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obadiah777: dayumm. you are as stiff necked and rebellious as can be. you are definitely an israelite >>> exodus 32 vs 9 "I have seen these people," the LORD said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. <<< yup you are definitely israel. as stiff necked as can be Kails

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Lol. I have never been banned on nairaland before. Don't think I ever will. Buncha law breakers. I have only had a couple a posts hidden for preaching on prohibited threads.

The worlds definition of smart: exploiting and stealing from each other.
God's definition of smart: loving and seeking the best interests of each other.

[quote author=frank3.16]No, ur xplanation shows how narrow minded u are.
What is the use of warning me not to chose the yellow ball when he knows I will definately end up in hell? Except u are telling he does not know those who will end up in hell. If so, the statement "I knew u before u were born" is useless.
If he knows my choice then I don't have freewill. I must have to do what he knows, if not he was wrong all the while in his knowledge of me.
What is the point in knowing my choice yet give me freewill.
Why give me free will and punish me for the choice I make.
I came to this world because he brought me. I didn't know who created good or evil. But I am given freewill to chose either in other to survive. Yet he knew I will chose evil weather he sends u to talk to me or not.
What with all these drama anywayz. Why does the creator of the world have to act like a lunatic in ur concept of him.
Why should I be punished if my perception of ur perception of him is faulty and I reject it?
Why did he give me the choice to choose if he knows he will punish me for choosing? Wasn't he the one that created me? Did I create myself?[/quote]you are trying to blame God for your bad choices sir.
You cannot blame God for your sin. Sin is sin. Your conscience bears witness.

If he knows your choice, then you don't have freewill? I'm sure you're smarter than this sir. Think again. That he knows you'll choose to continue in sin despite all warning and the fact that he has warned you of the just punishment(damnation) will not stop him from warning you again and again, unless he is not a just God.

Why won't he punish you for choosing to continue in wrong doing? You are a grown man responsible for your actions.

He gave you freewill so that you'll willingly use it to find satisfaction is doing good and keeping his law.

He has already given you the consequence for your wrong doing and the way out. If you choose to reject that, then you deserve his just punishment.

Nolongthing1: Excuse me sir why do you have to label me narrow minded because i'm not thinking along the same lines with you?

just trying to show you how human mind is in comparison with God.

Nolongthing1: You talked about warning blah blah blah and what's not whay does the warning change ? when God already knows Mr A is gonna chose the yellow ball and don't forget The God you also profess also knpws that no amount of warning whatsoever can make Mr A not chose the yellow ball, don't u think if Mr A should chose the other color it'll be a false knowledge of your Hypothetical God and please i don't exchange words online, behave your self.

God will try to influence you to make the right choice because he loves you and because you'll be the one who will say he didn't try to stop you from entering into hell.
You just might change, but the choice is yours. He just knows the end, but he does not manipulate you. As a loving father, he'll advise you to make the right choice.

aManFromMars: Oga Josh, abeg, just save your posts, then copy and paste on future threads. It will save you the hassle of....


Na, go on.

Is mocking all you do?
This is serious stuff. Its about your eternal well being. I hope you don't end up in terrible hell musk, but if you do, remember we warned you of its reality. Remember we told you of the consequence of sin. Remember we prayed for you and spoke boldly and strongly with you.

Choose!
There is a path that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death.


Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live...

@ emusan and frosbel
Jesus claimed to be I AM


Even the jews recognized that and took up stones to throw at him.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:...

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Nolongthing1: Oga what are you saying? why art thou shooting yourself in the leg? you described God as knowing the End From the beginning and Man having freewill?
Take this instance

There's a box full of Red(Heaven) and Yellow(Hell) Balls given all the character of God as u want us believe described in your holy book , A man is asked to pick from the box given all the attributes you claim for God It//He/She already knows mr A will pick a yellow ball(Hell) If Mr A doesn't Pick A Yellow Ball(Hell) doesn't that contradict the Omniscient quality of the bible God?

God as conceived by me I don't think God Anthropomorphic as described by the Christian and Islam Religions ,I Don't think the Real God is anything near what is described in the bible and quran i don't think He/She/It gives two shi*ts(excuse ma french) let alone intervenes or needs any of ya'll prayers.

I hear.
God will intervene and warn you to stop sinning so as not to choose the yellow ball. He still knows your choice.
You are the same person who will blame God as unjust when you choose the yellow ball and tell him he didn't warn you there was something as terrible and dangerous as hell.

You are the one who will blame him for not trying to intervene to warn you if he doesn't. But thank God! God is all knowing and not limited to your narrow and false thinking.
He has sent us to warn you. His finger backs our very words. So you will be without excuse on judgement if you get the yellow ball.

Your example shows just how narrow minded and crude your thinking has become.

frosbel: The fruits of Trinity Christians - what is new !

biased criticism.

