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highyo:
let me start from the beginning for you.
in the beginning, God made everything perfect including the gold and other . but it was never for body adornmen. but it became scarce and hard to see after men fell into sin.

Kindly give the passage where you got this.

Abraham was known as rich bybthe numbers of gold and cattle's he has. when his slave went to get wife for Isaac , he gave Rebecca a ring Gen24:22 . but it was never a problem during these period. but to confirmed even when it was never a problem then, Isreal still regard it as strange idols in Gen35:5

It wasn't Abraham gold that was idol. Secondly for the fact that an object is abused doesn't make it evil. The fact that someone use white wrapper in a shrine doesn't demonise white wrapper.

But God never hold it against them by then, because if he does, he won’t instruct them to collect the jewelries and the
gold of the Egyptians before they left Egypt then.
God allow them to take and collect their wealth
because he knew they love it, and since they
love it, they can go ahead and take it from them,
because God love what they love.

God didn't do it because they love gold . He already prophesied to spoil the Egyptian 400 years earlier. Gold was a medium of exchange .

But it became
a problem for the Israelite after they turned it
into an Idol in Exo32, and God asked them to
remove it on their body never will he want to see
it on their body again or else, he will destroy
them. In Exodus33:5 Ye area stiffnecked people:
I will come up into the midst of thee in a
moment, and consume thee: therefore now put
off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know
what to do unto thee. This is God calling Israel
stiffneck people (stubborn people) before you
can call a child stiffneck, that means you have
being warning him of a particular things and he
fail to repent from it.

It's assumption . God didn't ban the use of gold . Moses only asked them to put of ornaments because he was seeking Gods face for that day. It was a kind of fast. They still had possession of gold after that and still have of it to God as willing offerings when the terbenacle was being built.

in Ezikel7:19-22 God explain to Ezekiel why
he has forbid Israelite from putting on Jewelries,
and how he has made it unclean thing for them
to put on.

God was against idolatry . Not gold .

whatsoever God cursed can never be blessed. 1peter3:3 also warned against it.

He never cursed gold . Jesus was given gold and silver as infant . It wasn't seen as object of Devils also Don't forget we will wear a crown of gold in heaven . Will it be a crown of curse? Gold belong to God . The fact that someone misuse it doesn't corrupt it. Even meats offered to idols can still be eaten by a man of understanding .

highyo:
then I will advice you to re check your bible once again

I have , I think it's time you check yours , let's lay aside Man's doctrine and deal with pure word of God. Remember it's a sin to add to scripture what it didn't say . Don't call unholy what God made holy.

at least with the above note on jewelry, God should be able to open your eyes to see something hidden from you

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What I saw above are just personal opinion and misapplication of scriptures . If Gold is evil then God would be wrong to bless Abraham with it.

Genesis 13:1
And Abram went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south.

Besides scripture made it clear that gold and silver belong to God . And he blessed his beloved with them .

Job 22:24
Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust,
and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.

Haggai 2:8
The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts.

craziebone:
http://loveworldtelevisionministry.org/site/insight/ror-17th-feb/

hmm, you come off as a more open person. I want you to know that i am not out to diss anyone. I understand it if you, @Joeagbaje or @gombs is paranoid and thinking everryone is only out to diss you and tell you you are not in line with christianity hence, you became defencive by default. But Its a pity @gombs related with this thread the way he did.

I was in my sister's house when i saw the ROR february edition. I opened it and saw that particular episode. When i saw it, i remembered the long standing arguement between the Catholics and other christians particularly, the portestants, pentecostals and other organizations like the watch tower organization of pennsylvania A.KA Jehovah's witness. The long-standing debate was wether anyone on earth has the power to forgive sin. The catholics believe that their ordained ministers have the power to forgive sin and that Jesus gave them that power. The other christians found this intolerable. They feel it is idolatory to go to a priest for confession and forgiveness of sins, denying that anyone on earth has the power to absolve another person of their sins.

So when i saw that episode on ROR, i was like..."could it be that other christians, CE members in particular, are now begining to agree with the catholics in a debate that has lasted for over 500years?

