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openmine:
i dont understand ur question....r u implying that money was never in existence during the levitical period?

Ur totally wrong sir....tithing was never a God's kingdom principle....principles are based on laid down laws....and i believe u have biblical scriptures to prove where dose laws were stated right? [/quotes]

Principles don't have to be written laws. Offering, tithes , alms ,prayer ,worship , fasting etc are all spiritual principles discovered by revelations . Abel and Cain didn't require a written law to give offerings before God. Its a spiritual principle .

[quote]where was it stated pre-law that the people sud tithe(and please don't bring up Abraham jingle into this cos he never tithed)....sorry sir.....there is no such scripture because you erroneously or deceptively inserted it there....

U said it existed before the law......and i ask in astonishment,are you sir implying that any thing that existed before the law was given was NOT nullified?

Are you implying that circumcision was not nullified since it was pre-law?

If you said tithe was pre-law,why do u justify tithes collection

using the supposed nullified laws of moses to buttress ur reasons for tithing i.e malachi 3:10,numbers 18:10?

Finally where in the new covenant did paul say that tithe was a God's kingdom principle or are u d one that constructed and inserted it there?

It was more than just an order....it was contained in the old covenant....which has been nullified.

..we all know jesus is the high priest based on better promises and an oath from God.....the comparison of the priesthood of jesus and that of Melchizedek is based on the fact that "their priesthood abides continually"..

.but the priesthood of jesus christ is far better than that of other priests before now[b] including that of Melchizedek[/b]

So how does the Melchizedek order or levitical order make you a levite sir?
Please sir try again!

goodnews201668:
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?

Jozzy4:
u never answered the question

if u call yourself a pastor

how come you are deceived with the word "income" at Luke 11:42, does it appear in the greek ? or another attempt to fraud your ignorant members with spurious translations ? am dissapointed in you

- how does Luke 11:42 prove Jesus paid tithe ? do we found tithing among his apostles ?

EMILO2STAY:
you are always found defending the tithe doctrine on every thread exposing the tithe doctrine as a fraud and you claim to be a pastor. Joagbaje repent!!! True and genuin repentance is what you need. what kind of pastor preaches tithe to his congregation if he is not a thief, you are no different from our thieving poiliticians and yahoo boys. You claim to be led by the spirit of God yet You are a 419 theif. Joagbaje the wages of sin is death repent!!!.

Jozzy4:
then are you a fake Melchizedek ?

Melchizedek collect spoils of war , u collect cash

openmine:
Sir pls stop misquoting and taking those verses out of context....its very explicit from the verses that just as "the levites received wat was from the temple,ministers fed from their teachings...." In other words, ministers are to be supported as they teach the gospel .which is totally different from wat the levites obtained....cos they received food from the tithes of farm produce and d cattle herd which is contained in the law of moses in accordance with the old covenant ..

.i ask again...are you sir still under the old covenant..or under a levitical priesthood?

You compare ministers or refer to them as levites forgetting that levites operated from an annulled and invalid covenant which contains the laws of moses.....dere is no reason whatsoever for such comparison.....its like comparing the law of moses to the law of grace...immpossicant

Jozzy4:
are you Melchizedek ?

Jozzy4:
the moment I read your quote above, i pity your flock .. how can you call call urself a pastor and u are fooled that income appear @ Luke 11:42 ??

secondly, how does that verse prove Jesus paid tithes a tradition not found among his apostles ?

openmine:
pls how does Dis verse in any way equate or refer ministers of d gospel to d levites....?
d verse 13 refers 2 d priest and levites of d old covenant... r u sir still under d old covenant?
Verse 14,inasmuch as d Lord ordained dose who preach d gospel to leave off it...in oda words b supported 4 d work dey carry out,how does Dis equate pastors or ministers wit d levites....?
I repeat sir,wit all due respect,we sud stop teaching or preaching wat God has not said....its completely erroneous... I wud not want 2 use inappropriate words but I believe u get d message....dat verse never equated or referred 2 pastors or ministers of d gospel as d levites of our time...its completely ridiculous 2 say so....smh

brocab:
{Luke 18:12}I go without food twice a week and I give a tenth of everything I earn. God give the commandment to tithe only in food. I give up my food to give ten percent of it to the poor.
Of course it is Obvious I did read your page clearly, even you sound like a prosperity preacher.
Tithing was never given in cash. Neither did the Pharisees tithe in cash. {Matthew 23:23}
Which means you don't tithe the way God had commanded some Jews to tithe.

