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Nawa o. As far as he provides adequately for his family...

plaetton: So why are Chrsitian preachers collecting tithe?

some are greedy theives who think the church is some kind of business. Others genuinely collect tithes to fund church activities.

In the church I attend in plateau state, ecwa, the tithes and collections of the previous week are announced publicly to the church every sunday.

Why would you take the thieving hypocrisy of others and deny the genuine? Why would you condemn the original with the fake?

thehomer: So it would be a person in what sense?

God-sense.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.

thehomer: How do you know there is no life on the billions of other planets in the galaxy?

i do not know, I was referring to our immediate galactic environment, to a rock like mars.

thehomer: The fact that we can't do it yet doesn't mean it had to be done by your God. We can't create galaxies yet does that then mean your God did it?

we're speaking opf consciousness and life. Can we "synthesize" consciousness? Can we create life from "nothing"?

thehomer: You may want to take a look at the Big Bang theory for up to date information.

please show your up-to-date information here.

thehomer: No, I mean it isn't satisfactory given what we know about people, the universe and other things. If you explain lightning as Zeus throwing thunderbolts while accepting that you're merely asserting that there's a Zeus out there and he happens to throw thunderbolts, then you can see why such an explanation isn't satisfactory given what we currently know.

how does:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...
And God said, Let there be...

Prove unsatisfactory?
Is this not the basis we're speaking with?
That the creator was before the beginning, that he spoke in the beginning?

Since it is so obvious to you, why don't you show me what you've seen that helped you arrive at this conclusion?

the direction we see in life. The depth of consciousness we see in man, etc.

plaetton: Spoken like a true dummy.

Can a sperm that gradually develops into a fully conscious human be said to be conscious?
It only contains protein DNA, which in the final analysis are just unique arrangement of chemicals.

The earth, which you religio-heads see as a non-conscious pile of rock, gives birth to countless conscious living things.
How do you explain that?

Sir, you're destroying your own argument by asking me this question.

And is it the earth that gives birth to life? Using your own premise, why is there no life on rocks similar to our own?

Is it the zygote that "synthesizes" human consciousness? And does the sperm cell not even show its own "life processes" to a certain degree? What is the source of consciousness and life? Non-conscious piles of rock? No.

The answer to your bolded question is the source of life: God(why do you have a problem with this? Can you create consciousness and life? Even in its littlest form? even non-conscious things we cannot make. The scientific community has never been able to make a single grain of sand. The only thing we have forcibly synthesized from enormous energy is subatomic matter and antimatter particles.)


Even if the earth were the source of life and consciousness, what then is the source of non-conscious piles of rock? Energy? Where did the energy come from?

thehomer: Why shouldn't this be seen as a mere assertion or just special pleading?

"Everything was created except this one special thing that I like to think wasn't created" simply isn't good enough.

aside from what DS has said, what do you mean by isn't good enough? Do you mean isn't convenient for you? As I have said, someBEING, must have been self-existent, uncaused, that gave rise to the universe we see around us, its not what I like to think, its what is obvious and implied and ascertained from observation of our known world.

texanomaly: I'm curious. Name three such uncaused things.

I take the creator to be the only uncaused ma'am. I meant that the nature of the universe implies its creator$

plaetton: Believe me sir, You are in no position whatsoever to define christianity for the catholic.
Everything , I mean everything you think you know about christianity came from the Roman catholic church.
So no matter how many fragments, no matte how many twists that are given to Christianity, The Catholic church is the mother church and the bona fide definer of what christianity is.

Whether all your treasured little beliefs are true or fiction, they know it, and you don't.

nonsense.

Excuse me.

thehomer: Don't worry, I'll take it seriously. It isn't scary to me, it is simply incoherent to me because minds generally require bodies. Unless you're able to demonstrate a mind without a body, or explain how it can happen, I see no reason to accept that premise.

Is everything demonstrable? Is everything physical? Is man entirely physical? Is consciousness physical? Can consciousness be proved by your material scientific laws?

thehomer: You still don't get it. Why should nothing be the default state? I'm actually on better grounds with saying that something is the default state. Especially when you can't demonstrate nothingness.

this is where it starts. Nihilistic thinking I think. We'll start trying to define nothingness as something and something as nothing and end up having headaches.

thehomer: A change of state had to be preceded. e.g what causes a block of ice to melt when left on a table? You'll notice that your answer doesn't require some sort of person doing anything.

yes, what causes temperature and pressure differences that cause the particles to be further energized? What causes the cause of these differences, and the cause of the cause of this differences? What set this laws and established these effects as natural order? Why are we not in infinite randomness and why are the electric impulses in our brains directed and how are we able to think?
We land at the end of all things, and the beginning of all things; we arrive at the vastness of a creator.

Mr Troll: The amount of times Josh mentions Reality in his posts sha...

Reality, Real People, Evident in our lives....

yep. I've suffered enough, and I've seen people suffer at the hands of fake people and preachers and delusional fantasies, and I understand why people will will be skeptical, because of what they have suffered. But I always try to announce that the real deal is here; and we will stand for Christ. No matter what, we will not exploit others, but we will love like Christ loves and reprimand and rebuke and correct like Christ does.

