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plaetton:
Lol.


You can say that again.


A good scripture always comes in handy to some funny things in proper perspective.

Don't bring scripture up, simply because you won't understand it and always quote it out of context when it suits you, then when it is carefully explained by its handlers and used not only to prove you wrong but to shut you up completely you reject it's authority.

PastorAIO:
First let me try to explain the word Infinite. In- means the opposite. Finite means having a boundary, a finishing point, an end. It is related also to the word Finish. In-finite means having no finishing point. With infinity no matter how many you count there is always more.
A thought has always got a subject matter. If you're thinking (even you) it is safe to presume that you are thinking about something.
To have infinite thoughts means that there are infinite subjects to think about. It doesn't mean that because it is infinite there is no subject matter.

When you say things like the following you just sound so utterly thick:

Infinite also means impossible to measure or calculate. When I said God's thoughts are infinite, I meant that they are impossible to measure or calculate, because even in eternity, God in His omniscience knew and loved us and felt emotion. Why will you choose to misinterpret my post and try to paint me as thick when you're the one being thick?

If i say 'I'm eating a crane', it will be thick to assume I'm eating the mechanical crane used to lift heavy objects instead of the bird.

This is a misinterpretation on your part, Mr. explaining dictionary.

PastorAIO:
Nope! Emotion is a word in the english language. Language evolved on earth amongst humans for humans to communicate human experience with each other. Emotions refer to specific human experiences which occur within time and are addressed towards objects. I feel the emotion of desire towards a certain other person, I feel happy about a certain other event. That is how the word evolved and how it is used and ever has been used.
You have now feebly attempted to fantasise about some eternal realm where you want to employ these terms to that realm with total disregard of what the word means, total ignorance even of what the words mean and the context in which they have developed and are used.

First, are you sure about the bolded? because I seem to remember you saying this:

Many other organisms are animate and alive and show emotions and awareness and creativity and communication. Many Many many other organisms.

And your logic saying that humans evolved language, and emotion is a human term and should not be used to describe so called fantasical realms is unfortunate. First, you make a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Even then, there are many words, human words, used to describe many things. The words of the bible are human words, and they describe a creator, God, who lives in a real realm, and who is an emotional being.

You can't just wake up one day and classify emotion as a concept that applies only to humans because of what you think and because of human language. lolol. I can't even construct a structured way to show how preposterous that is. What about people who feel Gods love for them?(millions of people btw?) what will you say to them? will you tell them that because humans evolved language and can communicate what they feel as the word 'emotion' then it can only be felt and the word used by humans? smh.

PastorAIO:
De-finition. Remember Finite. De-fine is to mark where something ends, what it's limits are, it's boundaries. To claim to Define the Infinite is oxymoronic. Or you can claim to know the boundaries of the Boundless. or surmount the insurmountable. You can do all these things and feel clever with yourself but just know that you are actually portraying yourself as a dimwit.

Full Definition of define
de·finedde·fin·ing
transitive verb
1
a : to determine or identify the essential qualities or meaning of <whatever defines us as human>
b : to discover and set forth the meaning of (as a word)
c : to create on a computer <define a window> <define a procedure>
2
a : to fix or mark the limits of : demarcate <rigidly defined property lines>
b : to make distinct, clear, or detailed especially in outline <the issues aren't too well defined>
3
: characterize, distinguish <you define yourself by the choices you make — Denison University Bulletin>

Source: Merriam-Webster dictionary.
As you can see from the above define has two meanings. So does the word 'date'. It can mean a date with someone, or the fruit.

If i say: 'She has been grinding and eating all her dates for years', a dimwit would interpret that statement as her grinding and eating all the people she has gone on dates with for years.

But I choose not to accept that you portraying yourself as a dimwit. I choose to believe you deliberately read the wrong meaning in an effort to show ingenuity on my part.

So it is possible for me to define, and by define I mean determine the essential quality of or state the nature of and infinite being.

Thank you. Please be sure to check if a word has more meaning than one next time, or at least go for the very apparent, logical meaning instead of the preposterous one.

stonemasonn:
probably because man came into existence with a larger brain size.

Fedayeen:
This is the nonsense started by that dullard from daura who termed Nigeria criminals.

Buhari i remove your cap and spit on your head

That's a bit extreme don't you think?

PastorAIO:
You and these your flat jokes.

At least I'm better than deepsight.

PastorAIO:
competitive boasting again. This is not about me and you (at least not for me).

competitive boasting? Lol. Should I define competitive and boasting?


And calm down brother. I was only joking. Smh.

