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Which one be dis ? what has tb joshua matter got to do with pastor chris? Can't you just stay on the bible? If you are really sure of what you're saying . All these daaru system don't sound mature.

newmi:
Daniel 2:44(Amplified)
44 And in the days of these[ final ten] kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; but it shall break and crush and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever.

Praise God, this is a prophecy of the church by Daniel in that interpretation of the the reams of king Nebuchadnezzer.

There are some other mind blowing prophecies in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8

@Wetu.

So are you Jesus? You make me laugh. See who is talking about judging when you have obtained a degree in it. You're judging by appearance and not according to truth. You are not given right to judge any man. You may judge doctrines .

wetu:
Joagbe: "but you didnt quote jesus rather you quoted Paul" 
Joagbe, you are not God's word like Pastor Chris told you, Jesus is the Word of God. When I quote the Word of God, I can say "Jesus wants us to" or "Jesus expects us to"

So does your Jesus "expects" you to judge and condemn others?

Luke 6:37
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: 

Romans 14:10
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Matthew 7:1
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Romans 14:13
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

This is why some Christians are rebellious towards Jesus, they do not understand that He is the Word of God. Therefore they study the Bible to try justify their disobedience:

Dude if you don't know what to say, just save it. I have given you enough scriptures to show you how wrong what you guys are doing. You can't creat your own bible . If I'm wrong , dispute what I'm saying with the bible .

If someone says he believes in Jesus christ as his saviour and lord , you have no right to say he is not. It takes the holyghost for a man to confess Jesus openly.

1 Corinthians 12:3
 no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus himself had declared that those who are not against him are for him.

Luke 9:50
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid [him] not: for he that is not against us is for us.

So why jumping on another man's case , to his master he stands or fall. If he is doing wrong, leave the judgement to God. God knows what to do.

Enigma:
Consider what someone said not long ago.
Quote from: Demain_man on February 09, 2011, 10:49 AM
This joagbaje knows how to distort the bible no be small. . . .
'Nuff said!  

Very funny. That's the opinion of few people here . Many others believe otherwise. I believe deep down what you wanted to say "joagbaje knows the bible. . But because you have taken a stand to oppose anything from joagabje it becomes a challenge to make a change.

@Azibalua
thanks for that link. It's about one currency being proposed for africa. We told people this things over ten years ago that they will happen, then it was like joke. The timeline is now at the feet of the image. Iron mixed with clay. It is a time of merger. Nations merge , companies merge. People that don't agree are merging. Man and man merging in marriage . Woman and woman merging . I won't be surprise if human rights and animal right finally merge In marriage. Some have actually started debating it , if human an animal can produce children together. The out come has been negative so far. But some experts are saying it could be possible if there is an animal close to human genetically but they are not too sure of baboon. Satan will stop at nothing to polite the human race so that he can bring forth his demons through legal means on the earth . The book of revelation shows it will happen. Human machines. Demons and machines.

It's all part of the system of the anti christ. It is called." Gradualism"  gradually the whole world will merge under One world Government. That's the New World order. One currency. The anti christ will be a political, economical and religious leader. Who would have thought this uprising in the Arab nations will take place. Every nation will embrace democracy. They will be weak. Government will loose hold on people. Crisis will take place for that evil man to be accepted by all.

But the church will prosper. Before the rapture of the church. The church will dominate.

@wetu

wetu:
Sorry, Joagbe the field is the world, not the church

Mat 13:37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

its still thesame thing, if you feel you want to uproot evil. you follow bible way. intercede. but not this physical attack. you can only do that in the place of you jurisdiction of authority, for example if youre a pastor, you can expel false brethren from your congregation. you have right to protect your sheep.

In the Church, false prophets are not to be tolerated. Jesus expects us not to tolerate them:
2Ti 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.  (anointing water, wristbands)
Titus 1:10  For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Titus 1:11  Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
2Ti 4:2  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Of course the Christian way to exercise intolerance for sin or false teachers is to fight them with the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God.

The bible never admonish christian to attack ministers because you dont agree with them. you said jesus saysnto stop them but you didnt quote jesus rather you quoted Paul letter to titus and timothy. remeber that Timothy and titus were pastors. apastor has the responsibility to expell false teacher and brethren from his congregation. but he didnt say brethren should attack minister. Paul even told timothy not to Rebuke an Elder. even if you feel they are wrong. Number one, you may be wrong in your assumption, and it will be held as a sin of blasphemy . thats why God says dont judge. you can judge a doctrine , You can judge a prophecy. but you have no right to judge another christian not to talk about a minister. 

