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Hell and heaven should be talked about. there should be balance. but dont forget that we will not stay in heavrn forever. the new earth is our final abode

Goshen360: As much as I agree with you on the above. I don't see it as corresponding with what enhances "GOOD STUDY". Your method of going through the whole bible in a year or less or two years is good but, listening to the word everywhere and to reading are both different from STUDY. Do you know you can get stuck in one chapter for days/weeks when you are doing a good STUDY....because you really want to PROVE the text. It will involve checking every parameters surrounding a STUDY text.

You're right Goshen, i was misled by the title. i didnt really read the full content. So i assumed it was inly about bible reading . That's why I gave that response .

I do study but I may not have the time to study 3 chapters in a day. A verse as you said can take me off for the rest of the day . Most times I study by topic. But on e in a while I do Verse by verse study.

i do finish the bible in a month or 2. my secret, audio bible. while driving while working,while in the bathroom. i have it in my phone,ipad,wristwatch etc. im constantly listening to bible.

you can read the bible in a year by devotionals like rhapsody of realities. you will be, mandated to read at least 3chapters daily with that you would have finished the entire bible in one year. it has two programmes. one year plan and a two year plan. take the one that is, more convinient.

and whats that?

ambrosini593: The billboard seems beautiful. But what I don't understand are the various profession in it. What's your view about it?

the messageon it is a clear indication it wasnt from him

yes i think was done by the multimedia department or so. several groups did different banners for birthday greeting.

frosbel: what !!

Head covering does not represent the authority of the husband, where did you get this from ?

Remember that Paul was dealing with a problem in the Corinthian church . He wasn't just preaching. Reports came to him that some women one to church without their headgear. Every married woman is supposed to cover her head as a singh that she's married. It represents the husband authority. Shamefaced ness and submission. Just like in India where a married woman must put a Red dot on her fore head. We have some alhajis wife's in Nigeria who have to cover their faces and legs in black black to show they were married to alhajis . So report came to paul that some married women don't cover again because of liberty in Christ . And paul had to address it. It's not a spiritual teaching but a cultural teaching

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1 Corinthians 11:5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered[b] dishonoureth her head:[/b] for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Who is her head that she dishonoured? The husband of course. Paul gave the code in verse 3

1 Corinthians 11:3
. . . . ; and the head of the woman is the man; . . . .

It was a cultural thing based on spiritual principle of submission. A woman without head cover was like a woman without wedding ring.!![/quote]

Fr0sbel: Paul knew that his fellow Jews were Jewish by nature (in the flesh/physical), but that they were not his “spiritual” brothers and sisters, (born again of the Spirit) in the Lord. A Jewish person without faith in Jesus Christ, is as lost as a Gentile without faith in Jesus Christ! The bogus and false teachers of today will try to seduce you into believing that the Jewish people are still in covenant with God despite their rejection of Jesus Christ, but that is a spiritual impossibility., A person cannot be in relationship with the true and living God, without coming through the Son Jesus Christ. (John 14:6, Acts 4:10-12) In fact the Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ is to receive the same honor which the Father receives and nothing less. Here is an actual quote from Jesus Christ himself:

God has a calendar for the salvation of the Jews , isreal is a nation chosen by God divine election. Ofcourse some Jews got saved in the bible days and some Jews are getting saved till date. But the salvation of isreal must be a national Salvation. Because God has chosen to put his name there . Their being cut off temporarily today was Gods doing . He made them blind so that they will miss their messiah . He used Isaiah to prophesy this evil upon them. So it's not really their fault .

Isaiah 6:10
Make the heart of this people fat,and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes;lest they see with their eyes,and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Matthew 13:13-14
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

That's why Paul Labourer so hard in vain in disobedience trying to save isreal but he couldn't .because the anointing upon him was for the Gentiles.

Romans 9:1-2
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

Romans 10:1
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

He risked his life many times trying to preach to the jews He finally had to give up on his fruitless venture.After making his final disobedient attempt in acts 28.

Acts 28:25-26
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.:


He raised us Gentiles to get them jealous. Till their appointed time. When the time comes ,God will shift attention to them again and they shall be saved as a nation not as individuals.

Only the bible can define faith

Hebrews 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.q

God kind of faith can only come by Gods word

Romans 10:17
So then] faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

frosbel: Have you considered that the present day Israel is a great deception sent by Satan to derail the church , the true Israel

That's not true. They are fulfillment of prophecy. As I shared earlier.

Why do you not accept what Scripture says about who the true Israel is.?

“For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one n Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.” - Galatians 3:26-29

I accept what the bible says . That's in Christ but not in God. In God they are still beloved and he loves them. The kingdom of Christ is trmpora. There will be a unity whereby Christ will deliver his kingdom to the father. Christ is the head of the church .

