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olamufu:
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Is this a poster of half naked ladies from the church, or a magazine page from his critics? May we know the source?

The bible calls our righteousness a garment in revelation.

Revelation 19:8
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

You need accept the lordship of Jesus christ first of all. If you want to see beyond the natural realm,

John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

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Let me have your email I'm interested. My email is bellow

It's a religious spirit. Just like someone says a woman should not wear trouser in church,but they can wear it at home! .

His teachings agrees with your heart.Because he teaches holiness And you receive him as a man of God. same goes for others who have received other ministers as men of God. I believe he is a man of God too. As much as I believe tbj And Hebert angel are ministers. The differences in style and teaching are not reasons for labelling.

wetu:
My prayer to God is that if these men: Fatai Temitope Balogun (TB Joshua) and Uebert Mudzanire (Uebert Angel) are true prophets, let them appear at a meeting held by[b] Dr David Owuor[/b] who I'm not saying is the only prophet but he is the only one I know. That will be the day!

I like this!  It will be interesting to you that I did a thread on Dr David Owuor . Last 2 weeks and many christian labelled him as false. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-794583.0.html

This is my concern. We all call peach other fasle . The real enemy is manipulating us against one another while he's laughing in one corner.

These men as far as I'm concerned are all ministers of God.  We should set aside our differences and focus in the centre of where we agree. That's the unity that will defeat satanic onslaught against the church.

If a man believes in the lordship of christ, and confess him openly, he believes Jesus is the way ,truth and life, he believe Jesus died,buried and resurrected bodily, he believes in the atonement by the blood of Jesus and salvation through his name, he believes in one God Jehovah who manifest himself in the father,son and the holyghost, such a man is sabed and he is if God.What else are we looking for. There will always be differences among us but God is distorting those differences gradually. But they are not enough to separate us from Hods love.

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wetu:
I hope that one day God will reveal to you the meaning and context of this scripture:
1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

A demonised man can't confess the lordship of Jesus christ. I have had encounters while casting devils out of a person, I tell them to confess his lordship , the person struggles to call Jesus. Saying "JE-JE--JE " it took them some truffles to call his name and the moment they said " I CONFESS JESUS AS my lord"  the demons came out.

God is nor author of concussion. If a man confesses the lord ip of Jesus , he is of God. He may make  his mistake but that doesn't change him from being used of God. SATAN CANNOT CAST OUT SATAN

Matthew 12:24-28
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.


Only if you understand that will you understand these scriptures:
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. [/Color]

2Co 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works

I agree but they can never call Jesus their lord. We will know know by the fruits .

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I agree with you here also. But that doesn't mean they were of the devil . A minister can lose his salvation which he once had. He can lose it by several reasons , especially silly unfaithfulness to God. But he must have been genuinely saved and called.This is different from the false one.

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Hebrews 6:4-7
4 For it is impossible [to restore and bring again to repentance] those who have been once for all enlightened, who have consciously tasted the heavenly gift and have become sharers of the Holy Spirit, 5 And have felt how good the Word of God is and the mighty powers of the age and world to come, 6 If they then deviate from the faith and turn away from their allegiance--[it is impossible] to bring them back to repentance, for (because, while, as long as) they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh [as far as they are concerned] and are holding [Him] up to contempt and shame and public disgrace. 7 For the soil which has drunk the rain that repeatedly falls upon it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose benefit it is cultivated partakes of a blessing from God.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Supposing paul didn't check himself and lost his salvation would that make him false as though he never Was of christ?

wetu:
I don't have a link, I was typing this as I was watching them say those things on Miracle TV. Joagbaje is only asking for the link because the teachings are indefensible, otherwise he would be pulling out some scriptures to defend them

And What is my gain?  Is he my pastor? Do I know him. Of course I have watched him few times.

You need to watch these guys performing. As you can see from my posts, they boast alot about themselves and their "spirituality" and demand applause from the audience at regular intervals

I get your point here, but I feel it would have been more appropriate for you to say.  "this man does so and so, is it right? Is it biblical? It can be anylised by all according to bible. Before a conclusion.

. The guy is trying so hard to be like Pastor Chris at times and to get the same response from the audience as Pastor Chris but Pastor Chris doesn't demand the audience's response, the audience naturally responds to his message. He also doesn't have the same humility and insight into the Bible as Pastor Chris does.

Of course its undeniable that he copies Pastor chris  or just got influenced or inspired by him. Some people call him "pastor chris of south africa" Many preachers are doing that these days. But anybody can be influenced by anybody.besides ,spiritual laws are available for us all to operate. But the issue of falsehood is something Big whereby we must be careful to label somebody as one.

wetu:
There are also those who may give correct prophesies but it doesn't mean they are true prophets:

Nobody denies that. But you will know such by the fruits. The bible gives citerial for determining those who are You should deal with facts and not assumptions.

Don't just label a man. Put the facts down lets all analyse them by the word. To start with, if a man believes in Jesus as lord of his life , it is a sin for anyone to call him otherwise.

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking under the power and influence of the [Holy] Spirit of God can [ever] say, Jesus be cursed! And no one can [really] say, Jesus is [my] Lord, except by and under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit.