[quote author=frank3.16]From the responses I get, it just seems everybody is confused and some are bent on describing God the best way that suits him.
But we fail to realize that we are talking about the supposed creator of the world who has always been existing and will life for eternity.
What is all this talk about trying to explain him and his ways like he is our mate: he know the end from the begining, he will punish us if we fail to worship him(yet u don't see this to mean that he seriously needs the worship), he is kind(what kind person fails to love those who hate and does everything within his power to save them, besides he has the power to save all his loving creatures and make them spend eternity with him).
All I see here is man trying to define the creator of the world to fit his selfish desire.
To me, if God created this world and put us there out of his own free will. Then the only obligation we have as humans is to live this life to the best of our ability and not trying to talk about the creator of this world like he is ahuman being. What ever he has in mind for creating this world is what exactly is happning.
He does not make mistake and he does not regret. What ever u do when u wake up is what he has always planned. He does not intefer like our parents interfer in our life. He is this world and everything that happens is how he has set it to be. No special love for a particular set, no need for worship, not plan for punishment, no regret, no anger, and no human attribute.[/quote]hello Frank.
What took you guys so long to get here?

How many times do we have to tell you that God punishes justly in Hell mans sin and wickedness and not mans refusal to worship before it sinks in sir?
The soul that sinneth. It shall die.

God has already saved. People grasp and see this everyday. Your thoughts and opinions of the creator are myopic and flawed. What more do you want Frank? He has saved. His message of salvation is preached everyday . How long will it take for you to realize that God is powerful and he cares in a personal way?

What you speak is human wisdom.
This is God's wisdom: live life in view of eternity. Be blessed as you get right with God and walk with him. Keep in God as you trust Jesus and stay away from sin.

Man is a free-willed moral agent, and will account for his choice and actions and words and thoughts and life on judgement.

You are the one trying to paint God in your perspective. We know God

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obadiah777: let me get you a description of king solomon >>>

song of solomon 1 vs 6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: <<< one of the elect

solomon was black ?!

obadiah777: lol oh yeah they are negroes. original men. the elect. you do know black men once ruled the world right ? their color is described in the bible. black men

no sir. Never knew. Nawa o.

adaobi123: I'm not a sinner o ! I'm a lover of all cultures

Breaking the law of God makes one a sinner ma'am. The law of God can be summarized in the ten commandments.

adaobi123: *sighs*

I feel your pain ma'am. Infact, sometimes, I feel the worlds pain. Only in a measure shaa. One day, the judge will come. He will punish wrong doing, and good and righteousness will reign. So don't cry ma'am.
Unless you're a sinner. Then you can cry to God and repent.

TheMadame: Sir,
Be not bothered about atheist indoctrination,However the fact that I am a Christian does not mean I can not ask questions in order to attain better understanding .
I still feel man lives a life predetermined by God and has no free will and yet has to account for these predestined actions on a judgment day.
Another fact is man is also expected to resist the temptations of the devil.

man does have freewill. His life is decided by himself ma'am.
God just knows the end from the beginning. He does not make man's choices for him. Yes. We are expected to overcome temptation. Infact, as a christian, sin is no longer a problem. We are able to overcome temptation. We have been freed from the helpless dead-end of sin as christians. We realized the fact that we were guilty sinners, and we trusted In Gods mercy, and were saved from his wrath.

adaobi123: It ain't funny. I hate the word ugly. smh

well, life can be ugly sometimes ma'am. Very ugly.

lanrexlan: I believed in the Law of Moses(pbuh).We muslims call it Taurah.Allah(swt) is perfect,he's a supreme being.There's none comparable to him on earth and in heaven.Allah(swt) says in the glorious Quran in Surah Maryam 19:65 -Lord of the heavens and the earth,and all that is between them, so worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient in His worship.Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (of course none is similar or coequal or comparable to Him,and He has none as partner with Him).[There is nothing like unto Him and He is the all-hearer,the all-Seer].
Surah Ash-Shura 42:11 -The Creator of the heavens and the earth.He has made for you mates from yourselves,and for the cattle (also) mates.By this means He creates you (in the wombs).There is nothing like Him,and He is the all-hearer,the all-Seer.
Surah Al-Mumenoon 23:14 -Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood),then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh,then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,then We clothed the bones with flesh,and then We brought it forth as another creation.So Blessed is Allâh,the best of creators..Paradise is a perfect place,no false talk,all what will be heard is greetings of Peace and many more.It is narrated by Abu Huraira(May Allah be pleased with him):Allah's Apostle(pbuh) said,Allah(swt) said:I have prepared for My pious slaves things which have never been seen by an eye,or heard by an ear,or imagined by a human being[i.e. Paradise][Sahih Al-Bukhari 4/3244 O.P 467.].So,paradise is a perfect place.....Peace

have you ever bropken the torah sir?

adaobi123: All those that are calling her ugly, shame on you You don't hear van vicker complaining.

LoL

obadiah777: you are wrong. the world centers around the elect israelites ( 144,000 righteous men who are waiting to take over as soon as the 7th trumpet sounds ) which is why the world is in chaos now because it is being ruled by reprobate men driven by carnal lusts and desires. demonic heathens control the world now. once the world revolves around the 144,000 elect men of israel again ( daniel 7 vs 18 ) ? peace will forever be restored. this is coming real soon.

hmmm
Are these 144,000 negroes?


