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plaetton: See how you sate this with much absoluteness.

God's perfection is different from human idea of perfection, god's morality is different from human idea of morality, god's time is different from human idea of rime, and on and on.
Bullshyt!

This is exactly my point. You are , like your fellow religious friends, making a great leap, an irrational leap by making an exception for your self-created god.
You are Josh are almost the same in this regard.
You cannot separate what you fantasize about from what is objectively real.

Can you not see your crossing over into magical thinking when you are walled in?

mazaje: Forget deepshight, he know very well what he is doing that is why he refuses to ascribe silly attributes to his god like the christians, who claim their god is all perfect but then creates imprefect beings(angels and humans), god is an intelligent designer but created some of the human parts unintelligently, their god is all knowing but yet he gets angry and display tantrums when human beings do things in certian ways. A god that knows all things can not be suprised but their god is suprised and shows regrets etc . .He know such a god is impossible so he goes about contructing an abstratc god that can not be clearly defined. . . .

plaetton: I am so surprised that a dogmatic position can hold one in so tight a hostage that it completely obscures ones deep reflections and one's deepsight.

How silly is it really to attack an accepted theory from a position of ignorance?

If you want a scientific debate about this, then arm yourself with scientific reasons why you reject the current scientific positions on this.
Stop this silly nonsense of ' of I reject this because I feel this or I feel that way. Insufficient knowledge is grounds to reject an idea.
Most people don't understand the compicated work of trying to explain aspects of evolution. Most people are very scared of even trying, for fear that they might see it's strong merits.
Yet everyone with a god comes i here with barely baked and even blank knowledge to loudly challenge what they don't understand, and may never understand.

Kay 17: Nevertheless sperm cells are human same goes with the ova.

rationalmind: Abeg, don't come in. Just keep watching from the sidelines as intellectuals discuss.

No one is ready to read your nonsense of sin brought it

rationalmind: Firstly, It won't be a poor argument because the device was designed either by humans prone to errors and mistakes or by machines prone to malfunction.

That does not apply to your programmer whom is perfect without defects and can't make mistakes.

Secondly, a defective version of the device is a product of mistake. I hope ure not trying to say your brilliant programmer, capable of designing such a magnificent organ as the brain also makes mistakes.

rationalmind: Yawns

rationalmind: Even foresight is a sense of something not evident.

That makes it extra-sensory in Josh's world.

Logicboy03: See how UKUtsgp and Joshthefirst derailed my beautiful thread. I swear, if Joshthefirst ever talks about derailing or trolling....

rationalmind: I like Josh for one thing, you brag and gloat about ignorance.

There is nothing extra-sensory about intuition. Your definition b even said it is a sense of something not evident. The subconscious is also not evident and we know its controlled by the brain.

You have no point brah

rationalmind: No. It exists because it can be controlled.

texanomaly:

Unhand me you!!














just kidding...












but seriously guy...stop touching me.

Welcome

rationalmind: Same way it gave birth to hunger, love e.t.c which are all abstract concepts controlled by physical regions of the brain which is a by product of evolution.

Intuition maybe is also controlled by some physical aspects of the brain. I'm not into neuroscience but I know someone who is into it will be able to shed more light.

So, stop making unnecessary leaps

Logicboy03: I started the thread
I have the most comments on this thread

Summary- Joshthefirst's question is out of either silliness or dubiousness-

Logicboy03: No....because it is illogical....we deny it because it is illogical



Logical Evidence-
Josh; I have a bat
Logicboy; prove it!
Josh; *produces a bat* here is the bat!



Illogical/spiritual evidence;
Josh; I have a bat
Logicboy; Prove it!
Josh; You cant prove that I dont have a bat!

Deep Sight: These are physical, and hence, scientific testaments: which can also be subjected to scientific verification. Still, end of the day, the kind of evidence of God you seek.

And a pity indeed, that in spite of the abundance in every iota and inch of life and living creatures about you, you will stare it all in the face; you will stare at the grand and stupefying design even of your own ungrateful body: and, thumb in mouth, nappies soaked, still screech: "no evidence! not a shred of evidence!"



O, yes, to the extent that you will want a physical appearance, scientifically recorded and verifiable as real, and not some holographic hoax.

Your mind is just as invisible as God is invisible: you do not doubt the existence of your mind because of its works. The mind of God is manifest also in the works of God.

Logicboy03: No....because it is illogical....we deny it because it is illogical



Logical Evidence-
Josh; I have a bat
Logicboy; prove it!
Josh; *produces a bat* here is the bat!



Illogical/spiritual evidence;
Josh; I have a bat
Logicboy; Prove it!
Josh; You cant prove that I dont have a bat!

rationalmind: What is illogical in using the word "might"?

Evolution is both a physical and natural process.

rationalmind: I don't know the origin of the golden rule. I don't think its even relevant. What is relevant is that I base my morality on it.

rationalmind: Lol, this is a case of you making leaps. If intuition is a fact, what makes you think it doesn't have some evolutionary basis? Don't ask me the basis because I don't know. I'm just saying it might have.

Kay 17: @striklymtl

But you don't think the sperm cells are persons?!

rationalmind: Plaetton knew where you were going. There was no need replying

Reyginus: Lololol. My good lord come save us. And you neglect the spiritual evidence of the theist because it is not scientific.
I doff my HEART.

OlaoChi: Ok life is the Great gift of existence but why do you deprive animals of that Great gift just so you can satisfy your appetit?

while still in the womb it isn't human until it is born and even though we still categorize the unbirthed child as human why should you bring a child in the world to suffer? Another case could be According to your Christian doctrines that child could be born and go to hell something that wouldn't happen if the child never existed
In fact it's much better for human existence to end than end up in eternal suffering

Am just making you understand the many advantages or good sides with abortion especially as it relates with your religion

OlaoChi: Every society has it's own rules if you don't like it you migrate

Logicboy03: Here is the reasoning


Countries that allow abortion usually also have an educated youth on the use of contraceptives and se.x education.They have less children....Japan. UK

Countries that dont allow abortion usually have silly attitudes towards contraceptives and preach unattainable abstinence. The women in these countries get pregnant anyhow and then go to quack/native/black market doctors for abortion.

Zikdik: Atheists and butthurt? Butthurt is something synonymous with christains and christainity. You lot get that loads of times.
P.S: This is very interesting. A christian finally admits that they donot have all the answers.

Logicboy03: Lies

texanomaly: Oh my...

Ranchhoddas: so the only reason you do good is to get God's approval...i see.