Someone who is supposed to be a minister may not be accurate all times. some prophecies may be wrong but that shouldnt be a condemnation on the giver of the prophecy. that doesnt mean he is not of God. that doesnt mean every other prophecy he gives is wrong. there were obviously some mistakes in prophecy in the early church thats why paul said others should judge the prophecies. theres is a different between judging the prophecy and judging the prophet.

I agree there could false prophets but still the bible didnt say you should condemn them. it says rather you should not recieve them when they come to you.

2 John 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

To dectect a fasle man, it will show in the fruit of what he profess.The first thing you should find out about them is their profession, what is jesus to them.

1 John 4
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, w[b]ho confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.[/b] This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

thats what the bible says. you cant say a man is in error because he prophesied things that are not spiritual. other prophets did thesame. did not samuel prophesied to saul about his missing animal? why would jesus use the power of God to curse an inocent tree to die? is that spiritual? What of prophet agabus in the book of acts who prophesied about world economy melt down in their day. What has a man of God that should be preaching about heaven got to do with Wall Street?

Acts 11:28
28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

We should be careful of judgementalism.

@Mabel

•The Euro is now the official European currency and it will be primarily an electronic currency where the privilege to buy or sell will be granted by the state. It is likely that the Euro will soon replace the U.S. dollar as the primary world currency.
•The European Union has now been accepted by all 27 nations and it will appoint its first permanent national leaders in late 2009.
•Computer systems in Brussels have the capability to manage all the world's finances and government complexes have been built in Europe to house a large central government.
•North African states and Middle East states may soon join with the EU and expand its borders to the full extent of the old Roman Empire.

I observed that since the economic crisis. And the instability of the crashed Dollar. Nations have been pushing for another more acceptable currency. They are still observing the american Dollar. While pressing background button.

Pastor AIO:
Interpretation of the prophecy is not my palava. My own inside all this is that you cannot twist historical facts. Europe is part of roman empire in the same way that Israel is still part of the Babylonian Empire. And Nigeria is the Songhai Empire, sebi they are both in Africa.

You are missing the point here. Rome according to scriptures is the last empire. Was it not Rome that discovered America? Were the European nations not part of roman empire. There will be a revived Rome It is European union.

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-european-union-a-revived-roman-empire-a272935

Pastor AIO:
@Joagbaje,

I apologise for insulting you. I am not saying that the bible is lying. I am saying that history does not agree with your explanation of the prophecy. It is not backed by the facts of historical reality.
You said a number of things that are not historically accurate and I've pointed them out to you. If you find that insulting or a challenge to your biblical faith then they is your own dilemma that you have to try to resolve for yourself, but I am not to blame. I have only corrected you on your errors in historical matters.

Europe is still part of roman empire . There will be a revived roman empire that's where The antichrist will come from .system is still on. But I'm still waiting for your interpretation of the prophecy.

You don't have to insult me , I'm not twisting sccriptures . I have made my points biblically and it agrees with history. If you don't agree . is it with me or the bible? The bible has given us blue print of world event . Except you say the bible is lying . Why dont you give us your own interpretation of the prophecy.
You can tell us about Germany , Russia , and great Britain  who were once world powers

Pastor AIO:
Please sir, good morning,  Inside the above prophecies, I wonder, where is the Assyrian empire which was more brutal than the babylonian?

The prophecy had to do with World powers. kingdoms and empire that ruled the world.

 

Where is the Egyptian empire that preceded the babylonian empire?

The prophecy was a count down from Babylonia Empire.

But most importantly, where is the greatest and vastest empire that there ever was according to our knowledge of history, namely the British Empire.  Did Nebuchadnezzar have the kind of power that Queen Victoria had?

They all fall under the roman empire. We are still under Roman empire partially. We are building on their foundation. Roman calendar has over taken Hebrew calendar, Arab calendar. The next world dominator is going to be the Antichrist. It will be a revived roman empire. He will have dual nationality . A Jew and an European

Where does China fit into the scheme?  How about the vast Arabic empire that crushed the Roman empire in the east, and then went on to annex Persia?  Where does that fit into the dream.  Since Rome there have been many great empires, not just iron and clay.

