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Kay 17: Deepsight, you are jumping the gun here.

Those explanations and theoretical models are scientifically valid, and bear consistency with the overall theory of evolution and diversity of life. The evolution of sexes must have been an advantage, and to ward against deletrious mutations.

Same as the flexibility and frequency of sex change amongst some species. Some species go as far parthenogenesis. The aim is the same, furtherance of life.

there is an aim to evolution then? There is a drive? What is this aim? Who is behind it? How is it achieved even in the most basic components of life forms?

I hope you know this aim contradicts your "everything is by chance" thinking?

libero00: Interesting, the last part I mean, the other parts were pointless and too much for this fool to understand. What makes us shameless? I would like to know oh wonderful child of the invisible bully in the sky.

May the spirit of the flying spaghetti monster have mercy on you.

as usual. When asked to show proof of our lies they begin to talk nonsense. Show the lies and stop trying to change topic.

Kay 17: ^^
Transcendence.

Final cause. Spaceless, timeless, source. We can only conclude that he is not bound by physical laws

libero00: It sure does. What better way to prove that we are fools than misquoting,lying against us just to fit their deluded and hopeless reality?

shut up and show the lies or you prove publicly that you are simply a noise-making empty vessel that delights in myopic thinking and dogmatic faith in speculations.


Shameless accusers.

mazaje: Wrong, not all people are born with that,

of course, I have noted that there are unnatural exceptions which can be corrected through surgery and such, I'm sure you get what I'm speaking of.

mazaje: others are born with the affinity for people of the same sex,

nope. How does this mirror physiologically?

mazaje: even some animals display homosexual tendencies. . . .

unnatural, as I said.

mazaje: The scientific position is that you can not chose your sexuality. . .

nope. Our very visible and observable and testable physiology shows natural use, and distinguishes unnatural use.
Science is observable, testable, knowledge of facts.

Logicboy03: Does telling lies about atheist make. You guys comfortable?

name the lie men. Or are you afraid ?

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ noted.

Still doesn't however show it couldn't had been written by stone age men. It only demonstrates that, stone age men can atimes show rare intelligence and profound wisdom far beyond their contemporaries. Such was the case of Job.

you're not as smart as the "stone-age men" actually. Infact, you might be a fool in comparison. Man has just learned to build on his knowledge and come together to improve his environment.
Only a foolish person would fail to recognize this. The model dimensions of noah's ark written by "stone-age men" is extremely sea-worthy and without fault. Stone-age men indeed. Sometimes I marvel at your naivete.

The scale of the ark is huge yet remarkably realistic when compared to the largest wooden ships in history. The proportions are even more amazing—they are just like a modern cargo ship. In fact, a 1993 Korean study was unable to find fault with the specifications.
All this makes nonsense of the claim that Genesis was written only a few centuries before Christ, as a mere retelling of earlier Babylonian flood legends such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Epic of Gilgamesh story describes a cube-shaped ark, which would have given a dangerously rough ride. This is neither accurate nor scientific. Noah’s ark is the original, while the Gilgamesh Epic is a later distortion.
...

Noah’s ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared 12 hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (seakeeping), and strength. In fact, the ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.

Figure 4. The proportions of the ark were found to carefully balance the conflicting demands of stability, comfort, and strength.
The study also confirmed that the ark could handle waves as high as 100 feet (30 m).

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab3/what-did-noahs-ark-look-like


Cave men indeed. I wonder how you'll blindly twist and shamelessly deny this one now, and many more. When would you learn to abandon the foolishness and myopic thinking that comes with blindly denying truth and the special nature of the bible and look at things objectively instead of holding on to the myopic vision and thinking of your acclaimed ancestors?


The bible was written by stone age men I hear.

Incase you don't know, much knowledge has been lost. Our supposed dumb ancients could mould brass and fashion iron and other such things. The romans were the first to use reinforced concrete. Look at a mountain adorned with a garden and water pumped from the ocean to water it(the hanging towers). Why would you continue in this kind of foolish thinking?

The only reason there is technological and scientific advancement in the world today is because of exchange and build-up of knowledge and research.

Stop holding on to false and empty claims. You are not decieving anyone, only publicly embarrasing yourself.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]GBAM!

You are truly enlgihtened Brother Fula. The most enlightened Fulani in all Africa.

The bolded applies especially if the molestor is from another ethnic group.

Half-breeds are against Tribal custom. Infact, molestation was a tool used by colonists in the South Americas to destroy the Native Tribes and thereby their beliefs and cultures.

Today most brazilians, carribeans, etc., are of mixed r.ape descent.[/quote]wow. Thank God their ancestors valued human life. Otherwise they'd all be dead. I'd be dead too you know. I have inter-ethnic parents. Igbo-Yoruba.

