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JeSoul:
Reason # 2 - Abandonment "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace," (1 Cor. 7:15).

The scripture here is not about abandonment but rather on the ground of faith. The word of God permits divorce on the grounds of Faith (different religion). A case of when the other partner is unsaved or of other faiths and unwilling to continue the relationship.

A woman is being physically abused, beaten up by her husband daily, sometimes he even beats the children. She has tried everything she can but its only getting worse and she fears for herself & her children. In your opinion, can she divorce him?

What they both need is pastoral counsel. That's why I wonder at those who talk down on pastoral authority and leadership . This are cases where the two Christians having marital conflict needs a pastoral intervention and instruction . If there is need for separation , especially if a party has chosen to follow a path of rebellion against the word and the church the pastor may sanction it. As a last option. But it doesn't have to get there if they both are willing to be corrected.that's why foundation is important. It Is risky to marry a freelance christian who has no shepherd over him or her.

@love king

LoveKing:
@Joagbaje
but how did you know that pls?

There was once a world before the time of Adam. Science and bible harmonised on this. The earth is millions of years old . The post below gives a little light.

macayub:
The first part of Genesis indicates that the earth could have existed for billions of years before the first Genesis “day,” [/b]though it does not say for how long. However, it does describe what earth’s condition was just before that first “day” began: “Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep; ”—Genesis 1:2

The gap between genesis 1:1 and 2 is found in other scriptures by prophets such as .

[b]Jeremiah 4:23-25
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Dinosaurs and other pre historic animals existed and perished when that world was destroyed by a flood. This is not noah's flood.

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Biox:
@newmi @joeagbaje @Mabel

I believe in miracles an a living proof,but doesn't this one seem untrue? How can I shadow strike down someone in the name of the anointing,or special move from God.
Do we now follow practical signs instead of the word of God,is this whole show up  necessary? Can't we accept and have faith in God without all the show up.does the show up strengthens our faith or take us far away from believing.

There is diffent between Demonstration of the spirit and show. This is teaching Christians about what they have within.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


It's important to demonstrate the power of God .Christianity without the supernatural is like any other dead religion. The kindom is not in word only

1 Thessalonians 1:5
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost . . .

PA1982:
In any case, there is no talk of Jesus saying- give to the pastors of your church, is there.
In both Gospels, the advice is to give to the poor.

I don't know why Satan hates men of God with such passion . If he has his way he would have killed all shepherd so as to get the sheep.There are different kinds of givings in the bible . Giving to the poor is only one of the many givings . a man of God Has it's place.

Galatians 6:6-7
6 The person who is taught God's word should share all good things with his teacher. 7 Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest.

Matthew 10:41
41 If you welcome a prophet because he is a man of God, you will be given the same reward a prophet gets.

The welcome here refers to giving or welfare.

Luke 10:7-8
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. 8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

Its only a girl that is not sensible that can stick to a character like crossman. she was smart to run for her life

mabell:
Dear Nairalanders,
What happens when two christians in the same church do a business deal and one dupes the other?
should the defaulting christian be arrested, sued to court or should the case be reported to the pastor and
left for him to handle?

sincere responses pls

It is advisable when two Christians in the same church enters a deal for the pastor to get involved. Or if a member of the church approaches another member for big businesses, it may be a smart thing to let the pastor know . Apart from prayer and counselling , he  knows who is who to a great extent and may advice against doing business with some people who may have tendency of not  honouring their words.

^^^^
God for give your mouth!

unipol:
good speech

The good speech called you all IDIOTS

macayub:
So God did create every living things including dinosaurs that might be part of "the great sea monsters".

the account from Adam to date is just about 6,000 years plus. But the scientific radion carbon dating of the dinosaurs is millions of years.

InesQor:
For a Christian, speaking against a "Man of God" and speaking against any other Christian will attract the same punishment because they are equal in God's sight.

You are right . Every evil speaking , carry consequences . But there are heavier consequences for speaking evil against those who are being used of God, For example those who call ministers devils ,etc. It is not just the person they are dealing with the anointing with which he minister. The bible calls it blasphemy against the holyghost . When you attribute the workings of the holyghost upon a minster to the devil.

Luke 12:10
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

What baffles the mind is the fact that they claim they serve God !! And yet kill fellow citizens .What God will make people kill the innocent like this.

That's anointing brodo

I have heard many givers and soul winners in Gods kingdom testify of great deliverance like this in the face of dangers. One remarkable thing I hear in these testimonies are the heavily built huge men who show up for rescue.

GBAM! for you. The natural man is in a state of spiritual death. So the physically dead and the spiritually dead are all Dead!.

Ephesians 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

They existed and died many years before Adam was created. It was a pre adamic world

Micuilles:
@ Jo, You said it all. Well done. 

You appear and dissapear.