[quote]Theologians ? Who are they ?

The term refers to bible scholars and prophecy students

Peter , Paul , John , Thomas etc , were not Theologians, why do we need them, what happened to the Holy Spirit ?

They were. Anyone who study the doctrine of God is. We have secular theologians and spiritual theologians. The secular ones may teach in the university by they don't know Christ
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Friend, before the Jews moved into that land gradually until 1948, Palestinian Arabs lived there and had been for centuries. To suddenly kick them out because God said so does not line up with the bible.

The Othoman empire invaded the land and conquered it. Moved the natural Jews out and brough Arabs to occupy it. Them they changed the name to " THE LAND OF PALESTINE" thereby wiping the name of isreal from the map of the world in fulfillment of prophecy.

Psalms 83:4
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

These occupiers are the Palestinians today. Isreal was able to push them out in 1948 and became a nation again.

Israel the physical received a deadly wound in 70ad when the temple was destroyed, today the wound is healed and they are warmongering all over the middle east. Are we saying that God supports this rascal behavior of the so called chosen. Are they better that the Palestinians ? Are we not all human ?

Don't forget that salvation was primarily Jews. Out of the 490 year callendar for their redemption they had 7 years left.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city [Jerusalem], to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, to bring in everlasting righteousness (permanent moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation) to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies.


The count down began when axterxerxes commanded the Jews like Nehemiah and Ezra to rebuilt Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Anointed One, a Prince, shall be seven weeks [of years] and sixty- two weeks [of years]; it shall be built again with [city] square and moat, but in troublous times.

You can see from the above the specific date for Christ death was predicted .

Out of the 490 years countdown the Jews had had spent 450 yrs remaining only 40 years left in Gods calendar to their full redemption. Jesus died about the age of 33 only 7years left in the calendar. If the Jews had accepted Christ at even at his death , the calendar would have continued that's why paul fought frantically to preach to the Jews but God forbade him. So the remaining 7 years is suspended temporary. God shifted attention to Gentiles for the time being . A new nation "THE CHURCH" is born. After the last of the gentile is saved , the church will be raptured and the attention of God will shift back to isreal to continue the remaining 7 years. But this time the 7 years will be tribulation for isreal. After 3/12 years their eyes will be opened . According to Daniel 12 by an incidence called "ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION" that's when their new Christ "ANTICHRIST" will show his true color by desecrating the temple and claiming to be God.

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Matthew 24:15[/b]When ye therefore shall see the [b]abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple [/b]of God, shewing himself that he is God.;

Heresy is to teach that a Jew, by virtue of his race (flesh), is still a chosen one of God through the Old Covenant. The same heresy claims that a collection of Jews (even agnostics, atheists, and secularists) who inhabit the political Israeli state is still a chosen people under the Old Covenant, receiving the promises and prophesies of that covenant just because they are born Jews and live in a nation calling itself “Israel.”

Other nations chose God, but isreal is a nation God Chose .It's not heresy , they only have a temporal set back.

[b]Romans 11:25-26
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

God warned us not to booast against them in ther fall.

Romans 11:17-19
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

They are still beloved . God only want to make them jealous for a time because they made him jealous. God made them reject Christ . He used Isaiah to achieve Christ. But his election or choice of isreal as a place to put his name forever is still binding

Romans 11:28-29
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers 'sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

You know a christian by his love for Christ and by his confession of faith . Anyone who believe in Jesus as son of God is born of God.

1 John 5:1
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Goshen360: With reference to this thread: Here of Pastor Chris erecting a massive billboard in divers professions. Can someone please confirm how true that billboard was and the location it was erected? I am saying this because we (Christians) should not be involved in destroying fellow Christians because of hatred. This is technology age and anybody could have done that billboard with computer designs. The word of God says, prove ALL things and hold on to that which is true. I read many Christians on that thread saying all sort of things against pastor Chris with/without the authentication of that billboard.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM WHERE (location) THE BILLBOARD WAS ERECTED PLEASE. Thank you.

They are mischievous people .no such billboard exist. A banner was hung on his birthday 2 years ago by some members . With a caption like." IF PASTOR HAD CHOSEN ANY OF THESE CARREER. WHERE WOULD WE HAVE BEEN" it's something they did in appreciation of his ministry to their lives . Is was a banner hung in the church .

Pastor chris didnt erect any billboard. This is a work of a jobless liar. Where is the biilbord erected?

Kidnappers usually take good care of their victims. Physical bruise is not a yardstick to determin the genuineness of the kidnapping .

frosbel: In Scripture we see a clear order of headship in the family of God: “But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3)

Please note, in this passage the word “man” is referring to husbands, and the word “woman” is referring to wives. The context is addressing the order of headship in a Believing family. The Father is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the husband, and the husband is the head of his wife..