Fulaman198: The reason why men may say it is wrong is because they don't have to deal with the same hardships women deal with. I think most monotheistic people may think it is wrong, personally for me, I have a different opinion.
If a woman is wrongfully violated, then she has every right to do she wants with her own body. It wasn't her choice that a deviant violated her.

its nice to know you'll encourage the killing a child for the crimes of its father. And for the selfish interests of its mother, because it has no voice within the safe haven of the womb.

^^^
Nonsense. Just because people are not saying anything does not mean we're defeated. Rather, we're allowing you to glory in your ignorance.

And you totally ignored my post and the link seeing you could not refute it.

Welldone, and carry on!
More grease to your elbow!

Logicboy03: Say whatever you want. Your dishonesty and ignorance has been exposed forever on this thread.


Anytime, you claim to be christlike or say anything about knowledge...I have a link to this thread.


Accepting speciation but not evolution. Gaddem dishonest human being

lol. You're yet to show me how I'm dishonest. If you think you can pin someone as dishonest by screaming and being loud in accusation you are wasting your time. Feel free to continue though.

aManFromMars: And the brilliant alternative is we were moulded from sand? And the woman was made from man's ribs.

Awesome. I forgot, the Bible isn't a scientific book.

when you die? What does your corpse become eventually? Does it not become the dust of the earth? Does all terrestrial life not become the dust of the earth? Do they not decompose? Do you know all the elements used in your physiological make-up are located on the earth? Some in more abundance than others?

Logicboy03: You said that you accept evidence for speciation but not evolution





This is the most foolish thing that I have ever heard in my life


Congrats

look who's calling me foolish. The guy who claims a bonobo as a distant relative and an ape like ancestor.

Nawa o. You want make we beg before you carry this extremely educative thread reach frontpage? Nawa o.


Front page abeg.

https://www.nairaland.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction

Logicboy03: LYING FOR JESUS!!!

So Joshthefirst doesnt realise that speciation is evolution? How did humans and monkeys split from the same ancestors if not speciation?


This guy is a dishonest kpeff

I have showed my position on other threads. There is no evidence that we share ancestral origin with monkeys. No scientific evidence, just speculation. Guessing. It is foolish to say we share common ancestors with an ape.




And I hope this is not the only thing you got from my post.

Wetin dey happen for here mars man?

wiegraf: And as for evolutiondidit, Lol, no. That's really silly. Evidence for the theory is gargantuan, across many fields its been tested and its predictions confirmed, etc.

this is where you're wrong of course, unless I misunderstand you. The only evidence we have are for adaptation and speciation. That's the only testable and predictable evidence we have. The rest are just mere speculations that takes too many lifetimes to test or confirm. Supposedly.

wiegraf: Yet they should fold their arms and just Godidit when they approach a snag. Err, which skydaddy and exactly how did it come about? It didn't evolve? It just is? And is hiding somewhere? Really

this is the kind of thinking that worries me. So realizing that some things have purpose and discarding of the mentality of non-directed randomness will rob us of all intellect and science? Really? It is your faulty thinking borne of insecurity that has caused you to make this foolish assumption. So we can not still study and try to understand the nature of our universe without appreciating its design? We cannot still make a subject then of intelligent design in the children's philosophy classes? You think acknowledging of a purpose to this universe will yield us ignorant? You are ill-informed. Acknowledging of a purpose to this universe will fuel our intellectual prowess and our appreciation of nature and our curiosity.

I am a christian, so I will give an example from the bible: in the book of beginnings, the creator did not gift man with total knowledge of the universe after his creation. He set man free to dominate, he gave man a purpose. Even in this corrupt world, man's purpose still fuels his curiosity and his will to dominate. His thinking. Don't be stu.pid just because of your lack of enthusiasm for an intelligent designer.

wiegraf: Going with the evidence. A plethora of that for evolution. It exists, it is real. Skydaddy? No. Not so much

yes actually, the purpose is enough to imply him. You just choose to ignore. Change and diversity of organisms is real. Change of kind is a stjupid speculation. I still stand by that.


But I will tell you one thing. As a Christian, I do not only have spiritual hope, I have intellectual hope as well. Because we believe that in the world to come, we will be free to dominate and understand and satisfy our endless God-given curiosity without having to deal much with the pain of death and corruption and anger and hatred of human beings. Our corrupt nature will be dealt with. It will be endless life filled with the love of this creator and dominating of the new local earth he has given us.

The K-T event is just a theory among others of how dinosaurs went extinct. It is not a fact. Just wanted to point that out.

Rationalmind should learn to be truly rational and think outside the box, irrespective of his feelings. He should break free from his indoctrination. If he really wants to be very honest in his observance of the world, as a scientist should be.

OLAADEGBU: Isaiah 40:12 (written 2,800 years ago): "Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand."

We are told that God has measured the waters and set a proper amount of water on the earth. Modern science has proved that the quantity of water on earth is just enough for our needs. If the sea became three metres deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer.