I was also wondering if you @Joeagbaje and @Gombs and all the other CE members here, before seeing it in ROR, have ever disagreed with the catholics on wether believers can forgive sins, and if you are now making a u-turn.

It's not about agreeing with Catholics it's about taking the word of God for what it says . We can forgive and we can retain

highyo:
this is just. a figure of. speech, (Simile) i think

It's a simple principle revealed . Women have need of ardonment . God won't use sinful illustration. I hope you get my point

Read that scripture again and see the spirit of the communication ..

Jeremiah 2:32
Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

God was dealing with simple common sense among the people .

but read it from Genesis down to Revelation, only Jezebel ever deck himself with external adornment

Firstly the sin of Jezebel was not in ardoning herself . It's just a simple common sense for women. Her sin was her wickedness .And It's not true that she's the only one who decked herself in bible days . Both male and female ardoned themselves . Rather you will find from Genesis to revelation the Use of ardonment .

Genesis 24:22
22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;

And you will never find a place where God call ardonment a sin. If there is bring it on.

highyo:
I don't care about who called them into ministry, but I know God will never call anyone into ministry and caused his /her. life. styles to contradict his word.

Is all these just because they didn't wear a hat? What is their lifestyles that you know?

highyo:
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before. you decide to dress in a way that will cause men to lust after you, you will first thinkit in. your hearth. before you decide. to put it into action.

The women of God you labeled as hell bound Martha, what is wrong with the dressing ?

Rom1:26. they change the natural into unnatural

before. you decide. to dress in an artificial beuty, you must firt think it in your heart that God is imperfect, and you are. ashamed of your natural hair, so you want to help God by using artificial to adorn yourself.

You're seriously misquoting that scripture sir. A woman is object of beauty and God made them so. He believes in ardoning of women . He even likened the new Jerusalem as a bride ardoned for her husband . God will not use evil to illustrate good.

Jeremiah 2:32
Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

I don't know what the Catholic believes about forgiveness but according to the bible the church has the power to retain or forgive sins . But I would have appreciated if you post the rhapsody episode you're making reference to.

holahmihdeh:
Don't get it twisted please. A pserson's outer appearance can NEVER and will NEVER qualify him or her for heaven. If God is more interested in the outer appearance then why did he say in 1 Samuel 16:7 "But the Lord said to Samuel, do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart."

God is much more interested in your heart. He said in the scriptutes, "htese people praise me with lips but their hearts (Not outward appearance) are far away from me.

True talk

You can't be part of the church at the same time speak such evil words against the body you commune with. If a minister preach about tithe it doesn't mean that's all he preaches . Churches preach the whole counsel of God . Why should you dwell only on the mention of tithe. Don't churches preach on salvation , repentance , Prayer ,fasting etc? You come to public forum to rubbish the church . Just to sell your agenda

The venue of a church is not an issue. It's even better to take the church to where the sinners are. It will only empty the beer Parlour . Of course not everybody will want to attend a church situated in such places . Some can't even attend a church in a hotel but it doesn't matter . It's the vision of the minister that counts. The gospel should be taken to where the sinner is.

bobmarcell:
There was a time,when
People went to church,heard the truth and wept overtheir
sins.
Today people go to church
Hear a Motivational speach and ignore their sins

A minister should preach the whole counsel . How long will they be weeping over sin. They need a motivation to walk above sin and its consciousness .

There's no fallacy ,The issue about forgiveness is not Forgeting but rather letting go .

abdulhadi101:
Lols...because black market, are thieves in disguise....

They are not thieves . They are simply business men

Two things I will recommend, seek a minister to cast out spirit of lust from you . Or get married that's the least the Bible recommended for burning passion.

1 Corinthians 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

She probably was never saved before. And seems she like publicity for attention.

Eagleeye0007:
How do we reconcile this with Jesus'command to us to love and pray for our enemies? I'm just asking? Check up this beautiful article on God's kind of love

There's difference between personal enemy and enemy of the church. A man of God who is anointed has ability to pronounce judgement which can even be fatal .

Acts 13:9-11
Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand


Galatians 5:12
12 My desire is that they who give you trouble might even be cut off themselves.

2 Thessalonians 1:6
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
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thesicilian:
One word : intent.