CoolUsername:
Fossils are dated using surrounding igneous rocks, if the alleged 'assumption' was a false one, then the readings should be anomalous to each other, but rather all the fossils that lie within a given sedimentary layer happen to fall within a given range. Furthermore, this assumption has no effect on the age equation that is used, still we get similar results with only a small margin of error.

What about the imbalance of the two isotopes in carbon dating? And the flux of the magnetic field?

stonemasonn:
I think its because of his(mans) weak physical attributes. He can't run as fast as most animals its size, can't fly or jump from tree to tree, can't see very long distance or at night, does not have paws or nails or sharp teeth to devour, does not have thick skins or fur to withstand very harsh weather conditions and so on. So his best gift (his brains) develops fast to enable him to adapt and stay on top of the food chain.

preposterous. What about the other billions of organisms man is physically superior to? How come they aren't smarter?

PastorAIO:
Apart from the entertainment value, what is your motivation for all the boasting and slapping yourself on the back and claiming to be cleverer than others. Are you feeling insecure? Is someone making you feel stupid and you feel you have to fight back the feeling?

If you're talking about my first response to plaetton, it was entertainment. Its a regular thing we do.

PS: You and me we go see who like definition and detail pass

PastorAIO:
Of course when I say he is being disingenuous I'm being generous because it is also quite likely that he really doesn't know the meaning of the words that he is using.

He claims to be able to Define a being that at the same time he says is infinite in every attribute.

I'm still mobile, but I just want to remind you that the word 'define' has several definitions.

You call me disingenuous when you forgot to remember that vital fact in an effort to prove me wrong.

And yes, I say it again. It is possible to define an infinite being who is timeless and changeless

sonOfLucifer:
what of my own?

we both failed to make the cut. Live with it.

PastorAIO:
Hey Dundee!! You're obviously beyond your depth. First you have to go and understand the english language and the meanings of the words that you are using.


Perhaps you can tell me. YOU are the one attempting to apply the reasoning of time to eternity and coming out with such utter poo.


First let me try to explain the word Infinite. In- means the opposite. Finite means having a boundary, a finishing point, an end. It is related also to the word Finish. In-finite means having no finishing point. With infinity no matter how many you count there is always more.
A thought has always got a subject matter. If you're thinking (even you) it is safe to presume that you are thinking about something.
To have infinite thoughts means that there are infinite subjects to think about. It doesn't mean that because it is infinite there is no subject matter.

When you say things like the following you just sound so utterly thick:




Nope! Emotion is a word in the english language. Language evolved on earth amongst humans for humans to communicate human experience with each other. Emotions refer to specific human experiences which occur within time and are addressed towards objects. I feel the emotion of desire towards a certain other person, I feel happy about a certain other event. That is how the word evolved and how it is used and ever has been used.
You have now feebly attempted to fantasise about some eternal realm where you want to employ these terms to that realm with total disregard of what the word means, total ignorance even of what the words mean and the context in which they have developed and are used.



De-finition. Remember Finite. De-fine is to mark where something ends, what it's limits are, it's boundaries. To claim to Define the Infinite is oxymoronic. Or you can claim to know the boundaries of the Boundless. or surmount the insurmountable. You can do all these things and feel clever with yourself but just know that you are actually portraying yourself as a dimwit.

I'll reply this nonsense later. I'm mobile right now. Begin to quit yourself.

plaetton:
Hhhmm.

All this back and forth infinity gets me dizzy.

You're beginning to sound like Deepsight.

You just need more work on your word salad repertoire.

Take it small small and read and understand

plaetton:
Exactly.

I ddon't know why an omni omni being or omni omni beings would limit themselves to just 3.

Its one being manifesting in three persons

plaetton:
Lol.

Is that a threat ?

lol. Oga cheerleader, the least you could do is try to cover up and not be so obvious at disappearing when your quarterback suffers an injury and appearing to cheer when he seems to be back up again

PastorAIO:
Does the existence of Intentions exclude the existence of Accidents?

I can study assiduously for an exam, Go and sit the exam, mark A, B, C , or D on each question (it's a multiple choice exam), and score 70 %.

I can also refuse to study, sit the exam, and mark A, B, C, or D randomly, and STILL score 70% or even higher sef.

First scenario I answered each intentionally. Second scenario I answered randomly.


God can intentionally create a universe from Nothing.

But why does that mean that the Universe cannot just emerge from Nothing. After all we believe it's possible, cos we agree that God has managed it.

Is God's intention an essential factor in Creation? Why?

Whether you study or not, your action is needed for a result to take place. God's intervention made creation possible, and his character is shown to be intentional by the quality and direction and purposefulness of creation and life itself.