The headship discussed here had to do with the authority in the christian home.

Notice that nowhere in this order of headship is a pastor listed. That’s right. . . contrary to what is taught and practiced in many churches today, pastors aren’t the head of husbands, and they most certainly aren’t the head of another man’s wife. Nor are they the head of Christ’s Bride — not on a global, national, or local level. Christ is the head of His body [the saints] both on earth and in heaven, globally, nationally, and at the local level.

The pastor was not listed because the issue being dealt with was the problem of lack of submission in the christian homes by the wives . Women were throwing away their head covering which they were to wear as sign of marriage ,it also represent the authority of the husband in their lives just like the moder day wedding ring. Paul had to instruct them about the husband authority being represented by the head covering .That doesn't take away the leadership of the church authority. Who's duty is to watch for souls of men and account before God on their behalf

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

belabela: While many do quote those verses you cited to support the prophesies concerning Israel return in 1948, the fact remains those prophesies may not be appropriate because most of the lands have not been reclaimed by Israel. And East Jerusalem will likely go to the Arabs in the near future (the reason Tel-Aviv and not Jerusalem is the capital of Israel). The Zionist movement (not Judaism now) has been doing all it can to restore the whole land of ancient Israel, some parts which is today under the control of some Arab states notably Syria..

The 1948 incidence is a clear fulfillment of prophecy for Gods people isreal.

When israel was declared a nation in 1948. It took the world by surprise . Because the name of Israel had been wiped off the map of the world according to prophecy of the bible.They had changed the name of the land to Palestine .for about 2000 years,Israel had ceased to be a nation
 
Psalms 83:4
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Even theologians had given up on israel , but when it happened ,historians couldnt believe their ears. Israel had been scattered all over the earth. Not only that, they were been slaughtered in many nation. Hitler killed millions of them .The name of their land had been changed to Palestine by the ottoman empire,and they brought Arabs to occupy that land. They had no more homeland .there was no way Israel could exist again. But in 1948 , the prophecy came to pass. It was never done in history that a nation who's name had been wiped off resurrects again.

The bible had predicted that God would scatter them if they remain stubborn . They did and he did. By AD 70 . The Romans invaded and destroyed Israel. After that several nations came and did their own destruction. Until the name was removed from world map. After much suffering by many of them in several nations even though some prospered earlier. They began to return to their homeland who's name had been changed to Palestine land .

How did this happen
After the defeat of Hitler's Third Reich the United Nations in November 1947 passed the "Resolution For the Partition of Palestine," granting a portion to the Jews, a portion to the Arabs, and internationalizing Jerusalem. The Arabs rejected the plan. The Jews did not like the plan but accepted it, believing 'half a loaf to be better than none.

Although they may not know it, the nations jointly, by doing so, have set themselves on a collision course with  the prophecy of the bible in Joel
 
Joel 3:1 
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem 2 I will also gather all nations. . . and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.,

Some of these parted land  were miraculously recovered from  Egypt Jordan Judea and Samaria as well as east Jerusalem containing the Temple Mount.  When the arab gathered to fight the small returnees of Israel so that they could finally eliminate them ,The world was watching but couldnt do anything to save israel. Israel only fought to defend themselves and miraculously they did without help. Not only did they survive, miraculously also they recovered some of the parted land from the Arabs . It was then the world moved in for peace and demanded that israel should returned some of the land conquered . But they are yet to have full claim of Jerusalem now. That is the present conflict they face now.

Isaiah 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

. . . But the nation was born in one day.. . .

If you repent of a sin and ask for forgiveness ,your plate get wiped clean. To answer your part 4 question, A christian will not face The white throne judgement . The judgement of the christian is the Judgement seat of Christ

Jesus identifies with natural Israel still

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

frosbel: Now we agree, Lord Jesus Christ himself will dwell with us in the new Jerusalem not the physical Jerusalem.

It's physical sir. Nations will still exist in the new world . God will make all thing new in world system. New structure ,administration etc. but geographically ,nations will still be where they are presently. The new Jerusalem will still be where the old Jerusalem was.

The gates will have the names of the 12 tribes of the old Israeal and the 12 apostles of the lamb who were also natural Jews.

Jesus still identufiy himself as seed of David . It's an everlasting covenant. They only have a tempirary set back. God and Christ will eventually come to terbarnacle in physical geographical Israel as his headquarter on earth. Nations will be coming to visit Jerusalem .

Revelation 21:2-4
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:


Revelation 21:24-26
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations

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into it.

Goshen360: Well, let's not go too deep into the issue of being persuaded in one's mind. I will rather prefer we leave that statement of Apostle Paul within the context, not when certain teachings are very clear in the word of God.

