquired a JET. i dont drive a car

November 15, 2008 9:29 AM


ibironke said,
i stopped paying tite when my pastor acquired a JET. i dont drive a car

November 15, 2008 9:30 AM


Anonymous said,
Others have said tithes go to church maintenance and administrative expenses. I go to a church that does a lot of community work and am happy to contribute towards those efforts through my tithes. Hardly does my church ask for offerings for special projects - in fact in the last 6 months they've taken offerings for projects just once.

I also noticed that periods when I "had" and didn't tithe, somehow I lost money - unforeseen expenses, accidents, theft, damages, etc. There was a period that I'll never forget I was dead broke - had enough to pay bills and that was it. I paid my tithe in coins and believe me God blessed me tremendously I got the gift of a job and since then I try to pay my tithes religiously. I just do it in faith.

I have no qualms paying tithes to other churches when I'm away from my home church but when I feel this pastor is one kind I save my money and pay it to my home church.

I challenge ppl who say they would rather see their money put to good use than to some pastor's extravagance to go to another church. If u don't trust a pastor don't put ur money and more importantly ur spiritual life under his/her tutelage.

Ultimate clarity and direction on all things spiritual comes from God sha.

Disclaimer: I'm a work in progres Christian but this issue has impacted my life.

Goodluck

November 15, 2008 9:43 AM


Anonymous said,
@ Paris I live in the "Western world" and the churches I have attended do "practice this" - oh and they are not naija churches

November 15, 2008 9:46 AM


Wild Boy said,
Girl I believe, though i'm not a regular tither, im working on it, No aplologies, let the pastor but the jet or SUV-whatever, he answers to God on that one. You just pay so you wont be on the losing end at the end of the day, cos for real the day's gonna end.

November 15, 2008 12:41 PM


Anonymous said,
Thank God you brought this issue up ,I have been thinking about it for a while. I don't believe in tithe and offreing reason is 10percent is not really huge to give to God but this money does not go to God ohhhhhhhhhhh it goes to a man, who will use my money to do as he wishes. I know they say dont worry where it goes, just give but that is blind faith which i dont and will not do.
Most of all these people shouting the lord the lord ,let me ask you a question .if all you had was your 10 percent tithe in your hand and you where on your way to church, and you just saw a friend who's child is very sick and she needs that exact amount to save the childs life what do you do?
I asked someone and she said she will still go to church and that some how the person will be taken care of. I was in shock!It is said in the Bible what so ever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me.Why not use this money and help someone you see in need buy things take it to a shelter, motherless babies home do something !!!!
I am a proud Catholic , i don't go every single sunday to mass but i can beat my chest and say the little offering we give you can see where it goes to, to help the homeless, go to prisons,visit the sick , the list goes on.
When was the FIRST /last time your chuch had a collecting to feed the poor ? and i don't mean during your once a year thanks giving oh!
but with these BIG churches who collect 10percent of your cash it is untracable can you say you know where your money goes ?please don't say upkeep of the church.Because the catholic church have been here for ages and without the 10percent they have been doing fine !

November 15, 2008 2:36 PM


Anonymous said,
Bill Gates who never goes to church, does not tithe, but has a massive charity foundation that contributes to international society more than any other African Government, has his barns so full he cannot contain the money he makes.

I guess God forgot to shut his window of blessing. Tithers- Keep living in a dream world.

Take a child who has abilities but cannot support himself through college, sponsor that child and you would see wonders in your life, that to me is tithing.

John Obi

November 15, 2008 4:01 PM


Ladybrille said,
I believe in tithing. I have seen many miracles right from my youth when my family practiced tithing. On a personal level, it has been quite a challenge sometimes. You just made this money, you promised to tithe and then something comes up and you direct your tithe money for something else. At some point, I also started giving my tithe money to charity. I did so because I felt the Church did not need it a I could not say whether the needy in the Church were getting it or whether it was just being applied to the Pastor's salary.

But, like many have said, I realized that God knew there was charity but still specifically required tithing from us.

I also try not to believe what I feel most of us are indoctrinated with growing up. The idea that God is this mean person that will punish you every moment he gets if you mess up. For example because you have not tithe as one commenter seemed to imply, is why you are broke or bad things happen to you. I believe God is merciful and while there are consequences for actions, he is not out to punish us because we don't tithe.

Anyway, it is an area I need to get much better and stronger at. I am glad you raised the issue out in the open.

