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plaetton: This is the problem with debating with you Josh. You makes fantastic leaps from the realms of fantasy and myth into reality and then you question why no else agrees with you.

What , for example, are the facts of extra- sensory sensing that you are referring to?

What the the hell is spiritual perception?
Pls pls, none of that bible school bullshyts here.

I am actually looking forward to an informative and robust discussion, not the wishy washy whoppers you are trying to serve.

you should have simply answered the questions I posed instead of deftly saying all these sir. Do you believe in intuition?
Or are you now saying that intuition does not exist? Is unreal?

rudedough: @Joshthefirst I didn't know you are still here. You went quiet since i posted the full text of Jephthah's Daughter being sacrificed to God.

Do you have another lie you want to tell this congregation about Jephthah's daughter? And please explain to us how Jephthah's daughter sacrificed her virginity.

Thanks

as I said, even if she was sacrificed as a burnt offering, you cannot blame God.

The bible says that in those days people did what was right in their own eyes.


So what else is the matter? Will you keep making excuses to keep wallowing in your atheism?
Keep basing your worldview on misinterpreted scriptures?


As we have said, God is not just love, he is also judge, he is also a consuming fire, and the wages of sin is death.

There's a free-gift of life though, but the wages of sin is DEATH. I feel you should have that in mind. Yes. God kills in judgement. Those who break his law are condemned.

I know one thing: life is more than material prosperity and money. Jesus and paul and others in the new testament treated material prosperity dismissively and treated covetousness disdainfully,

Luke 12:13 13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

I also know God fulfills all our needs when work hard and trust him. Simple.

We should not be greedy and covetous for money. Simple.

ismokeweed: I have done 3. my sperm is like messi and I like nyashing wit raw abunna. wat will I do?

go and kill no more.

Don't be a slave to your lust.
God can help you. He saves you know.

Uyi Iredia: An atheist cannot locate the self any more than he could state the breadth of infinity. The self must simply be allowed for as an by-product of human brains. A fudge factor, and one which is readily affected by modifications to the brain which results in it.

please explain the bolded sir.

Uyi Iredia: @ plaetton: I disagree. Reality exists as itself and doesn't require humans to arbitrate it. Whether or not you arbitrate or whether such arbitrations are right or wrong, reality exists as it always has till certain conditions end it. Human intellect deciphers reality. Saying arbitrate makes it seem like humans choose what and what isn't reality: that can only be true figuratively.

I agree.


Though our views might be subjective, it doesn't change reality's objectivity. We might lie to ourselves, but we cannot change the truth.

plaetton: Actually sir, my question was whether the intellect was the supreme arbiter of reality.
In other words, do we perceive and decipher reality through any other means other than through intellectual constructs?

Not whether reality exists or not.

is reality limited only to the physical and intellectual? Are there other means of perceptions that surpass the intellect? Do you believe in intuition? Do you know of spiritual perception?


Does the fact of extra-physical sensing not imply an extra-physical aspect of our universe?

ismokeweed: Is abortion bad?

yes.

THOU SHALL NOT KILL

Who says we frown on using contraceptives and condoms in nigeria?

And should we encourage abortions and the killing of hundreds of millions of innocent babies or should we discourage it so women will be less prone to do it?

Women should not engage in pre-marital sex, but if they do and get pregnant, they should not even think of an abortion.

Abortion is a woman's right because the child cannot yet speak for itself abi? Do we value human life?

This is terrible, human's have given themselves rights to kill babies in the safest place on earth; the womb. Humans have given themselves rights to do as they like with their passions and desires, from abortion to homosexuality to sex before marriage to walking around completely naked. Me feeling tempted to do something does not justify the act itself.

OlaoChi: Am just speaking rationally, the worlds wealthiest people are irreligious and don't subscribe to 'my God is Jehovah'
While the Jesus people are mostly sitting doing nothing but prayers.

Let me ask you what relationship does bill gates or Carlos slim have with Jesus or Bible God?

Like seriously, isn't it better to sit up and increase your efforts in work instead of harboring hopeless hope

you're repeating the same work hard whatever. Who said we're not working hard because we pray to God or trust him? Which kind of bias is this? We pray to God to bless our efforts with success. The bible itself says if a man does not work he shall not eat.


So a christian must be the worlds richest man to prove God? So God is a God of money and well-being?
Sorry, find some other God you can exploit in that way, you can paint in that image, not the Christian God.

This is what the Christian God says:

Luke 12:13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Life is more than just food and drink and money. A God who is just a God of money cannot save us from evil.

Our hope is in heaven. It is a sure and stedfast hope.


Some people think God is there to just fulfill their needs. And when they get dissappointed, they conclude God does not exist. . Sorry, but God is too big. He is not an energy to be harnessed for ourselves. He is not controlled, he must be in control. Our work is to follow God.

His primary purpose has been to save men from sin so that they will be able to know him. Not to give them money.

rudedough: @JMAN05 I've seen you lording around this thread for a long time now.