@ Jesoul & Enigma,

"Abraham believed God & it was couted to him for rigtheousness" This did not make him (Abraham) born again. And Jesus Christ, , the first begotten from the dead (Rev. 1;5). Jesus was the first to be born again.
Blessed be the God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again,  by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead (1Pet 1;3). When you confess the Lord ship of Jesus, there is a re-birth of your spirit by the glory of the father Rom 6;4 therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death; that like as christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the father, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.

Pls hammer the truth .  .  If Abraham and david were born again , what was their soul still doing in hell.  ( Hades)

Acts 2:25-32
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

I know there a real growing of legs and there is an unreal trick that Satan use to rubbish the body of christ. I dont mind to ha e the link to know more about him.

Who is iya witch?

@Jesoul

JeSoul:
Oga sir, I'm afraid you're going to have to do a little bit better than the above. "The spirit was with them not in them"?   

Just one verse from the OT, Ex 31: 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, 3 and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills
 
I said the spirit of Christ/Holy Spirit/God's spirit has always been moving and transforming the hearts of men - to which you said you agreed. If you now say it was impossible for the spirit of God to ever dwell or be 'in' a man prior to Christ then that's a bit of a problem. Men like Abraham, David (a man after God's own heart self) merely had the Holy Spirit visit them and leave but not  dwell in them?    hmmmm . . . .

The spirit Of God came upon them for a specific purpose. The reason God or the holy spirit could not dwell in them was because their spirit was still dead. God does not dwell in human bodies but in human spirit. But the human spirit had to be regenerated by the new birth for God or the holy spirit to dwell in. If a man if a man talks inteligrntly we say he has inlteligence, if a man talks wisely we say he has wisdom. So when the spirit if God manifest through a man , it is assumed the spirit resides in him. The influence of the spirit came on them even on their bodies but not dwelling in their spirits . No man could recieve the indwelling presence of God or the holy spirit until Jesus died.


John 7:39
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 14:17
. . .Even the Spirit of truth. . . but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 6:16
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God makes these utterances with regards to the new covenant. If men could be born again without the death of christ and the shedding of his blood, christ would not need to die. His death would be vain.

The point I was trying to make is that you're approaching the sacrifice of Jesus in a very rigid, and especially linear way. The power of Calvary stretches both forward and backward in time, echoing through every nation, culture and even religion - and is not limited to time as we understand it - justifying as many who believed in God and had faith which produced good works. Abraham did not have to 'wait' to till Christ rose again before he was 'born again' and officially 'acceptable' in the sight of God (though he and the rest of us are waiting to receive completely the promise as Hebrews teaches) - the sacrifice of Christ (slain from the foundations of the world) already justified him and many others.

So why would Jesus die? . It's been ordained but it won't be of effect until Jesus comes and die. Abraham believed what God said. But that doesn't change anything. He was still spiritually dead. From Adam to Moses all of them were spiritually dead.

Romans 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.


The life is in christ. Even though they believed in him who is to come (by the way ,every Jew believed in the messiah to come , not just few.) but he still had to die , if he didn't die, there would be no life. Let me as you. If jesus hadn't died, what is mans hope?

Abraham's faith was credited (please note the past tense) to him as righteousness even before he was circumcised, a righteousness that was bought by Christ's blood. And if the gospel was 'announced in advance to him' what does this tell us? Does this impact your mordernist defintion of what it means to be 'born again'?

If Im a presidential aspirants and I have ideal and values different from the corruption. And I look out for those who would by my ideals and many believe . And I promise them positions as ministers omminssioners , chief judge etc. because the believe. Does that change anything? I still need to win an election , I still need to be sworn in. If not , there is no difference. they cant be ministers or chief judge etc until I get sworn in. Remember that a Will cannot be of effect until the person who wrote the will dies. A Will is a Testament , Jesus had to die first for man to possess life by the new Testament

Hebrews 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

They had to wait for our kiingdom before the became perfect .The new creation was not born Until jesus rose from the dead and very one who believed in him ,past present and future became a new creation . Thats why the bible says the old yestaments saints could not be perfect on their own without us. They didn't obtain the promise .

Hebrews 11:39-40
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Enigma:
I have established what I need to establish on this thread - for myself and no one else needs to agree with me.

Your message of "voluntary tithing" is deceitful and is in truth not much different from that of Joagabje or newmi --- the difference is that newmi was at least open and upfront with his position on a key issue. (It was always ever thus anyway whether as pilgrim.1 or as viaro)

From my perspective now, this thread is only useful for dealing with any misrepresentations of scripture or deception that I feel compelled to address.

It is a pity because you could make much better use of your abilities. All the best anyway.

You didn't establish anything. You are the one shifting grounds. What was you guys claim before ? That tithing is wrong and refers to children of God who gives tithes asMugus.