Cheers,

--Uduak

November 15, 2008 5:25 PM


Anonymous said,
Pastors and so many religuous folks have exploited the Bible for personal gain, and its really sad. Its complicated. I don't believe in when pastors say give a certain money so you can be blessed or have more money. All the verses in the Bible relating to tithe has been taken out of context, and has just confused too many people. I was discussing the same topic with my mama, and she told me not to worry too much about it, what I should be worried about is doing what I need to do as a born again christian not based on what the pastor says or anybody but based on the word of God. I don't believe that people give to God, because you are expecting something from HIM. We should freely give to God to appreciate Him. You don't have to give directly to church because the money is usually for the pastor to expand his extravagant lifestyle. There are so many charities out there, that are really doing what they promise, so you can give to any of those charities. Fortunately, I attend a small church that are really using the church money to do something. CHECK OUT P4CM.COM

November 15, 2008 8:07 PM


Ladi said,
I give tithe in my home church ECWA because I know it would be used for God's work (missionaries, build schools, churches, charities etc)

I don't tithe in pentecostal churches when I'm in london because I don't really trust the pastors. Instead, I donate 10% to a fund raiser of a worthy cause.

I think you should tithing to God might not necessarily be increasing the pastors luxuries but giving to Godly cause like orphanages, missions, etc.

When you give you receive.

November 15, 2008 9:34 PM


coolgal said,
i give what i can afford simple

November 16, 2008 3:58 AM


World Famous Simon SEEZ said,
Linda,

Really exciting views on this issue, i took my time to read everyones point of view, i guess everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion but however,what the bible says about tithing is clear, what ur pastor does with ur money is his own cross, just do ur bit, i'm catholic, does it mean if my priest sins, i would not collect communion from him, i believe i am not receivin it from him but from God,cos thats what he instructed, ow r u sure ur pastor has not prayed for u on a particular day he wasnt in Good terms with God, does it mean if ur needs are real, God will not answer u because of the sins of your pastor?

Linda, please keep supporting charity, get an estimate of how much u earn a month and pay ur tithe,

November 16, 2008 5:52 PM


Waffarian said,
Since you asked not to tell you to take the picture down, then I won't.

However, I have never believed that one can appreciate one's own fortunes by reminding oneself of another's misfortune.

I think its extremely sad that a little girl's illness should be the one to remind anybody of just how lucky he/she is.

Very sad.

November 16, 2008 8:46 PM


Anonymous said,
I forgot to add that my church mails an equivalent of an income statement to all members and it reflects how much they spent on what and how much they received. They also send an account of how much the member paid in tithes and offerings (I guess for those who choose to take tax deductions) - I know not all churches do this but tithing is a form of charitable contribution and why not give to an organization (the church that can reach more people than I can).

November 17, 2008 6:01 AM


Anonymous said,
Tithing is an issue of covenant and not laws, if u claim to be in a covenant with God thereby accessing the privileges of the covenant, by all means do tithe. If not, dont! You'll still go to heaven if you're born again! Whn you get to heaven, then ask God for his thoughts.

November 19, 2008 12:55 PM


Anonymous said,
This is in response to the question asked by someone about writing your name and address on your offering envelope. I personally do not write my name or address on my tithe offering and if i use my check, I indicate on it that I don't want a record of it for tax break. The reason for me is that i think it is does not serve the purpose God's instructed us to tithe.
Linda, U can give your 10% to the needy if you will comfortable and do it is sincerely. One of my closest friend's husband does that just for same reason you gave and he is blessed abundantly. Our God is a sincere God and He knows your heart. He is an understanding God.
I personally don't care what my church does with the money, I care about my part and that is what I can control.

November 20, 2008 6:14 PM


Anonymous said,
i was tithing regularly until i had to give £200K as tithe. i reasoned why would the church get the money?what would they do with it? wont they now know i am that rich? all the questions i never knew i could ask were flowing. i sat with the wife and discussed the matter. she said just obey God because God is bigger than the church. i gave it as bank draft so they never know who gave it.from then it was easier. God owns it all.i can say tithe is a blessing because God is only asking for what He has given not what he has not given. by His grace we have never have to use more than 1% of the rest 90%. we need to be grateful. dont go give the homeless thinking that is tithe. you are no priest. you dont have the right to use God's money the way you see fit. it is His portion and honour.

November 25, 2008 11:15 AM


Anonymous said,
@ annon -November 20, 2008 6:14 PM
"Our God is a sincere God and He knows your heart. He is an understanding God.
I personally don't care what my church does with the money, I care about my part and that is what I can control."
God will never change His word for nobody. it is better to obey His word than do sacrifices. i ma blessed too and like your friends we use drafts that is just because we want to be left alone to live our lives as anonymous as posible.we had to leave our church five yrs ago because we felt we were being taken advantage of. having learnt our lesson we adjusted

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