China will not be a political power. The Arabic empire that fought with Rome never dominated the world. The bible fortold how the Roman empire will divide. The decline of Roman empire was from internal wars and not external war.

What about the empires carved out by Genghis Khan and his successors? 
I really do not see the analogy between your interpretation of the dream and actual history.

The bible is accurate. These kingdom you mentioned didn't rule the world. The prophecies was about world powers politicaly.

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje

Are there any scriptures to support your assertions above? Especially the one of Alexander the great.

There are several prophecies in the bible .especially in the book of Daniel . Like the image the king saw and Daniel interpreted to him. That image represents the world system. It's like a calendar even to our time and beyond.

Daniel2:31
"Your Majesty, you had a vision. You saw a large statue. This statue was very bright. It stood in front of you, and it looked terrifying. 32 The head of this statue was made of fine gold. Its chest and arms were made of silver. Its stomach and hips were made of bronze. 33 Its legs were made of iron. Its feet were made partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 While you were watching, a stone was cut out, but not by humans. It struck the statue's iron-and-clay feet and smashed them. 35 Then all at once, the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold were smashed. They became like husks on a threshing floor in summer. The wind carried them away, and not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the statue became a large mountain which filled the whole world.

The image has head of Gold  -Babylon
Chest and Arm of silver         -Medes and Persia empire
Stomach of bronze                -Greek empire ( alexander the great)
Leg of iron.                            -Roman empire
Feet of clay and iron.             -present day  Democracy and merging of unions. Africa union. United nation and E.U etc.

The interpretation
36 This is the dream. Now we'll tell you its meaning.
37 "Your Majesty, you are the greatest king. The God of heaven has given you a kingdom. He has given you power, strength, and honor. 38 He has given you control over people, wild animals, and birds, wherever they live. He has made you ruler of them all. You are the head of gold. 39 Another kingdom, inferior to yours, will rise to power after you. Then there will be a third kingdom, a kingdom of bronze, that will rule the whole world. 40 There will also be a fourth kingdom. It will be as strong as iron. (Iron smashes and shatters everything.) As iron crushes things, this fourth kingdom will smash and crush all the other kingdoms. 41 You also saw the feet and toes. They were partly potters' clay and partly iron. This means that there will be a divided kingdom which has some of the firmness of iron. As you saw, iron was mixed with clay. 42 The toes were partly iron and partly clay. Part of the kingdom will be strong, and part will be brittle. 43 As you saw, iron was mixed with clay. So the two parts of the kingdom will mix by intermarrying, but they will not hold together any more than iron can mix with clay.

The church age and christ kingdom

44 "At the time of those kings, the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never be destroyed. No other people will be permitted to rule it. It will smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them. But it will be established forever. 45 This is the stone that you saw cut out from a mountain, but not by humans. It smashed the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. The great God has told you what will happen in the future, Your Majesty. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is its meaning." 46 King Nebuchadnezzar immediately bowed down on the ground in front of Daniel.

Another prophecy
Daniel 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

The prince of Persia here is not an earthly prince. But a demonic principality who controls the earthly king. These are political demons Satan send to rule each government. As paul confirmed

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.

So there is a natural king or prince and Satan assigns a spiritual prince to control him.Daniel predicted here again that After the Persian ,another empire GREECE will rule the world. This ruler was Alexander the Great.He hellenised the known world with Greek culture.   

Daniel 10:20
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon  was the most powerful  king in history. God predicted that after him, other kingdoms will be more inferior to the other. There would be deterioration . In power and quality.
Babylon was good in Gold historically
Medes and Persia were good in silver
Greece was good in bronze
Rome was good in iron
Democracy is iron and clay. Iron is power, clay is human right.The kingdoms are getting weaker and weaker . Democracy is the weakest government . Nebuchadnezzar could kill at will. But human right, animal right, etc . Woukd not allow a president to do as he wish.  The weak government of the world will soon be smashed by heavenly kingdom of The STONE.  CHRIST THE ROCK.

Matthew 21:44
44 aAnd whoever falls on this Stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom It falls will be crushed to powder [and It will bwinnow him, cscattering him like dust].