They said, “Come, let us build a city for ourselves, and a tower whose top
will reach into the heavens, and let us make a [famous] name for ourselves,
so that we will not be scattered [into separate groups] and be dispersed over
the surface of the entire earth [as the LORD instructed].”
Genesis 11:4 (Amplified version)


The Tower of Babel was built for 2 reasons : to glorify men (& not their maker) & 2. As a direct disobedience to God's instructions to replenish and fill the entire earth.

Man's mission into space is essentially in search of knowledge, not as a result of defiance to the word of God.

Remember, sin is a transgression of the law, where there's no law therefore, there's no sin

Good point

LEAFLET:
Why did God stop the Tower of Babel from reaching Heaven but didn't stop spaceships from being launched into space? and if heaven is the sky as the Bible claims,then why don't we see heaven when we go to space?

God didn't stop the building . They actually built it.

Genesis 11:5
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded

He was rather against the idea of staying in one place instead of filling the earth. This was the beginning of continental drift. After this God divided the earth into continent . And the drift began .

Genesis 10:25
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided

It's been proven scientifically that the continents of the world which appears to be drifting apart yearly could fit into each other like a jigsaw puzzle . And must have been together as one mass of land in time past

adeaks:
This is interesting.

They always say T.B Joshua miracles are fake and contrived. Now I am wondering, Did T.B Joshua also fake the deliverance of the President's eldest Son? If so, would the president have gone along with the hoax?

Nice question to ask

EastGold:
A prophet is not valued in his town.

True

ATMC:
Gombs it is 1cor 9:17-23 that you quoted. I expect you to have corrected it by modifying your post but it's like it does not matter to you. You may think the most important thing is for me to get 'your' message not 'the' message and so the MISTAKE doesn't matter but you see, that's a wrong thinking. In fact that's the thinking that got some Christians in the mess they 're in today.

Now to the message: read verse 18 of the chapter you quoted in amplified version of the bible and you will understand that it is very wrong to attach price to the gospel. Rhapsody of realities ought to be free without charge based on this scripture. Even though it is printed with money, it is wrong to think it is RIGHT for the author to gain the money used for the printing when he copied from the bible freely.

Again, people partner with ROR so ought this book not to be free? It's already paid for by the partners. Why is it sold, even to the partners? That's like paying for it twice. Is it a godly act?

Once again, Verse 18, if there is a charge for the gospel, it is an abuse.

I think you should rather ask question on how things are done than making a false accusation . Nobody sell what had been paid for . It's not just a sin , it's criminal and dishonesty and we don't do such. Ask questions rather

fallout87:
If there is any demon it came from TB into that poor man.

False prophets continually misleading puerile who desire miracles and signs.

You're wrong. The man went there for solution because he knew his problem . Have you watched his testimony of his freedom? .

Balkan:
My people perish for lack of Knowledge.
For me, I enjoyed the show. Well scripted. This is show biz.

Not acting, that's a real demon manifesting

Topgainer:
But Pastor Chris never requested that the body of Christ should pray for him.

He doesn't need to . It's part of our priestly ministry as saints to pray one for another . I don't know if I should quote scripture for you on that . But My point is ,Instead of gossiping , pray!

he maintained that he was sinless whether he meant that his sins do not count or that he is not involved in any within the period of the separation, accusation and counter accusations. I don't know

Stop quoting what never was. He didn't say that.

But he said we should pray for Anita. And that I have done,

thanking God for delivering Anita from that pseudo Christianity

I don't know what you mean

I thought he is an. Israelite. American Jew

[color=Red]1 Corinthians 15:19
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable ().[/color]

God always connects everything He does with eternity, because He thinks in terms of eternity. He's the eternal God, and always, He deals with things that last forever.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 (NIV), the Bible says, "He has made everything beautiful in its time.

He has also set eternity in the hearts of men...." He brought eternity to men so they can see beyond this world.

Sadly, some Christians don't realize this; hence their business, family plans, interests and relationships aren't connected to eternity. Everything God is interested in, and all that He does, is connected to eternity. So, set your focus on eternity. Set your mind on God's purpose for your life.