The world needs to be shaken out of its cocoon of fakes by real people who walk in the reality of Gods word. Witnesses.

Time will bear witness.

cyrexx: So you believe that something or someone can be uncaused?

yes. Don't you believe it too?

Not just that I believe, the state and nature of this universe screams that fact to us.

I don't know about this story, but I do know that I was in Plateau state some months ago and we received a missionary from iraq. He spoke to us and we encouraged him, he told us that some of the islamic heads were receiving visions of Jesus Christ.
This man is has a wife and children and runs a mission there.

People live and die and go to hell because of their sins. Jesus has the solution. He is the way.


Let us always tell people the good news of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. One will not get to heaven through good works. The wages of sin is death. One cannot bribe God. No matter the "good" we have done, there will always be a bad, and we will be condemned. God is a just judge. Our bribes of good works cannot get us to heaven. Only trust in his substitution and mercy and grace can. Repentance is available through Christ Jesus.

rationalmind: Lol, somehow, non-consciousness gave rise to a conscious creator(or should I say cause).

the creator is uncaused. Or else he is not the creator. Simple logic. Think.

Merry Christmas.

texanomaly: awww...you missed a rhyming opportunity Josh...come on? smh

Drat! How could I have missed that?! Smh.

[quote author=frank3.16]thanks man for ur concern. but honestly i wasnt angry at a being that i think didnt exist. i was angry that i stopped trusting in me and was trusting in something external. come to think of it, no one has ever seen god. how he looks like, how he talks, how he operates it just in our mind. he is our mind, he is us. all i had to do was look within. all these while i was angry at God, i was angry at myself but i failed to realize it.

he is not calling me anything rather i am calling myself to me. i am asking myself to start taking responsibility for my actions. i was angry at the pastor and others for trying to decieve me and stop being in charge of myself.

trust me a kind God(that lives outside me) will never allow evil things to happen to me if he loves me the way u talk. nothing happens for anyother reason apart from learning. i stand for myself now. and this is my salvation.

have a lovely christmas[/quote]you're welcome. Merry christmas.

aManFromMars: You never chop space goat before, na why

https://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/111/5/9/space_goat_by_satyricart-d3ehrkj.jpg

rationalmind: going by all the intellectual suicides you've committed on this thread alone, I'm glad you consider me an ignorant and lazy thinker.

I would had wept had you considered me an informed and a great thinker

aManFromMars: ..
Like receiving compliments from a mad man.. Josh should put his brain in a hamper and gift a lizard or something this xmas.

Abeg I shoulda known better than taking you guys seriously. When you begin to make impact other than shouting about distant bonobo cousins and you coming from randomness, I'll donate my brain. Until then, real people will continue to gaze at the universe and call upon the name of its creator.
A blind man would not respond to beauty or light, he needs an operation, a surgery to correct his state.

Mr Troll: @kay, I swear you de try. I seriously do not have the patience for such nonsense. See somebody boldly making circular arguments over and over again yet you continue to engage him. Kudos, your bullshit tolerance is high.

How long can I talk to a stick?

rationalmind: Same with me. I had to ex the argument a long time ago.

same old ignorant and lazy thinkers who have to speak inflating words to make themselves feel good. You have no excuse you know.



Welldone! More grease to your elbow abeg.

aManFromMars: Just roast one goat on my behalf.

dem dey chop goat for mars?

Your martian digestive system fit digest goat meat?

thehomer: Careful now. The problem is that by "cause", you generally mean that someone maybe spoke the universe into existence or imagined it into existence. Would say a change of state from something to the universe that didn't need some mind directing things count as a cause to you?

cause/kôz/
Noun:
A person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition
Verb:
Make (something) happen


I believe you see enough to realize that a change of state had to be caused. Non-consciousness cannot give rise to consciousness, even in the smallest degree.

aManFromMars: hehehehe

Its christmas eve.

Merry christmas MFM.

I'll be sure to send you an intergalactic compressed protable blackhole to deal with all your...ermmm... Whatever you want to deal with. Have a wonderful celebration.

Very nice. I don't use android however, I use blackberry, but I'll get someone to download and rate it for you. Sorry for the late response.

[quote author=frank3.16]now this makes sense but then i found out that i was or am wasting my time. yes, a lot of things does not make sense and Christianity has not helped me in any way to make sense of them instead, it makes things worst.

calling me? well, he should have allowed things to go this far, he should do more than calling me softly and indirectly, i really cant hear him loud enough.

i have tried to see things from a different perspective recently but honestly it only gets worst.

he wont force me? lol, i believe if he could, he would, trust me.




there was a reason i have to throw this dream out to the public. the anger i felt in the dream was immerse and real. when i was walking out of the church, i could feel the eyes of the congregation following me out. i was cursing and walking away. i was plain angry.

the direction of this dream was different. the watch in the dream was expensive, i was angry.

but wait... couldnt the church be just a representation of my unhappy state before i went to bed? the night was hot and uncomfortable. i slept wit a worried feeling that i didnt acheive much this year with Christmas by the corner. trust me i went to bed unhappy.

lets say i feel comfortable with me seeing the dream as me 'walking away from all the troubles in my life', thank go i left with my expensive wristwatch, which means i still had something to hold unto. yes, the church environment represented my problems, the pastor and the dude who pinched me were bent on pulling me back. this got me angry but it gave me the strength to angrily pull away and walk away. I AM FREE

thanks everyone. i feel better now[/quote]look critically at your post frank. Don't let anger becloud your judgements.