Daniel 9:34
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet [that were] of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

There are other prophecies that gave more accurate pictures in Daniel, revelations and other prophetic books. If these thing were predicted in the bible before they ever existed and they came to pass. Then, definately the things predicted in the bible for our time and future are coming to pass. The Bible is accurate.

uglybetty:
For me respecting a man of God is different from worshiping him.  When you begin to pray in his name. eg, in the name of -------, or you bow down to him,or you you take them in your heart as your lord and saviour, your hope, your provider, your very existance your all and all, and your maker then you are worshiping them. But  respecting them as your fathers in faith is different.  you can respect and take them just like you respect your parents. you respect their authority as your spriritual head by obeying their order where you are rooted. I advice you don't become rebellious because it is the spirit of witchcraft. Sometimes the devil will want to make you feel as if your respect is worship.That is the sign of that evill spirit called Rebellion, Which God almighty detest and detroned Lucifer from his post as the chief choirmaster. If you feel you are in a good church and you are rooted there, Plsssssssssssssssssssss don't feel that way. Their is a clear difference between WORSHIP and REPECT.

[size=14pt]GBAM . . .[/size] You made the good point.

beula2009:
@Joagbaje[There are christians who put rubbish on their face book. Things that don't edify. A pastor can guide them aright to use Facebook to preach the gospel rather. Will you call that idolising? It's leadership.

It seems you are CEC member which hapens to be my church . are you saying pastor Chris asked all members to quit facebook for kookos because of the above reason? naming it instructions?

Is that what I said? I only gave an instance on pastoral guidance . but for migrating from Facebook etc. It's a common sense thing. If you work with cocacola you should not wear pepsi face cap . We built other social websites by our visit and money. If your church has something that will be global , migrating with your loved ones to build it is a common sense. It is slave mentality to believe only in american products. Pastor chis is a trail blazer.Nigeria and Africa should be proud of him. I won't be surprised if other churches gets inspired to do likewise.[quote][/quote]

The link you gave is demanding I should buy a book. Is that what you call "simple"

@Ofor

Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits that the Bible might contain errors -- a faulty creation story here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible actually contains lies?

The bible contains Gods word. It's a book of prophecy. There was never a faulty creation story. If there is, point them out.
Many prophecies of the bible had come to pass. And they are historically accurate. The reign of alexander the great was prophesied thousands of years before. The birth of christ, his death. Roman invasion . Even the present world government of democracy was predicted.

There could be minor human error due to copying in terms of spellings and figures. But the truth of the bible is consistent. It's theme is about Gods eternal plan of salvation.

@enigma

Enigma:
@Joagbaje
In other words you have no proof let alone reliable proof as requested. If you have an honest intention, you could start your reeducation by reading that link provided by ysg4real; here again:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Just

I gave you bible proofs, what else can be more authentic than that? If you want other links on James you can start on this one. http://lionandlambministry.com/index.php/component/content/article/326-a-study-of-the-epistle-of-james.
Mind you I don't agree with everything there. But there is a lot there for you.I will add other links later.

@last page

I didn't see your post earlier.

lastpage:
@Joagbaje[/b]Okay, so other Apostles take their "believing wife" along on missionary missions! ,,,and he asked why he should be deprived on this benefit?

Question is: What that request genuine or NOT?

When the Bible says" what God has joined together, let no man put asunder"! Why should "man" try to separate James and his wife, when such union is ordained by God?
[b]Why then do you "count this against James", as shown in your quote above?

I have no issue with James honeymooning . My emphasis there was that he was "the lords brother" an not another James.

Enigma:
^^^ Where does one start with you??
You don't even know what you are talking about yet you assert them arrogantly! OK let me take just one or two things:
Please prove this with reliable evidence.
Did James become an apostle at any time? If so, when did he become an apostle.
Again prove this with reliable evidence and do NOT twist that passage.
Again, prove this.
I will leave the rest of your post - all rather tiresome and in fact I am beginning to wonder why I am again wasting time with you.

James and others were not involved with Jesus in his earthly ministry. We only knew about their disturbances in his meeting.. . ."thy brethren seek thee". . and jesus would nit answer them saying "my brethren are those who hear my Words."
Invariably ,they were not listening to his tapes .They didn't believe in him as messiah.

John 7:5
5 Even his brothers didn't believe in him.

All these had been Predicted , so It was a fulfilment of prophecies.

Psalm 69:8
8I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. 9For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up;

After the death of christ, he became converted and also was honoured as head of Jerusalem church .Peter initial position.he was a force in the early church.

Galatians 1:19
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

1 Corinthians 9:5
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?


He and his group made paul compromise the gospel by pretending to obey Jewish law and custom.