brocab:
Its nice you had written using your own words, but I am more interested in the scriptures, you need to prove Jesus paid a tithe and when?

Also it would be interesting if you can point out in scriptures everyone paid tithes,

and could you explain why did God command only the Levites were to collect the tithes

are the pastors now classed as Levites, Is this why you tithe?

openmine:
its very wrong to equate or relate the sons of levi to ministers or pastors of today....its sheer manipulation and outright distortion of the gospel....please as Christians,we must endeavor to teach the word of God without attaching wat is NOT written in the bible.....There is NO part in the bible where pastors or apostles became levites of our time....Such insinuations are totally erroneous and a mockery of the word of God that was very explicit on the subject of tithes to the levites

Jozzy4:
the bible speaks about the Tribe ! mr man

Ubenedictus:
the levite are actually d sons of levi, it is a tribe in isreal.

Lubixy:
In his sock! How on earth did he think he wont be found out § i know am not a pro In theft but even as a kid i knew where to hide my stolen milk :-/ how dum can some1 be

jayriginal:
So which Levite has been giving you your tithes?

Ochoiho:
The type of Church You attend will determine whether you make it to Heaven or not.

brocab:
Tithing was under the law, and God gave a commandment for some farmers,

not all people paid tithes.

Not even Jesus paid tithes

Abraham paid a custom {tithe} on goods that didn't belong to him.

The way God had commanded the people to tithe back then, isn't the same way how you tithe today.
Think about this-have you or had anyone else you know, had ever gone out into the streets, to witness and fed the poor, If your answer is yes? Then I ask you did you give them cash or food?

brocab:
And do you tithe the way God commanded some Jews to tithe?, All have you re arrange your tithing skills for cash?
Show us viewers where does it say in scripture bring all your cash into the storehouse where my pastor maybe fed?
And if you can't produce such scripture, then I suppose this matter is closed.

Image123:
Why should He tell sinners and not tell us? The Holy Spirit does not condemn sinners BTW. He reproves

The Holy Spirit will tell us if we are doing wrong.

Toyolad:
As a really curious person, I have been following the arguments for and/or against the existence of a supreme being who has the power to tweak the laws of nature in exigent circumstances (or arbitrarily).

goodnews201668:
Maybe you don't know that christ himself witnessed for Jehovah too.
In fact the theme of his preaching campaign while on earth was about the kingdom of God or God's Kingdom!

analice107:
Really?

joyandfaith:
a click at www.jw.org and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses will give you balanced view on jw not outright misleading info from disgruntled individuals.

peteregwu:
So oshofa is also a prophet of God? Can't stop laughing with my teeth clenched.

