UyaiIncomparabl:
Destiny, show me the way na.

Homeandaway:
I helped a colleague at work. housed and fed her because her residence was far and commuting to and fro work daily was difficult and costly for her. She robbed me blind. My laptop, Iphone and money. Laptop had all my lifeswork, manuscripts, soundtracKs, screenplays, travel documents and saved passwords. She claimed to be ill on a workday, so she stayed home while i went to work. The rest is history.

Never take a work colleague, stranger, acquaintance, church member or even friend to your house. it never ends well.

Keep your relationships at arms length. Trust NOBODY

triple996:
Anything to improve the system is welcome.
BTW when will ESN come back 4rm their holiday. More ibos need to be killed asap

philip0906:

Okada riders fvcking pay tax, Joey. Danfo drivers fvcking pay tax and it's levied daily. Keke napep riders fvcking pay tax daily. Sometimes, what they pay is way more than 20-25% of their income, that you pay. The woman who sells in Aswani market, pays a fraction of her income to the local council. The food vendor who has a small stall by the road side, pays money to the local council. Go and stand by the roadside in whatever area you stay, start selling something and see if in days, you won't have the local council members disturbing you who will come and cut ticket for you.

You're so self cut out that you think because you get a cool FIRS/LIRS fancy receipt, that you're better than the man who gets a NURTW sticker on his danfo to ply the road after they've given up a % of their income, you pay your dues, while they don't. You're so fvcking self absorbed because you think you're better than the guy who is taxed informally.



No! You stop reading those western economic jargons that doesn't apply to your country and read this: https://www.thecable.ng/report-98-of-businesses-in-nigerias-informal-sector-pay-taxes-but-to-non-state-actors

98% of Nigerians in the informal sector, pay tax. Common sense should simply mean that if the tax bodies are serious, they should harmonize these payments into a central pool and find a way of capturing the the informal sector. This could simply be by capturing those daily levies collected by the local council, NURTW etc. This can be where automation comes to play and can also mean some hard decisions like outlawing collections by these local/state/federal actors, so that the informal sector is not double taxed and pay according to what they earn.

You're so self absorbed that you are literally comparing a pseudo-third world country driven by a largely informal sector to the theories applied in first world countries driven majorly by the formal economy.

philip0906:

Are you okay like this? Lmao!!! My post clearly makes reference to Nigerians (both in the informal & formal sector) in the context of taxing proportional to their earnings. You asked a personal question, I answered but you're saying something else. Who ever said TAXES your entire earnings? You well so? Loool




Yes oh! Blame the already hapless citizens who have been stretched to the limits. Blame them until you've drained them the fvck out.



The fact that you are trying to directly draw a correlation with paying taxes and holding leaders accountable, doesn't paint you as being too intelligent. Unemployment rate is at double digits and about to gear up to 40% (official stats. This is way higher) but you want them to pay tax. Lol

philip0906:

I have a side hustle that pays tax, I also pay income tax as a salary earner.

It is tax. Call it whatever, it is tax. Simple definition of tax tells me that those monies, under whatever guise, is tax. Our fore fathers paid taxes on their income/goods/wares sold before the advent of economic textbooks that taught you these theories you want to die on, maybe you'll argue that it was never tax.


Only an ediot expects more than that figure to pay tax, in the poverty capital of the world. There's a reason why we wear that badge. If the government decides to look away from the taxes that their own agency already collects from the akara seller and the tricycle rider, sensible people know that anything on top of that, amounts to double taxation. The onus then is for the government to streamline their tax processes...That's not on us

Good for you. So let's see how your "caring" changes anything.

philip0906:

I get what you're trying to say but it's preposterous. Many of us already pay what you define as considerable amount of income, yet we can't tell what it's used for. Paying or NOT paying taxes is never the way to hold an irresponsible government accountable, that's the point.

Don't die on this hill, my friend. I can assure you that many small scale businesses pay anything from 20-40% of their earnings to government agencies. Step out of your house, enter a keke/bus and ask them how much they pay to NURTW on a daily basis...For many, it's up to 40% of what they earn. So don't go that sneaky route of 200 naira. The question is, 200 naira is % of what? If I earn 2.5 thousand naira daily but end up paying 500 to local council, isn't that up to 20% of my income?

philip0906:

I have zero idea where you saw this. Because this is what I said:
...I live in an almost 3rd world country where I already pay money equivalent to my income to government...

You're indicting the government, simple!!!!! If you claim that representatives of government, collect illegal, pointless etc fees, you're clearly alluding to my point. So you should hold the government accountable and they should be the ones to clean up their mess, not hapless Nigerians.

If an akara woman pays 500 naira to an irresponsible government who can't account for that 500 naira, how do you then convince such woman to pay 24% of her earnings, under the useless guise of legal/personal tax to the same irresponsible goverment?