I like the way you use smileys to buffer heavy statements

TheMadame: Thank you all for your enlightening contributions. However I am a wee bit confused by the fact that man is a slave condemned to worship God/Allah perpetually in order to die for him to attain perfection(heaven).
Since God is all knowing then every event is predetermined by God. So man does not have free will so how can man be held accountable for his actions that are predetermined by The omnipotent God?

God just knows the end from the beginning. The man has freewill and chooses. God just knows his choice.
Some men have chosen to continue to make wrong choices and do evil and wallow in self righteousness. They might end up in hell, God knows that. But it doesn't stop him from influencing decisions and advicing as much as he can to take the good path. Because he is love. But the choice is mans. And at death. He looks up to see God the judge. He might. Think God is good, which is correct, but the very thing he trusts in; Gods goodness, will damn him to hell. Because God is a good and just and holy judge, and he cannot allow sin to go unpunished.

TheMadame: Thank you all for your enlightening contributions. However I am a wee bit confused by the fact that man is a slave condemned to worship God/Allah perpetually in order to die for him to attain perfection(heaven).
Since God is all knowing then every event is predetermined by God. So man does not have free will so how can man be held accountable for his actions that are predetermined by The omnipotent God?

an atheist might soon come here to indoctrinate you ma'am.

Man does not attain perfection by death.
When we die, we stand before God in judgement. If you have done sin, you stand condemned. And God as a judge judge, will condemn any sinful man to hell. If you have never sinned in your life, you're okay. But as far as I know, all have sinned. That's why we need Jesus. With his sacrifice, we are acquitted before God.

lanrexlan: Yes I do believe in Moses(pbuh).What I meant is that as a human,I am not perfect.The soul inclines to good and bad,so I am trying my best to resist the bad aspects and incline to the good which is obeying the commandments of Allah.Am I clear now?.....Peace

do you believe in the law of moses sir?
Is your idea of heaven a perfect place? Is allah perfect?

lanrexlan: Yeah,I am trying my best to obey my Lord as he stated his Laws and orders in the glorious Quran......Peace

do you believe in moses?
Please what do you mean by "trying my best"? Can you explain?

lanrexlan: I am a slave of the Most Gracious(Allah).He is my Lord and my purpose on earth is to worship Him and obey his orders and if I do so,he would not punish me.....Peace

do you obey his orders?

LibertyRep: It may be that our role on this planet is not
to worship God, but to create him.
Arthur C. Clarke


Men create God in their own image.

so what's your purpose?

princesa: #walks in and sees the room empty, quite and cool, spreads blanket, lies down, puts on my goggle shades and brings out my laptop#


Nairaland things on my mind

why would you use a laptop while wearing goggle shades? And its night, incase you don't know

















good evening

lanrexlan: If your questions are related to the topic,you are welcome.Evening sire.

ok, here's my first question:
what's your relationship with Allah? Since this thread is between mankind and God. What are you to him?

lanrexlan: No,Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Fatir 35:15 O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allâh,But Allâh is rich (Free of all needs),Worthy of all praise.
Surah Ibrahim 14:8 -And Mûsa (Moses) said:If you disbelieve,you and all on earth together,then verily! Allâh is rich (Free of all needs),Owner of all Praise.
Allah is free of all needs,worthy of Praises.
Free will is given to man.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Ash-Shams 91:7-8 -And by Nafs (a soul,etc.),and Him Who perfected him in proportion;Then He showed him what is wrong for him and what is right for him.
Surah Insan 76:3 -Verily,We showed him the way,whether he be grateful or ungrateful.There's free will given to every man but Allah knows in his forebearing Knowledge what will happen.....Peace

I just wanted to ask a few questions, but I don't want to derail this thread. Maybe next time sir. Good evening.

Evening madame()
God is self-sufficient. He just took pleasure in creating man.
Here's the primary reason man was created:
It's in the book of beginnings
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God created man to dominate the earth and maintain order and light in the new realm of earth.
God is interested personally in man. Life is personal, but its also complex. Yet its simple.
You see ma'am
God gave man dominion. And man gave sin and satan dominion. That's why you have sufferings and evil. God created man with free will.
So man is in bondage to sin. But when we accept Jesus, we're free of sin, and truly find our purpose and value in God as we live for him and shine as light in his purpose. This is the simple gospel.

Man is sinful, and condemned, and he needs God's salvation. Its all about Jesus. When we find him and surrender to him, we're free. And we find our lives and purposes, eternal purposes, not temporal things.

If you're not free from sin yet, receive Jesus now ma'am
He's the saviour. It revolves around him

axion: Hahahahah Joshthefirst, I just like the angry little face. As if the anger can boil rice

I love the smiley too.
Heck I love all nl smileys.
Especially this one:

This one should be my second best.