Ken4Christ:
JW are not Christians for the following reasons
1. They do not believe that Christ was raised from the dead bodily. They said God could have melted the body of Jesus with chemicals. When you point to how he appeared to his disciples and asked doubting Thomas to touch him, they said that Jesus just materialized that moment. What a lie from the pit of hell.
2. They are not born again. You can not be a believer unless you are born again. Jesus said, you must be born again. John 3:1-7
3. They deny the deity of Christ. They say Jesus is not God. But the Bible teaches otherwise. You have only three class of being higher than the animal life. You are either a human being, angel or God. We all know Jesus is not human. He only took up our human nature to redeem us. We also know he is not an angel. He is God because he is the Son of God. His father is his God. He is only suspect to his father. The father that you have a boss in your office doesn't make your boss more human. In the same sense, the fact that the God his father is the head of Jesus doesn't make him more God. They have the same nature in essence. That is why Jesus said, anyone who has seen me has seen my father. He is the express image of God. John 1:1 summarizes it - In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.
3. They deny the existence of a place of torment called hell based on preconceived opinion not based on scriptures. They present it from a logical reasoning that a God of love cannot throw people into hell. If this is true, then Sodom and Gomorrah will have a legal right to protest the destruction of their lives and the two cities with fire. My readers, hell is real. Jesus spoke about it in his teachings with no trace of ambiguity. He used different terms to describe hell and the manner of suffering. He calls it, furnace of fire, everlasting fire, fire that cannot be quenched, where the worms do not die. He also said that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth night and day.
4. They will never preach Christ to you who is the very essence of Christianity.
5. They do not believe Jesus is coming back. Rather, they teach he has already returned spiritually.
6. They deny the deity and the person of the Holy Spirit calling him a wind of force.
7. They say only 144,000 will make heaven. This is a lie from the pit of hell.
8. They preach salvation is by work. The Bible says it is by grace - Ephesians 2:8 - 9.
9. They have made many false predictions of the earth and of the world. That makes them false prophets.
10. They claim to be the only mouth piece of God. That is a weird claim. God can not have just one month piece. He told Elijah that he has 7,000 prophets reserved.
I can go on and on. I admire their commitment but they are not Christians. They are agents of darkness. They are anti Christ. Only those who are perishing listens to them. Their messages appeals to the senses but they are not scriptural.

highyo:
you don't read bible like. story book, but you need holyspirit for you to understand it.
you can't understand more than what.

because Jesus made a. sample of. the ring given to the prodigal son never means he has changed his

a parable of a Steward that lavish the goods of his master, and when he realised his master. will take his stewardship. from. him, he begin to bribe his debtors so that they too can help. him if his master. kick. him out. (Luke16:1-10)
So is Jesus now supporting. Bribery? or is he now supporting being unfaithful

the ring which his father gave to him symbolised Royalty, and not body adornment

Gen41:42 Pharaoh gave Joseph a ring as signs of royalty

Esther3:10 The. king gave Haman his ring as a symbol of royalty

Ether. 8:2 The king gave Mordecai his

you can't read bible like story book and think you understtand it, you need holyspirit. for. interpretation

James 2:2
who are the people. James are refering to here? the royal people, the pride and the king that depends on riches, you must. never hornor. them because of their riches, so where has God asked us to deck ourself. with these. cursed items?

highyo:
even if. I show you that bible said, thou shall. not steal, you will still argue it. so you are not willing to learn,but just want to argue.if i can show you close to 5 scriptures yet you still argue it, then you can't point finger on me that i never. warned you.
even if. you reject my warning now and follow the part of Marha, these. warning one day will follow you to the grave one day, and by then it will be too late

God is holy and his kingdom. is holy
nothing of the devil can qualified for. his kingdom

Purerealist:
If hell is real and once you die you get judged, then why is it that every person that died and resurrected in the bible (including Jesus) never mentioned hell or claimed that they were burning in hell?

highyo:
this is the only one that deserved to be answered in all your questions.

Jesus was never given gold to put on his body. and moreover, Mary or Joseph collected it and not Jesus

no isrealite uses jewelry of gold or silver for body adornment.

God said, in Exodus 33 that they should remove it.

God never asked them to put it on again.

it became forbidden for Is real right from that day to adorn their body with ornament

analice107:
@Ops.
For the benefit of others here, I will like you to throw more light on why you think God allowed Angel Gabriel to be detained for 3 weeks, while his servant Daniel waited.
When Daniel started praying, God answered by sending Gabriel with a responds, He also new that Gabriel is not a Warrior Angel, so will not, or can not do anything to free himself from the unslaught of demons. The demons knew that fact too. So, why didn't God sent Michael right away to release Gabriel, why wait to 3 weeks? Over to you sir, or anyone??