You speak of God as a real person, reaching out for you. Don't let that dream be fulfilled frank. Don't walk away from God.

Ask yourself why you're angry at a being you don't believe exists?

Think frank. Look at your past and project your future.

Some adverse circumstances may have happened in the past mehn, but God restores, God heals, Jesus saves. He loves you and died for you. Take it personal as he reaches personally to you. Do not let this dream stand against you frank. Stand for God. Stand for life. Stand for purpose in Christ. And stand in the peace and love and compassion that Christ gives us.

God bless you frank.
I'll pray for you.

Merry Christmas.

I wish above all things that you'll find Christ and celebrate him. Find peace and salvation from sin.

[quote author=Mynd_44]he was unbanned before you first complained na[/quote]I was banned again!

This is a record. Banned twice in ten minutes, an all time high.

Phew! Thanks mynd and ishi. Chei. Which kind of devlish spambot is this? Smh.

I understand your points mynd, and they are true. I will be lying if I say there is no active demeaning and insulting going on around here. We all know you're more than capable to handle that

But please do not misplace our vehemence and curtness with demeaning and insults.
We trust you as a good mod to make just decisions based on that and listen to our feedback too.


Thanks. Merry Christmas.

[quote author=Mynd_44]Sorry, you were banned by the spambot[/quote]thanks. Lol. You're fast. You unbanned me before I even complained. Chai. Thank you very much sir.

You'll make a good mod once you get used to this section and its hotness. Once again, more grease to your shoulder.

Merry Christmas.

I believe you know the interpretation frank.

[quote author=Mynd_44]And I miss the point where you have to insult to pass your point across. I did not make the rules, I follow em. You think atheists are wrong for not believing and they think same of you. You must learn to be civil to change people. Christ teaches you to show love and at a point he told you " if you go to a place and the reject you, dust the sand off your feet and move on".

You remember that "bY faith man believes but by mouth, confession is made unto righteousness" you can't make a man have faith by forcing him and cursing him, it makes him hardened and hates you more and so he will hit back at your religion.

You will do well to realise this[/quote]I did not say I insult them. I do not affront or demean them. I only show them the lowness of their world view. And I do not hound them. I use hard and heavy words, not to insult, but to get attention.

If anything, the bible deals the hardest blow to them, dismissing them as fools with barely a verse.
Jesus and John the baptists and the prophets in the bible were not always civil.

Yes. We should be punished when we intend to demean and insult others personalities, which will be easily discernible by you, but we might not always be civil, we might be hard and straightforward.


Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!...
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides,...
17 Ye fools and blind:... 19 Ye fools and blind:...25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!...
26 Thou blind Pharisee,
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 3:7 he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

One can't always be polite when preaching. Sometimes one must be vehement.


Ban us for the right reasons sir. Not for exchanging our religious or irreligious sentiments in vehemence and curtness.

^^^

its nice to see both of you getting along.

^^^

Omo! Guy, I go hard ooo

I just started the video before I looked and saw it was over an hour! Chei.


Na so I run comot ooo.
I no get 1 hour abeg.

I agree with part of what you're saying, but not all.

Ishilove: EDITED

Mynd, seriously there is a problem. I will not make any comparisons to previous mods because you all have different your different styles but this style of yours is too heavy handed for a 'hot' section like this.

This is not the literature section where we have kids and syntax murdering wannabe writers. This section is unique, so you should have taken time to understand the dynamics before coming out Rambo style to start banning, hiding, deleting and what not. I am not saying offenders shouldn't be sanctioned. Rather, be fair, balanced and tactful when you address users' complaints. You just told Divepen 'to stop disturbing'. That is very rude, Mynd. RUDE.

Modding isn't easy because I have a few as friends, however, it is no license to go about it the way you are.

I support this. Respectfully mynd, you can't use that kind of force on a section like this, you'll only get frustrated by alpha coming with different ids. This section is full of strong words, not necessarily meant to insult directly and demean, but to cause others to be at attention and think( mostly at times). If you go on like this, you'll have to ban me till 2397 because I will always show atheists the foolishness and blindness of atheism and use strong words to get their attention; words like pathetic and foolish and stupidity.
This is the religion section after all, where people try to explain life and God, or unexplain him. The man with the best words wins.

You banning us for using words like foolish etc would be equivalent to crushing our spirits.(I admit that some intents of insults should be reported and dealt with, but you'll be able to notice the difference)

We can all work together to bring about harmony(the kind we see here shaa)


Merry Christmas