PastorAIO: Question is: What the heck was he emotional about?
Was he happy that his team won the league? That is his nonexistent team in the nonexistent league.
Was he happy that Asherah invited him to dinner one evening? That is Nonexistent ashram to a nonexistent dinner.
Was he sad that he might miss the dinner because he can't get rid of his incessant flatulence and he doesn't want to go there and embarrass himself?

Emotions are directed at something. If nothing exists but a being then how can that being be emotional.

Unfortunately your question is ill thought out again. How can you apply the reasoning of time to eternity and start yelling about when your understanding fails? Eternity, is not infinite time. In eternity, time itself is absent.

Meaning that in God's eye past, present, and future are irrelevant. He is happening in all.

Existing in eternity, nothing is done to anything to yield definition. There is only Him that exists, with all his attributes and all his thoughts infinite, especially as it pertains to creation.

Let me break it down then since it's difficult for you to grab the concept:

There only needs to be a being, who is infinite. His thoughts, knowledge, infinite. The origin and dissipation of our event, and therefore our space-time, is only a sub-set of his infinite knowledge and presence. Actions, including emotional actions, of past, present, and future are all occupied by his infinite presence, and foreknown by his infinite knowledge.

So when he loves, he knows whom he loves, because he foreknows. But then there's no when in eternity. So he simply loves.

The bible states that he loved us before he created the world.


Do you now see how id.iotic and irrelevant your question is? And do you now see how foolish and zombie-like those cheering you are?

Intelligence is even worse. Intelligence can be seen as the ability to solve a problem. How can you be intelligent when there is nothing to be intelligent about?

So we find a description of God which paints him very much like humans in his attributes, but human attributes make sense for human beings but they do not make sense for an infinite being.

The very idea of defining something that is infinite is so abysmally oxymoronic.

This is quite foolish. You can be intelligent, when there is all events in infinity which you completely occupy to be intelligent about.

Defining God in his infinity is not oxymoronic if he is timeless and changeless.


Once again your bag of air is deflated completely and its content is simply ill/thought out air

Edited.

CoolUsername:
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I dunno what to say to you, but for the sake of others.
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Your version of radiometric dating is circular because it is based on the assumption that the fossils were laid down in a slow and uniform manner over millions of years. How can you make a close-minded assumption and conduct a procedure based on the assumption and make the interpretation based on the assumption that you originally based all the other assumptions on?

Close-mindedness

Do you see the circle? or should i draw it for you?

KingEbukasBlog:
From the arguments the atheists present , its certain that they just want to accommodate their unbelief though most misconceptions they have about God have been dispelled by us .

Yeah. Some angrily cry "sh.it" when the air is cleared out and they realize they have no real stance to cling to in unbelief, while others try to dismantle every bit of what has been said and confuse us with distracting side definitions and details. Some misquote and try to start the argument all over again, and some are simply cheerleaders... and some have run away.

Kay17:
i think the claim God dragged rabbits from an empty hat cannot stand any scrutiny. It is abject rubbish.

I have not made this claim.

Kay17:
God exists as a being, therefore shares a commonality with other beings. Josh and co prove this by articulating God shares emotions, consciousness and intelligence with humans.

Its the other way round madam, with us doing the sharing. But its somewhat true.

I wonder how the fact that God exists as a being changes anything though.

JackBizzle:
Bros, I don't know- that is why I am asking the question.

He may have, I don't know either.

JackBizzle:
They are mostly (at least 50%) contradictory.

-Do you accept Joseph Smith as the last prophet of God?
-Do you wear special holy underwear as the mormons do?
-Do you have another holy book like the book of mormon?
-Does America have a religious significance in your christianity?

Those who differ are those who reject the tenets of scripture. Most agree when they look at scripture honestly.

Lol.

Take it step by step LB.

Answer your first question.

Did God answer your prayer or not?

Who knows if he's trying to get your attention? Who knows if you finally were at a low point and finally asked the big question genuinely? And got a genuine answer?

JackBizzle:
Your protestant form of christianity is different from mormon christianity, is it not?


So why is she wrong in saying that there are contradictory revelations?

cc cloudgoddess

they aren't always contradictory

Weah96:
I don't value a worldview in which a soiled piece of tissue is your supreme ruler and my adversary. My beef is not with sh.it.

Others will have a discussion with you about it. I won't.

unfortunately whether you value it or not this quite unhygienic worldview with the shi.t king exists in your head. It is unhealthy, and seems to be giving you fits of inexplicable rage.