[BTW, your example of 500 naira levy on 15k daily, is a crafty one. You're trying to portray the akara woman as not paying the equivalent of her income, when you know this is NOT always true.

philip0906:

You're confusing yourself with all the semantics. I live in an almost 3rd world country where I already pay money equivalent to my income to government...Whatever grammar/label economic experts (you included) decide to append to that payment, is their plate of watery beans. This is simply TAX.

Kindly explain how you pay nearly all the money you earn to your government?

I am specifically talking about TAXES here. If you choose to ascribe any money illegally collected from people, both under the direct and indirect supervision of the government, under the guise of pointless fines, levies, or penalty as tax, then that's on you. Taxes are supposed to be set based on various predetermined factors. An akara woman who earns 15k daily and then pays 500 naira as some form of levy, did not pay her income tax

Then the government is a running an organised crime ring to rob its own people. Call it what it is!

lexy2014:


If u aren't going to go into d specifics, how then did u arrive at ur responses? Did u consult d firs and state councils before u arrived at your conclusions about who is paying tax and who isn't?

abbeyfel:
You are still getting it wrong. Paying taxes does not literally mean a better life. What guarantees a good life for the people is good governance! Do we have that in place at the moment? Point is, how is attacking from the bank account angle an even sensible thing to do Is that where their brain lead them. As in go through bank accounts like everyone with bank accounts are taxable. Mumu thing..

lexy2014:


Everyone in Nigeria pays taxes. So your theory that paying taxes is directly related to political participation and holding govt accountable doesn't have any basis

abbeyfel:
You obviously don't understand. Nigerians are one of the people that pay tax the most in the world! Just check how many VAT Nigerians are paying before you say all these you are saying. Most workers in Nigeria pay tax because it is deducted even before they get paid. Any banking transactions now is taxed wether you like it or not. Deposit money, they will tax you. Withdraw money, they will tax you. [b]So what exactly are you saying?[/]

Evercurious:


Oga go check your head

abbeyfel:
You are getting it wrong here. People pay taxes from prosperity. Where is the prosperity to tax from? And how do you mean people will participate more? By taking elective offices or protesting? I guess you are an ideaologist and not a naturalist. Na idea you get, but you can't really make it work if given the opportunity!

Evercurious:


Tell that to yourself... FOOLISHNESS personified .. Do you work at all? I m so sure you didnt consider double taxation as of workers are nt taxed before being paid

philip0906:

This is simply because this GREATER NUMBER are impoverished and unemployed. We're the poverty capital of the world for a reason.


What you're saying is simply semantics because tax is simply fee imposed by government, to fund government spending. Whatever the name is called, it's simply TAX.

That is NOT on the citizens. If I pay levy to local government officials to sell my akara by the road side and that money is used to fund the aesthetic lifestyle of MC Oluomo or ends up in Tinubu's pocket, it's not on me. The government should be the ones talking of revenue assurance by cleaning their processes up or using automation.

Evercurious:


Pls dont be stupid

luizpippo:



You should note that govt in Nigeria does not listen to anything other than violence, so are we going to hold them accountable by violence or by doing anything peacefully?

Anything done peacefully is usually met with violence on the part of the government, this is why Nigerians are mostly docile because no one wants to die.

Imagine asking Buhari to give account of his frittering away of tax payers money on his usual junketing and medical tourism, ask peacefully, then you would wait till eternity, while you would have FreestuffNG, vedaxcool, Jamo, blackfire, Lovenorth and co come here to tell us we have no right to.

Either way, the masses always lose.

lexy2014:


The fact that u said many things doesn't mean that what u said is relevant to d questions u were asked:

Which participation of the populace in govt are u talking about?

What has that got to do with paying tax?

lexy2014:


How much is VAT and how much tax do income earners pay as tax?

Who and who do local govts tax to generate income from local government council tax?

lexy2014:


U haven't answered my questions:

Which participation of the populace in govt are u talking about?

What has that got to do with paying tax?

luizpippo:


Stories

Even if new born and those who died within the last 4 years pay taxes, the governance and the participants would remain the same.

Stop trying to be clever by half.

lexy2014:


How is VAT and local govt council tax different from income tax?

lexy2014:


Which participation of the populace in govt are u talking about? What has that got to do with paying tax?

philip0906:

Which Nigerians don’t pay tax? This is a myth that has been debunked several times. We already pay VAT, companies and businesses already pay tax, salary earners already pay income tax, small businesses even those by the roadside already pay taxes in form of levies to local governments where they are setup.

Easy5265:


That's what I thought too, till APC government came into power. Nigerians are like water, they will always find a way out as against confronting the issues. The average Nigerian especially southerners will say I just have to make more money.

tungamaje:


The problem is that some few individuals would still embezzle whatever people pay as tax through treasury looting and helpless Nigerians won't be able to hold anybody accountable except ranting on Nairaland. Or who can fight corruption successfully here in Nigeria. People have lost faith in our administrators. All you wrote above would have been appropriate if we are living in a sane country

joyandfaith:


You are refering to predatory lending whch is wrong as well

joyandfaith:


Loan sharking is illegal.