Acts21:18
And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. [/b]22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 [b]Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: [/b]and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, [b]and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

@enigma

Enigma:
Do you expect sensible people to compare James who was with Jesus and learned first hand from Jesus with a person like Oyakhilome? I put it to you again that only idolaters of Oyakhilome would think of holding Oyakhilome in higher regard than the apostle James.

James was never with Jesus, he was a pharisee ,he was not one of the apostles. He was Jesus younger brother. He didn't believe in Jesus until after the cross. He was a force among the Pharisees. When he got converted , he had Judaism mixed with his Christianity.

Paul on the other hand was converted by Jesus In A spectacular way. And Jesus taught him the deeper truths which the other apostles didn't have. Peter himself acknowledged that some ofnthe teachings of Paul were hard for them to understand. It was paul' that Jesus gave the revelation of the church to. Another apostle that had this deep insights was the closesth disciple to christ "John"   Many people dwell on the teachings of the gospels and refused to migrate to the teachings in the epistles .especially Pauline epistles. The gospels revealed who jesus was. The epistles reveal who the christian man is (in christ). Jesus didn't reveal everything in the gospels because they were yet to recieve the new birth.

John 16:12
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

He revealed by the holy spirit through paul and of course other apostles also but . But had the deeper knowledge and that is what we should go for. These are the things pastor chris is teaching.

Without looking down on James . He was a leader among the Pharisee sect . He had great followership among them.and this  group gave paul some tough time. Even Peter feared them. An incidence took place in Galatian when Peter saw some that came from James claiming , except a man be circumcised according to the law, he would not be saved. And that Jew should not eat with gentiles. James was the only one who called Christians sinners. He was the one that raised the issue of the anointing oil in the church. Jesus never used oil. And didn't tell us to use it. The practise was a Jewish tradition .but he brought it to the church,and many people are selling it today.   At the Jerusalem council James was quoting Jewish law for them there. I'm sure we discusses these in another thread before.

My point without being critical is that the church is still growing .  It is a work if the holy spirit. We can't judge present day work of the holy spirit by the imperfection of men in time past.

Paul had his personal reasons for some personal descisions he made. Someone else should not be judge by that but by the Word he teaches.

I gave my reasons. Many things have been said about his teachings which are not true. They created an idea of what they claim he represents in his teaching. I began to post some of his teachings for people to know what he really teaches. And many were surprised at some of the teachings because others have given them a wrong Idea of his teachings

KunleOshob:
@Joagbaje
There are several doctrines/ practises of oyakhilome which are glaringly wrong and obvious even to unbelievers which you would rather choose to ignore or even in most cases endorse just becos it was preached or practised by Oyaks. You find no wrong in what the scammer preaches even when it is obvious that the guy is a fraud, would that not be an act of Idolatory?

I would you rather bring up the issues . Certain issues raised here were mostly twisted and misquoted. And it comes in abuses whereby giving  no room for discussion

@Enigma

^^^ It is idolatry to esteem someone like Oyakhilome above the apostle James.

There is no comparison of person. I didn't make statement like that. We judge doctrine and not a person. James wasn't perfect. He made obvious doctrinal errors which paul corrected.  That doesn't mean we looked own on them. 
James was just a man like anyone else. I think it is idolatry to feel we are lesser than them . It simple biblical discussion we are having. and it's scriptural to judge doctrine and not a person. 

It is idolatry to be ready to disrespect someone like James but to see nothing whatsoever wrong or questionable in the teaching and/or practise of Oyakhilome.

It is not disrespect to compare a man's teaching with body of truth. It's a welcome idea. 

And as has been pointed out it is idolatry to get up in arms when someone "insults" Oyakhilome whereas you don't do the same when God, be it the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, is maligned.

the person that will insult God definitely is nit born again .he cannot be won by argument and fights . it's a waste of time. If someone ask a honest question about God . I respond like anyone else.

But it's a different thing when someone who is supposed to be a christian begins to peddle falsehood about other christian and ministers. I would try clarify their ignorance in the area I have information. And I will let them see by scriptures how erroneous his umbliiCal action is. this is not about pastor chris. But every minister and every christian. Even if anything went wrong . It is wrong for the church to wash it's dirty linen in public. In the eyes if sinners. Who we ought to be preaching to. 

The bible condemned having our matters tabled before unbelievers. There are bible ways to handle issues in the body of christ . I advocate we follow Jesus.