On your response on who and who the bible was written to, I will also take your response as an answer BUT more specifically, the bible is written to the JEWS, GENTILES and Everyone who believe (where your answer came to be right), and everyone who believes are JEWS AND GENTILES who are both called the CHURCH OR BODY OF CHRIST OR CHRISTIANS. We should be okay with this.

If you are okay with the above, then we can go to Heb. 7. The reason for Heb. 7 is because, many teachings on tithe says tithe existed before the law which is right BUT Heb. 7 deals with the pre-law tithing and the law tithing. Let's just explain verse by verse to show if Heb. 7 supports tithing or actually taught its ending to the audience. Let me know if you want to start verse one first or I should start first. Thank you.

Maybe you should open a fresh thread on this for me and you only. All these Agbero posters will mess up this thread. We don't have to fight with truth. Let truth speak for it self. Whoever gets into personal attacks is not seeking truth. He is rather manipulative trying to force his opinion on others . That's fleshly and evil.It's worldly wisdom . Wisdom from above is peaceful.

James 3:14-17
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Pastor Kun: Delusion at it's best. The truth has set us free from the shackles of tithes imposed on us by rogue preachers like you. It is your members that need to learn the truth.

Very funny, if I'm to start with you. Your blindness is not just about tithing . It will be misplacement of priority. I should start with you about knowing Jesus , understanding his nature of love and knowing the holy spirit . I'm praying for you.

Too long to read. i wish it can be summarised,

They are minority, but they will soon know the truth in jesus name

ijawkid: U still don't get it too....

That covenant God had with d isrealites as a nation is gone ......no longer exists.....

God has no head quaters oooooo here on earth........

Gods kingdom is now situated in heaven...

That's where Yahwehs king designate resides.....HEAVEN......



Now I see why many strive to go to the pilgrimage........

God does not have any head quaters as we speak here on earth(not with any nation)............

youre still missing something, heaven is not our final destination, earth is our final abode. God himself would come to the earth to establish a new jerusalem which would be hos headquaters. try read the book of revelations

you dont get the point, read, my post again, God deals with people individually, God would judge us individually but geographically, God's headquaters on earth is isreal, and it would be for ever. there is a spritual structure and a physical structure of God's kingdom, we should understand the balance. just like in the church today, we all have equal salvation, yet there is administrative structure in the local church.

SNCOQ3: @oiseworld and Goshen360, My fisrt link is regrettably unclear especially towards the end. I am not disputing your position; Salvation is by Jesus Christ ONLY and their is NO favoritism- That is not what i am disputing. Arab christians(Palestinians, Iraqis, Lebanese...) are spiritual jews therefore are God's children- are we clear on that? My point is: God has not abandoned the biological jews. They are still under God's protection and His ultimate plan is to restore them in Christ. I am going to address frosbel's damning accusation against the jews later in the evening.l
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That's right . God cannot abandon his chosen nation. They only experience a temporary set back. Paul warned us not to boast against the natural Israel .because they were temporarily broken off olive branch.

Romans 11:17-18
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. . . . 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Why did he use the term "THEIR OWN". Why are the names on the gates of the new city from Israel ? Etc and etc. they are chosen by Gods election.

There's one Body, Jesus Christ . But Israel was chosen above all nations , its an everlasting covenat. Jesus will rule the world in the millenial reign from jerusalem. it will be Gods geographical headquarters forever.

Goshen360: Thank you and God bless you.


I do not believe this statement is right in the sense that, the bible is our standard. Everyone cannot do as he/she is convinced. Otherwise, we violate our constitution - The BIBLE.

I was speaking inline with biblical principles. Every one should follow his revelation and faith conviction

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Now, the first and ONLY question is, WHO AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN TO? I will prefer you support your answer with one or two bible verse because in the mouth of two or three, the truth shall be established.
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Everyone who believe

Ok sir

frosbel: In the new covenant, there is no favouritism, it is either in unbelief or belief.

Jews in their unbelief are not any more special than any other gentile in unbelief. God makes no rules for one and another for a different set.

This is a diffrent thing now. it is was not the original idea i got from your write up. you were talking about the support for isreal and not about favouritism.

This matter never ceases to baffle me as to why a large proportion of Christians support the physical nation called 'ISRAEL' despite their endless atrocities and unruly behaviour.

@frosbel

The principles of God don't change. Israel in their baclkisdeen state was always still beloved and precious in Gods sight. Even nations who God has used to punished them still get punished for punishing Israel . That tells us the much love God has for that nation. He is not about to change his mind. Gods choice for Israel is everlasting covenant.

Romans 11:28-29
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers 'sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The blindness of Israeal was of God. It was not their fault to reject messiah , it was God that did it to discipline them.