Weldone o

The problem is the religion people now attach to it. Oil from Jerusalem etc. If I use the term "lesser truth" you will vex for me. The anointing of God is meant to work through our hands.

Mark 16:18
18 . . . they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

That's the primary way weve been ordained to minister. Paul had to transfer power to handkerchief because of multitude.
But making a ritual out of it becomes a problem .

At the same time we can't overrule the wisdom of God. The wisdom of God can tell someone to throw sand in the air and a miracle takes place for a particular situation. That doesn't turn that ground to a special holy ground or make sand throwing a church ritual. If a man is led to use medium for a particular case it is different from making a doctrine from it.

I'm not condemning those who use oil. It's just that many just use it without understanding the principles . They pour it in food , application letter etc because someone brought the oil from Jerusalem. It's not the oil that contain the power ,it's the man.

nlMediator:
I'm really amazed at the extent of your opposition to this anointing oil stuff. Jesus did not condemn it even when it was brought to His attention. James mentioned and recommended it. You dismiss all that. But you're willing to endorse other things that do not have nearly as much support in the Scriptures. I think your concern is that the anointing oil is abused. But that's not sufficient ground to be cool towards it. After all, the same can be said of a number of other practices in the Church that we approve or practice.

I said a man of God can anoint anything. Just as Jesus anointed spittle and sand to open blind eyes , paul anointed handkerchief for a special reason. Someon can use oil on that premise. But the anointing oil of the bible was for putting men in office. If I'm wrong correct me scripturally.

Bintus2much:
Thanks for this response, You have hit the Nail on the head. but where exactly did Jesus' disciples used that in the scripture?

Jesus never used the oil. He healed the sick and cast out devils only by his spoken words.

Matthew 8:16
16 . . .  and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

When he sent his disciples out, he also told them not to carry anything , but when they came back they said they also use oil on the sick. That's what many people capitalise on. It was a Jewish practice.

Mark 6:13
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

Thanks nuella, where hast thou been? Hope you will stay small this time.

JeSoul:
Uhm soooooo . . . . wordtalk, you're not denying the Viaro allegations? 

We should stop all these immature allegations. Does it matter if anybody change ID. what matter is the topic and views of individuals

There were two kinds of oil. The one for the anointing , and the one for medicinal use. The anointing oil was only used by ,priests to anoint men into office. No other person handles it. No other person should use it.

Exodus 30:31-32
31 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations. 32 Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you.

But the use of balm and oil for sick persons was a medicinal use. Which the Jews began to practice later. Its on thatground that jesus deciples use it and james mentioned it. So what the churches practice today is not the same thing with the holy oil.

But there's a principle behind it which stands. An anointed man can anoint anything. A man of God can anoint sand ,water, spittle, handkerchief etc and by this transfer power into them for a situation. So on that ground ,he can as well anoint a bottle of oil. But the content if the bottle is not significant . Either it's oil o or water.

frosbel:
That is why our hard earned money should go to the poor and not to wolves in the church.
How dare Pastors and their associates live off the sweat of God's people ??

Mr christian,Is your pastor among these wolves?

MyJoe:
@Joagbaje
Biblically speaking, there is no reason to believe that Jesus made a practice of this or that it was an apostolic tradition. In the text you quoted Jesus went to pray and he was moved to go on for the whole night. It was not planned and no one was invited, as it was a personal spiritual endeavour.

It doesn't have to be a tradition . It is a sacrifice , when you deny yourself in seeking God . Just like fasting. You can fast from food, fast from sex fast from sleep etc.

nlMediator:
The Babylonians, for example, who tithed well before Abram was born. See : http://www.keithhunt.com/Tithe2.html. Certainly, they did not know the true God and their tithes were to their gods.

Nice Article, but there's no biblical evidence for it that's why I don't quote such. But certain truths are universal . Men gave offerings, dance,and do worship to other Gods. In certain towns here nobody can eat yam until till priest of the village has eaten the first or biggest yam. That is first fruits. The spirit of man can pick certain spiritual truths.
The father Inlaw of Moses was a priest, but was not a Jew .

Job was not a Jew but he was offering sacrifices to God . So the spirit of men even in it's dead state can still pick some spiritual truths even though they may go about it wrongly. But the idea that Abraham was influenced by Babylonia culture is not acceptable , he would have copied some of their evil culture also. It was clear God called him out of idolatry . If tithing was pagan practice ,he definateky would have dumped it. Tithing , prayers, offerings, worship are all based on spiritual principles .

Jesus bing on of David has to do with lineage . It doesn't refer to direct fatherhood.

nlMediator:
It's true that even before the Jews, others tithed. But is that really relevant to us, i.e., can we really say it was instituted by God? Since these people did not know God - God revealed Himself to Abraham and the Jewsih people - aren't their practices simple guides at best that should not be taken with the level of seriousness we see with the tithe?

Who are the other tithers who didn't know God?