@poster
What book or chapter of the bible is that?
The bible is the most precise book. It is more current than tomorrows newspaper. There is no dispute so far for the age of the writings scientifically. Looking at the prophecies of old . How they came to pass. Looking at the fulfilment of prophecies in our days . Be rest assured that the things written in the bible about this end times will come to pass as well. Check your history and see the accuracy of the book of prophecy.

I don't relate with it either. I said earlier, it's fleshly, and its not justify.  my point is that it's a natural human tendency. Take jesus case for instance. Peter sliced somebody with a sword For his spiritual head. It was clear Jesus was against what Peter did.

In another instance, James and John felt Jesus was insulted by the Samaritans and they wanted to call fire to burn them.In defence of Jesus.

John 49:53
But [the people] would not welcome or receive or accept Him, because His face was [set as if He was] going to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John observed this, they said, Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, a even as Elijah did ? 

It's an issue of loyalty to who has affected your life one way or the other. Its not the same for someone who hasnt touched any life. Some mothers get beaten up by their children because theve been terrible mothers to them. But another  beat up others in defence of their mum.

What will be wrong is if a pastor engineers people to attack others because of personal insults meted on him. He will be acting in the flesh that way.

Dulcet7:
Joagbaje, What I'm saying is that some people hold God's own "Men of God" that they can see in higher esteem than the God they cannot see.

God never said anyone should fight for him. He commanded we should preach the gospel. A man who insults God lack truth. And it's the gospel that we need to preach to make known his knowledge . God us not glorified in railing insults on others for him. The gospel is communicated by love Not JIHAD.

But if someone defends his pastor. It's a natural loyalty thing. If someone insult God ,you may not respond to his folly. But if he insults your mother, there may be a reaction. It's an issue of loyalty.I'm not justifying it. But it's not idolatry . The disciples carried sword to fight for Jesus. It's a natural fleshly response .Especially when you know the accusations are unfounded.

Firstly the accusation against pastor Chris are false. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. Those who rail insults did so at their own discretion. It's not what pastor chris teaches. Besides some are from other churches and not CEC.

Satan has no friend. He kills,steals and destroys .

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It is wrong to send to rail insults on anybody for whatever reason. Either on behalf of a pastor or God .

Eat some fruits of the spirit dear .What is your reason for these holy christian abuses?  Mr religious

musKeeto:
Illiteracy and religion is like a keg of gun powder. Absolute power corrupts. I'm an RCCG member, but first and foremost, I realise my relationship with God is through Jesus Christ not E.A Adeboye. I have so many friends who have never realised that.

If we are to be honest, we would realise that the moment anyone says something wrong about E.A Adeboye or Oyedepo, there is a backlash against the 'pagan' especially on social networking sites.

A MAN of God is still and always will be a man-- prone to errors. It's like going to a wedding to see the best man instead of the bridegroom.

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds

This verse clearly shows one has to be careful to know the Scriptures like the people of Berea did, whom Paul acknowledged. If anything your pastor says contradicts the Word, it ain't the Word. It's that simple

I would also like to refer to Martin Luther King's post. quotations
"Any religion that preaches about the souls of men but fails to talk about the poverty that impoverishes them;The hunger that strikes them or the slum that damns them is a spiritually moribund religion awaiting burial' - Martin Luther King

In all these, I would still want to know ,what makes any o these points a matter of Idolatory. Let's define idolatry from the word and analyse it properly . Not just general statement. Is it idolatry to listen or submit to a man of God? . Is it idolatry to be corrected, rebuked by a man of God. Is it idolatry to recieve instruction by a man of God? . It is dsngerous to make general statements without definite clarity .

@beula2009

beula2009:
@Joagbaje
WHEN DOES A MAN OF GOD BECOME AN IDOL? in other word being worship as god. when his members starts treating him as one

You need to define this treatment The light of the Word of God. What treatment ?

is good to respect not worship as some who even fear their pastor more than God. e.g the head of my church passed an instruction asking all members to quit a particular social site for another, so I should follow becos MY PASTOR SAID SO?

That's a simple common sense. What has it got to do with idolising a man. A pastor has a role of a guidian in the life of members. He has the responsibility to guide them into wise descisions. if that's what you call idolising , you should read your bible well. Have you seen strong instructions paul gave?

There are christians who put rubbish on their face book. Things that don't edify. A pastor can guide them aright to use Facebook to preach the gospel rather. Will you call that idolising? It's leadership.