Please answer my question. The question will not answer itself or magically disappear.

Was Jephthah's daughter SACRIFICED to God or not? Please clarify

jephthah's daughter sacrificed her virginity. She was a virgin all her life. She wasn't killed.

Judges 11:37  And she said to her father, Let this thing be done for me; let me alone two months, that I may go and wander upon the mountains and bewail my virginity, I and my companions. 38  And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months, and she went with her companions and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39  At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed. She never mated with a man. This became a custom in Israel--



But even if she was sacrificed, blaming God for that will be biased and hypocritical.
The bible says that in those days of judges, there was no king and everyone did what was right in his eyes.

Uyi Iredia: @ OP: Why Ihedinobi com deactivate im account now ? Well the response of Pierre Morgan portrays what many gays tend to do in a debate over their rights. When one uses their logic against them they play deaf or ignore it as Piers' jibe did.

nice to have you back!

Logicboy03:

Read it again, this time slowly.

plaetton: Ahaa! It has been finally confessed.
Religion and religious doctrines are for profit, or, as you put it, expected to yield material profits.
Thanks for your honesty.
It seems that we had Been deceived in Sunday school that religion was about the salvation of our souls.

Pope Leo V said it well when he said " This myth of Christ has served us most PROFITABLY".

you have truly been decieved if you think religion is for the salvation of your souls.

Look at all the religions in the world and tell me if their subscribers have their souls saved.

Christ saves the soul. Not religion.

rationalmind: See? That's the point.

Even if you attack evolution and show its wrong, you attack the big bang and show its wrong, we still remain atheists. Our atheistic worldview does not depend on it.

Now compare this with we successfully proving to you that the bible is false, Jesus maybe never existed, moses, adam, eve etc were all myths who never existed. Do you have any idea what that will do to your worldview?

That's the difference.

You again ask me to show where you said our atheistic worldview depends on evolution and the big-bang. I don't know how else you want me to do that. The reason we attack the bible is because we know your worldview depends on it. When you attack evolution and the big bang in return, it in my opinion is because you also feel our worldview depends on it.

I do not attack evolution because of atheism. I attack evolution because it doesn't make sense, and it is preposterous.

The only time I link you with evolution is when adressing what you believe, or joking.

rationalmind: How predictable!!!

Maybe there's something I'm missing. But why are you always quick to say "this is someone who thinks bonobos are his cousins" whenever an atheist makes any remark about the bible.

If you know atheism has nothing to do with evolution, then why the statement?

Its more like a statement from someone who atheism and evolution are inseperable.

Someone attacks your theist beliefs, you attack evolution in return. What is that supposed to mean?

most of you guys believe in evolution and the big bang, so when you claim I am being unreasonable by believing the bible, I also show you some of the much more "unreasonable" things you believe in.

When anyone attacks my beliefs, don't I have liberty to show him how his own beliefs are prone to attack? even worse attack than mine?

And since you are no longer speaking generally, go ahead and show me where I have implied atheism has evolution as its sole basis or where I have spoken of evolution's ludicrousness to mazaje for example, who does not believe in darwinian evolution.

Happy birthday Uyi!

plaetton: ^^^
Another question which I have always wanted to ask you.

Do you make a living of or earn income from religion or anything affliated with religion?

no I do not.

plaetton: Stop the grandstanding and melodrama and address the core issue here.
Be honest with me Josh, show your true color.
Do you think that religion, especially pentecostal christianity is partially or greatly responsible for the high and increasing levels of corruption and social vices in Nigeria or not.
Simple question..
I expect an honest answer.

no. And anyother person who thinks so is biased and myopic.

Human beings are the problem. They will continue to be corrupt, and they will continue to exploit others through religion and other means.

Go to communist states that enforce atheism and ask them if there is no corruption and murders there.

plaetton: No.
I will not rest until African people reclaim their brains from the rabid infestation of middle eastern stone-age superstitions.
We need to rejoin the rest of humanity and move forward.

If the Europeans have moved away from this toxic crap, what makes you think that you know better?
You primitives.

coming from a man who blames religion for corruption.

plaetton: Silly rabbit.
Josh,
What hardwork are you referring to , and what does god blessing hardwork actually mean?
Do you call the mess in Nigeria hardwork?

The problem with you apologists is that you pretend to be smart , and then when it is time to show it, you then pretend to be dumb.
My point, which you should read again if you are sincere, is that all this national prayer and national fasting foolishness that we repeat every fortnight is OBVIOUSLY NOT the solution to any of our national ills. It has never been, and neither will it ever be.
No nation that is worth living in has been built on prayer fasting.

How mentally r.e.ta.rded do we have to be not to have realised that by now?

Yet these clowns and fraudsters continue to foster these moronic and dark-age rhetorics every fortnight.
You may see it as harmless, but I do not.

