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OlaoChi: Ok do u honestly have all those qualities shinning brightly in your life?

texanomaly: Wow Josh...you go Buddy!

Kay 17: ^^ that will only mean God's perception of time is different from ours.

Kay 17: @joshthefirst



Ok, I would let you go on the causality premise. Still it is hypocrisy to believe the Universe requires a cause as a result of its complexity and in the face of a greater complexity (God) blindly deny the necessity of its cause. *EDITED

Kay 17: To my next objection, from what did God create the Universe and everything?

aManFromMars: Hypocrite. When a person does good, he's Christian. When he does wrong, he isn't. What then does he become? An atheist? A Muslim? Unbeliever?

The prodigal son remained the son of his father, despite the mistakes he made. He never lost his 'sonship'. Maybe you should spend a little time studying that parable.

OlaoChi: Ok so those ones with the features I mentioned are not Jehovah's followers even though they claim christianity?

So give the attributes of a Christian who isn't hypocritical and a true Jehovah follower

aManFromMars: Of course. There is no TRUE christian. All Christians are hypocrites.

On one hand, you illustrate the qualities of the ideal Christian. But you're unwilling and unable to point at one because there's none. What's that old saying about God judging the heart while men judge by looks?

Can a Christian sin and falter? Yes, they can. Yes, they will. Yes, they do. Over and over again.

Kay 17: @joshthefirst

BUT this throws away your premise that everything is caused, in the light of what you are saying, not everything is caused ie God and probably artificial intelligence.

Now the suggestion that God caused everything becomes doubtful, as its not everything that is caused.

OlaoChi: So You mean a person needs to show the works of his God in his life? So wat do you say about Christians who embezzled money from the government and spread corruption in the country, is that Jehovah showing himself through his followers

Or Christians who are living in poor conditions with different problems Jehovah has not solved, is that how he shows he is the true image of the creator?

HumbledbYGrace: ....Lawd have mercy.

HumbledbYGrace: all is well sir, how soon are you planning to change your whatsapp profile pic

Kay 17: €

Ok. To be divine is to be beyond morality.

Logicboy03: Why are you such a biased person?

Tomorow, you will come and claim that you are the shining light of christ

OlaoChi: You say God is not a concept, how come the Japanese God is different from the Roman God, how come the Yoruba God is different from the Hindu God

Everyone has his concept of God and None should be scrutinized and labeled false for being different from yours

You believe in the Israel God but to a Japanese your God is false, how can u prove Israel's stories of God is the truth and not another false image?

Kay 17: My question was God is far more complex than a simple gas (oxygen), and yet you expect such a gas to be necessarily created. Same goes for artificial intelligence, you would be unable to accept that such can arise naturally without any designs, yet God being far more complex has no cause?!

If so, the concept of causality is put into question! That causality is not generally applicable!

Kay 17: Having gone through most of the thread, I must ask, are we talking about incest, pedophilia and bestiality or we are supposed to talk on homosexuality?!

Homosexuality is definitely not inces.t nor pedophilia nor bestiality, and the moral objections thereof cannot operate against it.

Joshthefirst mentioned that marriages are for the sole purpose of reproduction. That is absolutely untrue. There is no such criterion imposed on marriages.

texanomaly: Ok LB, lets say you get what you want. Can you honestly say you would not treat us the same way you treated the recent mods? When one of us bans you? Let's face facts here, we all know you WILL be banned at some point. You are logicboy after all.

You belly ache about every ban. No matter the reason. It doesn't make a difference who did it, or even if you deserve it. Maybe you didn't deserve this one. Who knows. I'm still not sure voting on mods will really change anything for you. No vex here. I love ya. I gotta say though, you can be bit mouthy Bud. Just sayin'.

*in my southern drawl*
"Bless your little heart."

OlaoChi: I have read the Bible very well and it's just Jewish men feeling proud that's why they are so racist. They think only them are Gods people when African nations have had their own Gods.

Even in the Bible it states that "Every nation should walk in the name of it's God"

Yahweh is to Israel, Olorun is to Yoruba.
Before Christianity got to West Africa, people have been Worshiping a God so why force them to worship your own God?


We know Olorun is the Supreme God of Yoruba people and Is worshipped through Orisa or Osa just like Christians worship Jehovah through Jesus

But to Christians and Muslims you try to force your concept of God on people
How can you say you worship Olorun when you don't recognize His Orisha children?
That's like saying you worship Jehovah but call Jesus(his son) a worthless demon

aManFromMars: Interestingly, at least 3/4 of your interactions on this forum has been with atheists or about atheism. Your recycling plant is doing quite well.

Kay 17: You mean to say God was always intelligent, always conscious, and super! Yet a gas that lacks all that complexity, basic and simple must caused?!

Why can't something simpler be the final cause? How do we conceptualise life (that of God) to be without cause?

thehomer: What is the "natural order"? Is it in the "natural order" for humans to live in space? Or underwater?

plaetton: Yeah. God self-existent and eternal only because he lives deep inside your convoluted brain.

emyguz: Have you ever read about the history of Christmas? I guess not. mean while where was it written in the bible that Jesus as born on 25th December?

wiegraf: What are you going to use to defeat evil me, your hate, foo.lishness or bigotry?

okeyxyz: I know people who start-off an argument like this. They don't believe in the strength of their argument and know that it is likely to be disarmed, so they sound-off first to get under the skin of the opponent, thereby distracting from the main issue which they(the proponents) are unable to make a credible case. So, nice try, but fail!!!



Oh what a shallow logic. Just answer these simple questions:

Do we seek consent before we slaughter animals and use them for food??
Do we seek consent before we imprison and domesticate animals and make it our slave? depriving them of dignity to exist as nature has endowed them to exist??
Do we seek consent before we castrate pets, depriving them of rights to love and procreate just as we humans confer the same rights to ourselves??
Do we seek consent before we destroy forests which are the natural and most conducive habitats for these animals??
etc etc

But now we want to have s.ex with them and you come screaming "consent!! consent!!!" Somebody please define hypocricy for me again

Obviously you don't know anything about bestiality. Go to any porn site and look through the bestiality sections, it would look pretty obvious that the dogs and horses are enjoying themselves.




Another silly argument. You are outlawing a practice because of the risks you perceive in such practice, No?? Do we now ban driving because people die everyday from motor accidents? Do we ban anal sex because you are more likely to contact STDs through it than through vaginal sex? Do we ban guns because criminals use it as a tool for crime? Do we ban sexy dressing by women because they provoke rape?? I could go on and on to expose the utter illogicality of this line of thinking, but I believe the message is clear enough for anybody who calls himself a "wise man".

Emusan: What a million question....
Atheist have been helping Jesus to separate the tears from the wheat (those who didn't know their stand in Christianity) and helping those who are weak to be strong.

Ajibam: he is afraid to reply..
lemme help him.

same to you bro.

wiegraf: What an honest op honestly conflating homosex to incest in such a non dubious manner

To add to what has already been said rather well, assuming prohibiting incestuous relationships is unjust, well, obviously two wrongs don't make a right. I enslave mr x therefore it's fine to enslave mr y. Really? (I'm not even sure incest is illegal in most of the world, but meh. The stigma seems to be enough to discourage it. Unlike homosex which has been equally, or even more so, vilified. What does that tell you about homosex?);



And note, I have no issues with incest, polygamy etc. But of course most, atheists well included, disagree with me. And they at times have justified concerns. That's another issue though

texanomaly: Music is my life babe. Did you really think I wouldn't get it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=62XB9IbMnxQ

Kay 17: Ok, then what made God conscious and intelligent? Because conscious and intelligent beings don't drop from the sky.