These are simple biblical facts. If a man both of God and called into ministry,and his call is confirmed by signs and wonders, we should be careful in our judgement. We may not like him,but he is Gods choice. God chose to use the vessel. Now ,can Gods vessel make a mistake? Yes. Yes it's possible, but that shouldn't make us label a man of God FALSE PROPHET. That's too heavy . We have several revelations , we see in different levels of light.

1 Corinthians 13:11-12
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The early church had issues of differences and revelations. But they shouldn't labell one another false as long as they believe in the same Jesus.

dare2think:
Nice one alethea,
Well, I am the fifth member of the trinity,
Where is the falsehood in that?
(If being an extra member of the "Trinity", a three member state, is not falsehood, I really wonder what is)

I don't agree with the man on that one either. But it's not enough for me to label him false prophet. I would have loved to hear the teaching and know what point he was making. A man can make a mistake. We are united with God and we don't have to be a fourth part. We are in him . But until I hear the teaching myself ,I can't conclude .let the op post the link .

To summaries the above point, the anointing GOD releases is based on the assignment given to each. The anointing GOD gives to a deliverance minister cannot be equal to the anointing HE may give you that is not in full time service that don’t have time to stay in GOD’S presence in prayer and fasting. That is, GOD cannot lavish on you the same level of anointing the same way HE anoint HIS prophets unless frosbel could prove otherwise

I think the problem with this is that some have not been able to differentiate between the general anointing or general call an election and the special endowment of ability for a specific asdignment. There is one holy spirit but he has different  and graces .

Secondly we are all called into christ but certain people are called into certain specific office . These are anointed to be  over the congregation as leaders and rulers . Men in position of spiritual authority.

We all have equality  before God, we have equal righteousness, salvation etc. But we must recognise spiritual authority.

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On what ground do you labbell thrm false? If someone gives a false prophecy , that's when you can say he's a false prophet. A msn is not false just by prophesying .

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True talk

It's a marital issue. Firstly , "Woman" refers to married women. The covering of the face in public was a sign of the authority of the husband. it is equivalent to wearing wedding ring in public.

@emofine,

emofine:
I'm a painter but I design more than paint these days. . .erm I'm very weary of posting my details here, is there any other way I can share such with you privately?

My email is below as my signature. You can send your email to me

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there are principles that governs prayers. You don't just ask anything , you ask according o Gods will.

1 John 5:14
14 And this is the confidence (the assurance, the privilege of boldness) which we have in Him: [we are sure] that if we ask anything (make any request) according to His will (in agreement with His own plan), He listens to and hears us.

You can't ask God for another man's wife. It's against Gods principles. Also, everyone has to have faith for himself. You can't eliminate cancer for everybody. Some people are living a life of sin which attracts spirit of cancer to attack them. Some others are being attacked by the devil and need to know the word of God .

It is God that judges the motive of the heart. At the same time we should not be glorifying the work of the devil. Some people don't know how to glorify God in a testimony .like a new mother telling the congregation how much she suffered in labour. The only thing positive is just "BUT WE TNANK GOD SHA"

We don't need to go into details of satans exploit. He doesn't deserve such attention.

chrisj2000:
If you claim your prayer was answered, there is no way we can verify your claim because we don't know what you asked for.
  Your bible says that "whatever" you ask god in the name of Jesus shall be given to you. We face a huge malaria epidemic in Africa, please pray to your god to wipe malaria out for us. Your bible says that you shall lay hand on sick people and heal them. You are a hypocrite anytime you take medicine or go to hospital. Just get your priest to lay hand on you whenever you are sick.

I do lay hands on the sick and they recover. I do cast devils out as the bible declares. If you want know the reality of the power of God ,just embrace the life in christ and the Word of God, and you will be flying.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

God may instruct someone to mary someone. But that doesn't mean there's just one person for an individual. If that's the case , widows who remarry are stealing someone else's rib!

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You're right. It's good to take fasting gradually, before embarking on 21 days , one ought to have trained himself with 1 day, 3days , 1 week etc.

What is the falsehood? You're only transcribing their speeches

God won't condemn a man for what he didn't have opportunity for

The garden was a literal garden .

As much as God hates divorce, there are still reasons by which God permits divorce. But definitely not these holywood kinds of divorce.

So did you or he do it?

frosbel:
Introduction

I know that the title of this article will possibly raise some worried eyebrows. At first glance, some might say to themselves, "Oh no, Keith has gone too far this time!" But let me quickly put those possible reactions to rest. To the question, "What's wrong with the Gospel?" I can easily answer, "Absolutely nothing!" That is, of course, if you're talking about the Gospel of the Bible - the very message that Jesus preached - what the apostles Peter, Paul, John, and the others devoted their very lives (and deaths) to. (Phil. 1:20-21)

I don't really see the difference between what is preached today and what the bible says. You mentioned , the blood of Jesus, sacrifice and self denial etc, I don't think any sane christian will kick against such.

So what's the falsehood?

Jettage:
He said they do it to feast on the people and making merchandise of them through several meetings

But those who do deliverance don't ask for money ,do they? So what is the fraud and mechanise ?