Our national IQ suffers a continuous dumbing down with the repetition of these st.u.pid useless lies.
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In the UK where you live( You obviously live there because humans make things work there, right?) , when was the last time there was a call for national prayer and fasting, despite the economic problems in that neck of the woods?

Despite our differences in beliefs, stop pretending , and call a spade a spade. Be sincere.

Christianity has turned Nigeria into a big vegetable farm, and individual Nigerians into prayer-gambling addicts.

just look at the enlarged. Just look. So we should deny our own vulnerability? No. Christianity has taught men that if they do not work, they shall not eat. It is human beings that have damaged this nation. Human beings with corrupt natures.

It is people like you who attack the christian religion as if they have a vendetta against it without giving us any real solution to our problems of corruption that constitute a larger problem for us. Christianity has damaged this nation I hear.

People praying to God to bless their efforts of hardwork with success, admiting that they have no power of their own over adverse circumstances has become treacherous to you.


Nations like america and britain who are giants today made the bible their moral standards

Redlyn: Maybe if it was actually funny..
Anyway I got you. And my statement was also a 'joke'.

Well played.

Ajibam: thank God bro..
happy new year in advance..
you and caleb should be ready to cross us over to our Canaan land(2014)

Yes ooo. Same to you.

rationalmind: Lol, this josh na mumu o . Who said your post implied it? FYI, I made a general statement

nice comeback, claim generality even when it is patently false. Show me where any of the religionists on this forum has shown any form of thinking that implies that the atheistic worldview depends solely on evolution and the big bang.

Redlyn: Is that what you have learnt about the theory of evolution? You clearly know your stuff.

if you are able to look carefully and understand context, you'll realize that my statement which has brought up such controversy was a simple joke.

cold: And what is this reality you love to yap about?
A big daddy in the sky in whom most people believe, but no one has seen. He's a really nice guy unless you fail to submit to his will and/or doubt his existence, because then he will punish you forever. He's also kind of nazi about who you have sex with & when you have it.
Yeah seems legit

reality is a God who does things his own way but chooses to be good, whom people have seen and encountered and in whom people believe. A God who is a judge and judges and condemns everyone guilty of breaking the law(how many times will this be said? Are you hard of hearing?), including those who conveniently deny his existence inspite of glaring evidence, who deny truth because of hypocrisy, who carry out lawlessness foolishly and have "sex anyhow"(you brought this up, not me) without thinking of repercussions, who claim living things come from non-living and make many other pathetic claims to justify their lawless position. Most of whom are surprisingly angry at a God they don't believe exists., etc, etc.

Ajibam: bro. Joshua..
please don't let anybody make you sin... learn to ignore some people sir...

1 Peter3: 9
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult.On the contrary, repay evil with blessing,because to thisyou were called so that you may inherit a blessing.

thank you sir. I needed that.

OlaoChi: So if Goodluck and needs aren't forthcoming upon all the prayers who do u blame? I personally blame the Christian who still hopes in Bible God instead of sitting up and find solutions

if prayers are not answered, then there's a relationship problem between the christian and God.

And what do you mean "sitting up and finding solutions"? Do you think he has been sitting down all that time doing nothing? Why do you think that praying to God to fulfill needs entails being lazy?

You must understand that there are problems that we have no solutions to. That's when we look to God. Stop being biased in your thinking.

cold: Ignorance is not bliss. Please educate yourself

foolishness sir, is also not bliss. Please stop denying reality and being biased and blind.

plaetton: Keep the prayers for ourself. Obviously he has shown that he is grown up and doesn't need hand-holding by invisible fairy.
Only m.orons who are too scared or too daft to face reality, depend on the delusion of an invisible sky fairly to cope with the vissitudes of life.

look at this man's foolishness. Relying on God to bless hardwork is cowardice? What has your atheism done to help nations and men? Nothing. Only speaking nonsense to complicate issues and hiding behind empty words, refusing to proffer any reasonable solution for humanity. Even plunging humanity into deeper pits of shallowness and despair. If this is about facing reality, you should be too ashamed to talk.
Nonsense. Go and keep your fantasies to yourself. We will educate our people on hardwork and trust in God, we will not lie to them about their vulnerability.

BabaGnoni: I don't know where you pull out your "righteousness by faith" or "accepting Jesus as a lamp" strings from.

rationalmind: lol, funny how they fail to realise showing evolution is wrong doesn't make one less of an atheist.

Religionists think the atheistic worldview depends solely on the truth of evolution or the big bang

how did you reach this conclusion? How has my post implied this position? Just when I was thinking you would ponder your posts before pressing submit...

There is no righteousness by works. None at all.

The only righteousness is by faith. Simple.



The goodworks a christian does is not to attain any form of righteousness, but to fulfill Gods purpose in peoples lives, having already been free from sin to serve God with a pure heart.

Anyone who tries to attain righteousness by works thinks God unjust, as he tries to bribe him; the incorruptible Judge.



I hope you're not just a muslim trying to find fault in bibilical doctrine op?