I advise you to cleanse out your head and wake up to reality.

Weah96:
I'm having a painful problem with the infinity infinity which I now transfer to kingebukasblog?? You must be kidding. Who is this god in your head that I always have a problem with?

Do you have problems with dead people? Storybook characters? Your god is like a piece of soiled toilet paper in my head, literally. That's the image of it that I hold in my head. Whenever you detect anger in my tone, it's because you guys are either claiming to talk to the sh.it on the paper or you're smeared in it. But I don't hold a grudge against the sh.itty toilet paper.

you definitely have a very serious problem for you to relegate him to the soiled toilet paper opinion.

You have a serious problem when you imply he doesn't exist and is only in my head then go on to claim he's also in your head albeit in the very dirty section. Unfortunately I and King will continue to talk to him, so you'd better get your head cleaned up and carefully pretend he doesn't exist without giving yourself away so easily next time.

amtaken:
The words inside matter but you should not use the phone you use in watching porn (in case you do) fighting on social networks, making romantic calls, exchanging sinful texts and playing videos as Bible. A man of God said so and I totally agree.

will watching porn and making romantic calls and sinful texts corrupt the words of the bible?

What if the porn watcher or sinful texter eventually reads the bible and the words change his life?

We should try as much as possible to pierce every dark region with the light of Gods word, and not run away from sinful people.

Maximum83:
In the old days, books were very popular with little or no digital format. But Now I discovered that many of those books are now available in E - format. Even in churches today pastors now read Bible from tablets

As I am typing this morning, I just read my daily devotional from my Tecno camon C8 phone.
My question is, are our smart devices replacing printed books

Before we had bound books, there were scrolls. Technology makes things easier.

amtaken:
The Bible is a Holy book.

Its the words inside that matter.

KingEbukaNaija:
Thank you bro !

You're welcome.


Even the bible says God has to humble himself to look upon heaven, and earth. Because he is beyond heaven and earth.

Psalm 113:6 KJV

Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!

Weah96:
You're like the spokesperson for your infinity infinity Jewish god as well as a pro bono mouthpiece on NL.

I would go talk to my god if I were you. Instead of arguing with mortals. Go to your infinity google and talk to it.

It seems you are hurt that it is him that is trying to explain things to you. Who do you want to be God's spokesperson? An angel?


God in his mercy and love, meets us for free everyday in conversations with people, in observations of our world. He tries to get our attention with other human beings primarily.

That you have a problem with King and I talking to you doesn't invalidate our arguments. It only points to a somewhat painful personal problem you have with God himself, as I have said before. I suggest you get things sorted out.

Looks like a lot has gone on.

KingEbukaNaija:
You have a really short memory
I defined every term I used . What do you think the hyphens are for ?
consciousness - basically safe awareness
emotions - responses as a result of being self aware
Turin Test - a kind of test that examines how intelligent machines are to know if they close are to thinking like humans
I used robotics to explain my propositions . I also explained that for humans , consciousness is needed for intelligence and to exhibit emotions . I also explained that robots don't need consciousness to exhibit intelligence that we can ascertain how intelligent they are e.g Turin Test
From the onset I made two bold statements that y'all have failed egregiously to refute
1. Processes can be designed to be random even chaotic as described and still have the efficacy to produce desired results
2. An observer can see processes as Random or chaotic but not necessarily same to the designer .
I also used robotics to explain how processes can be designed to follow laws . I explained what Nothingness means . I explained how nature was presciently designed . I employed exegesis . I explained that order from randomness can be a design concept with an example .
Aren't all these meaningful contributions ? All you do is sit down and ask unnecessary questions and make blatant non sequiturs
You are the one from your shallow questions that know nothing absolutely nothing about what or who is being discussed here .
God is eternal , a container of infinity , his attributes are what make him who he is . And still you asked me if he didn't create consciousness
Can you imagine
Gerarahia mehn

I agree with oga Ebuka in his position and basic definitions.

Attributes are not original entities. They are the character a being exhibits.

And pastoraio, eternal existence is an existence of infinity, beyond place and time. Logical thought will lead you to understand that an infinite presence fills up everything(and I mean everything), there is no room for anything other than itself to exist in eternity(don't take this statement the wrong way and try to exclude eternity from God's existece as i was only trying to explain an issue to you). The fact is that God is eternity, and God is eternal, and creation is only a subset of his fathomless boundlessness and power

PastorAIO:
Is Joshthefirst the same as KingEbukasblog. I wasn't aware. Okay, I'll come back and proceed as if they were the same person and respond to this later this evening.

We are not the same person. I only gave a reply.