That's what counts! It has to be a revelation that you accept, endorse and imbibe into your spirit; a knowledge that's a controlling principle in your life. That means everywhere you go, and everything you do, you're inspired by God's eternal purpose and perfect will for your life.

The Lord is teaching, inspiring, and strengthening you through His Word today, because He's looking beyond the present moments, beyond the month or year you're in presently. He's even looking beyond all the years that you would live on earth. He's looking at what you'll do with your life in this world, which would determine what eternity would be for you. Therefore, look beyond this world.

ATMC:
Pastor Chris gave free copies or church members contributed?

Both, wanna join?

Gombs:
I will quote you this once, as i am not trying to convince you, but make viewers see how myopic your bible knowledge is... this is not a vulgarity session, you, my friend have a very minute bible knowledge.

In Numbers 12:1, Moses' wife became the apparent reason for Miriam and Aaron's rebellion against Moses.

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. (NIV)

you for some reasons beyond biblical truths claims they are same woman, that she is a Cushite dwelling in Midian. You went further to claim that the father was A CUSHITE who became a chief in Midian, your reasons being that Joseph et al did same in foreign lands. I did not want to drag it further with you, as your bible knowledge is slimier than a needle's tip, i held my peace.

To make one last move to edify you, let me point this out. The bible called Zipporah's father a Priest of Midian, and his ancestry is traced to Midian, Abraham's son. He was a full blooded Midianite. HE WAS NOT A MIGRANT. I have already showed you that your Cushite Midianicans theory is complete baloney.

Moses married this midianite, had kids even before he went to set Israel free from Egypt, along with Aaron. Aaron must have met his sister-in-law, and so must have Miriam. Therefore, the Cushite lady in the book of Numbers could not have been Zipporah...for there would be no need for the anger towards the lady he married especially before the law.

And, if this reference was to Zipporah, whether in regards to her skin color or ethnicity, it is somewhat remarkable that Aaron and Miriam's displeasure would begin so late. They certainly would have lots of time to have expressed it previously on the Exodus.

Moses married a midianite before the law, and after the law, he wasn't supposed to marry outside the law. That was Aaron's and Miriam's anger, that he not only broke the law, but married outside the covenant. Miriam and Aaron may not have liked that Moses was initially married to a Midianite but they would have understood the extenuating circumstances that led to that union (it happened before the law). Now, here goes Moses marrying outside of the Israelites again!

As Zipporah is never again mentioned (chronologically) in the text, it is quite logical to assume Moses' Midianite wife had died and Moses had now, shortly after, married another woman who was Cushite. God's subsequent vindication of Moses, in the face of Miriam and Aaron's displeasure, implies that Moses had done no wrong in the circumstances leading to their actions. As can be seen throughout the Old Testament, God is normally quite willing to call out leaders for the wrong actions, either directly or through those around them. Zipporah's death can be reasonably assumed.

Remember in the midst of their journey, as they were at an "encampment" (KJV says "inn", God struck Moses with a very serious illness for failing to circumcise his son (likely the younger one Eliezer). It appears that he was so sick that he was unable to do it himself, so Zipporah did it. Her words that followed to Moses were "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" (Ex 4:25). Most believe that she was opposed to infant circumcision (as were her Midianite people), so Moses did not perform the circumcision in order to please her. However, when she saw that God would take her husband's life for failing to do so, she did it herself, but the ritual disgusted her, thus her words to Moses.

After this event, we see Moses meeting up with Aaron and heading for Egypt (Ex 4:27-31). We do not hear about Zipporah and the two boys again until (Ex 18:1-7).

In (Ex 18:1-7) we see that Jethro is going to go visit Moses, taking with him Zipporah "after he had sent her back" (Ex 18:2). So, clearly, Moses had sent her away to Jethro at some point. Verses 1-7 tell us about this visit of Jethro, and the reunion of Zipporah and the two sons with Moses.

Because there is no mention of Zipporah and the boys after the circumcision until the reunion, nearly everyone agrees that they likely returned to Jethro right after that event. Therefore, the time for their return was right before Moses went to Egypt.

In all, it is clear Zipporah and the Cushite were two different people!

