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Oduduwaboy: this is revelational ! This mind deserves the nobel prize for this sublime thinking !!

ooman: because he said that, does that make it impossible to understand the origin of universe? you'r greatly deluded. The source will be found, [size=15pt]and you will here of it, this is the power of human intelligence.[/size]

Kay 17: ^ ^

Where does the Universe get its physical nature from since God is transcendent?! Please explain.

Logicboy03: You nEed to put on ur glasses.


"On" and "for"

Logicboy03: *pours liqour for fallen soldier*


Goodbye ihedinobi....took me 2 years to spell your shinobi rhyming name properly

vickyO: The above shows that you've got little or no knowledge of what Christianity is about.

Kay 17: @joshthefirst

1. Ok

2. Why is God using energy when he is transcedent and selfexistent?!n

aManFromMars: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!










U don chop am finish? Remain small for me biko

Kay 17: 1. joshthefirst, you made a very poor premise and that the truth. It does not mean I don't believe the universe is without cause. Yet you premise was too poor.

Kay 17: 2. I really want us to address the issue of the material used to create the Universe. God used a part of himself, right?

Kay 17: 3. Modern physicists are championing the multiverse theory. Don't you think its too dangerous to place God as a cause for the universe rather than multiverse

sushieater: Cool. I guess you're living up to your username.

Peace.

Kay 17: *lmao*

1. You can not make a general declaration that all things have an origin, a natural question to that is why. Your premise is arbitrary.

Kay 17: 2. So are you admitting God used a part of himself as both energy and material for the universe?

* how do you know God is directly behind the big bang?

Kay 17: 1. To claim there must be a particular origin for all things is begging the question and an arbitrary premise.

2. I assume you mean to say, God used a part of himself to create the universe?

aManFromMars: Merry xmas from Mars, tha planet to be.


Searching for my goat. If anyone sees, pls PM. Thanks.
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Logicboy03: Let me help Deepsight and maclatunji to underatand the failure of their first cause argument.

1) Human beings had a cause
2) The earth was caused
3) The universe was caused
4) Everything has a cause

5) The first cause aka God has no cause.


Failures
1) Number 5 is a direct contradiction of number 4. Everything has a cause but we then bend logic and create special rules for God not to have a cause.


2) "cause" is a loaded term. In science, that word is only used when an established relationship between two entities has been ascertained and the question of 'how' is answered. For instance we know that natural glass is caused by lightening. How- when it strikes the sand the shape and texture of the sand changes.
Now, if I ask deepsight or mac about how God caused the universe, would I get an answer?


3) "God" is a meaningless term. The best definition of "God" is-

"A word used when man can't explain his environment and he is too proud to admit it"

Example

-how was the universe formed? I can't tell you but god did it

-what is man's origin? It is not evolution and I can't tell you the details but god did it



It is funny how these theists do no know what God looks like or sounds like or whewre he lives or how he operates but they know that he created the universe.

Could we know that charles darwin founded the theory of evolution without kbowing aything tangible about him? If people didn't see him or his works in his own writing, would we believe that he existed and did such works?

Kay 17: @joshthefirst

1. The repetitive problem with your first starter argument is still that you have the unresolved issue of the design/complexity of this God you propagate. You tried solving the design/complexity of the universe by necessitating the starter, so also the starter's lack of cause dislocates your earlier argument that a starter is NECESSaRY. Being self existent does not solve the problem given the absurdity of infinity.

Kay 17: 2. You are confronted with the problem of God creating the Universe out of nothingness. That is a contradiction and therefore patently false.

Sorry for my lateness.

Kay 17: ^^
What will be the relevance of Faith if human knowledge suffices?

Kay 17: Is there actually a self?! I very much doubt it.

The idea that the human body is inhabited by some semblance of a spirit is deceptive. To believe a person is an open book with a clear mind with its clear deliberations, intention and direct motives, is a poor understanding of human nature.

Rather man is a collective with distinct layers of personalities, coloured perceptions, a bubbling subconscious lying beneath the surface, and deep unconscious drives and motives. There was really no self, no single unitary mental state.

The senses can not be treated individually, they will collapse. Neither can man's interpretative/perceptory faculties be isolated from the senses. Nor biochemical processes with man's mental state.

rationalmind: Hehehehe, deepsight dealt with me? I never knew you were good at cracking jokes.

What I and deepsight agreed to is, even if we agree there is a cause, we don't know anything about that cause. That is one salient point you aren't considering.

And I told you all the author did is appeal to ignorance.

Ever heard of the string theory? The string theory postulates that, our universe was formed by the collision of two other parallel universes. I agree it has some fundamental flaws and is yet to be proven. If its however successfully proven, that is something I and deepsight are both ready to consider as cause.

Question is, do you consider that a cause? Lol, NO. Yahweh is your cause.

rationalmind: Problems arises when you start saying that thing is yahweh, who inspired the bible and will roast people in hell.

We contend that, even if there's a cause, we presently know nothing about it.

Lol, its funny how you use a deists explanation to support yourself.

As far as deepsight is concerned, GOD IS DEAD.

macof: @Josh explain few things to me as you answer this question
1. is ur god a skydaddy living in the clouds or space
2. Or Is ur god an unseeable entity without organic features whatsoever

rationalmind: What is this one saying? Lol, if you look carefully, what made you rush to post it here is called confirmation bias. If only you had read it properly, you would had seen the authors notion of cause clearly debunks your notion.

That is when we ignore his appeal to ignorance

Edit. Lol, in case you still don't understand, the author is saying, the big bang brought yahweh

Deep Sight: Not at all: the expansion shows that it had a beginning and commenced from a point.



Ok. But I am not defending religionists, only addressing the question of cause as I see logical.

Merry christmas!

aManFromMars: Tither: I pay tithe because the HOLY SPIRIT taught me so.
Non-Tither: I don't pay tithe because the HOLY SPITIT released me from that bondage.

Kumuyi: Christmas is idolatry.
Catholics: We will celebrate Christmas.

Let's ignore the whole trinity or no trinity babel and all other such nonsense. The only true Church and Christians exist in your head as a noble idea. Maybe you need to come out of the 'reality' in your head rather than hiding behind the walls of faith to protect you from the harshness of Reality,

rationalmind: What a pity. Ignoring the fact that what the author did is to appeal to ignorance, its seems you skipped this part.


You couldn't see that the bolded debunks your idea of an eternal uncreated being.

Let's even agree there is a cause. What do we know about that cause, NOTHING.

aManFromMars: Genuine, fake, lol.

But those who you call fake think themselves genuine because THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
And you think them fake because THE BIBLE SAYS SO.

Maybe, just maybe,THE BIBLE doesn't speak for itself. MAN only aligns himself to that which gives him satisfaction and peace.

aManFromMars: Consumerism is a biattch!!! I applaud his thoughtfulness.