From, The Evidence Bible


Scientific facts in the Bible:

Hebrews 1:10, 11 (written 2000 years ago): "...And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands: They shall perish; but you remain; [size=14pt]and they all shall WAX OLD as does a garment.[/size]"

The Bible tells us that the earth is wearing out. This is what the Second Law of Thermodynamics states. This wasn't discovered by science until comparatively recently.

From, The Evidence Bible

Etc. From here: https://www.nairaland.com/1550633/scientific-evidences-bible


Why will God seek to tell us about cold lifeless space and not the beauties and specific purpose of the happenings that brought about habitable life on earth and its lights

How will a worm hole appeal to an ancient?

We have more understanding of the bible these days because of scientific knowledge. We see treasures of science and philosophy in the bible as well. Basic treasures that will apply to everyone universally.

mazaje: It is a lie, show us the scientific study thats says all people are born heterosexuals. . . .

why would a scientific study need to be conducted to see if people are born heterosexual? Our very physiology is enough to tell us that people are born with an affinity for the opposite sex and every other position is unnatural. This is the kind of foolish question that one would ask when trying to make room for an abnormality instead of trying to correct it.

aManFromMars: As long as the science doesn't contradict the Bible or can't be streamlined, sewn, stitched such that it will fit into what the Bible says. If science says people are born gay, wgaf what science says. The Bible overrules that.

well science doesn't say people are born gay, it states the opposite. I accept science and the bible. Just that the bible deals with things science cannot deal with.

Both.

plaetton: Reproductive efficiency is the evolutionary impetus for the division of the sexes.

Contradiction galore!

These guys will not kill me with laughter and their ad hominems

Uyi Iredia: Aptly summarizes your response.



Reveals your bias; only a deluded person won't see it. Deep Sight's questions were germane, and problems like those Darwin considered could be used to object his theory_ problems still unsolved today. That is far from ignorant.




And he starts with its flaws. Abiogenesis and vast swaths of aspects of evolution such as that of the brain, sexual reproduction even phylogeny remain unsolved. To pretend otherwise is pathetic and shows lack of objectivity. In the case of atheists LIKE YOU who scorn religious delusions, I say it's crass stüpidity for the hypocrisy involved.

don't mind them. Jokers. They only gave the evolutionofthegaps reply to the questions, the only one who even attempted to give a reply and an explanation insulted his position and his reputation on this forum.

Logicboy03: Dodged ke?

Wait, are you actually saying that I didnt address his op head on on this thread? When did you start telling such blatant lies? I wrote an epistle on the op.

shift abeg. All of you here have proven that you are jokers. I don't need to argue or talk anymore. You've also proven that something is chronically wrong with your thinking. The same syndrome of blindness affecting all. Hypocrisy and dogma are your problem.

Claiming to be skeptical adherents of science but swallowing foolishly all you hear from men without stopping to think and question. Creating your own authority with speculation of men as its basis.

Evolution of the gaps: we don't know the answer, but evolution is true and perfect, and the answer must be connected to evolution.
Evolutiondidit

How can one speak reasonably with a person like this who does the very thing he accuses others of?

I wonder why DS didn't just ignore your ramblings.

Kay 17: ^^
I think you want to eat your cake and have it.

Address specifically what I have raised. I don't think opposites begat one another.

ma'am, your arguments are borne of poor understanding of what "spiritual" means.

The spiritual is not an antithesis of the physical. Infact, the physical is another manifestation of the spiritual.

Mr Troll:

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sorry, I don't care much about debunking, especially for opinion, my main aim is preaching, and you people are even distracting me from it. I believe you already know my disagreements with the theory as a whole. The threads I have opened are enough. Plaettons ramblings today are enough to blind a normal person to any other person's explainings of that theory for a thousand lifetimes.

At least some people are thinking rationally.

Kay 17: And where does the Good Samaritian go to upon his death?

okay. I take this to be an honest question.

In death, everyone will stand in judgement before the judge, who will judge his thoughts and intents and actions on earth. If he is guilty of breaking the law, of wrong-doing, I believe he will be condemned and cast to hell. His bad has condemned him. Goodness is moral excellence. So the "good" samaritan might even know he's guilty before this just judge even before he's dead.



But I believe I've heard the good news of the substitute, who has borne this man's punishment of wrong-doing, and is ready to redeem him anytime the man accepts this great salvation. If this man trusts in this substitute, he will be declared not-guilty by the judge, and even saved from his cycle of dead-end imperfections. Able to be truly free to do standing good, and fulfill his purpose on earth.

So this substitute; Jesus Christ, is the "good samaritan"s salvation if he trusts in him.

This is the basic message of Christianity. The good news.

Kay 17: It is not flawed and you didn't address the main issue.

Funny to find God is a mental being too!

look ma'am, we're talking of the creator here. We're speaking generally. I don't know what image you have of God that may have been tarnished by your false notions of the christian god or any other god, but we're talking of the Cause, and his attributes that can be implied from logical reasoning and observing of our visible universe.

rationalmind: Lol, if that makes you sleep well at night.

keep learning how to ignore and deny what you cannot refute like plaetton your oga.