Miriam and Aaron were angry he married outside the law, God vindicated him because, he should have paid dearly for breaking the law, but for the record, the Law only banned Israelites from taking wives of "those who live in the land," namely the peoples/nations who were under God's judgment in the land of Canaan (Exodus 34:15-16). Moses therefore did no wrong in taking a subsequent wife who was a Cushite.

Gombs you get time o!

This long epistle is not necessary . Especially for the individual involved . It's like casting pearls to swine . Certain people are to be ignored . The truth here is simple common sense . Why would Aaron be angry over a marriage Moses had been for over 40 years ? Besides s He had no law then. Didn't Joseph marry from Egypt? Beside the father was a priest of God who had saved Moses life and ministry It's a simple common sense . but as the saying goes . Common sense is not common.

[color=Red]1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/color]

Savant:
I did a little research concerning the issues between Pastor Chris and his wife when I stumbled unto that viral message he had with his pastors in UK. So when I saw this message on Nairaland my interest was further piqued. I don't know which faction is saying the absolute truth but from the viral message I came up with the following:

1. Chris wanted to save his marriage. He refused to let anyone take sides and he insisted he and his wife were one.

2. Whatever issues they had, (even though he didn't state it) we can infer that it had to do with a power tussle and perhaps his views on submission in marriage.

3. I say power tussle because he referred to the fact that before marriage, Pastor Anita was a member of Rev Tom's church. Which to me was his subtle way of saying she was under someone's authority and will not become spiritually superior to him just because of marriage.

4. I also said submission in marriage, because he alluded to a message on marriage he made that perhaps rubbed Anita the wrong way. Some way in the message he said "I am not a fool. I cannot preach a message that will be detrimental to my children. I have 2 girls"

5. I am assuming his position on marriage according to that message made women totally answerable to their husbands. There is a reason to believe this because her divorce document had a statement that related to her not agreeing with his position on marriage and claiming it was too extreme.

6. She didn't accuse him of Adultery.

7. It is very possible that she asked for some female pastors to be sacked. Perhaps this is also why he said he answered to God and would not disobey God to please anybody. He hinted at that in his "I am a MOG not a preacher" message and asked the church to pray for her.

8. Whatever abuse she felt, maybe it was because some ministry decisions were taken without her or that he refused to listen to her advice that he should let the said female pastors go. I doubt he was physically abusing her or using caustic words on her. Female kids usually take their mum's side in such a situation and I don't get the impression that his children are at loggerheads with him.

9. [size=18pt]Whatever it is, since the family want to keep it private, then people should leave them be.
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My 2 cents.

Another Christian especially your last point . Hope all busy body will take note


1 Peter 4:15
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer,. . . or as a [size=18pt]busybody[/size] in other men's matters.

kallmemrB:
your write up in incomplete...you should have educate people more on the various gift of prophesy....

and also u font learn or copy it...its a divine gift...dont say blablabla cos ur pastor or prophet is saying it

read 1Corinthians Chapter 12 and 14 for better understanding

is there any place i talked about copying prophecy?

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues ().

In Acts 2:17 Peter quoted the words of the prophet Joel:

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy ....”

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came. In Acts 1:8, Jesus said

you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

One of the ways to put that power to work is through the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is a door to the supernatural; it’s a way to bring the supernatural power of God into your life, finances, job, or congregation if you’re a minister of the Gospel. Therefore, you must learn to prophesy! If you speak in tongues long enough, the anointing will come on you to prophesy; the Word of God will bubble up within you. And when that anointing comes on you, with the Word boiling inside you, give it vent; let it out. That’s prophecy.

To prophesy is to speak words that have divine potency; words that have life; so, don’t despise prophecy. Prophecy is like a guiding light. It was through prophecy that the people knew about the coming of Jesus. There were so many prophecies that the Saviour—the Messiah—would come. The only proof that God had for the people to recognize and say, “This is the messiah,” was His Word spoken by the prophets about Christ—the Messiah.

Prophecy is vital. Have there been prophecies about your life? Paul said to Timothy,

“This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare” (1 Timothy 1:18).

Make war with those prophecies. Take every word of prophecy concerning your life seriously. Write them down, so you don’t forget, and chart your course with the creative power of God’s Word in your mouth.